quite right, It's a crying shame that many in the republican establishment say this is beyond looking into, they who proclaim "this is beyond looking into" are traitors and need to be the FIRST to see the gallows established to punish their ilk, only when due process has been given unlike what has been given for our side, this needs to be given if we want to see true justice underlined in our constitution.
Look at how ruthless the fascist commiecrats were when they went after Trump for something he absolutely didn’t do. Look at how many times the commiecrats went after him. look at how the commiecrats went after Trumps supporters and jailed them over everything EXCEPT “Russian collusion” during the Mueller nonsense.
Why aren’t republicans going after the people who viciously went after Flynn, and we have proof that they did it?!?! Shows you just how spineless they all are.
You might be right. Which begs the question...WHAT spying power?!? They sure as hell AREN'T using it to protect conservatives. So just what are they using it for??
I am going to bet they will not be so ruthless when a bunch of people all at once get arrested for lying to congress, leaking information, etc with US Marshalls showing up to doors.
We all know the top folks that caused this stuff need warrants for their arrest and to be immediately prosecuted.
And most of ALL the President right now needs to declassify everything he can find.
It's fucking weird to see people making statements about how there will be no investigation of political candidates because it's an election year. I thought that according to US law, nobody is above the law?
This is about investigating the evidence, and if that evidence leads to a person, then that person should also be part of what is investigated.
Nearly every great catastrophe in human history is perpetuated under a bullshit lie of committing pure evil under the guise of "for the greater good." I'm placing my bets that in the next 4 years, there will be very strong evidence of Bill Barr being involved in the corruption we know as Obama-gate or Deep-state.
I think that's REALLY fucking weird. I thought that according to US law, nobody was above the law.
Realistically, all you have to do is investigate the evidence, wherever it leads. It's entirely possible that Obama and Biden turn out to be dead-ends, but the evidence points there, and unless somebody investigates that, many of us will be convinced they were corrupt individuals, protected by corruption.
Even with the Trump-Russia scandal, as much of a bullshit hoax as that was, we can now say Trump wasn't above the law.
Prosecuting Obama isn’t an option. POTUS has made the case for past 3 years that article 2 lets him do whatever he wants. That would undercut that whole argument.
He has NEVER made the case that Article 2 gives him the unilateral power and authority to "do whatever he wants." He has only stated that Article 2 gives him the power to fire Mueller. You can't drop context here. Context is important. The left drops context - because context is important. So, don't drop context - it's important.
I think we actually need Wray to fix this one. The FBI has this nonsense where it will refuse to record interviews, write summaries (FD-302s), then it can charge you with lies based on their summary of things. Guess what? It's common for them to lie in the 302s and shaft people. Their standard of what a "material" lie is has always been pretty bogus, too. Their position is that their policy says we don't do things unfairly so it doesn't happen.
This is complete nonsense in need of real reform. What they SHOULD do is require that all interviews be taped, to make it the LAW (not just policy) that no FD-302 charges can be filed without a recording of the interview being watched in court, and tighten up the "material" standard so that getting dates confused or similar nonsense in a perjury trap doesn't count.
I made a long submission to TD about this very thing a while ago but only a few people saw it.
In a Libertarian society there would be no scenario where people could abuse government powers in any meaningful way because the government would be minuscule in power and potential.
However we all live in societies with large to extra large governments, and have to deal with the cards on the table. If we don't play the game, we lose - Individualism and Liberty loses. Those who abuse their powers in government should be persecuted and jailed. Feel free to hand out death sentences to traitors of the highest order - and we are facing treason of the highest orders.
If these people get away unpunished, it confirms what we all knew and feel for a long time - the justice system is only for us - the plebs. The upper class can do whatever they want and not only get away with it, but get massively rewarded for it. No wonder communists are easily fed with this narrative, because it is true. The little detail however is that the people in question are (neo-)Marxists of varying degrees themselves, and largely aligned with or in the Democrat party.
And yes, the Republicans who play into their hands are even worse traitors.
I mean, all we ask for is actual JUSTICE. Not "social justice" or some sort of collectivist madness, where people are accused to be class or race enemies, or collaborators with them, or wrong-thinkers. Only good old regular justice - people in charge who actively commit crimes and treason - knowing very well that they do exactly that, who also know they'll get away with everything anyway because they have most of the government on their side. The people who insist on going "by the book" because they know their actions are reprehensible - it's merely a superficial insurance. It's essentially: "Oh yeah, we are totally destroying the life of that person because we hate him and want to push our own ideology and political party's power, knowing that we lose out on the next 4 years (at least), but we will do it 'by the book' so that when judgment will come upon us, we can pretend we acted faithfully and within limits."
And IF everything was indeed legal and "by the books" - then at least remove the agencies who can do that legally. Just dissolve the CIA and FBI. How comes they became godlike, eternal entities within the government who get a mind of their own? What does a normal citizen have to do in order to try to get rid of them? Nothing? Is that how that's supposed to work?
In a Libertarian society there would be no scenario where people could abuse government powers in any meaningful way because the government would be minuscule in power and potential.
This is the most frustrating thing to me about when leftists say that the problem with political corruption is the corporations paying off the politicians and so therefore we need to get rid of corporations.
It's not that I necessarily disagree with their entire premise, just their conclusion. If we get rid of corporations, the government will still have immense power and something other than corporations will come in and corrupt them all over again. If we limit the size (and therefore power) of the government, then an infinite number of bad actors can come and go and none of them will be able to use the government for nefarious purposes.
We can always continue to live our lives as we wish while choosing another company to give our money to, I can't move to another country and still get the rights and protections (as dwindling as they are) as I get here - I can't just "choose another government" like I can choose another vendor to buy shit from.
In a Libertarian society there would be no scenario where people could abuse government powers in any meaningful way because the government would be minuscule in power and potential.
Bullshit. In a libertarian society if you didn't have the guns to take me in I don't face any justice for any crimes, government or otherwise.
Libertarianism is an ideology just as unworkable as communism, because it also requires people to work against their self interest or it crumbles to dust.
