I don't think it's really hidden/seems like a fairly obvious message in the painting.
I agree, it's very odd he'd have this painting, but on the flip-side, the 9/11 inside job theory isn't exactly rare/unknown. Everyone, whether or not they believe it, is at least aware of it. So, given the 1. wealth of Epstein, and 2. art w/ political figures he has and just art in general, I wouldn't necessarily consider this anything incredibly telling, either. If he believed in the inside-job theory, having a painting representing it isn't that insane.
Of course I'm not saying it's meaningless, either, given Epstein's connections, contact w/ former presidents who've visited his island, and knowing that he essentially extorted powerful figures by holding damaging info over them. So having a painting like this, making this kind of statement, could be a kind of "remember what I know about you," type statement.
Just covering all aspects and more thinking out loud heree
I think Epstein had weird taste in art and just like painting of political figures and their scandals or conspiracies. Bill Clinton and that blue dress was a big scandal, Bush and 9/11 was a huge deal. Epstein would probably commission a painting of Trump and a Coronavirus. Epstein was a rich guy with money for weird art.
No he's not, he's an international blackmailer. BLACKMAILER. Meaning he holds people's secrets over their heads to control them. HOLDS SECRETS OVER PEOPLES HEADS TO CONTROL THEM. You think the paintings immortalizing two of the worlds most powerful leaders in their greatest scandals being owned by the worlds greatest blackmailer is a simple reflection of artistic taste? Lmao, where the fuck are we finding these people, you got a lot to learn if you're gonna run with us.
I also think he had lots of info on people, obviously. I just don’t think there is hidden meaning in his taste in art.
He can like buying paintings like this (the artist did not even know he owned the blue dress one, so it is not like Epstein commissioned it) and he can be a pedo and have knowledge to blackmail people, but that does not mean the art has a hidden meaning.
Just like a serial killer can eat Fruit Loops everyday for breakfast. Is there hidden meaning behind it? Oh, Dahmer eats Fruit Loops! He is secretly telling us he’s crazy because mental patients are fruit loops. He was sitting there eating cereal and we never caught the hidden message-he was eating cereal, consuming it, and he was a serial killer, consuming bodies...
Do you see how it works? You can assume there is hidden meaning in stuff and try to find it, but sometimes it really is not there. Me saying Dahmer eating Fruit Loops has nothing to do with being a serial killer does not mean I don’t know he was one. It just means that while he was a serial killer, I don’t find any hidden meaning in his breakfast choice. Nor do I find hidden meaning in Epstein’s art choices. I just think he liked the concept of the artist painting the presidents with their big scandals.
The Correlation and Causation fallacy only applies when people are misconstruing causality based on sequence of events. This isn't about the sequence of events this is about tangible connections between the nature of the art and crimes we know he and his associates committed. You're misapplying a fallacy and creating one anew.
You're blasting someone for not assuming a painting means Epstein for sure had evidence 9/11 was planned?
GTFO with that bullshit. Intentional or not, your being an angry troll who wants to exclude a Trump support that doesn't jump to conclusions about paintings (which, by the way, is something a liberal would do/believe), instead of sticking to facts.
I'm not saying your assumption about the painting is wrong, but it is just that, so you've got quite a ways to go yourself if you're going to roll with this community.
Firstly the idea that 9/11 was an inside job did not spring up upon the discovery of this painting. I'm blasting him for being dismissive of the idea and using an incorrectly applied logical fallacy to justify it. At this point why don't you just tell us all how unimportant Seth Rich or Eric Ciaramella is.
I'd make a bet that each piece of art was representative of big shit he had on each person to remind them anytime they visited. Bill Clinton was the head but the body was (probably) Hillary. Likewise the Jenga towers probably represent the twin towers. What other art did Epstein have?
Definitely invited a bunch of well known figures to Lolita island, tricked into having underage sex with the slaves in there, videotaped it, and asked for a few million each time. Easy peasy money.
