The fact I am a medical professional. There really is no other reason that being high risk of catching it and then spreading it. Same with the Hep B and Flu shot.
Obviously if it's like that shitty 2014 or 2017 batch of flu vaccine might as well not, but if it has at least 80% efficacy I'll be in that line like a good little soy boy.
Would I have taken vaccines 100 years ago? Probably. Would I take one after the science community and the world leaders have decided to make a full court press for world government and depopulation? Nah. I’ll take my chances with the virus.
I'm not taking it either. I don't think flu vaccines are worth a damn. But I was also in heathcare for a while, and they can make it hard for you if you won't take vaccines. One place I worked at, I worked with an anit-vaxxer (which is fine with me, I don't have strong opinions one way or the other on that)... they told that person it was required and they would HAVE to get vaxxed to work. The employee put up a big stink, took it 2 managers up the chain, and finally was allowed to sign a waiver. Then HR put that employee on permanent night shift and gave them the worst schedule possible... and summarily passed them up for a promotion.
When I was in healthcare, I took the basic vaccines, TB and HEP, and have no problem with that because I was given one shot at a time, and because I really don't want to get Hep from an accidental needle-stick, or get TB from some weird immigrant. I'm very wary of them, but I'll take them for a good reason, if I feel like the benefits outweigh the risk.
No, the job can't require it because of first amendment stuff. You know religious doctors do exist and they can get an exemption. As a proud Rastafarian I have a personal note from Ahma Selassie Jr saying I don't need no vaccines, just in case anyone tries to make me do something.
But I have nothing against them. I get the argument against mandating vaccines but I find it silly people worry about them so much. They are literally so safe that whenever something goes wrong with em you get headline news like when the UN was giving everyone polio with type 2 vaccines (they used drop vaccines with live attenuated viruses instead of the standard injection with inactivated virus).
People freaking out about mercury back in the 2012s and other stuff should look up how much toxic metals are in tuna.
bro im not a huge anti vaxxer or anything but i seriously doubt any of the REAL issues with vaccines have made headline news, anywhere, ever.
I used to be the kind of person who didn't question vaccines at all. Anti-vaxxers look crazy i thought.. why would i wanna go there? well, now I am the father of a 4 year old boy who is diagnosed with autism and apraxia of speech and that has made me look into things a little bit more and keep an open mind with these things.
My son, when he was maybe 7 or 8 months old, was hit with 6 vaccines/medications/whatever you wanna call them, in a period of about 13 seconds and they were all part of the typical schedule of immunizations for healthy children. There were 2 nurses and they each had 3 syringes in their hand and on the count of three they began injecting the vaccines as quickly as possible.. 3 in one leg and 3 in the other. I can't believe I let it happen based on the trauma to my son alone bc he obviously flipped the fuck out, but I REALLY was ashamed that I didn't think of the possible damage it could do to his development. as I left i was thinking.. "holy shit, the amount of medication in this baby's bloodstream right now has to be alarming just based on the ratio of foreign substances vs. his blood" and I didn't even wanna dwell on the real issue.. how would his little body react to all of those foreign substances rushing his infant immune system? what if there was an allergy? a negative interaction between the combination of 6 different drugs? seizures? long term damage? who knows?? no one knows for sure.
is there anyone here that can honestly say they believe its safe for a 20 pound baby to receive 6 shots simultaneously for the purpose of immunization? those of you who do think its safe, would you allow the same thing to happen to your kid? its the last time it will happen to one of mine, as I will be much more diligent in ensuring that I know what is going in his body. Hell, they even tried to administer two vaccinations that he had just gotten at the last appointment and from looking at the ingredients of these vaccines and the amount contained vs the amount considered to be hazardous in situations outside of vaccination i really don't want to give my children that medication once, definitely not twice.
Either way, its bad to just outright reject all vaccines and its bad to outright accept all vaccines. Do your own personal research and decide what is best for you and your family. Everyone is different and should be treated accordingly so we need to get away from a "vaccine schedule" imo.
There is no link between autism and vaccines. Given the gigantic amount of children vaccinated all over the world we would see massive spikes in linked developmental disorders we just don't see. The research often cited is either lacking, shows no significant results or in the case of the specific UK doctor that became a big deal was actually funded by a vaccine competitor trying to corner the market for THEIR vaccine.
Even then we know the mortality associated with these disease far outweigh even the anti-vaxxer claims of autism and other promoted side effects. It used to be 1 in 11 children died. We've reduced that with anti-virals to 1 in 26 but think about that. 1 in 26 dead vs one in million of "vaccine induced autism" which I would highly dispute as an autistic child who got vaccines and the parents blaming the vaccines instead of their child being born autistic as it is not an acquired condition.
