bro im not a huge anti vaxxer or anything but i seriously doubt any of the REAL issues with vaccines have made headline news, anywhere, ever.
I used to be the kind of person who didn't question vaccines at all. Anti-vaxxers look crazy i thought.. why would i wanna go there? well, now I am the father of a 4 year old boy who is diagnosed with autism and apraxia of speech and that has made me look into things a little bit more and keep an open mind with these things.
My son, when he was maybe 7 or 8 months old, was hit with 6 vaccines/medications/whatever you wanna call them, in a period of about 13 seconds and they were all part of the typical schedule of immunizations for healthy children. There were 2 nurses and they each had 3 syringes in their hand and on the count of three they began injecting the vaccines as quickly as possible.. 3 in one leg and 3 in the other. I can't believe I let it happen based on the trauma to my son alone bc he obviously flipped the fuck out, but I REALLY was ashamed that I didn't think of the possible damage it could do to his development. as I left i was thinking.. "holy shit, the amount of medication in this baby's bloodstream right now has to be alarming just based on the ratio of foreign substances vs. his blood" and I didn't even wanna dwell on the real issue.. how would his little body react to all of those foreign substances rushing his infant immune system? what if there was an allergy? a negative interaction between the combination of 6 different drugs? seizures? long term damage? who knows?? no one knows for sure.
is there anyone here that can honestly say they believe its safe for a 20 pound baby to receive 6 shots simultaneously for the purpose of immunization? those of you who do think its safe, would you allow the same thing to happen to your kid? its the last time it will happen to one of mine, as I will be much more diligent in ensuring that I know what is going in his body. Hell, they even tried to administer two vaccinations that he had just gotten at the last appointment and from looking at the ingredients of these vaccines and the amount contained vs the amount considered to be hazardous in situations outside of vaccination i really don't want to give my children that medication once, definitely not twice.
Either way, its bad to just outright reject all vaccines and its bad to outright accept all vaccines. Do your own personal research and decide what is best for you and your family. Everyone is different and should be treated accordingly so we need to get away from a "vaccine schedule" imo.
The majority of them are just doing a job for money and social standing. They are not saints, they will do whatever they are told, and surrender independent thinking to government and organizational consensus.
They'd flip on HCQ overnight if the AMA or NIH endorsed it as a treatment for instance.
So then builders plumbers and electricians are smart robots because they have to follow a building code. And so are accountants and lawyers and police officers and fire fighters and well anyone with a job.
In what magical world do people work for shits and giggles?
I am completely missing your point. Who is not a robot? Only a free man in the woods naked with gun.
What is the alternative to robot doctors? Free thinking shamans and witches?
If you are trying to say that we are all robots and slaves to the machine then I agree but I think it is unnecessary to call out one group of people.
There is no link between autism and vaccines. Given the gigantic amount of children vaccinated all over the world we would see massive spikes in linked developmental disorders we just don't see. The research often cited is either lacking, shows no significant results or in the case of the specific UK doctor that became a big deal was actually funded by a vaccine competitor trying to corner the market for THEIR vaccine.
Even then we know the mortality associated with these disease far outweigh even the anti-vaxxer claims of autism and other promoted side effects. It used to be 1 in 11 children died. We've reduced that with anti-virals to 1 in 26 but think about that. 1 in 26 dead vs one in million of "vaccine induced autism" which I would highly dispute as an autistic child who got vaccines and the parents blaming the vaccines instead of their child being born autistic as it is not an acquired condition.
But hey good news! 95% of people are still getting vaccinated. So we have herd immunity. Even if you decide that the 1 in 26 mortality of measles (and we aren't even talking the other diseases) sounds better than the purported rate of autism induction from basic human immunization, you are still less likely to actually have to be confronted with that possibility because there is no easy vector for the disease.
So get your vaccines if you want, don't get em if you don't want to. Like I said, there have been HUGE fuck ups like the type 2 polio that was both a cost saving effort and a "muslims hate needles" combination of factors.
I state it as fact that there has been no proof that if you inject a kid with vaccines they get autism because of several issues. One, you didn't find proof when doing analysis. Two, autism is an inherited disorder with no known mechanism by which to induce it.
The burden of evidence is not in my court. You claim something causes something and have no evidence for it. So we're done. I am not going to have the tiresome discussion of extracting a concession from you that the thousands upon thousands of safety studies are in fact not refuted by this one paper from a Nigerian scam church.
All people with autism drink water. What do you think is in the water giving them autism? What do you mean there is no proof drinking water gives you autism? That just means you haven't found the proof yet!
This is one of the most common logical fallacies I see spouted.
Evaluating each vaccine separately is not anti-vaccine.
Wanting a different version of a vaccine is not anti-vaccine.
Wanting to alter the schedule but still get the vaccines is not anti-vaccine.
To suggest otherwise is to suggest people are too stupid to evaluate and decide on their own medical care. Apply this logic to anything else and you'll see how authoritarian it is. You're too stupid to understand nutrition, so we'll pick all your meals for you. You're too stupid to know what religion to choose, so we'll choose one for you. It's the established religion and church. Hyperbolic... only a little.
I literally said the opposite. I have no idea which comment you read but I basically told you to do whatever you want cause I am not at risk of anything.
I mean, I feel there's a bit of a difference with those two statements but yea.. I do have some views that probably align with anti-vaxxers. I don't pay too much attention to their handbook or whatever it is but I certainly have a high level of distrust regarding medications that are created for profit and forced upon the population.
bro im not a huge anti vaxxer or anything but i seriously doubt any of the REAL issues with vaccines have made headline news, anywhere, ever.
I used to be the kind of person who didn't question vaccines at all. Anti-vaxxers look crazy i thought.. why would i wanna go there? well, now I am the father of a 4 year old boy who is diagnosed with autism and apraxia of speech and that has made me look into things a little bit more and keep an open mind with these things.