Considering the whole thing was financed by Israel, it wasn't remotely about money. It was about leverage on political decisions, enough leverage that it represented in some cases nearly total control. Invest tens of millions in a scheme to control the decision makers that create legislation around trillions (plus military power that cannot be bought at any price).
For sure - and the Clinton in a dress painting wasn't even one he commissioned, but a piece created by a fairly famous artist (can't remember who), and I'm fairly certain you can even buy a print online
That was released before the 2016 presidential election.... nothing is happening about it! To think about all the families destroyed by these evil fucks is sickening.
That is interesting, however given the sheer size and tonnage those buildings are. If they were to collapse violently without any sense of control the collateral damage would have been catastrophic.
I'm not a architectural engineer of any sorts so take this as a grain of salt or speculation. Most high rises are built in such a way that if the unforeseen was to happen they would collapse in a certain predictable manner to prevent collateral damage. Hence why when the towers fell, they didn't fall as many of us believe should (through exposure of Hollywood) when being hit by something. Instead they collapsed in a way to prevent the buildings in causing a catastrophic cascade of damage.
My major issue is that Building 7 is highly suspicious and I do believe that was controlled demo in some form. Makes no sense that air pressure from the collapse made that building fall, but other buildings around the Twin Towers were completely fine.
I'm sure there's more behind his possessing this painting, I'm just pointing out there are a number of possibilities, and I wouldn't necessarily jump to any conclusions, especially any implied notion that this is proof of 9/11 as an inside job, Epstein's involvement in anything related, etc. There are a lot of possibilities. Something like there being a popular sentiment of the 9/11 conspiracy theory, something many people believe, and exploiting that awareness by decking the walls of your house w/ art that makes these kinds of statements to anyone who visits (which were often very powerful people, elites/politicians, etc). Didn't really word that as well as I'd have liked, but basically saying he could have been weaponizing/exploiting popular theories and narratives that people believe for some other self-serving purpose. Something still nefarious, but not necessarily suggestive of anything profound, like proof 9/11 was an inside job and he knew it, etc. Just playing devil's advocate from all possible angles
I don't even know how to respond. We're talking about a man whose job was to trap the worlds most important people with their secrets outs. You think two massive oi paintings, with two of the worlds most powerful leaders, captured while surrounded and draped in symbols of their greatest scandals, were inspired by what he gathered from the public press? He's making general social commentary with his painting, while he is the worlds greatest blackmailer? C'mon man, we gotta smarter than the naive sheep.
I never once expressed what I thought, and specifically stated my entire purpose of the comment was to encourage people to think critically, not jump to conclusions, and approach something like this from all angles - quite the opposite of being naive sheep, so... "c'mon man," we gotta be better than speaking like Jim Crow Pedo Joe Biden
It's pretty strange considering Epstein was a Mossad agent, and if we narrow down the most likely perpetrators of 9/11... (dancing Israelis?) ...there's definitely something questionable there.
I'll tell you this much. Bush was part of Skull and Bones, and ALL 'schools of mystery' (most presidents have been a part of one) descend from a single place of religious significance.
Yeah it is interesting how most presidents were part of a small group of secret societies at their schools, but I also know from attending (a different) ivy league that they're pretty benign. I got invited to join 2 but declined; they're basically just a frat house that isn't in the formalized Greek system - at least at my school - and known most for either public acts of volunteering, or the complete opposite, and behaving with reckless abandon in childish games, like stealing valuable antiques from throughout the campus and its buildings. Most tend to join for similar reasons to joining a fraternity: social life/partying, and networking
This is exactly how they operate at the lowest levels of entry. A fun, supportive, extra family that all have taken vows to go out of their way to support each other. Sounds positive and innocent. Even in my own circle of peers, I've known friends who join societies who are legitimately good people at heart. But they're still making a mistake, and will have to forgive themselves for the innocent error and hopefully cut ties.