But hey good news! 95% of people are still getting vaccinated. So we have herd immunity. Even if you decide that the 1 in 26 mortality of measles (and we aren't even talking the other diseases) sounds better than the purported rate of autism induction from basic human immunization, you are still less likely to actually have to be confronted with that possibility because there is no easy vector for the disease.
So get your vaccines if you want, don't get em if you don't want to. Like I said, there have been HUGE fuck ups like the type 2 polio that was both a cost saving effort and a "muslims hate needles" combination of factors.
that immune hyper-stimulation does not happen when taking the equivalent orally.
What do you even mean with hyper stimulated? It is just regular immune processes at work. Do you mean you are stimulated with the mercury? That's not why it was in there, it was to stop bacterial growth until 2001 when it was removed. Or did you mean that the immune system reacts to the mercury? What do you think surrounds your guts? A gigantic patchwork of immune cell clusters whose sole job it is to constantly screen for pathogens and foreign substances in the food you eat. The gut is a gigantic network that is specifically designed to filter anything that comes in and scan it for diseases.
Including any mercury which you do absorb and in higher quantities than present in any vaccine, we are talking 2-5 ml vaccines vs 80 grams of Tuna. Which is why some companies literally develop rectal vaccines cause it works just as well as the injection, people are just weird about their buts unless they are mussies who like it up the butt cause they hate needles. Cause the gut creates the same immune reaction. All the while each can of tuna you eat is giving you more mercury and aluminium and lead and micro plastic particles than you could ever dream off!
Now why do we use those 3 aluminium compounds? So we need LESS vaccine! Yes the aluminium is the adjuvant. Just like Zinc, remember how everyone on here has been talking about the HCQ + Zinc? Yeah aluminium is just another metal that helps the immune system out. Like Zinc. In fact do you eat chocolate? They add aluminum to it for FLAVOR ENHANCEMENT... about 50 times the amount in the vaccine.
But here's the funny thing. I said do whatever you want. You're wrong, but why do you care about that? The things you believe not being true shouldn't matter to you if you actually believe them. I don't care.
There are estimations based on flu strains that are prevalent, mutation patterns in recent cases, there is data from deployment in the Southern hemisphere too and lots of other factors. But you never know for sure until it hits.
Difference is if it works and I don't get it, great! If it doesn't work and I get the strain of the flu that they didn't anticipate there's nothing we can do anyway about it. It's a win-even situation.
No in the case of corona virus herd immunity is reached at 50% based on the fact that R0 is low for corona virus. If we were dealing with measles with an R0 of 12 we'd need >90%. But because Corona virus is far less infectious we reach herd immunity at 50% IF the vaccine actually works properly (>95% efficacy).
i get it that people want to know what are in the vaccines before they inject them into their bodies. what i don't get is the hysterical mania against all forms of vaccination that i'm seeing from some people. do you want a resurgence of polio? 🤔
exactly. i dont usually get those annual flu vaccinations. i eat right and take vitamins. i trust my immune system. rarely do i ever get sick. but that's practicing good hygiene and washing hands, even before this China Flu escaped.
They cant and I will personally refuse to administer a vaccine against a person's express desire in that case. But there even now exist exemptions on religious and ideological grounds for vaccination.
We have immuno compromised people who SHOULDN'T be vaccinated, which is why I am GREATLY against the CDC's at birth recommendation for Hep B vaccination. Fucking test the kid first to see if it can even handle it.
But I never say never when it comes to places like Commiefornia.
I think we need to just stop treating it like a black and white issue.
Not all vaccines are created equal. Stifling conversation about vaccines isn't going to help people figure out what they think on the issue. It's just going to polarize peoples opinions.
The only reason the antivax "crap" is a thing, is because vaccine researchers and manufacturers are not transparent.
No it depends on the R0 of a virus. You can calculate it using a formula. Corona virus was at a R0 of 2 to 2.5 before the social distancing. If we used a 100% effective vaccine with half of the people immunized it wouldn't be possible for it to spread anymore because every other person you run into is immune.
So the target coverage for Wu Flu immunity is 50% of the population AT LEAST!
With measles you are dealing with an R0 of 12! That's why you need 90% coverage to stop measles. Because it is so virulent that you and the 12 people in the room will be infected instead of just the 1-2 other people with Wu Flu.
The estimated. Remember the R0 of flu is below 2. Corona is basically flu on steroids, so an R0 of 2-3 isn't abnormal or out of expectations.
It is largely based on the method transmission which is why measles has R12 because it's actually airborne, as in it doesn't ride the droplets in your breath, but dust particles in the air. That can travel over 50 feet!
