Yeah, wells and septic systems are a major PITA, when it comes to regulations, permits, etc. While burdensome, these "barriers" are actually a good thing. Think of your neighbors shit field leeching into your well type of thing. Then there's wells that contaminate other wells or the entire aquifer if not installed properly.
We should have standards, but the point of entry into an industry shouldn't require dedicating years of your life to with little to no option to switch or transition to something else. This is exactly why we have so many people who find themselves in unfulfilling careers and unable to change so easily and why unemployment is so high and incomes stay stagnant.
You can absolutely change careers. I changed careers multiple times and I know many others who have done the same. Not everything is easy and it wasn't easy for boomers either. In fact, the farther back in time you go, the harder life was in general.
The county generally approves a perk test and septic tank plan beforehand and accepts or rejects the job after completion.
In some locales you will also face almost impossible competition unless you have a monority partner and/or jump through a few other "social" hoops. Quite a few counties also make it tough to run a business out of your home, which means the expense of a commercial space to operate legally.
I live rurally, I put up a shop building and it's about 1/8th mile from my house. I looked into adding a well and small septic system just for a shitter and some gray water. Just the permits alone were dizzying. So I collect condensate water from the dehumidifier for rinsing, washing, I piss outside if I have to and I have a composting toilet should I need.
Having a seperate commercial space is not a bad idea. Imagine if there's a fire in the shop. Do you want that fire hitting your house at the same time? Imagine the fire starts in your house. You get out, your house goes down, but the shop is still good to go. At least you still have a livelyhood to rebuild your house with.
That only applies to work where you are doing things that can cause fires. I used to work for a guy who started his own Real Estate firm and house flipping business. He was required to have an office that was not his house. So he had to buy commercial property that he never used. I was his only employee and did all the work in his basement.
Yes, it is handy, especially out here. No hydrants and all you can do is watch it burn before they get here. My property is wooded, the house is down in a ravine, the shop is up by the road.
All of this could be solved with a simple INSPECTION prior to start of use.
You call the state, tell em you need an inspector in about a week time. You can install it. Hook it up. Run a test. They send over someone after that week to test it all again. Make sure it's up to regulations. Everything good to go you bury that tank and DONE!
Not good? You pay a fine for the waste of time. You redo it or hire it out if you got too many citations. To many faults and you get a ban from engaging in the business.
You do not need all this extra shit. That is just there to stop competition. If you tracked that legislation you will see ONE THING. Donations and Contribution from "Big Poop" to local administrators.
Part of inspection process is knowing of the person overseeing the job understands the regulations that the inspector has to go over. If the inspector spots something that needs fixed, it's much less a hassle if the overseer can understand the inspector. Usually small errors are done by the help, details they haven't quite picked up on or don't yet care enough about.
Hell, some states require you be on an inspector's level before you can operate a business in the field. Getting to that level just requires working in the field until you can prove through testing that you understand the means and measure of the regulations.
There is a handbook. It's very detailed. Veeeery detailed. It will put you to sleep in a heartbeat. Most of what you have to learn you learn through doing. It's been years since I took my swing at an apprenticeship. There was a time I was supposed to be able to recite off the top of my head certain addresses in the code. Chapter, section, etc. I may not have known verbatum what those passages stated, but I could look them up. Granted, even in the little time I tried it, I still remember a lot of important regulation. It's not hard to learn the most important stuff, but getting it down in practice while still being fast enough to get a job done in budget and to standard takes experience.
If you do not perform the job to the minimum standard as designated by the Authority having Jurisdiction, you have to redo the work. The loss is usually the worker that screwed up having to redo the work for free and get it right this time. If it's a persistant problem the worker is finding a new job or the company suffers in reputation. The code is to make sure the loss isn't loss of life and property due to fire or electrocution.
I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of the business. Maybe there is a territorial thing, I've had two outfits out here and the second one was very interested in the first. The second one was a local company, the first was a ways up the road. No backstabbing, work done to spec, they were juat surprised to see them. I agree it isn't rocket appliances when it comes to drawing water and handling effluent. However, I didn't endure the battles that sparked regulatory action. Although, I have, being a cheap bastard taken the low bid or cash bid. Nothing seriously wrong with the work, but I would have been a lot happier had I hired someone that was vested in the work over trying to earn some side cash. I think that's why some of these protectionist regulations come about, when things go wrong.
I'm right there with you. Regulations are good when they ensure proper quality. No stomach contents in the meat. Drilling has to be done to make sure it doesn't leak in ground water.
Why do you need degrees in environmentalism instead of just having a handbook that tells you what you are allowed to do and what things you cant?
This specific example he uses a trailer park, this would be a small tank that people used to do themselves on a Saturday. This isn't installing a sewage system for a school, its something that is pretty hard to screw up if you have basic competency for reading Ikea level instructions. But this kind of thing has gotten out of control, where you could hire the local handy man to help you out now you have to pay a company $10,000 to do it. Home construction costs of any kind of sky rocketed. I suggest you dig a bit and see what some of these things cost now days.
There should be standards, but the requirements for entry are burdensome in many areas. What could have started with a 24 year old, a truck, and a tool box, has turned into a $45,000 investment.
While I'm definitely not a regulatory person, some, especially sanitary regulations evolved as the population grew. Mostly because lack of regulation made people sick or damaged property.
Yeah, wells and septic systems are a major PITA, when it comes to regulations, permits, etc. While burdensome, these "barriers" are actually a good thing. Think of your neighbors shit field leeching into your well type of thing. Then there's wells that contaminate other wells or the entire aquifer if not installed properly.
We should have standards, but the point of entry into an industry shouldn't require dedicating years of your life to with little to no option to switch or transition to something else. This is exactly why we have so many people who find themselves in unfulfilling careers and unable to change so easily and why unemployment is so high and incomes stay stagnant.