This is the outer circle of masonry. Some say it extends from 1-32 degrees, and others insist even the 33rd is still being deprived of core information. Notice that in these societies, the one prerequisite of entry is that you believe in a higher power. Any religion, any race, anyone is welcome barring they believe this.
But who is the higher power they learn to serve as they ascend degree by degree? According to the publicly available book, Morals and Dogma, written by Albert Pike (once the highest ranking Freemason in the West), they worship Lucifer.
Now what happens when these 'mystery schools' become intertwined with the most powerful people of U.S politics? The Freemasons first allegiance is not to the country, it is to other Freemasons. At the highest levels, the Freemasons essentially function as an organized crime syndicate.
I'm well aware, and know more than I care to about the freemasons and everything. I'm just saying, at least with these secret/hidden societies at my school, they enjoy being shrouded in mystery and linked to these kinds of theories, but they're really nothing more than frat boys larping. Now, I have no experience with the skull and bones, or any of Yale or Harvard's secret societies, so it's entirely possible I'm making false assumptions by equating the ones from my school to these ones, but they are the general equivalent, from a school in the same conference/division, also having "important/powerful," members (present and past), as well as totally inconsequential members right down to those sitting on their board of directors, etc.
But again, I'm not entirely disagreeing, and before having any direct experience, but having spent a lot of time independently researching this kind of stuff, I definitely found it plausible and extremely interesting, creating links between these groups and things like the Bilderbergs, etc, but I'm less inclined now; unless things have radically changed in the past couple decades and they were far more influential in the past.
architects and engineers for 9/11 truth, ae911truth.org i think is the website. might be confusing it with my username. a documentary "loose change final cut" would be my best recommendation for a film on it. " pentacon" is a great documentary focusing just on the pentagon part
Loose change was destroyed by popular mechanics. That documentary was done by a couple of liberal pussies that understood none of the science.
9/11 was planned. I spent years debunking 9/11 conspiracies, but even I will admit it was planned. This wasnt the first terrorist attack on the towers.
It's really not so much of a reach. The terrorist hijacker "pilot" who flew into the Pentagon, was given an appraisal that found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources... Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself"
The flight data of Flight 77 suggest its trajectory in the given time frame is impossible for the given commercial aircraft, due to the degree of banks and decrease in altitude at a very fast rate, which would be almost impossible for even the most skilled and experienced pilots to perform without error.
A trained pilot attempted the exact maneuvers of flight 77 in a simulator on repeated attempts and was not once able to do it without failure. If our best and most trained can't pull that maneuver, what suggests an incompetent pilot such as Hanojour even stood a chance.
There are many other questions, such as the disappearance of the engines of flight 77, as well as man other scientific questions that have yet to be answered regarding 9/11 in its entirety. 911 really is the first red pill if you start going into the details and pay attention to some of the questions that have been unanswered. It's a rabbit hole with some disinfo spread about, but if you pay attention to the scientific aspects and question why the government's response and omission in their 911 commission report, it does beg the question of what really happened that day.
Do you really believe that in one day the Bush administration was able to throw together something like the 9/11 attacks and keep it successfully hidden all as cover to destroy some records in the Pentagon?
Secrets aren’t as hard to keep as people think they are.
D-day happened, million of little cogs involved, only a few people at the top had to know what the plan really was.
Every year the new video game or movie comes and no one knows the script.
The number 1 argument against conspiracies is “people would talk”. Well guess what? People have talked. You and I are talking, people who claim to have 1st and 2nd hand knowledge have talked. I guess it’s not true unless CNN says it is?
Indeed, lots of people talked. Many later died in mysterious circumstances. I reckon theyre as likely to have killed themselves as Epstein is. I have no idea what really happened, but the stench of bullshit is overpowering.
I think it's more than a little ridiculous to compare a secret conspiracy to stage a false flag attack on a civilian population center with the D-Day invasion of Normandy.