I am not here to argue for Anarcho-Capitalism (because that's what you allude to). If you struggle to figure out what a "Libertarian" society with a minimally sized government is: See Minarchism / Night-watchman state. It's btw exactly what the USA was in its beginnings... or what it was originally supposed to be and remain.
Sure, sure... but the abuses were relatively small and escalated as government power increased. Today we get Russia hoax conspiracy theories and hoax impeachments, gender studies, Climate anti-Science insanity, Covid1984 anti-Science insanity, Epstein's pedophile ring cover-ups, FBI & CIA doing random questionable crap, etc. If this goes on, if a Democrat kills a non-Democrat, it's covered by the media and the cogwheels in the government align as needed.
The question how to prevent the government from growing over time is another topic. One could argue by not having one in the first place and have a population armed to the teeth.
And "libertarian" today usually means "free market globalist,"
Yes, the open border Libertarians are nothing but somewhat economically literate leftists who still want to virtue signal how good and progressive people they are by pandering to leftists policies, and pretending to be somehow moderate. I don't take them seriously, because they are basically shooting themselves in the foot in their endless cuckishness.
if Libertarians are not 90%+ in opposition to Socialists, they are not Libertarians. Libertarians and Socialists are supposed to despise each other fundamentally. I had conversations with some socialists online with whom I couldn't find common ground on a SINGLE thing - be it facts, views, arguments, definitions even.
the modern US libertarian party/movement was founded with belief in open borders being pretty prevalent and one of their core beliefs. you don't get to define it as something else. that's how it was founded. so you don't get to say that those types of libertarians are something besides 'real' libertarians'. you didn't found the movement. 'those types' of libertarians did.
I am not talking about them anyway. Since when is the US Libertarian party the image of Libertarianism and/or Capitalism? If they have been a scam the entire time, so be it. Reasonable people would have adapted over time, and considered that open borders is a challenge because it feeds powers to already existing Marxist structures. Although that magnitude of welfare socialism and mass 3rd world immigration weren't that big of a thing either back then.
The reasonable compromise is to say any of the following:
Reciprocity with countries. However they allow immigration and provide property rights is the minimum at how immigrants from there are treated. An American can't buy property in X? Then X can't buy property in the US. Or to avoid any conflict: No (permanent) immigration in the first place. And tariffs should match - maybe even with an addition of +n%.
Reasonable restrictions: No immigration from Marxist dominated countries. Cultural subversion is a thing.
Open borders first ONLY if Socialism is eradicated entirely. And if foreigners are treated harshly in case of criminal behavior - no need for excessive tolerance. You can come, but you better be productive enough to survive on your own.
Thorough immigration checks and tests, filtering out everyone who is not among the best.
Absolute NO to any form of 3rd world immigration like these "caravans." That should be considered a hostile invasion and treated as such.
If you want to figure out if Libertarians are cucks, pressure them on immigration. That does not invalidate everything they say, but it invalidates them as being reasonable.
The Libertarian proposition is a simple one. Freedom. All that immegration policy you are talking about amounts to a government placing restrictions on people, which is the opposite of what Libetarians are for.
The problem with Libertarians is simply this: freedom is last principle in politics, not the first. There are necessary prerequisites before freedom is even possible, social cohesion, trust, expectations of fair dealing are some the ones I can name offhand.
Unless they want to open borders while socialist systems are still in place, in which case it's a self-sabotaging move, because it incentivizes immigration for welfare systems and causes their Libertarian values to diminish quite quickly, and also in the long term.
I don't having to qualify as fanatic and braindead in order to be a Libertarian.
But on a shallow level, the reasoning is simple: Socialism and welfare are massive government programs, and as such Open Borders is not the ending of government action, but the enabling of it on an excessive magnitude.
when an american identifies as a libertarian, they're identifying with the modern american libertarian movement, which was founded on principals including open borders. that's all there is to it, really.
Well, I am Hungarian/German. The idea of Libertarianism is dead in Europe, except Switzerland. The US holds these values very high (Honk Kong might rival it). When I identify as a Libertarian, I base it on its principles, not on existing parties. Just as Christians do not necessarily base their faith on the institution of the Church, but the belief system itself.
I acknowledge the mistakes of the US Libertarian party as a weak spot in my belief system, and seek to correct it. Which is why I say: Open Border Libertarians are not different than Liberals (pandering to the left is inexcusable), and the only correct way to be Libertarian is to be pro borders at least as long as any social systems exist.
The differences in our views are therefore probably relatively minor. I can live with sanctioning countries or enacting tariffs - but I don't stand for excessive taxation, regulations, socialism, bureaucracy and abuses of power which shouldn't exist in the first place.
I understand the dilemma with Libertarianism - or rather with Libertarians. Libertarians true to their values make money in the private sector, and don't spend their time with politics in the first place. It is hypocritical to demand less government while being paid by taxes and having to participate in the game of politics.
Nationalists and Conservatives recognize that issue and they are correct. BUT - do we still have to regulate every aspect of life and business and impose horrendous taxes? Can't we have cultural Conservatism/Nationalism with Libertarian economics? Strong borders & enforcement of the law (equality before the law) but maximized Individual Liberties - and little to preferably none of Socialism and preferential treatment of big corporations? The Libertarian aspect could be a beacon in the dark to all - crushing authoritarian regimes by merely succeeding in generating prosperity.
China proves that some kind of interventionism is reasonable in regards to international trade. Reciprocity is a valuable point here - however I would go so far and shut them off entirely from everything. But the question is: Does the problem really lie with China, or does it lie with the US being infiltrated by Marxists and neo-Marxists for 7+ decades? Now, one can't just fix such large scale societal-cultural issues overnight (or rather in less than 3-5 decades), but one can enact tariffs, which are a quick fix in the here and now.
I can imagine the "voting with the wallet" mentality would be more prevalent in a Libertarian society as well - we are surrounded by institutions where that doesn't apply, like public transportation, "education", water systems, sewage systems - and big corporations are so beyond everything and so tied with governments (bailouts come to mind), that this practices doesn't even work. And then there is the government education system, totally competent to prepare people for life... if life would consist only of government schools. I bet many young people aren't even aware of that practice in the first place - everything just exists and things are just running. So many things are imposed upon us that don't need to be - starting with the currency in itself. I don't see banks handing me their own, better, more stable currency that doesn't get printed in mass and suffers from continuous inflation.
