This is utterly insane. There is no way school districts can afford this crap. There is no putting the genie in the bottle. The wuflu is among us. Curve flattened and move on with life. This is absolutely assinine, but something tells me that states will only prosecute Christian schools that don't OBEY.
Limit visitors... So no way to use schools for elections. Isn't that hella convenient?
Hahahaha. I work in a school. Hallways during passing are like a stampede. This is laughable. Kids will ignore all of these just like they're currently ignoring their distance learning.
i have a friend that drives a school bus pt; they want her full-time, but she's got other irons in the fire. they simply don't have enough. our (retired) landlord does, too. the pay isn't marvelous but there are state bennies and flushes out his retirement nicely.
In CA public schools there is usually a bare 18" to the side and 0" forwards in rows of desks, or vis versa, with 2' clearance along the side of seating areas.
A normal classroom has code clearances near the exit door along back, plus areas with the teacher's table and counters/bookcases etc.
The remaining central space is seating.
Average class size is 27 kids, normally 4 rows of 7 lengthwise or 3 across of 10... And touching in the alternate direction.
And desks are between 24 and 30" average diameter.
So best outcomes:
Lengthwise seating, to get to 6' spacing for a central seat that's 18" plus 30" plus 18" to get to 5'6"-
So remove a row either side and also shove over the second side row 3 more inches on each side and we have 3 rows taking up... 19.5'- plus a side passing aisle where 6' clearance is needed too? And nearly 20 feet is already too much width for a typical class.
So that is 2.5 seats removed widthwisefor each seat.
And we can have 2 centered lengthwise rows max. That just halved the student number.
Now let's address the back and fwd tip to tail issue:
Again, we need 72" clearance both ways. That is two and a half desks removed between every student in each row. Or take out 2 and move the 3rd front and back another 18" away. For each desk in a row. Out of 7 desks lined up.
You now took out 4 of 7 desks and added 6' in length- which doesn't exist per code, so you need to remove the 3rd desk in each row.
Now you have 2 rows of 2 desks each to gain a 6' circle of clearance around each desk.
4 students can COVID-code attend out of 27 or more in a typical American public school classroom.
That is..... 7x less kids. Or 7 seats removed for each one allowed.
Outside of the single parent and daycare impossibilities here-
If this is insisted upon, the available workforce in many mfg or suburban/urban areas may drop by a third or more.
And if outside workers are not allowed into the country or legally hired, pay will need to climb sharply. Making a single income household a real possibility again.
Add rural/access to broadband dramatically expanded to accomodate remote learning. And thus grants for installing that. AND TO PROVIDE BASIC TECH ACCESS TO FAMILIES AT HOME.
This has already come up and is being looked at, and could make all the difference in being a viable option.
Now we are faced with hungry children- and shutdown school districts/govt that has already been expanding this with meals access via bi weekly pick ups by families.
If that is expanded upon in FEDERAL programs States cannot block, aka the old Welfare to feed families system, then many households would have access to basic foodstuffs every week regardless of schooling status.
It's worth considering encouraging certain Net and food access expansions NOW when the window to do so legit exists, and the CDC and States are creating widespread honest concerns for both...
Public officials nationwide need to denounce this ridiculous organization that has one job and is failing miserably to execute it. They can't seem to tell us shit about the virus, yet can continue to provide these bullshit completely inconsistent guidelines.
Apparently, the CDC just released a new statement saying it's not as spreadable via surfaces as they thought. How the fuck are you supposed to know what to believe?
Meanwhile, people consider them the GOD of science. What a joke.
I always knew this wasn't bad for kids. Why? Because we didn't notice it until it started killing our most isolated individuals, old people in nursing homes. There's no way that a virus would make it's way to Suh isolated people first, the fact it swept through nursing homes means it already moved through socially mobile people. Which means kids were never at risk, which means this is all unnecessary.
In MN, our teachers are already calling it quits early in many areas. Instead of ending in June, they are ending this Friday,
I get the feeling this is to continue online learning in the Fall, as no school could operate like this. There is not space in the classrooms for 6 feet apart, how can buses only be filled with a few students spaced apart...maybe they will implement a plan with some students attending one day and others attending the next, with distance learning overall?
