My theory is they knew something got out of the lab but not sure exactly what, so they took extreme measures.
Once they knew what they had, they couldn't admit it was human involved, so they needed the cover story (wet market) and had to keep up the scary images to deflect blame.
There was one vid I saw -- probably NYC Chinatown - rare. They fell likely because the virus load ramps up, just like a bad flu that you may have got in the past. I doubt it's death, but still serious. But people in the US are far more likely to seek medical attention than folks in China. Superstition matters too, some of China's (and many countries with traditional thinking) old people don't ever want to go to the hospital because of the thought that they might never get out alive.
Also WTF happened in Italy? Absolutely agree, there's more to this than we understand, and I don't think it's because anybody is hiding anything from us. It's just that viruses are complicated and constantly mutating, and people are complicated with a huge variety of genetic and environmental and lifestyle factors affecting their health and their susceptibility to specific infectious agents and their response to specific medications. The weirdest thing is that, very recently, very solid evidence emerged that tobacco smoking has a protective effect against COVID-19.
The very young, never before exposed to a similar virus
The elderly with various pre-existing conditions and generally declining health and immune system despite past exposure to similar viruses.
CV-19 has proven to be little threat to the young and young-to-middle-aged adults in good health despite it being a novel virus. It is only the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions PLUS no acquired immunity which suffer high mortality rates.
This seems to indicate that once the population has been vaccinated and/or exposed to similar agents that CV-19 will likely be less dangerous than many flus. Conversely, until they have acquired some immunity, those who reach old age or acquire certain conditions will continue to have elevated risk.
An important characteristic of COVID-19 is that most people who die or spend time in critical condition from it are primarily suffering symptoms resulting from an overly aggressive immune response, including "cytokine storms". This probably explains two phenomena: first, the widely noted lack of serious cases in children, and second, the growing list of patients over 100 years old who have survived a symptomatic infection. At this point, I've lost count of how many news stories I've seen about the "amazing" survival of someone over 100 years old. And I suspect there are a whole lot more of these cases among the 90+ crowd.
Most likely, the same thing is underlying these two phenomena: Young children don't have fully developed immune systems, and so will tend to mount a weaker and slower response to the virus. Very elderly people's immune systems have weakened significantly, and thus they also mount a weaker response to the virus. When the virus in question kills largely by triggering a dangerously aggressive immune response, having a weak immune system is a benefit.
I suspect if researchers took a comprehensive look at people in the 15-75 age range whose immune systems are being pharmacologically suppressed due to some other medical condition (e.g. organ transplant), they'd find a pattern of unexpectedly good outcomes, especially in cases where the immune suppressing drugs were not discontinued. Something similar appears to have been observed in a European study, which showed very few cases among people taking hydroxychloroquine for the autoimmune disorders lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
If you really want to go down a rabbit hole the virus was modified to attack specific genetic markers and this virus was intended for Hong Kong. Then it got out
Here are 2 that I can think of:
(A) Many Chinese of older generations are notoriously stubborn, they will try to tough it out and not go to a hospital for little niggles. Going to hospital for a flu is being a chickenshit coward. Those who fell in the streets may have got hit by the flu virus rapidly ramping up, sometimes it happens in a few hours.
(B) If you followed researchers hinting about the artificial origins of the virus, usually the ACE2 receptor is discussed. East Asians have a lot more ACE2 receptors versus Caucasians I believe. There is a lot of ACE2 receptors in the lung. Also worse for smokers, and there are a heck of a lot of smokers in China. The Wuhan virus is very much more potent in binding with ACE2 versus original SARS, so it may get a better foothold among East Asians.
they managed to mutate sars in 10 yrs, all the aborted fetuses in Wuhan would have come from Han Chinese babies! (To experiment with bat viruses) They literally created a virus specific to their own race
Not really, there are other more mundane reasons. Here are some things widely known (you can find the proper sources by searching etc):
(A) The closest natural match was a sample taken from a bat cave about 1,000 miles south China, this the Wuhan lab admitted to, but I think they claim it's a coincidence. Yeah, right.