So R0 of 2 where on average 1 person gets 2 other people sick seems about right for Corona. R10 would be near measles where it's fully airborne and just sweeping through the population.
I actually advocated an alternate solution which is like Chicken pox parties. Where we'd get everyone under the age of 40 with no health conditions. Infect em all with their consent and then we just prescribe medication from the start to reduce mortality. We'd have herd immunity by the end of the month.
Of course this involves voluntarily getting people sick and there would be deaths (<1%). But we'd literally beat the virus into submission at a lower cost than currently with Cuomo shipping corona patients into nursing homes.
No, you have to take into account all the people who have already gotten it without significant symptoms and have antibodies already. They don't need to be vaccinated, but they won't get it or spread it.
It's becoming more and more clear that the "invisible enemy" is more correctly named the "non-existent enemy".
It's the fucking flu! .. it's like every other flu.
The lock-down of free people by tyrants, and the mad rush of grifters to profit off misery, are the only things that make this flu different from all the others.
kesquare2 is a pro-WuFlu vaccine troll and I suspect also a Leftist troll. He's just a little better at covering than most of them, but he can't help himself. Check out his comment history. He doesn't even use the same vernacular we use. He's likely posting from a line waiting to be injected with whatever piles of crap they put into Bill Gates' vaccine.
I had it five weeks ago. It sucked. Worst cold I have ever had by far. Lasted 9 days. With 4 really terrible and the rest like the flu.
Luckily I rode it out at home but I can completely see how it is killing people. I am relitivly young and in OK shape and I seriously considered going to the hospital one night because I thought I was going die. I was not able to breathe and my ears felt like someone was stabbing them with sewing needles.
I tested positive at the time but oddly did not test positive for the antibodies two weeks ago.
I am actually still coughing even after 5 weeks from a secondary infection it caused.
I think that a lot of the reaction is too much but the virus itself is not a joke. NYC metro area.
Nope. Liberals have been telling us we desperately needed them and didn’t have enough and were running about and had already run out. That doesn’t change within the span of a month.
India is a truly ally. Their PM Modi is conservative and doesn't give in to SJWs. We need real allies like India, not giving away our wealth to China because a few politicians get bonuses.
They don't need the ventilators. India uses Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic unlike NY which banned it for most people unless there were just about dead anyway. Their death rate is 2 in 1 million, 700 times less than NY. 13 times more people have died in NY than India which has 50 times more people. people.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Even then they have a billion people, that's a lot of deaths and most of their hospitals are horrendous.
But I don't think POTUS is just randomly sending them ventilators. They put in the request and POTUS answered. Maybe it's just a shit test from them like "let's see if they actually do what they promised they'd do".
could just be a sign of goodwill or good optics. i heard the same about ventilators not being as useful as once believed for this virus, but i am sure indian hospitals could use them for other things.
Ventilators are extremely tough on the lungs and their longterm consequences are well-known. They're only supposed to be used in very rare circumstances because you're likely to affect that patient for life.
You generally get on a ventilator to give you more time alive. Alive with damaged lungs is better than dead but I don't see the benefit for damaging damaged lungs
Um, fuck the vaccine. As much as I love Trump, no god damn government is gonna prick me with a needle. Especially a government that is working so hard against our president. It sort of boggles my mind the President's faith in such a thing.
Why do we need a vaccine for something that doesn't threaten our lives or long term health in the majority of cases? Even moreso when we have a treatment that is highly effective, widely available, and proven safe over the course of 40 years due to its successful use as a malaria drug?
I get sick of the time and money wasted while we sit back and wait for the perfect opportunity to actually fight back against the democrats, who pull no punches and haven't since day 1. I'm not saying stoop to their level, but don't let them flick your ear constantly without opposition.
Trump knows India will be a great ally and neither of us are too fond of China. India has the 2nd (soon to be 1st) highest population in the world. That means a lot of soldiers. And a lot of weapons sales.
It's cheaper to import than manufacture here. Manufacturing is expanding here, I'm a technician and seeing more and more messages on LinkedIn from recruiters. Many have explicitly told me the boom started because of trust in Trump.
I got out of the navy in 08 and couldn't find any real employment. In December 2016 I started getting calls and flown around the country for interviews.
I've made more money during trump's 1st term than I did in the entirety of Obamas 2 terms
It's cheaper to import than manufacture here. Manufacturing is expanding here, I'm a technician and seeing more and more messages on LinkedIn from recruiters. Many have explicitly told me the boom started because of trust in Trump.
I got out of the navy in 08 and couldn't find any real employment. In December 2016 I started getting calls and flown around the country for interviews.