This is going to leave so many students behind.
The ramifications of Covid really need to be examined. This is a virus with a high recovery rate. To upend our economy and destroy our education system over it is just foolish.
As regards children wearing masks, let alone all day 5 days a week, let me present to you our experts in NOVEMBER 2018, and even further prior below:
"Small children should not wear masks. California's Dept. of Public Health points out, "Children should not wear these masks – they do not fit properly and can impede breathing."
This is particularly true for children with breathing problems such as asthma.
"N95 respirator can make it more difficult for the wearer to breathe due to carbon dioxide buildup, which reduces the intake of oxygen, increased breathing rates and heart rates."
Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you allow your child in anything from preschool through high school be placed in or forced to wear a face mask. Period.
Additional pre-COVID medical warnings about raised CO2 when breathing and wearing masks support that it is a TERRIBLE idea for all children, let alone a mandatory school attendance requirement:
December 2017
"A person wearing any kind of mask faces breathing resistance as air filters through the device, making the wearer work harder to inhale than he would without the mask. This can have several adverse physiological effects when the mask is worn for long periods of time. Moreover, carbon dioxide that is exhaled can get trapped in the chamber of the mask the re-enter the body each time the mask user inhales. This delivers less oxygen into the body than when the person is not wearing a mask.
“It can lead to oxygen shortage, suffocation, respiration trouble, and heart attacks,” said Dr D Saha, scientist and additional director at the Central Pollution Control Board.
He pointed out that masks are a potential source of bacteria and viruses. “The moisture from exhalation inside the mask, when in constant contact with the 37 degrees Celsius warm human body, becomes ideal place for virus and bacteria to thrive,” he said. This could result in the growth of microbes on masks and aid the spread of airborne diseases like influenza."
"study found “statistically significant and meaningful reductions in decision-making performance” in test subjects as CO2 levels rose"
"The new study used a lower CO2 baseline than the earlier study. They found that, on average, a typical participant’s cognitive scores dropped 21 percent with a 400 ppm increase in CO2. Here are their astonishing findings for four of the nine cognitive functions scored in a double-blind test of the impact of elevated CO2 levels"
"As a result, NASA has already lowered the maximum allowable CO2 levels on the space station. The ISS crew surgeon who is the lead for studying the impact on astronauts of CO2 (and other gases) told Climate Progress he considers the original LBNL-SUNY study “very credible.” "
Those of us working with kids have been advocating for smaller classes and better basic hygiene training in school for DECADES now-
-and have been endlessly told it was unaffordable, impractical, not important, and-
-that it didn't make any difference in learning, when every study shows a HUGE benefit with smaller classes and lower germ spread (not none, just not multiple epidemics a year!).
The masks on the other hand- yeah no.
Look up rebreathing of CO2 and trapped germs and you'll never wear a covering mask for more than 30m of low exertion ever again!
Let alone put your growing child in one all day 😒🚫
Key and downright eye-rollingly conflicting with their "plans" info from the article:
Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom has proposed $14 billion in budget cuts because of the coronavirus, with more than half coming at the expense of public schools.
Thurmond made his remarks in advance of a virtual meeting Thursday with representatives from 1,000 districts where they will talk about “what schools are thinking they’ll have to do in terms of how they arrange students, how they arrange personnel and how they utilize a maximum amount of personal protective equipment to keep our schools safe and sanitized.”
Thurmond also said that schools have told his department that some parents want distance learning to continue.
For most people, the coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia, and death
The CDC is full of smart and dedicated scientists. But their recommendations don't fit in a nice 10 second sound bite and the people who report on them don't want to detail a 10 page report.
I bet dollars to donuts the CDC came out with a multiple tier set of guide lines focused on several factors, i.e. what is most effective, what is easiest to implement, and what will people most likely comply with? Then someone in a marketing or news department takes their 10 page report and condenses it to this.
Oh totally, that is from the cdc website but not the scientist. That is likely a 10 page review that the scientists produced then went through HR and Marketing. Scientist dont give advice like that.