Libertarians true to their values make money in the private sector, and don't spend their time with politics in the first place. It is hypocritical to demand less government while being paid by taxes and having to participate in the game of politics.
What you are describing is not Libertarianism, but republicanism. Libertairians like to describe this super ideal small-government world, that is in reality, no different than what most republican voters want. The problem Libertarians face is two fold, on the one hand it's exactly the same problem republicans have, the ones trying to get into office have to be hypocrites, or be willing to play the game like Trump, a 'once in a lifetime' exception.
On the other hand, Libertarianism is a just a mishmash of people from both sides who are disenfranchised with the politicians to the point that neither side even understands what conservative people stand for, and think that they need to be a third party, when they don't. We need small government focused republicans to run for office, against their own better judgement, with the promise of working to make smaller government a reality.
Adding a third party into the mix, with a crisscrossed mindset, that Is at it's heart trying to be the new conservative party, but afraid to admit it, with the pie in the sky dream of one day fracturing the voting base enough to destroy the American political system, is never going to work. If it ever actually did gain any traction, or develop a unified purpose, it would just destroy any remaining chance of turn back the clock on the degenerate left.
America has one chance, and that is to Unify behind one common goal. MAGA is a good start, but it's only the beginning. We need people united against rampant degeneracy and corruption on ALL sides of the isle, and to rebuild the only functioning political party into one that actually represents the conservative American values of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Hey, I fully agree. And I am not advocating for the Libertarian party btw, and at no point I was referring to them - I am advocating for Libertarian values and (therefore) against Socialism. To me it's fully sufficient to only oppose Socialism and leftism (and their degeneracy) as a whole. It's definitively the Republican's/Conservatives turn to retrieve, lighten and carry the torch of freedom - and especially that of the MAGA & Trump movement. What Trump has started has to continue, possibly for 2 decades at least continuously. And the reforming of the Republican party is a significant part of that.
But the swamp... that's a big deal. The swamp does not just consist of some few people - the swamp is in the head of potentially everyone. Everybody who votes for the swamp beasts, everybody who indoctrinates children into gender bending, everybody who spews fake news or creates these terrible posts online, everybody who let's all of that happen. It's in news media, in big tech, in the deep state, in academia, in entertainment, in politics, in bureaucracy... the very finance system, the currency, the government able to print money without limits. The court system even!
fuck libertarians, especially the open borders variety. aka, the kind who founded the movement. it was a core belief of what is the modern day libertarian movement/party. no borders = no country.
I've always had a special appreciation for this guy's intelligence, even before he came out with that Obama documentary in 2012. I also appreciate the work he does on college campuses.
Dinesh is a beast. People on Twitter would always call him a felon because of that bullshit crime they charged him with. So great that President Trump pardoned him. Now they can't say shit lol. I swear the facial expressions he makes when a leftist is trying to explain something are even better than Tucker Carlson's.
I don't get my hopes up anymore and I don't get hyped if there's that certain "It's happening" feel, because IT is never happening.
The Obamas and all the leftists are so imbeded inside the Framework of american politics and legistative and are so connected that you basically can't get to them within the framework of what is legal. That is how protected they are.
After all, what is "legal" and what is "illegal" is merely something some people have agreed on and have put it in writing. If you're in that system deep enough and if you have enough people who do the criminal stuff, no lead can ever be traced right back to you, even if you're the Mastermind that orchestrates everything.
The State won't do anything against the Obamas and Traitors because they ARE the State.
It's a wonder it didn't go their way in 2016 and we need a miracle in 2020 if it won't go their way this time. Remember the midterms? That bomb-panic where some Idiot with a Truck FULL Of Trump-Stickers? I'm not saying that was fake or anything, but I have a feeling similar things will happen later this year.
my hopes were never high on Obama. I was hopeful Trump would take a page out of some European countries and ban George Soros and his money. Obama is a patsy, he's a shitbag for sure, but his handlers are the true enemy of the people. They're the ones who own the media, fund the SJW university indoctrination, and run the deep state. Trump knows about them, but thus far, has been playing so much defense he hasn't attacked. Kick out Soros and his money, just like Hungary and Belgium did.
I'm thinking that Trump winning will buy time and a lot of things could happen. Right now, the entire dynamic of the Black vote is changing and fast. No one saw this one coming. This justice system is critical. An election win will not restore faith but allow Trump to reform.
The black vote is carried by black women. Who tend to work for the government or in careers like teachers, nurses etc. That is right in the wheel house of democrats as increase in government spending usually trickles down to them. You factor in things like a teachers union who ‘make the choice easy’ and you see why we are hit with reality when it actually comes time to vote.
I wonder what would happen if the GOP tried to get a bigger percentage of the white vote instead of chasing single percentage points of the minority votes...guess we'll never know!
Trump's 2nd term—which we must put all of our effort in to win—must be marked by rapid fixes of government. Fire losers, repeal regulations, new laws, new amendments, etc. The Deep State has slowed him down in the past two years, but I remember right after he was elected, it was fucking party time everyday.
President Trump winning in November will buy, at most, four more years.
However, come that day this late fall, I look forward to what will likely be the most terrifying lame duck presidency the left has ever had nightmares about.
Republican/Democrat aside, I consider free-thought and free-speech to be so vital to our future in science, technology, politics, ethics, wealth, and more that I'm working on a platform to undermine the likes of Reddit, Facebook, and even Google. I can't say too much more yet, but the censorship and control of information has to stop. People are also getting pissed at these platforms, much more than before, so I think there will be some golden business opportunities in the next 1-3 years.
Paging Mr. Barr. It's nice that you say this shouldn't happen ever again but so far the only consequence has been book deals. So what's to stop dems from doing this again the second they get another chance to. And if you can't find a crime in all this, then Trump should be able to investigate every Democrat that has ever made a long distance call
Even if Trump wanted to do this he cannot risk it before the election. Although it is the right thing to do it will cause a rip that could make him lose. He needs to start with the foot solders ( Comey and friends) just enough to show them he means business and for the populace to know what happened. In six months he can do what he wants.
