All of this could be solved with a simple INSPECTION prior to start of use.
You call the state, tell em you need an inspector in about a week time. You can install it. Hook it up. Run a test. They send over someone after that week to test it all again. Make sure it's up to regulations. Everything good to go you bury that tank and DONE!
Not good? You pay a fine for the waste of time. You redo it or hire it out if you got too many citations. To many faults and you get a ban from engaging in the business.
You do not need all this extra shit. That is just there to stop competition. If you tracked that legislation you will see ONE THING. Donations and Contribution from "Big Poop" to local administrators.
Part of inspection process is knowing of the person overseeing the job understands the regulations that the inspector has to go over. If the inspector spots something that needs fixed, it's much less a hassle if the overseer can understand the inspector. Usually small errors are done by the help, details they haven't quite picked up on or don't yet care enough about.
Hell, some states require you be on an inspector's level before you can operate a business in the field. Getting to that level just requires working in the field until you can prove through testing that you understand the means and measure of the regulations.
There is a handbook. It's very detailed. Veeeery detailed. It will put you to sleep in a heartbeat. Most of what you have to learn you learn through doing. It's been years since I took my swing at an apprenticeship. There was a time I was supposed to be able to recite off the top of my head certain addresses in the code. Chapter, section, etc. I may not have known verbatum what those passages stated, but I could look them up. Granted, even in the little time I tried it, I still remember a lot of important regulation. It's not hard to learn the most important stuff, but getting it down in practice while still being fast enough to get a job done in budget and to standard takes experience.
If you do not perform the job to the minimum standard as designated by the Authority having Jurisdiction, you have to redo the work. The loss is usually the worker that screwed up having to redo the work for free and get it right this time. If it's a persistant problem the worker is finding a new job or the company suffers in reputation. The code is to make sure the loss isn't loss of life and property due to fire or electrocution.
You can do your own check right? You have to wait 3 days for the inspector anyway do the checks yourself on the second and fix anything that is out of order.
But we are talking multi crew jobs here instead of one man with a team who is on site all the time.
Even having to REDO it would be BETTER than going to college 4 years.
I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of the business. Maybe there is a territorial thing, I've had two outfits out here and the second one was very interested in the first. The second one was a local company, the first was a ways up the road. No backstabbing, work done to spec, they were juat surprised to see them. I agree it isn't rocket appliances when it comes to drawing water and handling effluent. However, I didn't endure the battles that sparked regulatory action. Although, I have, being a cheap bastard taken the low bid or cash bid. Nothing seriously wrong with the work, but I would have been a lot happier had I hired someone that was vested in the work over trying to earn some side cash. I think that's why some of these protectionist regulations come about, when things go wrong.
I'm right there with you. Regulations are good when they ensure proper quality. No stomach contents in the meat. Drilling has to be done to make sure it doesn't leak in ground water.
Why do you need degrees in environmentalism instead of just having a handbook that tells you what you are allowed to do and what things you cant?
All of this could be solved with a simple INSPECTION prior to start of use.
You call the state, tell em you need an inspector in about a week time. You can install it. Hook it up. Run a test. They send over someone after that week to test it all again. Make sure it's up to regulations. Everything good to go you bury that tank and DONE!
Not good? You pay a fine for the waste of time. You redo it or hire it out if you got too many citations. To many faults and you get a ban from engaging in the business.
You do not need all this extra shit. That is just there to stop competition. If you tracked that legislation you will see ONE THING. Donations and Contribution from "Big Poop" to local administrators.
Part of inspection process is knowing of the person overseeing the job understands the regulations that the inspector has to go over. If the inspector spots something that needs fixed, it's much less a hassle if the overseer can understand the inspector. Usually small errors are done by the help, details they haven't quite picked up on or don't yet care enough about.
Hell, some states require you be on an inspector's level before you can operate a business in the field. Getting to that level just requires working in the field until you can prove through testing that you understand the means and measure of the regulations.
Good point but that's what HANDBOOKS are for. Just put out a handbook with EXACT standards. You didn't follow the handbook? Your loss!
There is a handbook. It's very detailed. Veeeery detailed. It will put you to sleep in a heartbeat. Most of what you have to learn you learn through doing. It's been years since I took my swing at an apprenticeship. There was a time I was supposed to be able to recite off the top of my head certain addresses in the code. Chapter, section, etc. I may not have known verbatum what those passages stated, but I could look them up. Granted, even in the little time I tried it, I still remember a lot of important regulation. It's not hard to learn the most important stuff, but getting it down in practice while still being fast enough to get a job done in budget and to standard takes experience.
If you do not perform the job to the minimum standard as designated by the Authority having Jurisdiction, you have to redo the work. The loss is usually the worker that screwed up having to redo the work for free and get it right this time. If it's a persistant problem the worker is finding a new job or the company suffers in reputation. The code is to make sure the loss isn't loss of life and property due to fire or electrocution.
You can do your own check right? You have to wait 3 days for the inspector anyway do the checks yourself on the second and fix anything that is out of order.
But we are talking multi crew jobs here instead of one man with a team who is on site all the time.
Even having to REDO it would be BETTER than going to college 4 years.
I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of the business. Maybe there is a territorial thing, I've had two outfits out here and the second one was very interested in the first. The second one was a local company, the first was a ways up the road. No backstabbing, work done to spec, they were juat surprised to see them. I agree it isn't rocket appliances when it comes to drawing water and handling effluent. However, I didn't endure the battles that sparked regulatory action. Although, I have, being a cheap bastard taken the low bid or cash bid. Nothing seriously wrong with the work, but I would have been a lot happier had I hired someone that was vested in the work over trying to earn some side cash. I think that's why some of these protectionist regulations come about, when things go wrong.
I'm right there with you. Regulations are good when they ensure proper quality. No stomach contents in the meat. Drilling has to be done to make sure it doesn't leak in ground water.
Why do you need degrees in environmentalism instead of just having a handbook that tells you what you are allowed to do and what things you cant?