I've made more money during trump's 1st term than I did in the entirety of Obamas 2 terms
Trump I love you and I'm voting for you no matter what over Biden, but you're starting to lose me with this vaccine and pandemic shit. Not lose my vote, but losing my enthusiasm.
Zero chance he mandates them. But developing a vaccine is not a bad thing. If people want to get one let them. If you don't, don't. Just like the flu vaccine.
Exactly...I don't understand why posters on this site keep bringing that up. Don't they realize it would be political suicide on Trump's part? Not to mention that no other vaccines are mandated for anything else; why would this be any different? RIP btw Kenny miss ya bud
They don't need them. India uses Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic unlike NY which banned it for most people unless there were just about dead anyway. Their death rate is 2 in 1 million, 700 times less than NY. 13 times more people have died in NY than India which has 50 times more people. people.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Where have you been the last few months? People have been harping on this topic a lot lol Outsourcing has been going on for many years, including pharma.
Now that china is in the crosshairs, we have to find alternatives until production is established domestically.
Dude. The vast majority of the US are "normies" he's not going to try to force feed them all red pills like some shitposting autist. He actually has things to accomplish.
If you can’t even trust the government to not poison the water supply then you shouldn’t trust them not to be screwy with the vaccine either. Who knows what they’ll put in that thing? If it does end up giving immunity to the nothingburger virus then I’ll just view that as a positive side effect.
India is not fren. They are destroying our infrastructure projects with shit outsources/insourcing. Crucial engineering and design projects are handed over en masse to cheap indian labor at the expense of american people.
A big no on that vaccine order.
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You don't need to get it. Just 50% of the population = herd immunity for Wu Flu.
So let all the Dims get their mandatory vaccines and BOOM! You're now "herd immune".
PS: I will be getting the vaccine voluntarily
The fact I am a medical professional. There really is no other reason that being high risk of catching it and then spreading it. Same with the Hep B and Flu shot.
Obviously if it's like that shitty 2014 or 2017 batch of flu vaccine might as well not, but if it has at least 80% efficacy I'll be in that line like a good little soy boy.
Do I trust vaccines? Certainly.
I don't trust Bill Gates, especially after what he had done to kids in South Africa. It was like the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment all over again.
Would I have taken vaccines 100 years ago? Probably. Would I take one after the science community and the world leaders have decided to make a full court press for world government and depopulation? Nah. I’ll take my chances with the virus.
Well they were tested on those people so you don't need to worry as much. Rofl
Well as long as Bill Gates isn't involved.
I'm not taking it either. I don't think flu vaccines are worth a damn. But I was also in heathcare for a while, and they can make it hard for you if you won't take vaccines. One place I worked at, I worked with an anit-vaxxer (which is fine with me, I don't have strong opinions one way or the other on that)... they told that person it was required and they would HAVE to get vaxxed to work. The employee put up a big stink, took it 2 managers up the chain, and finally was allowed to sign a waiver. Then HR put that employee on permanent night shift and gave them the worst schedule possible... and summarily passed them up for a promotion.
When I was in healthcare, I took the basic vaccines, TB and HEP, and have no problem with that because I was given one shot at a time, and because I really don't want to get Hep from an accidental needle-stick, or get TB from some weird immigrant. I'm very wary of them, but I'll take them for a good reason, if I feel like the benefits outweigh the risk.
I'm not an anti vaxxer, but I am anti coronavirus "vaccine". I just don't trust that there won't be a whole host of nasty ingredients/
Plus I bet your job will require it unless there is a contraindication.
No, the job can't require it because of first amendment stuff. You know religious doctors do exist and they can get an exemption. As a proud Rastafarian I have a personal note from Ahma Selassie Jr saying I don't need no vaccines, just in case anyone tries to make me do something.
But I have nothing against them. I get the argument against mandating vaccines but I find it silly people worry about them so much. They are literally so safe that whenever something goes wrong with em you get headline news like when the UN was giving everyone polio with type 2 vaccines (they used drop vaccines with live attenuated viruses instead of the standard injection with inactivated virus).
People freaking out about mercury back in the 2012s and other stuff should look up how much toxic metals are in tuna.
bro im not a huge anti vaxxer or anything but i seriously doubt any of the REAL issues with vaccines have made headline news, anywhere, ever.
I used to be the kind of person who didn't question vaccines at all. Anti-vaxxers look crazy i thought.. why would i wanna go there? well, now I am the father of a 4 year old boy who is diagnosed with autism and apraxia of speech and that has made me look into things a little bit more and keep an open mind with these things.
