The crap this Communist pope spews is the reason I'm a protestant. I don't believe that anyone is an infallible representative of God...I believe that every person has their own direct, individual connection with God above. I don't need some 80-year-old Marxist interceding on my behalf.
From what little I’ve heard about the current Pope (I’m not Catholic), I’m not surprised one bit. This is a trail run for climate change to suppress the masses. The end goal, population control.
I feel the same. Archbishop cupich in Chicago supporting continued shutdown and saying he’ll ignore the president saying churches need to open. My local parish is going broke. Cupich following directions from limousine liberals that attend his church.
I feel you dude. Cupich is an anti-bishop. Evil person. Absolutely disgusting how he works with the political elites to assist them in their evil deeds.
A person who denies Christ repeatedly and worships false religions, which are of devils, is not a Catholic. Francis is head of the Vatican II not the Catholic Church since you cannot be leader of a group you're not a member of. The Vatican is a liberal organization that has united the world religions in Assisi and consistently went against Catholic doctrine at every opportunity.
The rosary is endless repetitive idolotry to a dead lady that can't hear your prayers and couldn't do anything if she could.
And yes it's idolotry. Call it veneration, call it idolotry, whatever word exactly that you want to use to call the act, the act itself is a spiritual appeal to an entity other than God. That's idolotry by even the weakest definition of idolotry.
Protestants frequently tend to be even worse than Catholics when it comes to Popes.
Look at your church. Is there more than one location branded with your particular churches name? If so then there's a governing body presiding over them (or a "magistrate" as the Catholics put it) because it's too big for any one guy. And if there's a governing body somewhere up there is a guy in a fancy suit in a fancy office who is the church's final say in official church doctrine and dogma. You may not call him Pope, you may not call him "His holiness" or "infallible" but let's call a thing what it is he's the Pope of your church, anything less is lying to yourself.
And as far as that goes, if there's a sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church there's a public name and face I can point to and say "you're responsible for this" in the Protestant Churches their Pope is a namless faceless guy behind a curtain that won't become named or seen if there was a sexual abuse scandal on his watch.
So there's that: something to be said for the guy that's the public face of scandal whether he wants to be or not as opposed to the man behind the curtain. And at least Catholics are that honest about having a Pope. Protestants can really learn a lot from that.
To all Protestants: say what you want about the Pope, it's more than fair and you're probably right but careful what you say lest you impune your own church's leadership
The last thing Benedict did as Pope was leave the results of his internal investigations into priests fucking children. There are 2 possibilities:
He knew what was in it and resigned because he knew he wasn't for for office because his name was there
He resigned because the whole system was so corrupt he wanted nothing to do with it.
If he was in the clear and had nothing to lose there's no reason Benedict couldn't stay in office and release the results. It would have vindicated him as a good Pope. That's not what happened, so Benedict is/was full of shit
Have you already forgotten how corrupt the deep state is? They dont have to have any true facts on you to try and destroy you and get rid of you. Have you missed the last 3 years? Its not everybody who has Trumps stamina to endure all that bs, furthurmore fighting soros, obama, clinton and the deepstate cartels' lies for years would have caused much more damaged than anything else.
Fucking children huh? With an argumnent like that, you were never a Catholic, you're just like every other poser who says bs like "l left being a republican because Trump did blah blah blah". Enjoy your new islamic faith.
He didnt abandon it, he was coerced and forced to resign by obama, soros, hillary and the deep state. Know facts or keep your fucking bs insults to yourself. K thanks bye.
From what I heard they were just using Benedict for cover. They had him as the conservative figure head with no power and they were running their nasty canal around him. He refused to be a puppet. He made them own their filth by stepping down. That’s the theory. I don’t know if it’s true or if it was the right answer.
Eyeing that same move once the shutdown passes! (Actually I suspect the local Orthodox Church is still having mass, but since I’m not a member yet I don’t want to insinuate myself quite yet.) Pretty excited to try it out. All the insanity with the RC church became too much for me.