Thing is he is calculating, patient and extremely smart. We are not. He has a plan, I’d bet my last dollar.
Post election HE WILL GO BALLISTIC with any and all powers his office holds. Before the. I’ll be happy if we get a smaller fish, not worth dropping an atom bomb and possibly jeopardizing the election. There are soo many fickle supporters who knows what would happen.
I'm a little frustrated that this thing is getting more attention than the continued lockdowns and the ongoing tyranny of some of these governors and nothing being done about them.
Nobody knows more about the unfairness of the justice system and how ruthlessly it was abused under Obama than Dinesh considering he saw it all firsthand.
And he's absolutely right. It's a complete joke how they just get away with this time after time after time.
Yep if we don't fix this the country is done. As it is, the country is on shaky ground with the radical leftists doing their best to implement martial law lock downs and rogue leftist judges destroying the legal system.
Trump. Or trump family. If you are reading this. I’m telling you this right now. Get rid of barr and put someone in there who’s going to do something NOW or we won’t stand for this.
Not just Republicans, but anyone who cares about justice and ethics. I don't want to get into my politics too much, but I'm not a Republican nor Democrat, and I find what happened to be an absurd demonstration of corruption. You should absolutely want an investigation of these circumstances, because it's clear the rule of law was thrown out the window by many individuals and organizations.
Even if you think Obama, the DNC, FBI, etc was innocent, then an investigation should be conducted anyway. The evidence certainly makes them appear very guilty, but that's how justice should work. You always have to acknowledge some percent chance that this is a giant pile of nothing (even if 1%), for reasons we don't understand yet.
To be clear, the side of politics that tries to put people in jail, impeach them, or what have you just because of their politics or whether we love/hate them needs to fucking stop.
What does need to happen is an actual investigation of the evidence trail, and there's a giant evidence trail. The evidence trail leads straight to the Clintons, Obama, John Kerry, Biden, the DNC, and the FBI. If that evidence trail reveals the kind of corruption we think, then absolutely nobody is above the law, and those found guilty should be subject to paying damages, stripped of any authority, fined, jailed, or whatever is within the law.
This isn't about putting Obama or anyone else in jail. That is unless they're actually guilty of a jailable crime.
If there is no justice and the people who were spying on the Trump Administration and breaking the law do not see justice there is something wrong. Remember for the first two years the Republicans were controlling the House and the Senate and this not only happened, they did nothing to see those who perpetrated crimes against our President and our nation were not even asked to pay the price.
I've been saying this for years. If they don't go after these people for what they did then rule of law is dead and you can absolutely guarantee this will not only continue but escalate.
Government is nothing more than the consent of the governed. Enough citizens could sign up to form a new temporary department of justice with extraordinary powers to prosecute the perpetrators. This is not vigilantism but just another government function.
Graham acquitted Obama before he ever even saw any evidence. Flat out said he wasn't even going to look into Obama. He blew it off as ridiculous to even look at him. I don't think our Republican leaders are even in the same book let alone on the same page as us. They need to be voted out more than the Democrats do. They do way more damage.
even if every single Obama administration member was thrown in jail it wouldn't change the fact that people in the Trump administration (unfortunately) want to continue the mass immigration trend that will guarentee permanent dem victories. As much as I want justice nothing will change unless the GOP is truly reconfigured into an America Firsf party
Indicting and jailing former presidents may be popular on social media but it is not a road we should travel down. Already impeachment has been turned into a political weapon can you imagine what our history would look like if we went after every ex president? No the better solution is to go after the Beuracrats and appointees who perpetrated the fraud. Obama’s legacy will be ruined and any future deep state actor will think twice about following a rogue president.
No one is above the law. If a President were honest and moral there would be no need to arrest and try them because no crimes would have been committed.
I am tired, I am frustrated, I am angry, I am sick of the non action of the Republicans and law enforcement to act on these crooked treasonous bastard. I am so tired of our side just talking tweeting texting and posting about it it's time to lock the bastards up. It's time the government started to fear we the people again. Let the chips fall where they may Republican or Democrat... Drain the dam swamp!!!
If the current President of the United States can be impeached for a phone call with zero evidence of any crime whatsoever, then damn right Obama needs to be on trial for the high crimes we DO have evidence of.
The spying alone, even if nothing else had been done, was worthy of impeachment and prison time. The fact they DID act on it and attempted to undermine an election, then tried to reverse that election, is treason. Pure and simple.
In the eyes of US citizens, Obama is a traitor, and anyone who defends him, or backs down from a prosecution is aiding and abetting.
It’s all about saving the election from those who intend on stealing it. Slow roll out, this is easily seen.
Ever played poker?... try to win everyone’s money in one hand.. if you have Pocket Aces, and the dealer flops 2 Aces. You gotta make the other fools bet, “show their cards” so you can take their money.
quite right, It's a crying shame that many in the republican establishment say this is beyond looking into, they who proclaim "this is beyond looking into" are traitors and need to be the FIRST to see the gallows established to punish their ilk, only when due process has been given unlike what has been given for our side, this needs to be given if we want to see true justice underlined in our constitution.
Look at how ruthless the fascist commiecrats were when they went after Trump for something he absolutely didn’t do. Look at how many times the commiecrats went after him. look at how the commiecrats went after Trumps supporters and jailed them over everything EXCEPT “Russian collusion” during the Mueller nonsense.
Why aren’t republicans going after the people who viciously went after Flynn, and we have proof that they did it?!?! Shows you just how spineless they all are.
You might be right. Which begs the question...WHAT spying power?!? They sure as hell AREN'T using it to protect conservatives. So just what are they using it for??
blackmail, power and money
Be more specific on who. Gop hasn't anything g to do with it
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I am going to bet they will not be so ruthless when a bunch of people all at once get arrested for lying to congress, leaking information, etc with US Marshalls showing up to doors.
We all know the top folks that caused this stuff need warrants for their arrest and to be immediately prosecuted.