This is utterly insane. There is no way school districts can afford this crap. There is no putting the genie in the bottle. The wuflu is among us. Curve flattened and move on with life. This is absolutely assinine, but something tells me that states will only prosecute Christian schools that don't OBEY.
Limit visitors... So no way to use schools for elections. Isn't that hella convenient?
Thats ok just put all the voting machines inside walmart and costco. Problem solved
It's deliberate. They don't want to end lockdown so are making rules that are impossible to maintain.
Hahahaha. I work in a school. Hallways during passing are like a stampede. This is laughable. Kids will ignore all of these just like they're currently ignoring their distance learning.
i have a friend that drives a school bus pt; they want her full-time, but she's got other irons in the fire. they simply don't have enough. our (retired) landlord does, too. the pay isn't marvelous but there are state bennies and flushes out his retirement nicely.
Well....
In CA public schools there is usually a bare 18" to the side and 0" forwards in rows of desks, or vis versa, with 2' clearance along the side of seating areas.
A normal classroom has code clearances near the exit door along back, plus areas with the teacher's table and counters/bookcases etc.
The remaining central space is seating.
Average class size is 27 kids, normally 4 rows of 7 lengthwise or 3 across of 10... And touching in the alternate direction.
And desks are between 24 and 30" average diameter.
So best outcomes:
Lengthwise seating, to get to 6' spacing for a central seat that's 18" plus 30" plus 18" to get to 5'6"-
So remove a row either side and also shove over the second side row 3 more inches on each side and we have 3 rows taking up... 19.5'- plus a side passing aisle where 6' clearance is needed too? And nearly 20 feet is already too much width for a typical class.
So that is 2.5 seats removed widthwisefor each seat.
And we can have 2 centered lengthwise rows max. That just halved the student number.
Now let's address the back and fwd tip to tail issue: Again, we need 72" clearance both ways. That is two and a half desks removed between every student in each row. Or take out 2 and move the 3rd front and back another 18" away. For each desk in a row. Out of 7 desks lined up.
You now took out 4 of 7 desks and added 6' in length- which doesn't exist per code, so you need to remove the 3rd desk in each row.
Now you have 2 rows of 2 desks each to gain a 6' circle of clearance around each desk.
4 students can COVID-code attend out of 27 or more in a typical American public school classroom.
That is..... 7x less kids. Or 7 seats removed for each one allowed.
Huh.
Can they include with this a projection of how many children might die from Covid 19 if this isn't followed
100 million per day
Somewhere between 0 and 10 billion.
😂
Probably appropriate.
Ahem...200 million per day
this is not normal
this is not normal
This is abnormal.
How will this kill the family structure?
Yes I see the same fallout - but my conclusion is that this will improve the family unit, as it habituates conscientious families to homeschool.
I am wondering....
Outside of the single parent and daycare impossibilities here-
If this is insisted upon, the available workforce in many mfg or suburban/urban areas may drop by a third or more.
And if outside workers are not allowed into the country or legally hired, pay will need to climb sharply. Making a single income household a real possibility again.
Add rural/access to broadband dramatically expanded to accomodate remote learning. And thus grants for installing that. AND TO PROVIDE BASIC TECH ACCESS TO FAMILIES AT HOME.
This has already come up and is being looked at, and could make all the difference in being a viable option.
Now we are faced with hungry children- and shutdown school districts/govt that has already been expanding this with meals access via bi weekly pick ups by families.
If that is expanded upon in FEDERAL programs States cannot block, aka the old Welfare to feed families system, then many households would have access to basic foodstuffs every week regardless of schooling status.
It's worth considering encouraging certain Net and food access expansions NOW when the window to do so legit exists, and the CDC and States are creating widespread honest concerns for both...
Public officials nationwide need to denounce this ridiculous organization that has one job and is failing miserably to execute it. They can't seem to tell us shit about the virus, yet can continue to provide these bullshit completely inconsistent guidelines.
Apparently, the CDC just released a new statement saying it's not as spreadable via surfaces as they thought. How the fuck are you supposed to know what to believe?
Meanwhile, people consider them the GOD of science. What a joke.