The latter involved keeping the particular details of a military operation suppressed for a few months from a foreign enemy, could be achieved by isolating involved personnel on bases where they had minimal contact with outsiders, and only needed to last just as long as it took to actually carry out the operation. Further illustrating the point, the Germans were well aware that an invasion was coming, hence the considerable defenses they had prepared along the French coastline. They simply weren't able to glean the exact time and place when and where it would be undertaken. In fact, one of the chief concerns of the operation planners when the invasions kept getting delayed due to unfavorable conditions was that eventually someone was going to blab.
The former requires keeping a massive secret indefinitely from one's own family and countrymen who they interact with daily, necessitates that every soldier and contractor involved never develops a conscience and chooses to expose the whole operation or accidentally lets something slip, demands absolute destruction of all evidence from thousands of investigators pouring through all available material in the aftermath, and also requires thousands of bystanders conveniently not noticing demolition charges being placed and detonating inside Tower 7 or a cruise missile flying over a population center.
Likewise, hundreds of leaks happen every year involving high profile video games. Hell, just a few weeks ago pretty much the entire plot of The Last of Us Part II leaked and resulted in a shitstorm that's still ongoing.
If you look at the actual video, the collapse takes far longer. The edited clips reduce the evidence to fit the hypothesis that it was falling at free fall.
The NBC stuff put on top to protect the ad hoc bunker put in building 7 is clearly falling through a collapsed ceiling prior to the "crimp" being apparent in the structure.
WTC 7 straddled the subway line which the the towers fell into. With the support beams already damaged the structure collapsed.
But if you want to continue that inane theory which was it? Did they fly the planes in by remote control to cover up the planned demolition? Or did they plant the demolition charges to cover up the planes being flown in by remote control?
There’s plenty of more plausible conspiracy theories going around than to claim WTC 7 was a controlled demolition so there’s your proof that 9/11 was an inside job. How about the saudis backing OBL and we promptly attacked... Afghanistan then Iraq.
We invaded Afghanistan because it was supposedly where Bin Laden was hiding. We then of course found him being sheltered in Pakistan down the fucking street from a police station, and yet strangely never did anything to them. Curious.
Did the steel beams all melt/fail at the exact same moment in time which caused WTC to collapse in its own footprint, similar to controlled demolition? If there was structural failure in the beams, one would assume they may occur in different intervals/locations and suggest in such a case that the building's collapse would be towards the point of least resistance.
That was not the case on 911 where the buildings that collapsed all seemed to have their steel beams fail at the exact same moment of time, emulating a perfect controlled demolition.
I know of a world-class welding engineer who, when asked about how the towers collapsed, essentially said this: "When heated to 600° F significantly loses its strength."
600° F being close to the temperature jet fuel burns
Steel being what the towers' floors and exoskeleton were
The heated floor(s) bowed and dis-joining from the perimeter mounts causing a pancaking chain reaction that also pushed the exoskeleton perfectly outwards.
I don't think it's was done by a plane or whatever you claim it to be. It does look like a planned demolition to me. Watch the video and the building goes down as if it got demolished by dynamites, just like any other buildings slated to be demolished.
I'm not disputing your claim but would it not be damage and chaos enough to ram two commercial airplanes into the twin towers? Why would the CIA or whoever want to destroy WTC-7 and the Twin Towers?
Or was the destruction of one just a distraction for the destruction of the other?
They wanted a new Pearl Harbor so that they could increase the power of the government with the patriot act without resistance, start new wars in the Middle East, and hide the missing $2Trillion that the pentagon was investigating.
OK. But, again, taking over all of those commercial airplanes and using them as missiles was enough to do that. Rigging an additional building with explosives seems unnecessary if another Pearl Harbor was the goal.
We have seen what an honest bunch works at the CIA over the last few years. We have also seen how unlikely it is that they would ever lie or conspire against the American people.
Unfortunately we have some real troofer tards on this new T_D. While you were sipping on juice boxes or yet to be scraped off a sheet I worked at WTC2 was there that day and there was no inside job or controlled anything. Tons of building material pipes glass furniture computers wiring all set ablaze by burning aircraft fuel a 1/4 mile up in the air causing steel to bend and truss joints to collapse, when the towers fell damage was extended to a wide area of nearby buildings and underground infrastructure. No cartoon like outlines of damage in the shape of planes in the attacked buildings. That’s it.