And most of ALL the President right now needs to declassify everything he can find.
RINOs still gonna RINO, it seems. They're as cancerous as the left.
Republicans who are guilty say it's beyond looking into!
Simple as that. They need to get swept up in it to then, fuck em.
It's fucking weird to see people making statements about how there will be no investigation of political candidates because it's an election year. I thought that according to US law, nobody is above the law?
This is about investigating the evidence, and if that evidence leads to a person, then that person should also be part of what is investigated.
While fat pig Rosie O'Donnell walks free for the same crime.
Billy Barr has already taken 0bama and Biden off the table for prosecution.
The fix is in.
Nearly every great catastrophe in human history is perpetuated under a bullshit lie of committing pure evil under the guise of "for the greater good." I'm placing my bets that in the next 4 years, there will be very strong evidence of Bill Barr being involved in the corruption we know as Obama-gate or Deep-state.
I think that's REALLY fucking weird. I thought that according to US law, nobody was above the law.
Realistically, all you have to do is investigate the evidence, wherever it leads. It's entirely possible that Obama and Biden turn out to be dead-ends, but the evidence points there, and unless somebody investigates that, many of us will be convinced they were corrupt individuals, protected by corruption.
Even with the Trump-Russia scandal, as much of a bullshit hoax as that was, we can now say Trump wasn't above the law.
Maybe that's why Barr has already punted ... can't find scumbaggery if you don't look.
Prosecuting Obama isn’t an option. POTUS has made the case for past 3 years that article 2 lets him do whatever he wants. That would undercut that whole argument.
He has NEVER made the case that Article 2 gives him the unilateral power and authority to "do whatever he wants." He has only stated that Article 2 gives him the power to fire Mueller. You can't drop context here. Context is important. The left drops context - because context is important. So, don't drop context - it's important.
I think we actually need Wray to fix this one. The FBI has this nonsense where it will refuse to record interviews, write summaries (FD-302s), then it can charge you with lies based on their summary of things. Guess what? It's common for them to lie in the 302s and shaft people. Their standard of what a "material" lie is has always been pretty bogus, too. Their position is that their policy says we don't do things unfairly so it doesn't happen.
This is complete nonsense in need of real reform. What they SHOULD do is require that all interviews be taped, to make it the LAW (not just policy) that no FD-302 charges can be filed without a recording of the interview being watched in court, and tighten up the "material" standard so that getting dates confused or similar nonsense in a perjury trap doesn't count.
I made a long submission to TD about this very thing a while ago but only a few people saw it.
Most lawyers ARE worthless! Lawyers in Robes are even worse!
He absolutely is
In a Libertarian society there would be no scenario where people could abuse government powers in any meaningful way because the government would be minuscule in power and potential.
However we all live in societies with large to extra large governments, and have to deal with the cards on the table. If we don't play the game, we lose - Individualism and Liberty loses. Those who abuse their powers in government should be persecuted and jailed. Feel free to hand out death sentences to traitors of the highest order - and we are facing treason of the highest orders.
If these people get away unpunished, it confirms what we all knew and feel for a long time - the justice system is only for us - the plebs. The upper class can do whatever they want and not only get away with it, but get massively rewarded for it. No wonder communists are easily fed with this narrative, because it is true. The little detail however is that the people in question are (neo-)Marxists of varying degrees themselves, and largely aligned with or in the Democrat party.
And yes, the Republicans who play into their hands are even worse traitors.
I mean, all we ask for is actual JUSTICE. Not "social justice" or some sort of collectivist madness, where people are accused to be class or race enemies, or collaborators with them, or wrong-thinkers. Only good old regular justice - people in charge who actively commit crimes and treason - knowing very well that they do exactly that, who also know they'll get away with everything anyway because they have most of the government on their side. The people who insist on going "by the book" because they know their actions are reprehensible - it's merely a superficial insurance. It's essentially: "Oh yeah, we are totally destroying the life of that person because we hate him and want to push our own ideology and political party's power, knowing that we lose out on the next 4 years (at least), but we will do it 'by the book' so that when judgment will come upon us, we can pretend we acted faithfully and within limits."
And IF everything was indeed legal and "by the books" - then at least remove the agencies who can do that legally. Just dissolve the CIA and FBI. How comes they became godlike, eternal entities within the government who get a mind of their own? What does a normal citizen have to do in order to try to get rid of them? Nothing? Is that how that's supposed to work?
This is the most frustrating thing to me about when leftists say that the problem with political corruption is the corporations paying off the politicians and so therefore we need to get rid of corporations.
It's not that I necessarily disagree with their entire premise, just their conclusion. If we get rid of corporations, the government will still have immense power and something other than corporations will come in and corrupt them all over again. If we limit the size (and therefore power) of the government, then an infinite number of bad actors can come and go and none of them will be able to use the government for nefarious purposes.
We can always continue to live our lives as we wish while choosing another company to give our money to, I can't move to another country and still get the rights and protections (as dwindling as they are) as I get here - I can't just "choose another government" like I can choose another vendor to buy shit from.
Corporations only exist because the government is giving company execs immunity from legal liability.
Bullshit. In a libertarian society if you didn't have the guns to take me in I don't face any justice for any crimes, government or otherwise.
Libertarianism is an ideology just as unworkable as communism, because it also requires people to work against their self interest or it crumbles to dust.
I am not here to argue for Anarcho-Capitalism (because that's what you allude to). If you struggle to figure out what a "Libertarian" society with a minimally sized government is: See Minarchism / Night-watchman state. It's btw exactly what the USA was in its beginnings... or what it was originally supposed to be and remain.
People just need to return to God and morality. The government we have would sort itself out.
Sure, sure... but the abuses were relatively small and escalated as government power increased. Today we get Russia hoax conspiracy theories and hoax impeachments, gender studies, Climate anti-Science insanity, Covid1984 anti-Science insanity, Epstein's pedophile ring cover-ups, FBI & CIA doing random questionable crap, etc. If this goes on, if a Democrat kills a non-Democrat, it's covered by the media and the cogwheels in the government align as needed.
The question how to prevent the government from growing over time is another topic. One could argue by not having one in the first place and have a population armed to the teeth.
