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posted ago by Avshalom ago by Avshalom +16 / -0

because if Dr Fauci is one of the fathers of immune theory then it must be bullshit.

currently accepted immune theory is wrong, not just wrong wrong but ideology wrong; meaning it seems attractive and truish and effective only because it accords with existing ideology, and because it accords with ideology and is ideological, the theory can literally be killing more than any virus but people will still believe it and wont stop believing it unless someone literally beats the shit out of them. "virus tries to kill you unless your vaccinated immune system kills the virus first" no wrong. so wrong. whoever believed something so complex as all the interactions involved could be boiled down to “my body versus the virus one or the other” that “the best body is one with no viruses anywhere what a great clean and proper white body no thetans no viruses no antediluvian horrors”

Predictive modeling was first developed for malaria over a century ago by an almost-forgotten English doctor, Ronald Ross. In a fascinating 2020 book, the mathematician and epidemiologist Adam Kucharski showed how Ross first identified the mosquito as the infectious agent through experiments on birds. From this fact, he developed a predictive model of malaria transmission, which was later generalized as the SIR (Susceptible, Infected, and Recovered) model of contagious-disease epidemics.

The question that interested epidemiologists was not what triggers an epidemic, but what causes it to end. They concluded that epidemics end naturally when enough people have had the disease so that further transmission rates decline. Basically, the virus runs out of hosts in which it can reproduce itself. In today’s jargon, the population develops “herd immunity.”

The science developed from Ross’s original model is almost universally accepted, and has been fruitfully applied in other contexts, like financial contagion. But no policymaker is prepared to allow a killer epidemic to run its natural course, because the potential death toll would be unacceptable

not sure what is meant by 'fruitfully applied to financial contagion' other than essential workers being milked harder to vaccinate wealth against the contagion created by wealth, and not even solving the provlem in thr long run as we have seen second waves of financial contagion. but yes, if you can apply something like immune theory across categories even and especially to the financial system then you can bet your ass it is ideology.

did viruses evolve before hosts? no they cant reproduce. did they evolve after hosts? maybe but what did they evolve from? given a bit of skepticism about so called megavirueses which can allegedly be seen under an optical microscope tho i can find nothing but electron images of them, viruses are therefore transcendental, interindividual even interspecies information agents that evolved in parallel with the species that serve as their hosts, because the viruses themselves are part of the superbiome of said species.

Consider Methyl Salicyate in plants "may be used as a pheromone that travels between plants to warn other plants of pathogens such as tobacco mosaic virus". see this is half ideology again, viewing the virus as an alien invader that need be purged from the clean and proper white bodies of the plants. when in fact both the pheromone and the 'virus' are two sides of the same system. humans and other animas have pheromones just like plants, but we mask ours with antiperspirant and deodorant and frequent hand washing why? well you can literally smell people when they lie or are nervous or hot for you, and that sort of real non-verbal relation and recognition is antithetical to the artificial consumer society we participate and facilitate. cant have capitalism without lies, cant lie without deodorant, and you can sell a lot. ore deodorant if your market is prone to inflammatory outbreaks.

yes ideology is often almost universally accepted (save the thinkers who expose ideology as such when it fails the test of crisis), and the conclusions about what ends epidemics is ideology. "herd immunity" literally makes no sense from the same ideological principles of the theory that generated it.

"when enough people have had the disease that further transmission rates decline" is the evidence collected, the interpretive conclusion is ideology, drawn from the ideology of 'viruses try to kill you unless your immune system kills them first'. maybe the conclusion even holds for something like malaria, but certainly not colds or flus.

in fact when a "virus runs out of hosts in which it can reproduce itself" the virus goes extinct. but even when so called herd immunity is in effect, the related virus is not in fact extinct, just not causing a disease or associated symptoms no longer manifest in most of the "herd", and individuals exposed to the virus still will get sick.

a better conclusion to draw from data showing 'as more people are infected transmission rates decline' is that viruses want to mutate to forms that wont cause their own extinction or even that wont cause inflammatory responses that manifest as symptoms. strains that do not kill their host are selected for over strains that do kill their host, naturally as hosts that arent dead can spread their strain to other hosts and this milder strain will outpopulate deadlier strains that do kill their host.

quite probably every virus that makes its first widely known appearance in humans as a deadly strain was cultivated to be deadly. as more of the population is exposed, the virus naturally mutates to a less deadly strain unless aided by deliberate or accidental secondary coinfections or poisonings. no naturally occurring unaided virus should ever wipe out any species. no intervention is needed to protect the human species from any virus. no mass or universal vaccination is ever necessary, or if it were then humanity would have never made it this far.

consider the much spoken of crazy wuhan bats that serve as reservoirs of all sorts of crazy viruses. bats dont have herd immunity to every virus they carry, their immune systems arent constantly fighting them all and they arent dying to the viruses. in fact, bats rarely get sick and rarely get cancer. why? because their body's "immune system" (name should be different) is in equilibrium with the viruses they carry.

those viruses the bat carries are eating the bats cancerous cells weak precancerous cells and various other gunk. doctors noted that covid19 patients not put on ventilators recovered with increased lung elasticity. its nothing so much to do with bat genes or proteins or clean and proper magic bat bodies, the viruses prevent tumors from forming by killing cancerous cells as they pop up, using them to reproduce. bats rarely get sick because their immune system exposed to so many viruses rarely overreacts, bat immune systems dont skip leg day.