My son, when he was maybe 7 or 8 months old, was hit with 6 vaccines/medications/whatever you wanna call them, in a period of about 13 seconds and they were all part of the typical schedule of immunizations for healthy children. There were 2 nurses and they each had 3 syringes in their hand and on the count of three they began injecting the vaccines as quickly as possible.. 3 in one leg and 3 in the other. I can't believe I let it happen based on the trauma to my son alone bc he obviously flipped the fuck out, but I REALLY was ashamed that I didn't think of the possible damage it could do to his development. as I left i was thinking.. "holy shit, the amount of medication in this baby's bloodstream right now has to be alarming just based on the ratio of foreign substances vs. his blood" and I didn't even wanna dwell on the real issue.. how would his little body react to all of those foreign substances rushing his infant immune system? what if there was an allergy? a negative interaction between the combination of 6 different drugs? seizures? long term damage? who knows?? no one knows for sure.
is there anyone here that can honestly say they believe its safe for a 20 pound baby to receive 6 shots simultaneously for the purpose of immunization? those of you who do think its safe, would you allow the same thing to happen to your kid? its the last time it will happen to one of mine, as I will be much more diligent in ensuring that I know what is going in his body. Hell, they even tried to administer two vaccinations that he had just gotten at the last appointment and from looking at the ingredients of these vaccines and the amount contained vs the amount considered to be hazardous in situations outside of vaccination i really don't want to give my children that medication once, definitely not twice.
Either way, its bad to just outright reject all vaccines and its bad to outright accept all vaccines. Do your own personal research and decide what is best for you and your family. Everyone is different and should be treated accordingly so we need to get away from a "vaccine schedule" imo.
Our first child had seizures after it. We forced the doctor to break up all the shots over time. They looked at us like we were anti science retards.
Fuck doctors and nurses. They do what the institutions tell them to do. Every one out of 100 not willing to be a robot faces penalties.
There is no link between autism and vaccines. Given the gigantic amount of children vaccinated all over the world we would see massive spikes in linked developmental disorders we just don't see. The research often cited is either lacking, shows no significant results or in the case of the specific UK doctor that became a big deal was actually funded by a vaccine competitor trying to corner the market for THEIR vaccine.
Even then we know the mortality associated with these disease far outweigh even the anti-vaxxer claims of autism and other promoted side effects. It used to be 1 in 11 children died. We've reduced that with anti-virals to 1 in 26 but think about that. 1 in 26 dead vs one in million of "vaccine induced autism" which I would highly dispute as an autistic child who got vaccines and the parents blaming the vaccines instead of their child being born autistic as it is not an acquired condition.
But hey good news! 95% of people are still getting vaccinated. So we have herd immunity. Even if you decide that the 1 in 26 mortality of measles (and we aren't even talking the other diseases) sounds better than the purported rate of autism induction from basic human immunization, you are still less likely to actually have to be confronted with that possibility because there is no easy vector for the disease.
So get your vaccines if you want, don't get em if you don't want to. Like I said, there have been HUGE fuck ups like the type 2 polio that was both a cost saving effort and a "muslims hate needles" combination of factors.
DONT FUCKING GET ME STARTED ON CANNED TUNA.
What do you even mean with hyper stimulated? It is just regular immune processes at work. Do you mean you are stimulated with the mercury? That's not why it was in there, it was to stop bacterial growth until 2001 when it was removed. Or did you mean that the immune system reacts to the mercury? What do you think surrounds your guts? A gigantic patchwork of immune cell clusters whose sole job it is to constantly screen for pathogens and foreign substances in the food you eat. The gut is a gigantic network that is specifically designed to filter anything that comes in and scan it for diseases.
Including any mercury which you do absorb and in higher quantities than present in any vaccine, we are talking 2-5 ml vaccines vs 80 grams of Tuna. Which is why some companies literally develop rectal vaccines cause it works just as well as the injection, people are just weird about their buts unless they are mussies who like it up the butt cause they hate needles. Cause the gut creates the same immune reaction. All the while each can of tuna you eat is giving you more mercury and aluminium and lead and micro plastic particles than you could ever dream off!
Now why do we use those 3 aluminium compounds? So we need LESS vaccine! Yes the aluminium is the adjuvant. Just like Zinc, remember how everyone on here has been talking about the HCQ + Zinc? Yeah aluminium is just another metal that helps the immune system out. Like Zinc. In fact do you eat chocolate? They add aluminum to it for FLAVOR ENHANCEMENT... about 50 times the amount in the vaccine.
But here's the funny thing. I said do whatever you want. You're wrong, but why do you care about that? The things you believe not being true shouldn't matter to you if you actually believe them. I don't care.
Don't get vaccinated. It's your choice.
how do you know if a flu batch is good or not until after the fact?
