The fact I am a medical professional. There really is no other reason that being high risk of catching it and then spreading it. Same with the Hep B and Flu shot.
Obviously if it's like that shitty 2014 or 2017 batch of flu vaccine might as well not, but if it has at least 80% efficacy I'll be in that line like a good little soy boy.
I'm not taking it either. I don't think flu vaccines are worth a damn. But I was also in heathcare for a while, and they can make it hard for you if you won't take vaccines. One place I worked at, I worked with an anit-vaxxer (which is fine with me, I don't have strong opinions one way or the other on that)... they told that person it was required and they would HAVE to get vaxxed to work. The employee put up a big stink, took it 2 managers up the chain, and finally was allowed to sign a waiver. Then HR put that employee on permanent night shift and gave them the worst schedule possible... and summarily passed them up for a promotion.
When I was in healthcare, I took the basic vaccines, TB and HEP, and have no problem with that because I was given one shot at a time, and because I really don't want to get Hep from an accidental needle-stick, or get TB from some weird immigrant. I'm very wary of them, but I'll take them for a good reason, if I feel like the benefits outweigh the risk.
No, the job can't require it because of first amendment stuff. You know religious doctors do exist and they can get an exemption. As a proud Rastafarian I have a personal note from Ahma Selassie Jr saying I don't need no vaccines, just in case anyone tries to make me do something.
But I have nothing against them. I get the argument against mandating vaccines but I find it silly people worry about them so much. They are literally so safe that whenever something goes wrong with em you get headline news like when the UN was giving everyone polio with type 2 vaccines (they used drop vaccines with live attenuated viruses instead of the standard injection with inactivated virus).
People freaking out about mercury back in the 2012s and other stuff should look up how much toxic metals are in tuna.
There are estimations based on flu strains that are prevalent, mutation patterns in recent cases, there is data from deployment in the Southern hemisphere too and lots of other factors. But you never know for sure until it hits.
Difference is if it works and I don't get it, great! If it doesn't work and I get the strain of the flu that they didn't anticipate there's nothing we can do anyway about it. It's a win-even situation.
No in the case of corona virus herd immunity is reached at 50% based on the fact that R0 is low for corona virus. If we were dealing with measles with an R0 of 12 we'd need >90%. But because Corona virus is far less infectious we reach herd immunity at 50% IF the vaccine actually works properly (>95% efficacy).
i get it that people want to know what are in the vaccines before they inject them into their bodies. what i don't get is the hysterical mania against all forms of vaccination that i'm seeing from some people. do you want a resurgence of polio? 🤔
exactly. i dont usually get those annual flu vaccinations. i eat right and take vitamins. i trust my immune system. rarely do i ever get sick. but that's practicing good hygiene and washing hands, even before this China Flu escaped.
They cant and I will personally refuse to administer a vaccine against a person's express desire in that case. But there even now exist exemptions on religious and ideological grounds for vaccination.
We have immuno compromised people who SHOULDN'T be vaccinated, which is why I am GREATLY against the CDC's at birth recommendation for Hep B vaccination. Fucking test the kid first to see if it can even handle it.
But I never say never when it comes to places like Commiefornia.
I think we need to just stop treating it like a black and white issue.
Not all vaccines are created equal. Stifling conversation about vaccines isn't going to help people figure out what they think on the issue. It's just going to polarize peoples opinions.
The only reason the antivax "crap" is a thing, is because vaccine researchers and manufacturers are not transparent.
No it depends on the R0 of a virus. You can calculate it using a formula. Corona virus was at a R0 of 2 to 2.5 before the social distancing. If we used a 100% effective vaccine with half of the people immunized it wouldn't be possible for it to spread anymore because every other person you run into is immune.
So the target coverage for Wu Flu immunity is 50% of the population AT LEAST!
With measles you are dealing with an R0 of 12! That's why you need 90% coverage to stop measles. Because it is so virulent that you and the 12 people in the room will be infected instead of just the 1-2 other people with Wu Flu.
The estimated. Remember the R0 of flu is below 2. Corona is basically flu on steroids, so an R0 of 2-3 isn't abnormal or out of expectations.
It is largely based on the method transmission which is why measles has R12 because it's actually airborne, as in it doesn't ride the droplets in your breath, but dust particles in the air. That can travel over 50 feet!
So R0 of 2 where on average 1 person gets 2 other people sick seems about right for Corona. R10 would be near measles where it's fully airborne and just sweeping through the population.
I actually advocated an alternate solution which is like Chicken pox parties. Where we'd get everyone under the age of 40 with no health conditions. Infect em all with their consent and then we just prescribe medication from the start to reduce mortality. We'd have herd immunity by the end of the month.
Of course this involves voluntarily getting people sick and there would be deaths (<1%). But we'd literally beat the virus into submission at a lower cost than currently with Cuomo shipping corona patients into nursing homes.
No, you have to take into account all the people who have already gotten it without significant symptoms and have antibodies already. They don't need to be vaccinated, but they won't get it or spread it.
You don't need to get it. Just 50% of the population = herd immunity for Wu Flu.
So let all the Dims get their mandatory vaccines and BOOM! You're now "herd immune".
PS: I will be getting the vaccine voluntarily
The fact I am a medical professional. There really is no other reason that being high risk of catching it and then spreading it. Same with the Hep B and Flu shot.
Obviously if it's like that shitty 2014 or 2017 batch of flu vaccine might as well not, but if it has at least 80% efficacy I'll be in that line like a good little soy boy.
Do I trust vaccines? Certainly.
I don't trust Bill Gates, especially after what he had done to kids in South Africa. It was like the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment all over again.
Well as long as Bill Gates isn't involved.