You can absolutely change careers. I changed careers multiple times and I know many others who have done the same. Not everything is easy and it wasn't easy for boomers either. In fact, the farther back in time you go, the harder life was in general.
Your point about over regulation is valid though.
I'd rather the business started by someone who can actually run the business. Not some fresh off the street who thinks he knows how to use a shovel.
Heck, imagine what an electrical company that doesn't have a master overseeing the business could do if they didn't have heavy regulations.
Lmao where do you people come from?
A union probably.
Oi mate, you have a loicense for that shoveling?
The county generally approves a perk test and septic tank plan beforehand and accepts or rejects the job after completion.
In some locales you will also face almost impossible competition unless you have a monority partner and/or jump through a few other "social" hoops. Quite a few counties also make it tough to run a business out of your home, which means the expense of a commercial space to operate legally.
I live rurally, I put up a shop building and it's about 1/8th mile from my house. I looked into adding a well and small septic system just for a shitter and some gray water. Just the permits alone were dizzying. So I collect condensate water from the dehumidifier for rinsing, washing, I piss outside if I have to and I have a composting toilet should I need.
Having a seperate commercial space is not a bad idea. Imagine if there's a fire in the shop. Do you want that fire hitting your house at the same time? Imagine the fire starts in your house. You get out, your house goes down, but the shop is still good to go. At least you still have a livelyhood to rebuild your house with.
That only applies to work where you are doing things that can cause fires. I used to work for a guy who started his own Real Estate firm and house flipping business. He was required to have an office that was not his house. So he had to buy commercial property that he never used. I was his only employee and did all the work in his basement.
Why didn't he just rent a cheap office space?
Yes, it is handy, especially out here. No hydrants and all you can do is watch it burn before they get here. My property is wooded, the house is down in a ravine, the shop is up by the road.
10 grand, is generally what it cost to hire someone to put a small personal septic tank out in a rural area.
Its a hole, plastic bucket, and a pipe.
All of this could be solved with a simple INSPECTION prior to start of use.
You call the state, tell em you need an inspector in about a week time. You can install it. Hook it up. Run a test. They send over someone after that week to test it all again. Make sure it's up to regulations. Everything good to go you bury that tank and DONE!
Not good? You pay a fine for the waste of time. You redo it or hire it out if you got too many citations. To many faults and you get a ban from engaging in the business.
You do not need all this extra shit. That is just there to stop competition. If you tracked that legislation you will see ONE THING. Donations and Contribution from "Big Poop" to local administrators.
Part of inspection process is knowing of the person overseeing the job understands the regulations that the inspector has to go over. If the inspector spots something that needs fixed, it's much less a hassle if the overseer can understand the inspector. Usually small errors are done by the help, details they haven't quite picked up on or don't yet care enough about.
Hell, some states require you be on an inspector's level before you can operate a business in the field. Getting to that level just requires working in the field until you can prove through testing that you understand the means and measure of the regulations.
Good point but that's what HANDBOOKS are for. Just put out a handbook with EXACT standards. You didn't follow the handbook? Your loss!
There is a handbook. It's very detailed. Veeeery detailed. It will put you to sleep in a heartbeat. Most of what you have to learn you learn through doing. It's been years since I took my swing at an apprenticeship. There was a time I was supposed to be able to recite off the top of my head certain addresses in the code. Chapter, section, etc. I may not have known verbatum what those passages stated, but I could look them up. Granted, even in the little time I tried it, I still remember a lot of important regulation. It's not hard to learn the most important stuff, but getting it down in practice while still being fast enough to get a job done in budget and to standard takes experience.
If you do not perform the job to the minimum standard as designated by the Authority having Jurisdiction, you have to redo the work. The loss is usually the worker that screwed up having to redo the work for free and get it right this time. If it's a persistant problem the worker is finding a new job or the company suffers in reputation. The code is to make sure the loss isn't loss of life and property due to fire or electrocution.
I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of the business. Maybe there is a territorial thing, I've had two outfits out here and the second one was very interested in the first. The second one was a local company, the first was a ways up the road. No backstabbing, work done to spec, they were juat surprised to see them. I agree it isn't rocket appliances when it comes to drawing water and handling effluent. However, I didn't endure the battles that sparked regulatory action. Although, I have, being a cheap bastard taken the low bid or cash bid. Nothing seriously wrong with the work, but I would have been a lot happier had I hired someone that was vested in the work over trying to earn some side cash. I think that's why some of these protectionist regulations come about, when things go wrong.
I'm right there with you. Regulations are good when they ensure proper quality. No stomach contents in the meat. Drilling has to be done to make sure it doesn't leak in ground water.
Why do you need degrees in environmentalism instead of just having a handbook that tells you what you are allowed to do and what things you cant?
This specific example he uses a trailer park, this would be a small tank that people used to do themselves on a Saturday. This isn't installing a sewage system for a school, its something that is pretty hard to screw up if you have basic competency for reading Ikea level instructions. But this kind of thing has gotten out of control, where you could hire the local handy man to help you out now you have to pay a company $10,000 to do it. Home construction costs of any kind of sky rocketed. I suggest you dig a bit and see what some of these things cost now days.
There should be standards, but the requirements for entry are burdensome in many areas. What could have started with a 24 year old, a truck, and a tool box, has turned into a $45,000 investment.
Okay boomer.
Seriously, how did anyone survive before these regulations?
While I'm definitely not a regulatory person, some, especially sanitary regulations evolved as the population grew. Mostly because lack of regulation made people sick or damaged property.
Well.... Sometimes people didn’t survive. Not all laws or regulations are bad.......