There are estimations based on flu strains that are prevalent, mutation patterns in recent cases, there is data from deployment in the Southern hemisphere too and lots of other factors. But you never know for sure until it hits.
Difference is if it works and I don't get it, great! If it doesn't work and I get the strain of the flu that they didn't anticipate there's nothing we can do anyway about it. It's a win-even situation.
You say you're a medical professional but think that herd immunity is only 50 percent of the population? Yeah, sure ok
No in the case of corona virus herd immunity is reached at 50% based on the fact that R0 is low for corona virus. If we were dealing with measles with an R0 of 12 we'd need >90%. But because Corona virus is far less infectious we reach herd immunity at 50% IF the vaccine actually works properly (>95% efficacy).
i get it that people want to know what are in the vaccines before they inject them into their bodies. what i don't get is the hysterical mania against all forms of vaccination that i'm seeing from some people. do you want a resurgence of polio? 🤔
exactly. i dont usually get those annual flu vaccinations. i eat right and take vitamins. i trust my immune system. rarely do i ever get sick. but that's practicing good hygiene and washing hands, even before this China Flu escaped.
That won't work for me .. I avoid democrats like the plague.
They cant and I will personally refuse to administer a vaccine against a person's express desire in that case. But there even now exist exemptions on religious and ideological grounds for vaccination.
We have immuno compromised people who SHOULDN'T be vaccinated, which is why I am GREATLY against the CDC's at birth recommendation for Hep B vaccination. Fucking test the kid first to see if it can even handle it.
But I never say never when it comes to places like Commiefornia.
You don't administer vaccines anyway
Sure buddy. Now go back to the retard room. Your spit is getting all over the floor.
Tell me why you will be getting the vaccine voluntarily?
I am not anti-vax and we typically get our vaccines, but I am curious why you will trust one rapidly developed?
We never bother with flu shots, but all the other stuff we do get.
I answered in another post, work in the medical field. I don't want to risk getting it nor be a vector for spread.
I don't like the flu shots either but I still get em just in the chance they aren't crap this year and I can protect patients from spreading it to em.
It hasn't tho...
I think we need to just stop treating it like a black and white issue.
Not all vaccines are created equal. Stifling conversation about vaccines isn't going to help people figure out what they think on the issue. It's just going to polarize peoples opinions.
The only reason the antivax "crap" is a thing, is because vaccine researchers and manufacturers are not transparent.
The reason antivaxxers exist is because they are retarded
Skepticism of a medicine is not being anti-vaxx.
No it depends on the R0 of a virus. You can calculate it using a formula. Corona virus was at a R0 of 2 to 2.5 before the social distancing. If we used a 100% effective vaccine with half of the people immunized it wouldn't be possible for it to spread anymore because every other person you run into is immune.
So the target coverage for Wu Flu immunity is 50% of the population AT LEAST!
With measles you are dealing with an R0 of 12! That's why you need 90% coverage to stop measles. Because it is so virulent that you and the 12 people in the room will be infected instead of just the 1-2 other people with Wu Flu.
The estimated. Remember the R0 of flu is below 2. Corona is basically flu on steroids, so an R0 of 2-3 isn't abnormal or out of expectations.
It is largely based on the method transmission which is why measles has R12 because it's actually airborne, as in it doesn't ride the droplets in your breath, but dust particles in the air. That can travel over 50 feet!
So R0 of 2 where on average 1 person gets 2 other people sick seems about right for Corona. R10 would be near measles where it's fully airborne and just sweeping through the population.
I actually advocated an alternate solution which is like Chicken pox parties. Where we'd get everyone under the age of 40 with no health conditions. Infect em all with their consent and then we just prescribe medication from the start to reduce mortality. We'd have herd immunity by the end of the month.
Of course this involves voluntarily getting people sick and there would be deaths (<1%). But we'd literally beat the virus into submission at a lower cost than currently with Cuomo shipping corona patients into nursing homes.
No, you have to take into account all the people who have already gotten it without significant symptoms and have antibodies already. They don't need to be vaccinated, but they won't get it or spread it.
Exactly.
If he can get a non-Bill Gates affiliated vaccine in the works, he'd get A LOT more takers.
Make that a FUCK no for me, please.
It says vaccine development? Maybe their scientist are contributing information? I don't see this as we're ordering from them
It's becoming more and more clear that the "invisible enemy" is more correctly named the "non-existent enemy".
It's the fucking flu! .. it's like every other flu.
The lock-down of free people by tyrants, and the mad rush of grifters to profit off misery, are the only things that make this flu different from all the others.
Open the country!