Yes, the open border Libertarians are nothing but somewhat economically literate leftists who still want to virtue signal how good and progressive people they are by pandering to leftists policies, and pretending to be somehow moderate. I don't take them seriously, because they are basically shooting themselves in the foot in their endless cuckishness.
if Libertarians are not 90%+ in opposition to Socialists, they are not Libertarians. Libertarians and Socialists are supposed to despise each other fundamentally. I had conversations with some socialists online with whom I couldn't find common ground on a SINGLE thing - be it facts, views, arguments, definitions even.
the modern US libertarian party/movement was founded with belief in open borders being pretty prevalent and one of their core beliefs. you don't get to define it as something else. that's how it was founded. so you don't get to say that those types of libertarians are something besides 'real' libertarians'. you didn't found the movement. 'those types' of libertarians did.
I am not talking about them anyway. Since when is the US Libertarian party the image of Libertarianism and/or Capitalism? If they have been a scam the entire time, so be it. Reasonable people would have adapted over time, and considered that open borders is a challenge because it feeds powers to already existing Marxist structures. Although that magnitude of welfare socialism and mass 3rd world immigration weren't that big of a thing either back then.
The reasonable compromise is to say any of the following:
Reciprocity with countries. However they allow immigration and provide property rights is the minimum at how immigrants from there are treated. An American can't buy property in X? Then X can't buy property in the US. Or to avoid any conflict: No (permanent) immigration in the first place. And tariffs should match - maybe even with an addition of +n%.
Reasonable restrictions: No immigration from Marxist dominated countries. Cultural subversion is a thing.
Open borders first ONLY if Socialism is eradicated entirely. And if foreigners are treated harshly in case of criminal behavior - no need for excessive tolerance. You can come, but you better be productive enough to survive on your own.
Thorough immigration checks and tests, filtering out everyone who is not among the best.
Absolute NO to any form of 3rd world immigration like these "caravans." That should be considered a hostile invasion and treated as such.
If you want to figure out if Libertarians are cucks, pressure them on immigration. That does not invalidate everything they say, but it invalidates them as being reasonable.
The Libertarian proposition is a simple one. Freedom. All that immegration policy you are talking about amounts to a government placing restrictions on people, which is the opposite of what Libetarians are for.
The problem with Libertarians is simply this: freedom is last principle in politics, not the first. There are necessary prerequisites before freedom is even possible, social cohesion, trust, expectations of fair dealing are some the ones I can name offhand.
Unless they want to open borders while socialist systems are still in place, in which case it's a self-sabotaging move, because it incentivizes immigration for welfare systems and causes their Libertarian values to diminish quite quickly, and also in the long term.
I don't having to qualify as fanatic and braindead in order to be a Libertarian.
But on a shallow level, the reasoning is simple: Socialism and welfare are massive government programs, and as such Open Borders is not the ending of government action, but the enabling of it on an excessive magnitude.
when an american identifies as a libertarian, they're identifying with the modern american libertarian movement, which was founded on principals including open borders. that's all there is to it, really.
Well, I am Hungarian/German. The idea of Libertarianism is dead in Europe, except Switzerland. The US holds these values very high (Honk Kong might rival it). When I identify as a Libertarian, I base it on its principles, not on existing parties. Just as Christians do not necessarily base their faith on the institution of the Church, but the belief system itself.
I acknowledge the mistakes of the US Libertarian party as a weak spot in my belief system, and seek to correct it. Which is why I say: Open Border Libertarians are not different than Liberals (pandering to the left is inexcusable), and the only correct way to be Libertarian is to be pro borders at least as long as any social systems exist.
The differences in our views are therefore probably relatively minor. I can live with sanctioning countries or enacting tariffs - but I don't stand for excessive taxation, regulations, socialism, bureaucracy and abuses of power which shouldn't exist in the first place.
Fairly nutty considering that you don’t even have a country without borders.
I understand the dilemma with Libertarianism - or rather with Libertarians. Libertarians true to their values make money in the private sector, and don't spend their time with politics in the first place. It is hypocritical to demand less government while being paid by taxes and having to participate in the game of politics.
Nationalists and Conservatives recognize that issue and they are correct. BUT - do we still have to regulate every aspect of life and business and impose horrendous taxes? Can't we have cultural Conservatism/Nationalism with Libertarian economics? Strong borders & enforcement of the law (equality before the law) but maximized Individual Liberties - and little to preferably none of Socialism and preferential treatment of big corporations? The Libertarian aspect could be a beacon in the dark to all - crushing authoritarian regimes by merely succeeding in generating prosperity.
China proves that some kind of interventionism is reasonable in regards to international trade. Reciprocity is a valuable point here - however I would go so far and shut them off entirely from everything. But the question is: Does the problem really lie with China, or does it lie with the US being infiltrated by Marxists and neo-Marxists for 7+ decades? Now, one can't just fix such large scale societal-cultural issues overnight (or rather in less than 3-5 decades), but one can enact tariffs, which are a quick fix in the here and now.
I can imagine the "voting with the wallet" mentality would be more prevalent in a Libertarian society as well - we are surrounded by institutions where that doesn't apply, like public transportation, "education", water systems, sewage systems - and big corporations are so beyond everything and so tied with governments (bailouts come to mind), that this practices doesn't even work. And then there is the government education system, totally competent to prepare people for life... if life would consist only of government schools. I bet many young people aren't even aware of that practice in the first place - everything just exists and things are just running. So many things are imposed upon us that don't need to be - starting with the currency in itself. I don't see banks handing me their own, better, more stable currency that doesn't get printed in mass and suffers from continuous inflation.
What you are describing is not Libertarianism, but republicanism. Libertairians like to describe this super ideal small-government world, that is in reality, no different than what most republican voters want. The problem Libertarians face is two fold, on the one hand it's exactly the same problem republicans have, the ones trying to get into office have to be hypocrites, or be willing to play the game like Trump, a 'once in a lifetime' exception.