(B) One of their senior researchers (Daily Mail called him Bat Man) was prospecting for virus samples down south China, once boasting of having forgotten his biohazard suit and went prospecting while bat urine dripped on his head. He quarantineed himself afterwards, but it shows cowboy-like behavior, no offense to cowboys.
(C) Wuhan lab WAS doing addition-of-function research on bat coronaviruses. And HIV and SARS virus WAS a focus of their efforts. The ACE2 receptor WAS a focus, I believe. They were boasting of this research right until about last November, then website scrubbing -- an act of panic that suggests they were not evil masterminds at work.
(D) Lab discipline may have been poorly enforced. Many stories have been told, from busted seals on an LN2 sample storage unit (there was a pix) to one researcher getting infected to selling used lab animals to the wet market. Unclear what exactly is true, but the gist of it is clear -- they ruled their little kingdom, no checks and balances, their arrogance was their downfall.
By shutting down the backwards Wuhan for a SARS like illness, Hong Kong would enact their SARS plan. This would end the protests in Hong King. If this spread, China might get out of the US trade deal.
Plus China has a major demographic problem. They might get old before they’re rich. Meaning they won’t have the money to take care of their old.
Someone, please explain. If the threat is so overstated, WTF happened in China? Do they just suck at this? We breezed through it! Sweden breezed through it!
My theory is they knew something got out of the lab but not sure exactly what, so they took extreme measures.
Once they knew what they had, they couldn't admit it was human involved, so they needed the cover story (wet market) and had to keep up the scary images to deflect blame.
My theory is that China used crisis actors to spread fear so we would destroy ourselves.
Why did we see video's of people dying in the street ... but we haven't' seen that here?
Were the videos real, or staged?
Staged. It's how CCP propaganda works.
Think Operation Fortitude in WW2.
https://www.history.com/news/d-day-hitler-germany-defenses-miscalculations
There was one vid I saw -- probably NYC Chinatown - rare. They fell likely because the virus load ramps up, just like a bad flu that you may have got in the past. I doubt it's death, but still serious. But people in the US are far more likely to seek medical attention than folks in China. Superstition matters too, some of China's (and many countries with traditional thinking) old people don't ever want to go to the hospital because of the thought that they might never get out alive.
Also WTF happened in Italy? Absolutely agree, there's more to this than we understand, and I don't think it's because anybody is hiding anything from us. It's just that viruses are complicated and constantly mutating, and people are complicated with a huge variety of genetic and environmental and lifestyle factors affecting their health and their susceptibility to specific infectious agents and their response to specific medications. The weirdest thing is that, very recently, very solid evidence emerged that tobacco smoking has a protective effect against COVID-19.
two bits re: italy: 1. italy has the largest population of the elderly in europe, many with co-morbidities. 2. generational living.
Yes, but Italy still doesn't have horrifically bad flu seasons.
Italy is notorious for having high mortality to flu among its large population of elderly.
But nothing like what they experienced with COVID-19.
The flu is generally hardest on two groups:
The very young, never before exposed to a similar virus
The elderly with various pre-existing conditions and generally declining health and immune system despite past exposure to similar viruses.
CV-19 has proven to be little threat to the young and young-to-middle-aged adults in good health despite it being a novel virus. It is only the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions PLUS no acquired immunity which suffer high mortality rates.
This seems to indicate that once the population has been vaccinated and/or exposed to similar agents that CV-19 will likely be less dangerous than many flus. Conversely, until they have acquired some immunity, those who reach old age or acquire certain conditions will continue to have elevated risk.
An important characteristic of COVID-19 is that most people who die or spend time in critical condition from it are primarily suffering symptoms resulting from an overly aggressive immune response, including "cytokine storms". This probably explains two phenomena: first, the widely noted lack of serious cases in children, and second, the growing list of patients over 100 years old who have survived a symptomatic infection. At this point, I've lost count of how many news stories I've seen about the "amazing" survival of someone over 100 years old. And I suspect there are a whole lot more of these cases among the 90+ crowd.