I think the CDC has shown how incompetent they are throughout this whole situation.
These guidelines would make it impossible for most schools to function, so looks like students will be online again in the Fall.
The ramifications of this would be far more detrimental than the virus to most families.
No one is going to do this. Kids are practically immune to china virus anyway. Unrealistic.
This is like a dentist telling you to brush your teeth every time you drink something other than water. Unrealistic.
Public schools are locally funded, which means that individual localities will decide whether to follow or ignore the rules.
LOL...H1N1 was worse and we decided to focus on dudes going into girls bathrooms/
You fuckers need to do more than bitch online and stop complying with this bullshit and
Center for Deranged Control.
Governors of liberal states will follow this to the letter. Untucking real.
These kids will have the weakest immune systems ever.
It's a modified "Prussian" schooling method. Easier to create war fodder.
And the most unlikely to get kung-flu age group. Infuriating!!
I hate clowns...
Home school your kids if at all possible! They're making automatons if they are allowed to do this
The death rate among children is 0.000000000.
But you be you, CDC.
Didn't they JUST say not easily spread by inanimate stuff... I was pissed by #2
Remind me again how may children, teens, and people in 20's died?
People have actually tracked SARS-CoV-2 spread in schools:
http://ncirs.org.au/covid-19-in-schools
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.26.20044826v1
https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19
And the take away is that it doesn't really spread. Schools should never have been closed in the first place from an epidemiological point of view.
Isolate the elderly, the fat, the diabetic -- yes, definitely. Isolate children? A completely retarded idea.
I always knew this wasn't bad for kids. Why? Because we didn't notice it until it started killing our most isolated individuals, old people in nursing homes. There's no way that a virus would make it's way to Suh isolated people first, the fact it swept through nursing homes means it already moved through socially mobile people. Which means kids were never at risk, which means this is all unnecessary.
Hahahahaah! This will work for about 30 seconds.
This is conditioning for a concentration camp
In MN, our teachers are already calling it quits early in many areas. Instead of ending in June, they are ending this Friday,
I get the feeling this is to continue online learning in the Fall, as no school could operate like this. There is not space in the classrooms for 6 feet apart, how can buses only be filled with a few students spaced apart...maybe they will implement a plan with some students attending one day and others attending the next, with distance learning overall?
This is going to leave so many students behind.
The ramifications of Covid really need to be examined. This is a virus with a high recovery rate. To upend our economy and destroy our education system over it is just foolish.
More communist controlled federal agencies, been clear from months ago with the CDC
Link to source?
Wtf is wrong with these people
And this is the New Normal.
Pretty sure what is being described here is called Prison
Average age of death is 80. What is the risk to school children?
Rainbows and unicorns
Surprise! Theres NO WAY any school can open under these guidelines!
Silver lining: no school means no indoctrination
This shit pisses me off. Im fucking tired of the left continually trying to destroy the fabric of our society.
Kids are more likely to die on their way to school than from this virus.
guidance
this is just a thought exercise
there is no double-blind study proving any of this will help
More importantly:
As regards children wearing masks, let alone all day 5 days a week, let me present to you our experts in NOVEMBER 2018, and even further prior below:
"Small children should not wear masks. California's Dept. of Public Health points out, "Children should not wear these masks – they do not fit properly and can impede breathing."
This is particularly true for children with breathing problems such as asthma.
"N95 respirator can make it more difficult for the wearer to breathe due to carbon dioxide buildup, which reduces the intake of oxygen, increased breathing rates and heart rates."
https://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/article/n95-masks-county-health-safe-advice-doctor-13399569.php
Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you allow your child in anything from preschool through high school be placed in or forced to wear a face mask. Period.
Additional pre-COVID medical warnings about raised CO2 when breathing and wearing masks support that it is a TERRIBLE idea for all children, let alone a mandatory school attendance requirement:
December 2017
"A person wearing any kind of mask faces breathing resistance as air filters through the device, making the wearer work harder to inhale than he would without the mask. This can have several adverse physiological effects when the mask is worn for long periods of time. Moreover, carbon dioxide that is exhaled can get trapped in the chamber of the mask the re-enter the body each time the mask user inhales. This delivers less oxygen into the body than when the person is not wearing a mask.