modern human immune systems dont even have a gym membership, because they are vaccinated as early as possible and never conditioned against any real virus. whatever information the virus had to share with their body their body will never know. consequently modern humans are prone to crazy unheard of until now inflammatory responses to the tiniest innocent things. like peanuts.

people dying to peanuts didnt happen before mass vaccination left everyone with a shit immune system, people who walk like zombies and talk like robots and cant make eye contact and are sensitive to the tiniest things and cant actually do anything about it because if they raise their voice or experience any adrenaline they break out into asthma their acne boils pop all over their body, they shake and have diarrhea etcetc.

when scientists started theorizing about programming viruses to kill cancerous cells and shit that should have been a dead give away. "hey wait there doctor ideology, maybe viruses already do that, and your vaccinations may not cause cancer but they kill the viruses that were the reason we never had so much cancer before, and now you want to replace the cancer eating viruses you prevented us from hosting (by mandatory vaccinating us against them) with viruses that do the same thing but you patent and have ownership over and will of course price so that only the rich can afford.

cancer permitting vaccines before child hits age of reason: mandatory universal and "free" paid for by the government and your future taxes and subjugation to the vaccine maker. patented private programmed cancer killing viruses to replace the natural viruses you were forcefully vaccinated against before you could even reason whether the theory supporting the violation of your body as if state property was sound: sorry you only get to not die from cancer safely if you are super rich and have a perfect social credit score because you were rich enough to never be exposed to any social risk.

when you get sick, from stress or some deficiency, the symptoms, the parts of an illness that make you feel bad, are quite often caused by the immune system itself, or an inflammatory response of the immune system overreacting to a stimulus that wouldnt be a problem normally. when a child pitches a fit and makes himself sick he didnt suddenly contract a virus, the virus was already there, the virus will be there after he recovers, as you read this you have all sorts of viruses on you and in you and no amount of hand washing or lysol sprayed huffed or injected will remove them; the kid made himself sick as the fit provoked an inflammatory response causing the symptoms like runny nose coughing fatigue hey kid time out.

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LoneStarWinner 3 points ago +3 / -0

This virus is like a forest fire. It races through, weeding out the old and decaying trees, then it’s gone. What’s left afterwards is a healthy forest ready for new growth.

We are like California’s forest mismanagement. Creating ever more unhealthy and dangerous areas, simply because we refuse to let nature run it’s course.

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thewild1one 1 point ago +1 / -0

TLDR; getting polio, chickenpox, mumps, measles, rubella, etc. will prevent you from getting cancer? Am I reading this right?

There was a lot in there. Some made sense and some didn’t.

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Patriot_Pat 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wow, a hard read for sure but this is what I got from it. It notes these are preliminary notes, I suggest before anything goes to print they find a wordsmith to make the concepts a little more buttery as this was hard to digest. That said, I won't say what I got from it was the intended concepts at all.

Children are vaccinated before they have a chance to make a decision for themselves whether it is the right thing for them or not. Elite (rich) children are able to avoid the vaccines and their damage to their immune systems (I assume this is done by paying off a doctor for "papers" or by purchasing vaccines that are priced way too expensive for the average Joe to buy (which are really not a vaccine at all)).

The vaccines stop the normal process of clearing out of cancerous cells in our bodies, causing a rise in cancers in the population, at which point the people that made money from selling and injecting you with the vaccine make more money by offering treatments for your cancers.

In addition to the raised levels of cancers other symptoms are a sign of the damage done by vaccines to weaken our immune systems such as peanut allergies and autism symptoms.

Instead of thinking of our immune systems as something that must be vaccinated to rid ourselves of viruses and bacteria we should leave them to develop naturally so as to achieve an equilibrium with them which will cause us to be in balance with out environment and reduce the over reactions of our immune systems when presented with a new virus.

Okay, those were my takeaways... I'd have to say after watching some of the Robert Kennedy Jr. stuff about vaccinations and his questioning as to why we vaccinate a new born healthy baby with like 73 different vaccines, all before their immune systems are even fully developed, I do admit I do find some validity to the arguments presented. Though, dear lord, it needs to go through the several rewrites for clarity before it's going to gain any traction as it is just too hard to read and follow.

And again, I don't know that what I got out of it was what they intended.

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Avshalom [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Mostly got most the points. what most are stuck to is the idea that “the ideal human body is free from any bacteria or viruses or other pathogens, only clean healthy human cells nothing else, wash everything extra good stay away from dirty people or wear barriers like an extra layer of skin” none of this is true. you need viruses and bacteria like biome to process waste.

Where did viruses come from? They couldnt have evolved before cells, they need hosts to reproduce. if they evolved after cells what were they before viruses? can cells become viruses? can viruses randomly construct themselves?

From whence came this notion that viruses are alien? Even if coronavirus jumped from another species or two, what species did it jump from to those species? which was the first host?

It seems far more plausible that viruses are manmade. not manmade like synthetic from a lab. but literally produced by humans just like pheromones.

Methyl salicylate is probably produced as an anti-herbivore defense. If the plant is infected with herbivorous insects, the release of methyl salicylate may function as an aid in the recruitment of beneficial insects to kill the herbivorous insects.[8] Aside from its toxicity, methyl salicylate may also be used by plants as a pheromone to warn other plants of pathogens such as tobacco mosaic virus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_salicylate

pheromones and viruses are two channels of interindividual and even interspecies information systems. pheromones dont warn other plants of aien invader pathogens: the plants themselves release the tobacco mosaic virus to stop growth in directions that would get all the plants killed while releasing pheromones to protect good dirextion plants from the self destruct switch of the virus.