A;l>The problem with masks is that most people that get infected, with anything, it's not because they stood too close to you at the grocery store, it's because you spent a long time around them
So far so good.
and the surfaces they infected.
This isn't likely the case for respiratory viruses. The person coughing up a storm behind you - yes, that's a likely source of infection. Touching the same shopping cart they did? A possible source or respiratory infection, but not as likely as the coughing is.
Masks don't do anything for that,
They certainly do. Maybe you've forgotten your basic chain of infection. Maybe you've forgotten about viral load. Cloth or surgical masks won't stop all of the droplets coming out. They might filter 40-60% out. Testing by laboratories show that a high velocity air stream, such as a cough, reduces the filtration even further than that. 10 minutes in the presence of someone filtering out even 30% of their droplets is better than 10 minutes in the presence of the same person with zero percent filtration.
and studies show you are more likely to touch your face adjusting your mask then if you just didn't wear one.
This is why I dislike theoreticians. Instead of reading a study watch a few hundred people wearing masks for hours at a time. In practical application, people do touch their masks a lot. People do touch their faces without wearing masks. The people wearing masks aren't usually touching inside their masks. (some still do) They aren't touching the parts of their faces such as the nostril and mouth where the virus can easily enter the body.
Transmission via the contact route has not been proven for covid-19. Transmission via contact is not the primary way this virus or other respiratory viruses are contracted.
Masks to offer some protection, just not really any reliable realistic protection.
Incorrect. They offer varying degrees of protection depending on how they are worn. A lengthy period of time in a surgical mask next to a coughing covid patient will still get you sick. Briefly walking through the same space that a coughing covid positive patient did a few minutes before, and that same surgical mask will give a you a fair degree of not catching the virus.
If the virus were as easily transmissible via physical contact as you and many others surmise, then we'd have far more health care workers infected. Hundreds of thousands of provider+patient interaction experiences over the last 3+ months contradict the claims you are making. The ones in our hospital system that got sick were those who interacted with a patient without a mask. The ones who had physical contact with a covid+ patient and were wearing masks weren't the ones getting sick.
I do remember all kinds of advice from the infection control 'experts' early on (late January through February). The advice changed many times, sometimes on the same day. These 'experts' were wrong then and still wrong, because they can't apply basic laws of physics to pathophysiology. If most of them were practicing clinicians, they'd be dead by now from their own mistakes.
I find a lot of what you said insulting and demeaning, at my age, I'm done arguing with people who can't be respectful.
Maybe you've forgotten your basic chain of infection. Maybe you've forgotten about viral load.
That was my entire point and the fact you don't realize that is why you missed the point of everything I said. Sorry. I wish you good luck and a great day.
A;l>The problem with masks is that most people that get infected, with anything, it's not because they stood too close to you at the grocery store, it's because you spent a long time around them
So far so good.
This isn't likely the case for respiratory viruses. The person coughing up a storm behind you - yes, that's a likely source of infection. Touching the same shopping cart they did? A possible source or respiratory infection, but not as likely as the coughing is.
They certainly do. Maybe you've forgotten your basic chain of infection. Maybe you've forgotten about viral load. Cloth or surgical masks won't stop all of the droplets coming out. They might filter 40-60% out. Testing by laboratories show that a high velocity air stream, such as a cough, reduces the filtration even further than that. 10 minutes in the presence of someone filtering out even 30% of their droplets is better than 10 minutes in the presence of the same person with zero percent filtration.
This is why I dislike theoreticians. Instead of reading a study watch a few hundred people wearing masks for hours at a time. In practical application, people do touch their masks a lot. People do touch their faces without wearing masks. The people wearing masks aren't usually touching inside their masks. (some still do) They aren't touching the parts of their faces such as the nostril and mouth where the virus can easily enter the body.
Transmission via the contact route has not been proven for covid-19. Transmission via contact is not the primary way this virus or other respiratory viruses are contracted.
Incorrect. They offer varying degrees of protection depending on how they are worn. A lengthy period of time in a surgical mask next to a coughing covid patient will still get you sick. Briefly walking through the same space that a coughing covid positive patient did a few minutes before, and that same surgical mask will give a you a fair degree of not catching the virus.
If the virus were as easily transmissible via physical contact as you and many others surmise, then we'd have far more health care workers infected. Hundreds of thousands of provider+patient interaction experiences over the last 3+ months contradict the claims you are making. The ones in our hospital system that got sick were those who interacted with a patient without a mask. The ones who had physical contact with a covid+ patient and were wearing masks weren't the ones getting sick.
I do remember all kinds of advice from the infection control 'experts' early on (late January through February). The advice changed many times, sometimes on the same day. These 'experts' were wrong then and still wrong, because they can't apply basic laws of physics to pathophysiology. If most of them were practicing clinicians, they'd be dead by now from their own mistakes.
Masks help.
I'm not sure how to reply to this.
I find a lot of what you said insulting and demeaning, at my age, I'm done arguing with people who can't be respectful.
That was my entire point and the fact you don't realize that is why you missed the point of everything I said. Sorry. I wish you good luck and a great day.
Aw, do you need a chicken tender and a therapy animal?