The brown man good white man bad narrative was destroyed that day but DUmmies would rather blame our own government than foreign enemies. And yes the Clinton admin created all the conditions to allow this to occur.
9/11 was absolutely planned. How much research have you done on this? If you are the least bit analytical and honest, the most superficial research would at least have you earnestly questioning the official report. There are just a few key points that absolutely blow the 9/11 Commission straight out of the water.
We don't know who funded that attackers and who cares amirite?
Edit: I was paraphrasing 'The 9/11 Commission Report". What they actually said was that the funding for the attacks "is of little practical significance". So smart!
I can’t find an article that suggests that Epstein owned the Bush one.
There are many quotes by the artist that she didn’t know where the two paintings had wound up, and I don’t see any direct claims that Epstein owned both.
Very weird. It could be as simple as a sign of his power fetish (degrading pictures of powerful people), or it could be something deeper. Hard to know, but it’s without doubt very weird.
...or you know, the very obvious symbolism of the two toppled towers with two paper airplanes referring to the 9/11 attacks and alluding to the thought that Bush was behind the attacks. Not that I agree with that thought, but that's obviously what this painting is about.
So many things wrong with these stupid ideas of "secret messages." First thing I'll point out is the obvious fact that the $20 bill used was last issued in 1996, meaning the design was likely finalized sometime during 1995. This means that not only did they have the plan for the WTC collapse in place up to six years before they enacted it, but they also had an uncanny ability to exactly see how it would play out! (Look at how the smoke "exactly" matches!).
Secondly, what kind of idiots would advertise this type of stuff? It's the stuff made out of Hollywood movies and shit books like the Da Vinci Code, where things are "hidden" in plain sight and only the super genius can fold the dollar bill the exact way to make the clues line up. If you were planning on killing thousands of your own citizens and creating a false pretense to war, why would you put it on the design of every fucking bill in circulation? It makes no sense to me what the government would have gained from purposely including these designs in public currency.
As much as I love this place, I cringe every time anything remotely related to 9/11 is brought up. Some of the conspiracy theories that get upvoted as "proof" it was an inside job are eye-rollingly stupid.
Yup. I stepped in once to argue people on the subject and actually sent links to well-detailed explanations behind the science of what went down that day and was downvoted and eventually had to block about a half-dozen people. Sad times, but no community is perfect. I usually try to roll my eyes and just move on but there seems to be quite a few here who are absolutely adamant about "9/11 was an inside job" for no apparent reason other than "we don't trust the government."
Well I don't trust the government either, but I am capable of separating obvious incompetence from sheer malevolence.
Agree 100%. Also a lot of things can be blamed on an bloated and incompetent government that just isn't capable of getting things done, let alone getting them done properly.
I'm fine with people having their conspiracy theories. It's kind of fun sometimes to kill time by reading into some of them and see how crazy things get and how some coincidences line up. But I just don't see the real value in obsessing over them.
The problem with telling conspiracy theorist that they are stupid and should just go home is we are the ones that dig. You read the headlines and we read the source material of the source material of the source material. While not every conspiracy holds water, some do and when they do people like you have already dismissed our stories as fabrications.
People want to make believe they're Nicholas Cage in National Treasure, where the clues to a deep government secret are hidden in plain sight and only they can piece it together in just the right way.
It's not like people have been communicating in encrypted messages for hundreds of years or anything. It's not like our ancestors knew the value of encoding messages, rather than hiding them in stupid ways like how to fold a dollar bill, or using lemon juice and heat on the Declaration of Independence to reveal a fully detailed clue in plain English.
Same reason why calling everyone a Nazi is all the rage these days. Basement dwelling creepers want to believe that they would have stood up to Hitler and his jackbooted thugs and told him to go fuck off, when in reality they would have been standing right in the middle of the crowds in Nuremberg, firing off Nazi salutes left and right at command of their precious Fuhrer.