You do realize the Orthodox is in bed with the Vatican II right? There is only one true Church and its numbers are few while many of the damned, such as the Vatican II, claim otherwise.
Imagine if he stayed in and ripped these commies infesting the church a new asshole? Purge the church, hit the bricks, commies. Latin rite. Ad Orientem. No gays in seminaries. Back to basics.
It makes sense that eventually there would be a Pope Emeritus though. Yeah it was traditionally for life, but so too was the position ofbishop and and now bishops resigning due to age became commonly accepted (it's even mandatory now once they hit 75). I think the difference between a pope resigning and a dad resigning is that canon law allows the pope to resign and has provisions for priests being dispensed from the obligations of the priesthood. But for a parent to "resign" is something the Church cannot allow since those duties come from natural law and the Church cannot dispense from natural law.
A pope can speak in both a fallible and infallible manner. When they are speaking in an infallible manner, it is called "ex cathedra". Using the US government as an example, Trump can say he wants Voter ID but it isn't law because he didn't give an executive order. If Trump does require Voter ID through an executive order then it does become law as long as the order was constitutional and lawful.
It is somewhat similar with the pope. He can't just say whatever he wants and it is automatically law. Any statement or order must be lawful by the Church's standards. Another thing is that the Catholic Church automatically revokes the position of a Catholic if they commit heresy after having been informed of their error or if their error is so great and obvious that it cannot be ignored. Thus they would be ineligible for pope whether before being elected or after as long as they adhere to whatever heresy they teach.
The Catholic Encyclopedia, “Heresy,” 1914, Vol. 7, p. 261: “The pope
himself, if notoriously guilty of heresy, would cease to be pope
because he would cease to be a member of the Church.”
This is because the person in question have broken the law much like how felons in the US have broken the law and become ineligible for office.
Much like the US adheres to the Constitution, all Catholics adhere to a code of laws and ethics, the Word of God, regardless of their position so the only real disagreement would be when someone goes against the Word. Otherwise its either an opinion or, if the pope was speaking "ex cathedra", an order that all Catholics should obey if it is lawful. When the order is lawful then everyone must obey it because it is the correct interpretation of the Word of God according to the promise of Jesus Christ.
It should be noted that not everyone who err becomes a heretic but if what you say conflicts with something as basic as the Apostle's Creed then you have become a heretic.
There are different levels of teaching. The pope's job is not to make teaching up but to teach that which has been passed down to him through previous generations of bishops from the Apostles and ultimately from Christ (this is called "Tradition", i.e. Christ taught the Apostles, the Apostles taught their disciples and so on through the ages). This tradition is authoritative since it is Christ's teaching. Then the pope would interpret or define the teaching to apply it to new circumstances that may arise (such as the discovery of the ovum) much as the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution. This is done in formal documents.
Then there are things that are pastoral, such as a sermon or homily, where the pope is giving a spiritual reflection or applying a teaching to every day life. These are to be respected but are not binding, though he may be repeating doctrine that is itself binding (e.g. if the pope says in a Sunday homily that it is wrong to kill an innocent person, his homily is not authoritative but the teaching that killing someone is wrong is authoritative.
Then there is the rare case where a pope "solemnly defines" a doctrine. This is where he formally interprets a point of doctrine in a way that is binding and definitive.
Finally there are mixed cases of teaching and personal opinion. For example if Pope Francis says that human activity causes global warming and that Christians have an obligation to take care of the environment and consider the impact of their activities on the poor, then the first part of that statement is his opinion while the second part is him repeating accepted Church teaching.
Does anyone know if only X-tian churches were shut down for the Commie Flu. OR, said another way; did Mosques and Synagogs get shut down as well, for the ChiCom Flu?
Ex Cathedra: Jesus' warning on harming children is explicit and dire it's better to have a millstone around your neck and be thrown into the abyss than to harm a child. It doesn't matter what a former Pope said, it doesn't matter what any council said nothing overrides Jesus nothing changes his warning, it's wrong to shelter priests that screw children. Pedopriests have no welcome and no safety in this church you will be found, you will be defrocked, you will be turned in to the authorities.