I said it months ago, it's a flu, acts like a flu, spreads like a flu, the death rate is pretty much flu levels.
You want to know the secret as to why it's so high? Look at New York and the nursing homes. In fact, look at the nursing homes in most blue states.
Died from being crushed in a car accident? Well, you actually died from covid! Cancer? No no no... covid my dude!
time/place for what?
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It's not the flu. The severity and risk are similar but this is a coronavirus, not influenza
The enemy is China
Ok do you recommend crashing the greatest economy in the world over what is maybe a bit worse than the flu?
kesquare2 is a pro-WuFlu vaccine troll and I suspect also a Leftist troll. He's just a little better at covering than most of them, but he can't help himself. Check out his comment history. He doesn't even use the same vernacular we use. He's likely posting from a line waiting to be injected with whatever piles of crap they put into Bill Gates' vaccine.
I had it five weeks ago. It sucked. Worst cold I have ever had by far. Lasted 9 days. With 4 really terrible and the rest like the flu.
Luckily I rode it out at home but I can completely see how it is killing people. I am relitivly young and in OK shape and I seriously considered going to the hospital one night because I thought I was going die. I was not able to breathe and my ears felt like someone was stabbing them with sewing needles.
I tested positive at the time but oddly did not test positive for the antibodies two weeks ago.
I am actually still coughing even after 5 weeks from a secondary infection it caused.
I think that a lot of the reaction is too much but the virus itself is not a joke. NYC metro area.
wait wait wait.....
I THOUGHT LIBERALS WERE TELLING US WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH VENTILATORS! WE WERE RUNNING OUT OF VENTILATORS! PEOPLE ARE DYING WITHOUT VENTILATORS!!!!!
now we are donating them across the world? i am tired, damn sick and tired, of liberals and democrats lying to us.
Well that can be true a month ago and this can be true today. You get that right?
It wasn't true a month ago either
You do realize thats not the point, right?
It invalidates yours
no it doesn't, why are you here?
Nope. Liberals have been telling us we desperately needed them and didn’t have enough and were running about and had already run out. That doesn’t change within the span of a month.
It could've been true a month ago, but it wasn't.
India is a truly ally. Their PM Modi is conservative and doesn't give in to SJWs. We need real allies like India, not giving away our wealth to China because a few politicians get bonuses.
You help us. We help you.
Thank you for the HCQ India! Here are the vents we've got spare.
They don't need the ventilators. India uses Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic unlike NY which banned it for most people unless there were just about dead anyway. Their death rate is 2 in 1 million, 700 times less than NY. 13 times more people have died in NY than India which has 50 times more people. people.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Even then they have a billion people, that's a lot of deaths and most of their hospitals are horrendous.
But I don't think POTUS is just randomly sending them ventilators. They put in the request and POTUS answered. Maybe it's just a shit test from them like "let's see if they actually do what they promised they'd do".
No more bat soup, bring on the curry plz
Promises made, promises kept.
That's good. They gave us a lot of the Hydroxy medication, and treat our President and first Lady so well. 👍 Goodwill returned.
Do we hate India? Putting people on ventilators is the incorrect treatment method and has a higher death rate than other treatment options.
could just be a sign of goodwill or good optics. i heard the same about ventilators not being as useful as once believed for this virus, but i am sure indian hospitals could use them for other things.
Ventilators are extremely tough on the lungs and their longterm consequences are well-known. They're only supposed to be used in very rare circumstances because you're likely to affect that patient for life.
You generally get on a ventilator to give you more time alive. Alive with damaged lungs is better than dead but I don't see the benefit for damaging damaged lungs
https://apnews.com/8ccd325c2be9bf454c2128dcb7bd616d
Um, fuck the vaccine. As much as I love Trump, no god damn government is gonna prick me with a needle. Especially a government that is working so hard against our president. It sort of boggles my mind the President's faith in such a thing.
that's retarded.
They don't force you to get vaccines. If you don't want em don't sign up.
Why do we need a vaccine for something that doesn't threaten our lives or long term health in the majority of cases? Even moreso when we have a treatment that is highly effective, widely available, and proven safe over the course of 40 years due to its successful use as a malaria drug?
I get sick of the time and money wasted while we sit back and wait for the perfect opportunity to actually fight back against the democrats, who pull no punches and haven't since day 1. I'm not saying stoop to their level, but don't let them flick your ear constantly without opposition.
Trump knows India will be a great ally and neither of us are too fond of China. India has the 2nd (soon to be 1st) highest population in the world. That means a lot of soldiers. And a lot of weapons sales.
India knows China and Islam = asshoe.
This. And this tweet is a shot across the bow to China. India is courting US manufacturers to leave China and set up shop in India.