“It can lead to oxygen shortage, suffocation, respiration trouble, and heart attacks,” said Dr D Saha, scientist and additional director at the Central Pollution Control Board.
He pointed out that masks are a potential source of bacteria and viruses. “The moisture from exhalation inside the mask, when in constant contact with the 37 degrees Celsius warm human body, becomes ideal place for virus and bacteria to thrive,” he said. This could result in the growth of microbes on masks and aid the spread of airborne diseases like influenza."
https://scroll.in/pulse/860276/no-good-choices-a-mask-may-block-out-some-pollution-but-have-other-ill-health-effects
And
October 2015
"study found “statistically significant and meaningful reductions in decision-making performance” in test subjects as CO2 levels rose"
"The new study used a lower CO2 baseline than the earlier study. They found that, on average, a typical participant’s cognitive scores dropped 21 percent with a 400 ppm increase in CO2. Here are their astonishing findings for four of the nine cognitive functions scored in a double-blind test of the impact of elevated CO2 levels"
"As a result, NASA has already lowered the maximum allowable CO2 levels on the space station. The ISS crew surgeon who is the lead for studying the impact on astronauts of CO2 (and other gases) told Climate Progress he considers the original LBNL-SUNY study “very credible.” "
https://archive.thinkprogress.org/exclusive-elevated-co2-levels-directly-affect-human-cognition-new-harvard-study-shows-2748e7378941/
This is absolutely HILARIOUS-
Those of us working with kids have been advocating for smaller classes and better basic hygiene training in school for DECADES now-
-and have been endlessly told it was unaffordable, impractical, not important, and- -that it didn't make any difference in learning, when every study shows a HUGE benefit with smaller classes and lower germ spread (not none, just not multiple epidemics a year!).
The masks on the other hand- yeah no. Look up rebreathing of CO2 and trapped germs and you'll never wear a covering mask for more than 30m of low exertion ever again! Let alone put your growing child in one all day 😒🚫
Key and downright eye-rollingly conflicting with their "plans" info from the article:
Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom has proposed $14 billion in budget cuts because of the coronavirus, with more than half coming at the expense of public schools.
Thurmond made his remarks in advance of a virtual meeting Thursday with representatives from 1,000 districts where they will talk about “what schools are thinking they’ll have to do in terms of how they arrange students, how they arrange personnel and how they utilize a maximum amount of personal protective equipment to keep our schools safe and sanitized.”
Thurmond also said that schools have told his department that some parents want distance learning to continue.
For most people, the coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia, and death
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/california-3/state-schools-boss-expect-masks-sanitizer-smaller-classes/2293961/?fbclid=IwAR0Wi2k0pw8o5LAbeuM0ddoyM7-1YKY0AdLltEUqMYowGKPGZT7ZKC1jmq4
Way to support home schooling! Public school sounds worse than prison.
As Rush says "skrewl."
Fuck the CDC
Homeschool is looking very good right now, I have to say. These rules are too crazy.
They're more like guide-lines than actual rules.
CDC is full of political losers and crazy people. Good thing we've always homeschooled.
This is rich. I want to see what the teacher union says. This will never fly.
It seems like an awfully long list to accomplish absolutely nothing.
And they probably think the kids are naive for believing in Santa.
If they think Gen Z is based, just wait til we have an entire generation of kids raised with homeschooling due to all public schools closing.
Deluded commie puppet faggots are digging their own graves with this horseshit.
These dipshit aren't even human if they are this detached from real I.
The CDC is full of smart and dedicated scientists. But their recommendations don't fit in a nice 10 second sound bite and the people who report on them don't want to detail a 10 page report.
I bet dollars to donuts the CDC came out with a multiple tier set of guide lines focused on several factors, i.e. what is most effective, what is easiest to implement, and what will people most likely comply with? Then someone in a marketing or news department takes their 10 page report and condenses it to this.
Oh totally, that is from the cdc website but not the scientist. That is likely a 10 page review that the scientists produced then went through HR and Marketing. Scientist dont give advice like that.