But he doesn't.
And until that day comes that's why I can't call myself Catholic. Grandma you might not like that choice but I know you understand.
I see St. Francis as basically a medieval hippie. If he were alive today, he'd probably be a member of Antifa or some gay liberation theology crap...which is why leftist clergy like him. I've seen it up close and personal. I went to a Catholic high school which was the result of a merger of a Carmelite and a Franciscan high school. The Carmelites struck me as well disciplined men of deep faith. The Franciscans took their faith about as seriously as their founder...that is not at all. It also makes sense that the Carmelites would be more disciplined because they started as soldiers. They were crusaders who went to the holy land to liberate it from the muslims. As the story goes, the Virgin Mary appeared to them and this group of soldiers became a monastic order. I'm perfectly open to changing my perception of St. Francis, but I think there's a reason why leftists are drawn to him.
This all becomes much easier when you read the Bible and realize we don't need a man-made intercessor, because we already have the best one - the Holy Spirit.
Any man who tells you that you need a go-between for you and God is a liar and charlatan.
Practically, we can understand what He told the Apostles, because that's what we call the Gospels. The first four books of the NT are littered with Christ correcting and teaching His Apostles. Far into His ministry they were still confused as to who He was (simply a prophet, the suffering Messiah, or the conquering Messiah? In Judaism those were taught to be two separate people).
Secondly, who gave authority to the Apostles? Christ. And who gives Christ His authority? The Father. John 1:1 explicitly states that God, Christ, and the Word were together and one. Therefore the authority of men, which was given by Christ, cannot lord over the written Word. Christ also testifies to this fact in John 5:39.
Be wary of any man pretending they have special knowledge/authority of salvation or atonement. That belongs to Christ alone, as it is written.
This post is in pretty bad taste. Trump is the leader of the United States and has prevented America from following the footsteps of the world. A person who is a non-Catholic and ineligible for pope should not be called one even if it is meant to be a funny "meme". We should respect the position of Christ's vicar regardless of its status.
He’s too busy kissing Muslim ass.
And hating Jesus.
The crap this Communist pope spews is the reason I'm a protestant. I don't believe that anyone is an infallible representative of God...I believe that every person has their own direct, individual connection with God above. I don't need some 80-year-old Marxist interceding on my behalf.
Ding ding ding ding
Literal laugh, bravo
He hid in his city/country with all the boys in the basement...
He hid in those boys’ “basements”.
That's because he's a commie. Dead serious.
From what little I’ve heard about the current Pope (I’m not Catholic), I’m not surprised one bit. This is a trail run for climate change to suppress the masses. The end goal, population control.
It’s probably a sign of the times that a political figure is standing up for Christianity and the leader of the Catholic Church isn’t.
I feel the same. Archbishop cupich in Chicago supporting continued shutdown and saying he’ll ignore the president saying churches need to open. My local parish is going broke. Cupich following directions from limousine liberals that attend his church.
I feel you dude. Cupich is an anti-bishop. Evil person. Absolutely disgusting how he works with the political elites to assist them in their evil deeds.
Washington State too
A person who denies Christ repeatedly and worships false religions, which are of devils, is not a Catholic. Francis is head of the Vatican II not the Catholic Church since you cannot be leader of a group you're not a member of. The Vatican is a liberal organization that has united the world religions in Assisi and consistently went against Catholic doctrine at every opportunity.
Great username!
WHORE-je Bergolio is a cultural rapist! CHURCH MILITANT DOT COM!
The Whore-he of Babylonio
The rosary is endless repetitive idolotry to a dead lady that can't hear your prayers and couldn't do anything if she could.
And yes it's idolotry. Call it veneration, call it idolotry, whatever word exactly that you want to use to call the act, the act itself is a spiritual appeal to an entity other than God. That's idolotry by even the weakest definition of idolotry.