On the other hand, Libertarianism is a just a mishmash of people from both sides who are disenfranchised with the politicians to the point that neither side even understands what conservative people stand for, and think that they need to be a third party, when they don't. We need small government focused republicans to run for office, against their own better judgement, with the promise of working to make smaller government a reality.
Adding a third party into the mix, with a crisscrossed mindset, that Is at it's heart trying to be the new conservative party, but afraid to admit it, with the pie in the sky dream of one day fracturing the voting base enough to destroy the American political system, is never going to work. If it ever actually did gain any traction, or develop a unified purpose, it would just destroy any remaining chance of turn back the clock on the degenerate left.
America has one chance, and that is to Unify behind one common goal. MAGA is a good start, but it's only the beginning. We need people united against rampant degeneracy and corruption on ALL sides of the isle, and to rebuild the only functioning political party into one that actually represents the conservative American values of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Hey, I fully agree. And I am not advocating for the Libertarian party btw, and at no point I was referring to them - I am advocating for Libertarian values and (therefore) against Socialism. To me it's fully sufficient to only oppose Socialism and leftism (and their degeneracy) as a whole. It's definitively the Republican's/Conservatives turn to retrieve, lighten and carry the torch of freedom - and especially that of the MAGA & Trump movement. What Trump has started has to continue, possibly for 2 decades at least continuously. And the reforming of the Republican party is a significant part of that.
But the swamp... that's a big deal. The swamp does not just consist of some few people - the swamp is in the head of potentially everyone. Everybody who votes for the swamp beasts, everybody who indoctrinates children into gender bending, everybody who spews fake news or creates these terrible posts online, everybody who let's all of that happen. It's in news media, in big tech, in the deep state, in academia, in entertainment, in politics, in bureaucracy... the very finance system, the currency, the government able to print money without limits. The court system even!
fuck libertarians, especially the open borders variety. aka, the kind who founded the movement. it was a core belief of what is the modern day libertarian movement/party. no borders = no country.
I've always had a special appreciation for this guy's intelligence, even before he came out with that Obama documentary in 2012. I also appreciate the work he does on college campuses.
Dinesh is a beast. People on Twitter would always call him a felon because of that bullshit crime they charged him with. So great that President Trump pardoned him. Now they can't say shit lol. I swear the facial expressions he makes when a leftist is trying to explain something are even better than Tucker Carlson's.
Then we can call on the Astros to give the trashcan a couple good wacks. Justice served!
Also, no more santuary cities. One set of laws for everybody.
I don't get my hopes up anymore and I don't get hyped if there's that certain "It's happening" feel, because IT is never happening.
The Obamas and all the leftists are so imbeded inside the Framework of american politics and legistative and are so connected that you basically can't get to them within the framework of what is legal. That is how protected they are.
After all, what is "legal" and what is "illegal" is merely something some people have agreed on and have put it in writing. If you're in that system deep enough and if you have enough people who do the criminal stuff, no lead can ever be traced right back to you, even if you're the Mastermind that orchestrates everything.
The State won't do anything against the Obamas and Traitors because they ARE the State.
It's a wonder it didn't go their way in 2016 and we need a miracle in 2020 if it won't go their way this time. Remember the midterms? That bomb-panic where some Idiot with a Truck FULL Of Trump-Stickers? I'm not saying that was fake or anything, but I have a feeling similar things will happen later this year.
my hopes were never high on Obama. I was hopeful Trump would take a page out of some European countries and ban George Soros and his money. Obama is a patsy, he's a shitbag for sure, but his handlers are the true enemy of the people. They're the ones who own the media, fund the SJW university indoctrination, and run the deep state. Trump knows about them, but thus far, has been playing so much defense he hasn't attacked. Kick out Soros and his money, just like Hungary and Belgium did.
Dude... it was fake.
Yep, if we don't fix this the country is done and it will get ugly.
I'm thinking that Trump winning will buy time and a lot of things could happen. Right now, the entire dynamic of the Black vote is changing and fast. No one saw this one coming. This justice system is critical. An election win will not restore faith but allow Trump to reform.
The black vote is carried by black women. Who tend to work for the government or in careers like teachers, nurses etc. That is right in the wheel house of democrats as increase in government spending usually trickles down to them. You factor in things like a teachers union who ‘make the choice easy’ and you see why we are hit with reality when it actually comes time to vote.
It is getting hyped. Maybe I'm in an echo chamber and it's all bullshit but I'm hoping it's real.
I wonder what would happen if the GOP tried to get a bigger percentage of the white vote instead of chasing single percentage points of the minority votes...guess we'll never know!
Trump's 2nd term—which we must put all of our effort in to win—must be marked by rapid fixes of government. Fire losers, repeal regulations, new laws, new amendments, etc. The Deep State has slowed him down in the past two years, but I remember right after he was elected, it was fucking party time everyday.
President Trump winning in November will buy, at most, four more years.
However, come that day this late fall, I look forward to what will likely be the most terrifying lame duck presidency the left has ever had nightmares about.
Republican/Democrat aside, I consider free-thought and free-speech to be so vital to our future in science, technology, politics, ethics, wealth, and more that I'm working on a platform to undermine the likes of Reddit, Facebook, and even Google. I can't say too much more yet, but the censorship and control of information has to stop. People are also getting pissed at these platforms, much more than before, so I think there will be some golden business opportunities in the next 1-3 years.
Paging Mr. Barr. It's nice that you say this shouldn't happen ever again but so far the only consequence has been book deals. So what's to stop dems from doing this again the second they get another chance to. And if you can't find a crime in all this, then Trump should be able to investigate every Democrat that has ever made a long distance call
Fucking this!!!
Even if Trump wanted to do this he cannot risk it before the election. Although it is the right thing to do it will cause a rip that could make him lose. He needs to start with the foot solders ( Comey and friends) just enough to show them he means business and for the populace to know what happened. In six months he can do what he wants.
I hope GEOTUS sees these tweets.
I’m sure GEOTUS is WELL aware of the situation.
Thing is he is calculating, patient and extremely smart. We are not. He has a plan, I’d bet my last dollar.
Post election HE WILL GO BALLISTIC with any and all powers his office holds. Before the. I’ll be happy if we get a smaller fish, not worth dropping an atom bomb and possibly jeopardizing the election. There are soo many fickle supporters who knows what would happen.
