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trumplandslide 58 points ago +58 / -0

To be honest, HCQ is one of the safest drugs around. It's been on the market since 1958. Lupus patients are using it continuously, no problems.

One may argue it doesn't work 100% (but nothing does, flu shots work 30-70%), but arguing its safety is a total reversal of truth.

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trumplandslide 16 points ago +16 / -0

Almost none and those that got it didn't die.

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MW23232 21 points ago +21 / -0

Per the Brietbart article in this post (and I changed it a bit) sociopathic media "and others", would rather see people die (and we absolutely have seen thousands die who probably would not have if the Left and MSM hadn't told everyone it did not work, if they had simply been prescribed HCQ, Zinc and a Z-Pak early on) of the coronavirus than saved by something Trump supports.

There have been all kinds of articles on the internet in the recent past by doctors around the US and the world, who regardless of what MSM, etc., said, used that combination on their own patients with great success. I have read many of them. IDK why people would just believe MSM, that it doesn't work. MSM hasn't been truthful to us for years, why would they on this subject? I believed the President, but luckily, so did doctors who were interested in trying to save lives.

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MAGA_MEXICAN_CHILI 11 points ago +11 / -0

Its called appealing to authority.

As long as the media can keep pushing that they themselves are a moral authority of Truth. People will not question the narrative that is given to them. That is why the tech firms and media work in concert because it destroys that pillar on which their whole house is built.

If you look at history, at the start of this nation hundreds paper and leaflet outlets existed in the colonies pre and post revolutionary war. Eventually money people started to figure out you could sway public thought through paper and sought to shink the access and distribution. We've seen though through history (the Pulitzer and Hearst spat is a great example), now we're seeing it happen in real time because of the internet has such a large reach. The powers at be can no longer keep the genie in the bottle. So they have to discredit it via logical fallacies.

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MW23232 3 points ago +3 / -0

Like many think, unfortunately, & like I admit I even thought many years ago, "The MSM woulc not lie to us! Would they?"

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MAGA_MEXICAN_CHILI 3 points ago +3 / -0

Honestly it is reinforced in pop culture. Clark Kent and Louis Lane for Daily Planet heavy in the silver age enforced this thought.

Probably why people didnt like Jay Jonah Jameson in Spiderman because he acted against Spidey instead of cheering him on.

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10MeV 9 points ago +10 / -1

Alex Marlow (of Breitbart) is rather dismissive of HCQ. If you call and ask about it, he'll ask where you got your medical degree. It's snarky, though he'll say "I don't mean to sound snarky.", as he does it. Anyway, there are all too many people who don't want HCQ+Zn to be effective, claiming there are no supportive studies.

That's an entire topic of its own, but there are enough success stories that if I find myself dealing with this bug, HCQ+Zn is the first thing I'm going after.

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MW23232 9 points ago +9 / -0

People like the guy at Brietbart, talking like that, I feel is really not on POTUS side in the first place. I believe the President had info HCQ was the best bet from the start, and simply told us. I believed him. Since then, there is a lot of evidence from doctors that it works if people would just look around the internet. Plus, I know someone who takes HCQ for arthritis, and it doesn't cause problems for him. Plus I talked to a guy on here, he is in the medical field, and he had it BAD as did his Dad, and then another elderly man related to someone here. All had CV, all took HCQ and all survived. So I agree with you. First thing I'd take, even if I had to go out of the state to get it prescribed.

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DoYouBelieveInMAGA 6 points ago +6 / -0

Doesn't the Bible say there will be a time when left is right and up is down?

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Jack_Burton 6 points ago +6 / -0

Isaiah 5:20...

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

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ikuyas 4 points ago +4 / -0

After being used or 60 years millions of times, all those new researches suddenly started finding HCQ dangerous is so bizarre.

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zigmund_fraud 3 points ago +4 / -1

I'd be careful suggesting that HCQ causes no problems. My mom took it for an autoimmune issue years ago and began to go blind in one eye as a result. I'm thinking she was probably an extreme responder, as most medications tend to effect her more than the avg. person.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge advocate for the use of HCQ for autoimmune issues & COVID19 because it appears to work in most cases, at least that I'm aware of. I would just say that it is generally safe when used carefully and conservatively. Being totally black & white about it kind of undermines the legitimacy of an otherwise true statement.

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trumplandslide 5 points ago +5 / -0

I hear you.

But compared to untested vaccines that is injected into your blood a 60+ year old medication is relatively safe.

For me personally, I prefer sunlight, sleep, exercise and good nutrition as my first line of defense.

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zigmund_fraud 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agree with you 100% on this. I would likely recommend my mom take it again if she were to get a bad case of COVID. I'd just be adamant that they titrate the dosage gradually to avoid issues. Shit, I'd probably opt for HCQ over any vaccine that comes out.

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ikuyas 0 points ago +1 / -1

Did your mom get a malaria?!?

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malthrax 0 points ago +1 / -1

"average people" don't concern themselves with the 0.00001% of edge cases in casual conversation.

That's what we're having here - casual conversation. If you're going to mandate that every statement include an uncountable number of caveats to cover every potential edge case, then nobody will be able to complete a sentence without collapsing from hypoxia.

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zigmund_fraud 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're being rather dickish for "casual conversation."

Any reasonable person would likely want to know what the risks are before taking a medication. To suggest that there are none, or that they somehow only impact .0001% of those that take HCQ is just asinine. When people present HCQ like it is without risks it immediately makes them look misinformed and calls into question their credibility on the matter. That's the case with a massive number of medications, I'm not suggesting anything controversial here.

HCQ is not without risks, and should not be treated that way. THAT SAID, I still advocate for its use in testing COVID19 and autoimmune issues. It works. I think I'm being pretty reasonable here, so chill with the mean girls shit.

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Belmont 0 points ago +1 / -1

Contact Scott Adams. He has a news agency that will pay $1M for a story like that, he says.

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zigmund_fraud 0 points ago +1 / -1

You're about as tolerant as the folks on r/politics

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Belmont 0 points ago +1 / -1

Your comment doesn't make any sense.