My son, when he was maybe 7 or 8 months old, was hit with 6 vaccines/medications/whatever you wanna call them, in a period of about 13 seconds and they were all part of the typical schedule of immunizations for healthy children. There were 2 nurses and they each had 3 syringes in their hand and on the count of three they began injecting the vaccines as quickly as possible.. 3 in one leg and 3 in the other. I can't believe I let it happen based on the trauma to my son alone bc he obviously flipped the fuck out, but I REALLY was ashamed that I didn't think of the possible damage it could do to his development. as I left i was thinking.. "holy shit, the amount of medication in this baby's bloodstream right now has to be alarming just based on the ratio of foreign substances vs. his blood" and I didn't even wanna dwell on the real issue.. how would his little body react to all of those foreign substances rushing his infant immune system? what if there was an allergy? a negative interaction between the combination of 6 different drugs? seizures? long term damage? who knows?? no one knows for sure.
is there anyone here that can honestly say they believe its safe for a 20 pound baby to receive 6 shots simultaneously for the purpose of immunization? those of you who do think its safe, would you allow the same thing to happen to your kid? its the last time it will happen to one of mine, as I will be much more diligent in ensuring that I know what is going in his body. Hell, they even tried to administer two vaccinations that he had just gotten at the last appointment and from looking at the ingredients of these vaccines and the amount contained vs the amount considered to be hazardous in situations outside of vaccination i really don't want to give my children that medication once, definitely not twice.
Either way, its bad to just outright reject all vaccines and its bad to outright accept all vaccines. Do your own personal research and decide what is best for you and your family. Everyone is different and should be treated accordingly so we need to get away from a "vaccine schedule" imo.
Our first child had seizures after it. We forced the doctor to break up all the shots over time. They looked at us like we were anti science retards.
Fuck doctors and nurses. They do what the institutions tell them to do. Every one out of 100 not willing to be a robot faces penalties.
Yeah fuck em. Devoting all that time trying to keep people healthy . Studying this shit for years.
Bunch of people on Facebook think you should just do whatever so that must be the way.
I drank a Coke and a Pepsi same day, still here. Bitches.
The majority of them are just doing a job for money and social standing. They are not saints, they will do whatever they are told, and surrender independent thinking to government and organizational consensus.
They'd flip on HCQ overnight if the AMA or NIH endorsed it as a treatment for instance.
They do what they are told. Smart robots.
So then builders plumbers and electricians are smart robots because they have to follow a building code. And so are accountants and lawyers and police officers and fire fighters and well anyone with a job.
In what magical world do people work for shits and giggles?
I am completely missing your point. Who is not a robot? Only a free man in the woods naked with gun.
What is the alternative to robot doctors? Free thinking shamans and witches?
If you are trying to say that we are all robots and slaves to the machine then I agree but I think it is unnecessary to call out one group of people.
There is no link between autism and vaccines. Given the gigantic amount of children vaccinated all over the world we would see massive spikes in linked developmental disorders we just don't see. The research often cited is either lacking, shows no significant results or in the case of the specific UK doctor that became a big deal was actually funded by a vaccine competitor trying to corner the market for THEIR vaccine.
Even then we know the mortality associated with these disease far outweigh even the anti-vaxxer claims of autism and other promoted side effects. It used to be 1 in 11 children died. We've reduced that with anti-virals to 1 in 26 but think about that. 1 in 26 dead vs one in million of "vaccine induced autism" which I would highly dispute as an autistic child who got vaccines and the parents blaming the vaccines instead of their child being born autistic as it is not an acquired condition.
But hey good news! 95% of people are still getting vaccinated. So we have herd immunity. Even if you decide that the 1 in 26 mortality of measles (and we aren't even talking the other diseases) sounds better than the purported rate of autism induction from basic human immunization, you are still less likely to actually have to be confronted with that possibility because there is no easy vector for the disease.
So get your vaccines if you want, don't get em if you don't want to. Like I said, there have been HUGE fuck ups like the type 2 polio that was both a cost saving effort and a "muslims hate needles" combination of factors.
I state it as fact that there has been no proof that if you inject a kid with vaccines they get autism because of several issues. One, you didn't find proof when doing analysis. Two, autism is an inherited disorder with no known mechanism by which to induce it.
The burden of evidence is not in my court. You claim something causes something and have no evidence for it. So we're done. I am not going to have the tiresome discussion of extracting a concession from you that the thousands upon thousands of safety studies are in fact not refuted by this one paper from a Nigerian scam church.
All people with autism drink water. What do you think is in the water giving them autism? What do you mean there is no proof drinking water gives you autism? That just means you haven't found the proof yet!
https://vaers.hhs.gov/
This is one of the most common logical fallacies I see spouted.
To suggest otherwise is to suggest people are too stupid to evaluate and decide on their own medical care. Apply this logic to anything else and you'll see how authoritarian it is. You're too stupid to understand nutrition, so we'll pick all your meals for you. You're too stupid to know what religion to choose, so we'll choose one for you. It's the established religion and church. Hyperbolic... only a little.
I literally said the opposite. I have no idea which comment you read but I basically told you to do whatever you want cause I am not at risk of anything.
considering the fact that myself, my wife, and our only child are all fully vaccinated I am hands down, the worst anti-vaxxer ever.
thanks for your input though.. very constructive.
"You're definitely an antivaxxer"
"Your views are aligned with antivaxxers."
I mean, I feel there's a bit of a difference with those two statements but yea.. I do have some views that probably align with anti-vaxxers. I don't pay too much attention to their handbook or whatever it is but I certainly have a high level of distrust regarding medications that are created for profit and forced upon the population.