It should never happen because the PUNISHMENT is so severe the it's seared into the minds of the next coup members.
It's going to end up being outraged citizens that rise up and drag them out For justice.
It might end up being the citizens. But let POTUS work, I have faith.
Pics from prison or it didn't happen!
I'm trying to stay hyped for November, but if someone doesn't do something soon about these deep state abuses I'm going to end up black pilled.
If anyone is "too big to jail", then EVERYONE else is "too small to matter".
I'm a little frustrated that this thing is getting more attention than the continued lockdowns and the ongoing tyranny of some of these governors and nothing being done about them.
Nobody knows more about the unfairness of the justice system and how ruthlessly it was abused under Obama than Dinesh considering he saw it all firsthand.
And he's absolutely right. It's a complete joke how they just get away with this time after time after time.
While doing absolutely nothing to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Lol, they DID rob Fort Knox
Are we convinced there is still gold in Fort Knox?
Not kidding.
I fucking love this man. Every time he speaks I agree with what he says. He’s one of the real ones. Wish we could get him in office one day.
Newsflash: 99% of Pre Trump republicans WERE COMPLICIT in decades of corruption and WORSE!
Yep if we don't fix this the country is done. As it is, the country is on shaky ground with the radical leftists doing their best to implement martial law lock downs and rogue leftist judges destroying the legal system.
That's an excellent analogy because they really did rob fort Knox.
Agreed, the traitors must forfeit their lives. That is what the traitors would have done to us. Virus indeed.
Trump. Or trump family. If you are reading this. I’m telling you this right now. Get rid of barr and put someone in there who’s going to do something NOW or we won’t stand for this.
Not just Republicans, but anyone who cares about justice and ethics. I don't want to get into my politics too much, but I'm not a Republican nor Democrat, and I find what happened to be an absurd demonstration of corruption. You should absolutely want an investigation of these circumstances, because it's clear the rule of law was thrown out the window by many individuals and organizations.
Even if you think Obama, the DNC, FBI, etc was innocent, then an investigation should be conducted anyway. The evidence certainly makes them appear very guilty, but that's how justice should work. You always have to acknowledge some percent chance that this is a giant pile of nothing (even if 1%), for reasons we don't understand yet.
To be clear, the side of politics that tries to put people in jail, impeach them, or what have you just because of their politics or whether we love/hate them needs to fucking stop.
What does need to happen is an actual investigation of the evidence trail, and there's a giant evidence trail. The evidence trail leads straight to the Clintons, Obama, John Kerry, Biden, the DNC, and the FBI. If that evidence trail reveals the kind of corruption we think, then absolutely nobody is above the law, and those found guilty should be subject to paying damages, stripped of any authority, fined, jailed, or whatever is within the law.
This isn't about putting Obama or anyone else in jail. That is unless they're actually guilty of a jailable crime.
If there is no justice and the people who were spying on the Trump Administration and breaking the law do not see justice there is something wrong. Remember for the first two years the Republicans were controlling the House and the Senate and this not only happened, they did nothing to see those who perpetrated crimes against our President and our nation were not even asked to pay the price.
AGREE.
Arrest somebody
I've been saying this for years. If they don't go after these people for what they did then rule of law is dead and you can absolutely guarantee this will not only continue but escalate.
I'm still dumbfounded that the FISA court was renewed - DESPITE all that has happened.
It has been used as an instrument of abuse and should be DISSOLVED.
and then they go and vote to continue patriot act spying.
The leadership of the republican party is part of the coup attempt Mitch McConnell,Paul Ryon, Gowdy, Lindsey Graham , These are the traitors.
Government is nothing more than the consent of the governed. Enough citizens could sign up to form a new temporary department of justice with extraordinary powers to prosecute the perpetrators. This is not vigilantism but just another government function.
This!!
Graham acquitted Obama before he ever even saw any evidence. Flat out said he wasn't even going to look into Obama. He blew it off as ridiculous to even look at him. I don't think our Republican leaders are even in the same book let alone on the same page as us. They need to be voted out more than the Democrats do. They do way more damage.
even if every single Obama administration member was thrown in jail it wouldn't change the fact that people in the Trump administration (unfortunately) want to continue the mass immigration trend that will guarentee permanent dem victories. As much as I want justice nothing will change unless the GOP is truly reconfigured into an America Firsf party
They came after Flynn with Logam Act. We have to expose and charge them. Then make examples out of them with the harshest punishment.
Indicting and jailing former presidents may be popular on social media but it is not a road we should travel down. Already impeachment has been turned into a political weapon can you imagine what our history would look like if we went after every ex president? No the better solution is to go after the Beuracrats and appointees who perpetrated the fraud. Obama’s legacy will be ruined and any future deep state actor will think twice about following a rogue president.
No one is above the law. If a President were honest and moral there would be no need to arrest and try them because no crimes would have been committed.
If you can do the crime you can do the time.
I am tired, I am frustrated, I am angry, I am sick of the non action of the Republicans and law enforcement to act on these crooked treasonous bastard. I am so tired of our side just talking tweeting texting and posting about it it's time to lock the bastards up. It's time the government started to fear we the people again. Let the chips fall where they may Republican or Democrat... Drain the dam swamp!!!
If the current President of the United States can be impeached for a phone call with zero evidence of any crime whatsoever, then damn right Obama needs to be on trial for the high crimes we DO have evidence of.
The spying alone, even if nothing else had been done, was worthy of impeachment and prison time. The fact they DID act on it and attempted to undermine an election, then tried to reverse that election, is treason. Pure and simple.
In the eyes of US citizens, Obama is a traitor, and anyone who defends him, or backs down from a prosecution is aiding and abetting.
Oh well, make them choose between rule of law, equity, jury, and the Constitution.
It’s all about saving the election from those who intend on stealing it. Slow roll out, this is easily seen.
Ever played poker?... try to win everyone’s money in one hand.. if you have Pocket Aces, and the dealer flops 2 Aces. You gotta make the other fools bet, “show their cards” so you can take their money.