I'm not taking it either. I don't think flu vaccines are worth a damn. But I was also in heathcare for a while, and they can make it hard for you if you won't take vaccines. One place I worked at, I worked with an anit-vaxxer (which is fine with me, I don't have strong opinions one way or the other on that)... they told that person it was required and they would HAVE to get vaxxed to work. The employee put up a big stink, took it 2 managers up the chain, and finally was allowed to sign a waiver. Then HR put that employee on permanent night shift and gave them the worst schedule possible... and summarily passed them up for a promotion.
When I was in healthcare, I took the basic vaccines, TB and HEP, and have no problem with that because I was given one shot at a time, and because I really don't want to get Hep from an accidental needle-stick, or get TB from some weird immigrant. I'm very wary of them, but I'll take them for a good reason, if I feel like the benefits outweigh the risk.
I'm not an anti vaxxer, but I am anti coronavirus "vaccine". I just don't trust that there won't be a whole host of nasty ingredients/
Plus I bet your job will require it unless there is a contraindication.
No, the job can't require it because of first amendment stuff. You know religious doctors do exist and they can get an exemption. As a proud Rastafarian I have a personal note from Ahma Selassie Jr saying I don't need no vaccines, just in case anyone tries to make me do something.
But I have nothing against them. I get the argument against mandating vaccines but I find it silly people worry about them so much. They are literally so safe that whenever something goes wrong with em you get headline news like when the UN was giving everyone polio with type 2 vaccines (they used drop vaccines with live attenuated viruses instead of the standard injection with inactivated virus).
People freaking out about mercury back in the 2012s and other stuff should look up how much toxic metals are in tuna.
how do you know if a flu batch is good or not until after the fact?
There are estimations based on flu strains that are prevalent, mutation patterns in recent cases, there is data from deployment in the Southern hemisphere too and lots of other factors. But you never know for sure until it hits.
Difference is if it works and I don't get it, great! If it doesn't work and I get the strain of the flu that they didn't anticipate there's nothing we can do anyway about it. It's a win-even situation.
You say you're a medical professional but think that herd immunity is only 50 percent of the population? Yeah, sure ok
No in the case of corona virus herd immunity is reached at 50% based on the fact that R0 is low for corona virus. If we were dealing with measles with an R0 of 12 we'd need >90%. But because Corona virus is far less infectious we reach herd immunity at 50% IF the vaccine actually works properly (>95% efficacy).
i get it that people want to know what are in the vaccines before they inject them into their bodies. what i don't get is the hysterical mania against all forms of vaccination that i'm seeing from some people. do you want a resurgence of polio? 🤔
exactly. i dont usually get those annual flu vaccinations. i eat right and take vitamins. i trust my immune system. rarely do i ever get sick. but that's practicing good hygiene and washing hands, even before this China Flu escaped.
That won't work for me .. I avoid democrats like the plague.
They cant and I will personally refuse to administer a vaccine against a person's express desire in that case. But there even now exist exemptions on religious and ideological grounds for vaccination.
We have immuno compromised people who SHOULDN'T be vaccinated, which is why I am GREATLY against the CDC's at birth recommendation for Hep B vaccination. Fucking test the kid first to see if it can even handle it.
But I never say never when it comes to places like Commiefornia.
You don't administer vaccines anyway
Sure buddy. Now go back to the retard room. Your spit is getting all over the floor.
Tell me why you will be getting the vaccine voluntarily?
I am not anti-vax and we typically get our vaccines, but I am curious why you will trust one rapidly developed?
We never bother with flu shots, but all the other stuff we do get.
I answered in another post, work in the medical field. I don't want to risk getting it nor be a vector for spread.
I don't like the flu shots either but I still get em just in the chance they aren't crap this year and I can protect patients from spreading it to em.
It hasn't tho...
I think we need to just stop treating it like a black and white issue.
Not all vaccines are created equal. Stifling conversation about vaccines isn't going to help people figure out what they think on the issue. It's just going to polarize peoples opinions.
The only reason the antivax "crap" is a thing, is because vaccine researchers and manufacturers are not transparent.
The reason antivaxxers exist is because they are retarded
Skepticism of a medicine is not being anti-vaxx.
No it depends on the R0 of a virus. You can calculate it using a formula. Corona virus was at a R0 of 2 to 2.5 before the social distancing. If we used a 100% effective vaccine with half of the people immunized it wouldn't be possible for it to spread anymore because every other person you run into is immune.
So the target coverage for Wu Flu immunity is 50% of the population AT LEAST!
With measles you are dealing with an R0 of 12! That's why you need 90% coverage to stop measles. Because it is so virulent that you and the 12 people in the room will be infected instead of just the 1-2 other people with Wu Flu.
The estimated. Remember the R0 of flu is below 2. Corona is basically flu on steroids, so an R0 of 2-3 isn't abnormal or out of expectations.
It is largely based on the method transmission which is why measles has R12 because it's actually airborne, as in it doesn't ride the droplets in your breath, but dust particles in the air. That can travel over 50 feet!
So R0 of 2 where on average 1 person gets 2 other people sick seems about right for Corona. R10 would be near measles where it's fully airborne and just sweeping through the population.
I actually advocated an alternate solution which is like Chicken pox parties. Where we'd get everyone under the age of 40 with no health conditions. Infect em all with their consent and then we just prescribe medication from the start to reduce mortality. We'd have herd immunity by the end of the month.
Of course this involves voluntarily getting people sick and there would be deaths (<1%). But we'd literally beat the virus into submission at a lower cost than currently with Cuomo shipping corona patients into nursing homes.
No, you have to take into account all the people who have already gotten it without significant symptoms and have antibodies already. They don't need to be vaccinated, but they won't get it or spread it.
Exactly.