Tin foil hat time, but I get a sense the whole reason the fed is staying hands off is because they want the states to sink or swim on their own over this.
If they come bail the blue states out, there is nothing stopping those states from doing this again for any reason they can dream up. That's been a lot of people's biggest fear in all of this.
If the state fails, that's a pretty big disincentive for ever shutting your state down over a bug again.
If the state legislature starts to do its job again and protect its citizens, or the citizens manage to pull this thing out themselves with civil disobedience, then there won't be anyone who has the power over them to do it again in the future.
From that point of view, the fed has no reason to come help right now. Which is why Trump tweeted out those "liberate" messages a few weeks back. Those people need to take action. Get out in the streets. File lawsuits against the governers. Make them own this.
Oh I agree bro, no bailouts. That's not what I mean. I mean Barr needs to put his money where his fat mouth is and have federal prosecutors file charges against governors of blue states.
I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of how this works, but if a blue state has a tyrant governor, and both the legislature and judicial branch refuse to stop him, I think the feds can step in to protect the constitution. Because the other option is revolution which isn't ideal
I agree that revolution isn't ideal at all. And I think you kind of hit it on the nose as to what the real problem is here. No one knows what to do in this situation. No one knows where the governor's powers begin and end, which is why they are flexing the way they are, and some of them are getting smacked down by judges.
In Illinois you have one or two senators who have finally said enough is enough and started pushing back and are finding quite a bit of success in it. Same goes for that barber in Michigan. You'd expect all the Republicans would galvanize and fight back since they have to be able to see that they would win, but they aren't yet. Same goes for all the rest of those blue states. The opposition party needs to nut up and start actually being opposition. Stop being afraid of the part of the population of the state that is terrified to leave their homes, and start defending the people who want to get back to work. How do you hold their feet to the fire? God only knows.
MN went from having a 2.1 billion dollar surplus to a 2 billion dollar deficit (and its climbing) because no one is working. Yet these stupid ass cucks are praising Walz like he is the second coming. Meanwhile businesses are closing left and right all over the metro.
I'm for federalism, not a confederation. If the governor of a state is denying constitutional rights to his people and both the legislature and the courts fail to check the governor, the feds have some say in the matter.
States don't have the right to shut down the country and deny us our constitutional rights just like the feds don't have the right. If it takes the feds stepping in to enforce the constitution then I'm all for it.
I'm an agnostic who happily hasn't been to a church service in years. But this whole denial of the right to freely exercise one's religion, the punishing of pastors and parishioners—in direct flagrant violation of the first right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights—WHILE LEAVING MOSQUES COMPLETELY ALONE—chills me to the bone.
I want a tidal wave of continent-sized lawsuits over the aggressive state suppression of the right to free worship to rampage through state houses and police departments like a viral contagion. Even better would be for the perpetrators to be forced to serve time behind bars for their crimes, to lose THEIR freedom for a change. Bet they'd never do this shit again.
Lastly, a question.
WHY AM I—A NAMELESS AGNOSTIC NOBODY—THE ONLY PERSON ASKING WHY MOSQUES AND ISLAMIC SUPREMACISTS ARE LEFT COMPLETELY ALONE, WHILE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS ARE PERSECUTED AND PROSECUTED FOR ATTENDING WORSHIP SERVICES—IN THE FUCKING UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA???
Feds gotta step in to liberate the blue states
Tin foil hat time, but I get a sense the whole reason the fed is staying hands off is because they want the states to sink or swim on their own over this.
If they come bail the blue states out, there is nothing stopping those states from doing this again for any reason they can dream up. That's been a lot of people's biggest fear in all of this.
If the state fails, that's a pretty big disincentive for ever shutting your state down over a bug again.
If the state legislature starts to do its job again and protect its citizens, or the citizens manage to pull this thing out themselves with civil disobedience, then there won't be anyone who has the power over them to do it again in the future.
From that point of view, the fed has no reason to come help right now. Which is why Trump tweeted out those "liberate" messages a few weeks back. Those people need to take action. Get out in the streets. File lawsuits against the governers. Make them own this.
Oh I agree bro, no bailouts. That's not what I mean. I mean Barr needs to put his money where his fat mouth is and have federal prosecutors file charges against governors of blue states.
I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of how this works, but if a blue state has a tyrant governor, and both the legislature and judicial branch refuse to stop him, I think the feds can step in to protect the constitution. Because the other option is revolution which isn't ideal
I agree that revolution isn't ideal at all. And I think you kind of hit it on the nose as to what the real problem is here. No one knows what to do in this situation. No one knows where the governor's powers begin and end, which is why they are flexing the way they are, and some of them are getting smacked down by judges.
In Illinois you have one or two senators who have finally said enough is enough and started pushing back and are finding quite a bit of success in it. Same goes for that barber in Michigan. You'd expect all the Republicans would galvanize and fight back since they have to be able to see that they would win, but they aren't yet. Same goes for all the rest of those blue states. The opposition party needs to nut up and start actually being opposition. Stop being afraid of the part of the population of the state that is terrified to leave their homes, and start defending the people who want to get back to work. How do you hold their feet to the fire? God only knows.
Preach it
Oh, I think if the Fed stays out of it all the hate will fall on the blue Governors and people are getting furious with them. Red wave incoming,
MN went from having a 2.1 billion dollar surplus to a 2 billion dollar deficit (and its climbing) because no one is working. Yet these stupid ass cucks are praising Walz like he is the second coming. Meanwhile businesses are closing left and right all over the metro.
I'm for federalism, not a confederation. If the governor of a state is denying constitutional rights to his people and both the legislature and the courts fail to check the governor, the feds have some say in the matter.
Fucking well put.
States don't have the right to shut down the country and deny us our constitutional rights just like the feds don't have the right. If it takes the feds stepping in to enforce the constitution then I'm all for it.
This is logical thinking.
I'm an agnostic who happily hasn't been to a church service in years. But this whole denial of the right to freely exercise one's religion, the punishing of pastors and parishioners—in direct flagrant violation of the first right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights—WHILE LEAVING MOSQUES COMPLETELY ALONE—chills me to the bone.
I want a tidal wave of continent-sized lawsuits over the aggressive state suppression of the right to free worship to rampage through state houses and police departments like a viral contagion. Even better would be for the perpetrators to be forced to serve time behind bars for their crimes, to lose THEIR freedom for a change. Bet they'd never do this shit again.
Lastly, a question.
WHY AM I—A NAMELESS AGNOSTIC NOBODY—THE ONLY PERSON ASKING WHY MOSQUES AND ISLAMIC SUPREMACISTS ARE LEFT COMPLETELY ALONE, WHILE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS ARE PERSECUTED AND PROSECUTED FOR ATTENDING WORSHIP SERVICES—IN THE FUCKING UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA???
They know that Christians won't fight back.
Literally the worst poster on TD
A few of us have noticed. I don't think the mods have though.
Lol somebody pointed it out to me a couple weeks ago. I never "check" anyone's username but happened to check that comment because of how bad it was.