UH OH It's anuddah Thirty Years' War up in this bitch
Edgy. Faggot.
true.
But Maria is the exception somehow to them
But the pope is the exception somehow to them
https://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/23.htm
Protestants frequently tend to be even worse than Catholics when it comes to Popes.
Look at your church. Is there more than one location branded with your particular churches name? If so then there's a governing body presiding over them (or a "magistrate" as the Catholics put it) because it's too big for any one guy. And if there's a governing body somewhere up there is a guy in a fancy suit in a fancy office who is the church's final say in official church doctrine and dogma. You may not call him Pope, you may not call him "His holiness" or "infallible" but let's call a thing what it is he's the Pope of your church, anything less is lying to yourself.
And as far as that goes, if there's a sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church there's a public name and face I can point to and say "you're responsible for this" in the Protestant Churches their Pope is a namless faceless guy behind a curtain that won't become named or seen if there was a sexual abuse scandal on his watch.
So there's that: something to be said for the guy that's the public face of scandal whether he wants to be or not as opposed to the man behind the curtain. And at least Catholics are that honest about having a Pope. Protestants can really learn a lot from that.
To all Protestants: say what you want about the Pope, it's more than fair and you're probably right but careful what you say lest you impune your own church's leadership
you completely ignored what Jesus said? don't you call the pope father?
No. Not even when I was Catholic
the issue is people calling him "holy father", so I'm not sure why you replied if you aren't one of them.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffcm&q=holy+father
this is hilarious. the first link that shows for me is the vatican about the pope.
So sad.
Better than the current fake pope.
The kiddie rapist
To my knowledge there have never been any accusations against Francis/Bergoglio.
they pay to have the ones that get caught "moved" and "rehabilitated" You think they wont go both barrels to protect their beloved pope?
As a Catholic I love this. This pope is so liberal.
The current pope is so off in left field, one can no longer use "Is the pope Catholic?" to elude to something being obvious.
Benedict # stillmypope
The last thing Benedict did as Pope was leave the results of his internal investigations into priests fucking children. There are 2 possibilities:
He knew what was in it and resigned because he knew he wasn't for for office because his name was there
He resigned because the whole system was so corrupt he wanted nothing to do with it.
If he was in the clear and had nothing to lose there's no reason Benedict couldn't stay in office and release the results. It would have vindicated him as a good Pope. That's not what happened, so Benedict is/was full of shit
That's why I stopped being Catholic
Have you already forgotten how corrupt the deep state is? They dont have to have any true facts on you to try and destroy you and get rid of you. Have you missed the last 3 years? Its not everybody who has Trumps stamina to endure all that bs, furthurmore fighting soros, obama, clinton and the deepstate cartels' lies for years would have caused much more damaged than anything else.
Fucking children huh? With an argumnent like that, you were never a Catholic, you're just like every other poser who says bs like "l left being a republican because Trump did blah blah blah". Enjoy your new islamic faith.
He didnt abandon it, he was coerced and forced to resign by obama, soros, hillary and the deep state. Know facts or keep your fucking bs insults to yourself. K thanks bye.
https://busy.org/@theswiftness/wikileaks-conservative-pope-benedict-was-forced-to-resign-by-deep-state
From what I heard they were just using Benedict for cover. They had him as the conservative figure head with no power and they were running their nasty canal around him. He refused to be a puppet. He made them own their filth by stepping down. That’s the theory. I don’t know if it’s true or if it was the right answer.
Eyeing that same move once the shutdown passes! (Actually I suspect the local Orthodox Church is still having mass, but since I’m not a member yet I don’t want to insinuate myself quite yet.) Pretty excited to try it out. All the insanity with the RC church became too much for me.
Find a nice Latin Rite mass somewhere? Don't give up on RC, we can't have them go full SJW
rethink this
Which part and why?
You do realize the Orthodox is in bed with the Vatican II right? There is only one true Church and its numbers are few while many of the damned, such as the Vatican II, claim otherwise.