So now they get the chance to be all big and pretend they're fighting Nazis when really they're fighting trolls on the internet and hard-working, middle-class Americans who just want to live in peace.
Doesn't that make Joe Biden as nominee make a whole lot more sense? Somebody a hell of a lot more easier to control. Alternatively I mean I guess last time with Hillary Clinton she was probably just fully on board and they didn't half a controller cuz she just do it they want it anyway
I don’t believe in the whole bush did 9/11 meme. I believe they knew it was a threat and refused to take it seriously. Gross incompetence yes, malicious intent no.
“We will get to the bottom of what happened,” Barr vowed in blistering opening remarks at a police event in New Orleans, “and there will be accountability.”
I wonder how Barr is progressing on that?
Remember when Barr’s dad hired Jeffry Epstein. Pepe Farms rememberers,
Rumor has it that to pray properly you need to have your ass up in the air pointing West.
Common misconception is they're kneeling with forehead to the ground in an Easterly direction, but that is incorrect. It's more of an Ass to Air movement, a releasing of the sphincter.
My sources are anonymous, but the same ones who informed me it's really only Ugly people who insist on wearing masks.
Not any weirder than Bill Clinton wearing Monica Lewinsky's blue dress in that other painting. They're clearly made by the same artist so must be part of a series of paintings of presidents memorializing their biggest scandals.
Not that I'm trying to give a pass to pedo island, but these have clear messaging and I don't see that it's "W did 9/11".
Genius. Another key takeaway is the fact he's sitting on the floor while the chair behind the Presidential desk is empty. I think the artist may be conveying he was not actually the leader/decision maker for our Country.
I just noticed something else. The desk look like it's the front of the desk (the side where you usually sit and the drawers and doors are facing you for accessibility) is turned around because the chair is on the other side.
Also it doesn't look like the Resolute desk we know that is there at the White House.
Also he's not even looking at the "mess" he made. He's just looking away with a smile, which could imply that he's doing the "See no evil" or "Turning a blind eye" to the whole situation.
And the use of a red tie, could imply that he has blood on him and he fully knows this, yet he smiles which means he don't care.
I'm trying to figure out why he have one hand on his left shoe. I'm thinking maybe he's holding it like a child who thinks the whole situation is funny, or I think this one is a bit far-fetched but he could be indicating he has one foot in the grave, meaning if he gets caught with the lie he made, the mob will come out and lynch him for thousands of lives lost.
From what I can recall...this is disinfo. This painting was made by the same artist that painted the Clinton Blue Dress painting. However Epstein doesn't own this one. You're going to look like a retard if you try to conflate Epstein and 9/11.
as far as it is, there is assumption that note received contained something bad for recipient of note; as for what is not known, assumption also holds that Jebs look is kinda shocked due note
So I watched this several times. Laura Bush's head was down, reading, even before the "note being passed" to George W. As soon as the camera pans, you can see that Laura and Jeb are engaged in conversation about something. At the end, she says something and he reacts like it's a joke, until she shows him the paper. He doesn't need to read it - whatever it is. It's just confirming something she already told him.
Also, Jeb's a baby. That could have been about a delay in his diaper deliveries and he would look that way.
In the painting bush is holding the paper plane....which symbolizes that he controlled it....it's really quite obvious that 911 was an inside job...thus the smirk on bush's face.....
Everybody hated bush except for neocons and delusional party liners. Trump calling Bush the worst president we have ever had at the republican debate while standing next to his brother with his father in the audience is what sold me on voting for him.
Mark my words, the first Democrat to admit that Obama sucked on stage at a debate and refuse to back down is going to become president. Everyone knows Bush sucked, everyone knows Obama sucked, its just that the loud idiots are playing a team sport.
I don't think it's weird, and everyone didn't forget because EPSTEIN NEVER HAD THIS PAINTING.
