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hairylegs 13 points ago +13 / -0

Exactly! Unconstitutional "orders" are not laws by definition. I'm curious to know if people being arrested are going to be tried by jury and for what violations of what specific laws.

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yukondave 2 points ago +2 / -0

they are being tried and judges are tossing them in jail. And people are pulling together fights and appeals to go up the ladder. And in 5 years the Supreme Court may actually hear the case.

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Oktheone -7 points ago +1 / -8

The bill of rights apply to the federal government only

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still-at-work 4 points ago +4 / -0

No it doesn't, it has supremacy over state constitution as well (many court cases confirm this) but it is a moot point since state constitutions have a similar right as well.

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Oktheone 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes the national courts rule in favor of giving themselves power.. that is why the states must keep the federal government in check.

Ever heard of the 10th amendment?

Supremacy clause is for the powers the federal government was granted from the states.. which were not that many.

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brother_red 1 point ago +1 / -0

Originally, you are correct.

Let me introduce the Doctrine of Incorporation to you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

Note that the 2nd Amendment was only recently incorporated to the States in 2010.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._City_of_Chicago

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Oktheone 0 points ago +1 / -1

The incorporation doctrine is fictional power grab. The federal (now national) government had now power to do so.. they just did it. And now we accept.
That is very unamerican of you. Thomas Jefferson would flip out.

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brother_red 1 point ago +1 / -0

So, since the BOR originally DID only apply to the new Federal Government, and we all agree that the BOR is a good thing, why would you be against those protections extending down to the State level, especially for those States that restrict certain rights? (Cali/Guns...)