QUALITY BANTZ, patriot.
Imagine if he stayed in and ripped these commies infesting the church a new asshole? Purge the church, hit the bricks, commies. Latin rite. Ad Orientem. No gays in seminaries. Back to basics.
I gotta concur with Sarlaccpitmaster.
It makes sense that eventually there would be a Pope Emeritus though. Yeah it was traditionally for life, but so too was the position ofbishop and and now bishops resigning due to age became commonly accepted (it's even mandatory now once they hit 75). I think the difference between a pope resigning and a dad resigning is that canon law allows the pope to resign and has provisions for priests being dispensed from the obligations of the priesthood. But for a parent to "resign" is something the Church cannot allow since those duties come from natural law and the Church cannot dispense from natural law.
Beware of false prophets wasn't a message for the nonbelievers.
Real Catholics dont support planned parenthood.
Since she’s a “Baby Killer” Catholic, you’d think she would be deeply ashamed to mention her faith. You’d be wrong.
I keep waiting to see her call out her flying monkeys.
Should've been addressed a long time ago, but at least something was said.
He's a Presbyterian and he'd still make a better Pope than Francis the Commie.
As in reformed or not reformed?
Now you're talking! 👍😂
Chorus of Daaleks:
Maybe he could do it in Prague again? Gotta pump those defenestration numbers up, those are rookie numbers.
I hope Trump knows how the Vatican is conspiring against him for the election.
Question for Catholics: What happens if there’s a church teaching you don’t agree with or an edict that you disagree with from a pope?
I don’t mean any offense, I’m just curious about how a Catholic would wrestle with it.
A pope can speak in both a fallible and infallible manner. When they are speaking in an infallible manner, it is called "ex cathedra". Using the US government as an example, Trump can say he wants Voter ID but it isn't law because he didn't give an executive order. If Trump does require Voter ID through an executive order then it does become law as long as the order was constitutional and lawful.
It is somewhat similar with the pope. He can't just say whatever he wants and it is automatically law. Any statement or order must be lawful by the Church's standards. Another thing is that the Catholic Church automatically revokes the position of a Catholic if they commit heresy after having been informed of their error or if their error is so great and obvious that it cannot be ignored. Thus they would be ineligible for pope whether before being elected or after as long as they adhere to whatever heresy they teach.
This is because the person in question have broken the law much like how felons in the US have broken the law and become ineligible for office.
Much like the US adheres to the Constitution, all Catholics adhere to a code of laws and ethics, the Word of God, regardless of their position so the only real disagreement would be when someone goes against the Word. Otherwise its either an opinion or, if the pope was speaking "ex cathedra", an order that all Catholics should obey if it is lawful. When the order is lawful then everyone must obey it because it is the correct interpretation of the Word of God according to the promise of Jesus Christ.
It should be noted that not everyone who err becomes a heretic but if what you say conflicts with something as basic as the Apostle's Creed then you have become a heretic.
Did JB ever respond to the Dubia?
There are different levels of teaching. The pope's job is not to make teaching up but to teach that which has been passed down to him through previous generations of bishops from the Apostles and ultimately from Christ (this is called "Tradition", i.e. Christ taught the Apostles, the Apostles taught their disciples and so on through the ages). This tradition is authoritative since it is Christ's teaching. Then the pope would interpret or define the teaching to apply it to new circumstances that may arise (such as the discovery of the ovum) much as the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution. This is done in formal documents.
Then there are things that are pastoral, such as a sermon or homily, where the pope is giving a spiritual reflection or applying a teaching to every day life. These are to be respected but are not binding, though he may be repeating doctrine that is itself binding (e.g. if the pope says in a Sunday homily that it is wrong to kill an innocent person, his homily is not authoritative but the teaching that killing someone is wrong is authoritative.
Then there is the rare case where a pope "solemnly defines" a doctrine. This is where he formally interprets a point of doctrine in a way that is binding and definitive.