There's something wrong with bringing them back here? Why does every goddamn thing need to be made overseas?
It's cheaper to import than manufacture here. Manufacturing is expanding here, I'm a technician and seeing more and more messages on LinkedIn from recruiters. Many have explicitly told me the boom started because of trust in Trump.
I got out of the navy in 08 and couldn't find any real employment. In December 2016 I started getting calls and flown around the country for interviews.
I've made more money during trump's 1st term than I did in the entirety of Obamas 2 terms
It's cheaper to import than manufacture here. Manufacturing is expanding here, I'm a technician and seeing more and more messages on LinkedIn from recruiters. Many have explicitly told me the boom started because of trust in Trump.
I got out of the navy in 08 and couldn't find any real employment. In December 2016 I started getting calls and flown around the country for interviews.
I've made more money during trump's 1st term than I did in the entirety of Obamas 2 terms
I just hope we dont just make them our new source of cheap slave labor.
Maybe those phone scammers can get a real job. Chinese can't speak enough english to take over the racket.
Friendship ended with China (fucking finally)
India is now my preferred trading partner
Trump I love you and I'm voting for you no matter what over Biden, but you're starting to lose me with this vaccine and pandemic shit. Not lose my vote, but losing my enthusiasm.
One of China's nightmares is a very strong relationship between the US and India.
good point.
The enemy is not invisible. Its name is CHINA.
the invisible enemy is the deep state that will just crank up a new hoax as soon as this one subsides.
Zero chance he mandates them. But developing a vaccine is not a bad thing. If people want to get one let them. If you don't, don't. Just like the flu vaccine.
Exactly...I don't understand why posters on this site keep bringing that up. Don't they realize it would be political suicide on Trump's part? Not to mention that no other vaccines are mandated for anything else; why would this be any different? RIP btw Kenny miss ya bud
There has never (and can never, at least foreseeable future) be an effective vaccine against an RNA virus.
The deep state has run with bigpharma for decades. I dont trust them with my family's health.
LOVE OUR BASED INDIAPEDES!!!
Well, they’re killing people so maybe be careful
Cue dems rolling out more ads about blumpf giving away our medical supplies
What invisible enemy? Anyone know more than one person who got this shit? How about just one..
A lot of us in California had something that was most likely the covid starting since last October/November.
Personally yes, we've lost 3 extended family members due to it.
China is not invisible. You can see it from space.
They don't need them. India uses Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic unlike NY which banned it for most people unless there were just about dead anyway. Their death rate is 2 in 1 million, 700 times less than NY. 13 times more people have died in NY than India which has 50 times more people. people.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
India bout to be the new China but without the bugmen and communism.
they will give us priority on HCQ in exchange. the whole damn world wants it from them now. We will not be on a waiting list.
Why aren't we producing the HCQ?
Why are we dependent on manufacturing from a 3rd world country for emergency health treatment?
Where have you been the last few months? People have been harping on this topic a lot lol Outsourcing has been going on for many years, including pharma.
Now that china is in the crosshairs, we have to find alternatives until production is established domestically.
Dude. The vast majority of the US are "normies" he's not going to try to force feed them all red pills like some shitposting autist. He actually has things to accomplish.
then replace the narrative. just remember they're easily alarmed and you cant come at them with a double barrel serving of red pills
one at a time, especially when the psychos are serving them up for you with their nonsense
If you can’t even trust the government to not poison the water supply then you shouldn’t trust them not to be screwy with the vaccine either. Who knows what they’ll put in that thing? If it does end up giving immunity to the nothingburger virus then I’ll just view that as a positive side effect.
We have the best ventilators.
We don't want a vaccine, put that money into the wall!
No vaccine! Don’t even play like that. Expose the bullshit already. Stop playing along with their lies at any capacity Mr President.
India is not fren. They are destroying our infrastructure projects with shit outsources/insourcing. Crucial engineering and design projects are handed over en masse to cheap indian labor at the expense of american people.
They aren't doing anything unless it's offered to them. Take it up with the jerks in the US making it so much more attractive to outsource.
He really, really, really doesn't get it on this vaccine. Just like 2A and red flag laws, he needs someone to educate him asap.
Does Mexico need any? He should send some to Mexico.
We will beat the invisible enemy!
But muh ventilator shortage
HCQ is bought over the counter in much of India.
you think invisible enemy is synonymous for deep state?
Cool, help India. No more Indian immigrants, we have enough, and they all seem to be lefties.
I’ll wait till my liberal neighbors get it......then keep waiting lol
TRUMP HATES BROWN PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Guess WHO is getting a second opinion on the vaccine