Most likely, the same thing is underlying these two phenomena: Young children don't have fully developed immune systems, and so will tend to mount a weaker and slower response to the virus. Very elderly people's immune systems have weakened significantly, and thus they also mount a weaker response to the virus. When the virus in question kills largely by triggering a dangerously aggressive immune response, having a weak immune system is a benefit.
I suspect if researchers took a comprehensive look at people in the 15-75 age range whose immune systems are being pharmacologically suppressed due to some other medical condition (e.g. organ transplant), they'd find a pattern of unexpectedly good outcomes, especially in cases where the immune suppressing drugs were not discontinued. Something similar appears to have been observed in a European study, which showed very few cases among people taking hydroxychloroquine for the autoimmune disorders lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
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Because COVID is at least 5x more contagious. Not that hard to understand.
i wonder if they're big on 'flu shots? there have been theories that covid was in vaccines. just postulating.
If you really want to go down a rabbit hole the virus was modified to attack specific genetic markers and this virus was intended for Hong Kong. Then it got out
If I ever liked any conspiracy theory on this, it would be this one. It fails though, for me, because Hong Kong did not get ravaged.
Here are 2 that I can think of: (A) Many Chinese of older generations are notoriously stubborn, they will try to tough it out and not go to a hospital for little niggles. Going to hospital for a flu is being a chickenshit coward. Those who fell in the streets may have got hit by the flu virus rapidly ramping up, sometimes it happens in a few hours. (B) If you followed researchers hinting about the artificial origins of the virus, usually the ACE2 receptor is discussed. East Asians have a lot more ACE2 receptors versus Caucasians I believe. There is a lot of ACE2 receptors in the lung. Also worse for smokers, and there are a heck of a lot of smokers in China. The Wuhan virus is very much more potent in binding with ACE2 versus original SARS, so it may get a better foothold among East Asians.
Not really, there are other more mundane reasons. Here are some things widely known (you can find the proper sources by searching etc): (A) The closest natural match was a sample taken from a bat cave about 1,000 miles south China, this the Wuhan lab admitted to, but I think they claim it's a coincidence. Yeah, right. (B) One of their senior researchers (Daily Mail called him Bat Man) was prospecting for virus samples down south China, once boasting of having forgotten his biohazard suit and went prospecting while bat urine dripped on his head. He quarantineed himself afterwards, but it shows cowboy-like behavior, no offense to cowboys. (C) Wuhan lab WAS doing addition-of-function research on bat coronaviruses. And HIV and SARS virus WAS a focus of their efforts. The ACE2 receptor WAS a focus, I believe. They were boasting of this research right until about last November, then website scrubbing -- an act of panic that suggests they were not evil masterminds at work. (D) Lab discipline may have been poorly enforced. Many stories have been told, from busted seals on an LN2 sample storage unit (there was a pix) to one researcher getting infected to selling used lab animals to the wet market. Unclear what exactly is true, but the gist of it is clear -- they ruled their little kingdom, no checks and balances, their arrogance was their downfall.
Hong Kong Protests and US trade deal
By shutting down the backwards Wuhan for a SARS like illness, Hong Kong would enact their SARS plan. This would end the protests in Hong King. If this spread, China might get out of the US trade deal.
Plus China has a major demographic problem. They might get old before they’re rich. Meaning they won’t have the money to take care of their old.
We don't know yet.
China locked down to set the stage for the US to lockdown.
China was controlling the WHO, who set the metrics and standards for handling this.
It was strategy.
Someone, please explain. If the threat is so overstated, WTF happened in China? Do they just suck at this? We breezed through it! Sweden breezed through it!
But... but... muh 21 million cell phones users and sulfur emissions from mass cremations!
Bro. China breezed through it, too, relatively speaking. They got what they wanted - to level the economic field.
That's it. They are probably surprised at how helpful the US politicians, especially democrat party, have been in helping them.