Finally there are mixed cases of teaching and personal opinion. For example if Pope Francis says that human activity causes global warming and that Christians have an obligation to take care of the environment and consider the impact of their activities on the poor, then the first part of that statement is his opinion while the second part is him repeating accepted Church teaching.
So this would make Pence, Kayleigh, Pompeo and Grenell the Bishops?
remember when the media and neverTrumpers tried to criticize Trump for not being religious?
Does anyone know if only X-tian churches were shut down for the Commie Flu. OR, said another way; did Mosques and Synagogs get shut down as well, for the ChiCom Flu?
Tomorrow is C-day (Church-day)... Let's see how many a-hole governors are in the U.S.
The Pope at any moment he chooses could say
Ex Cathedra: Jesus' warning on harming children is explicit and dire it's better to have a millstone around your neck and be thrown into the abyss than to harm a child. It doesn't matter what a former Pope said, it doesn't matter what any council said nothing overrides Jesus nothing changes his warning, it's wrong to shelter priests that screw children. Pedopriests have no welcome and no safety in this church you will be found, you will be defrocked, you will be turned in to the authorities.
But he doesn't.
And until that day comes that's why I can't call myself Catholic. Grandma you might not like that choice but I know you understand.
Gotta start going to Latin Mass and hang out with some trad cats. But yeah fuck those commie pedofreaks.
Pope Trump YES
That's one crazy Pope!!!
Pope MAGA the 1st
If people want to continue going to church, let them. No one's forcing you to go to church with them, stay at home like the brainwashed sheep you are.
Amazing, gotta love Trump! I love his pro Christian stance. <3
Better than comrade Francis. I knew Francis was gonna be a fag just by his name. St Francis of Assisi was a degenerate...not a saint in my book.
what's your beef with St F?
I see St. Francis as basically a medieval hippie. If he were alive today, he'd probably be a member of Antifa or some gay liberation theology crap...which is why leftist clergy like him. I've seen it up close and personal. I went to a Catholic high school which was the result of a merger of a Carmelite and a Franciscan high school. The Carmelites struck me as well disciplined men of deep faith. The Franciscans took their faith about as seriously as their founder...that is not at all. It also makes sense that the Carmelites would be more disciplined because they started as soldiers. They were crusaders who went to the holy land to liberate it from the muslims. As the story goes, the Virgin Mary appeared to them and this group of soldiers became a monastic order. I'm perfectly open to changing my perception of St. Francis, but I think there's a reason why leftists are drawn to him.
Trump becoming pope is the only way I'd leave my 25 years of atheism and return to catholicism.
This all becomes much easier when you read the Bible and realize we don't need a man-made intercessor, because we already have the best one - the Holy Spirit.
Any man who tells you that you need a go-between for you and God is a liar and charlatan.
Practically, we can understand what He told the Apostles, because that's what we call the Gospels. The first four books of the NT are littered with Christ correcting and teaching His Apostles. Far into His ministry they were still confused as to who He was (simply a prophet, the suffering Messiah, or the conquering Messiah? In Judaism those were taught to be two separate people).
Secondly, who gave authority to the Apostles? Christ. And who gives Christ His authority? The Father. John 1:1 explicitly states that God, Christ, and the Word were together and one. Therefore the authority of men, which was given by Christ, cannot lord over the written Word. Christ also testifies to this fact in John 5:39.
Be wary of any man pretending they have special knowledge/authority of salvation or atonement. That belongs to Christ alone, as it is written.
This post is in pretty bad taste. Trump is the leader of the United States and has prevented America from following the footsteps of the world. A person who is a non-Catholic and ineligible for pope should not be called one even if it is meant to be a funny "meme". We should respect the position of Christ's vicar regardless of its status.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "naw".
There are no "sacred cows" here.
"A simple layman armed with Scripture is greater than the mightiest pope without it." - Martin Luther
Luther was one freaky man. Which doesn't make him wrong, but check him out, it's actually pretty funny