It's from the same artist as the blue dress Clinton painting, part of a series on presidents. Bush and 9-11, Clinton and Monica, etc. Epstein bought the blue dress one at a NYC Academy of Art fundraiser
sadly we all forgot about this and no one has been brought to justice, they laugh at us and our little viruses while they get away with what they get away with
Anyone that thinks our government didn't have EVERYTHING to do with 9/11 at this point needs to go shelter in place with their mask on and do some studying
Because obviously the girl who drew this painting had super secret connections and this was her way of telling us what the truth is. Anyway, I think most people here will take this painting and OP's contextual argument for the fun shitpost that it is. It's the ones that don't that worry me.
Did we ever think that Epstein(still a dirty pedo) had an actual sense of humor!! Maybe he knew these clowns were all dirty and this was his way to troll them. Doesnt excuse him as pedo.. just remember that even the devil has a sense of humor. Either way fuck clinton and fuck bush and fuck obama!!
Is this real? I'm very up-to-date with Pizzagate but I'd never heard of this. If it's real... damn. It also lends new meaning to that picture of Bill Clinton in a dress, almost as if the paintings are meant to reveal those presidents' secrets. I wonder if there's a whole collection of these...
9/11 wasn’t planned shut the fuck up faggot commies from reddit. I could get a picture made today of the same thing. It isn’t “foreshadowing” if Epstein told an artist to make this after 9/11 happened because he didn’t like Bush or because he was a 9/11 conspiracy faggot. Give me a fucking break.
It isn't as conspiratorial as everyone claims. The artist that did the series used the largest scandal of each of the President's time in office as the subject.
And they got away with it with no consequences and consolidation of their own power. If something major doesn't happen to make these fuckers pay in the next 4 and half years we have with Trump. America is as good as lost.
Information about the painting and the blue dress painting.
The painting has been identified as Parsing Bill by New York-based Australian artist Petrina Ryan-Kleid. (A print version is available on Saatchi Art starting at $40.) The more feverish corners of the internet immediately began to decode the imagery for clues—but the truth is that it was part of a body of student work produced quite independently of Epstein.
The Clinton painting comes from a pair of works by Ryan-Kleid that lightly satirized political figures. Its companion, a painting of George W. Bush called War Games, features the former president sitting on the floor of the White House playing with paper airplanes and two fallen Jenga towers, referencing his manipulation of the attacks of 9/11 to justify war in Iraq, the defining scandal of Bush’s White House tenure. As for Parsing Bill, the blue dress seems a likely reference to the blue dress that served as evidence in the former president’s affair with Monica Lewinsky, the scandal that marked Clinton’s time in office.
I’m fairly certain Epstein didn’t have this painting based on what I’ve read about this piece on the internet. However, it is the same artist as the Clinton in a blue dress painting that he did have.
I'd think this was weird if it were painted prior to 9/11 2001, but it wasn't.
So you have a grad student at the NY Academy of Art who does a series of paintings (Clinton in the blue dress included) as part of her thesis... that Epstein owned them is neither here nor there.
That a NY artist would paint such things - not surprising...
So why do YOU think it's weird? What are the implications you want me to grasp at? ;P
Ok i knew about the bill Clinton blue dress painting and all of Tony podesta's dahmer shit...
But wtf... are you kidding me
Right? I didn't know about this painting!
I don't think it's really hidden/seems like a fairly obvious message in the painting.
I agree, it's very odd he'd have this painting, but on the flip-side, the 9/11 inside job theory isn't exactly rare/unknown. Everyone, whether or not they believe it, is at least aware of it. So, given the 1. wealth of Epstein, and 2. art w/ political figures he has and just art in general, I wouldn't necessarily consider this anything incredibly telling, either. If he believed in the inside-job theory, having a painting representing it isn't that insane.
Of course I'm not saying it's meaningless, either, given Epstein's connections, contact w/ former presidents who've visited his island, and knowing that he essentially extorted powerful figures by holding damaging info over them. So having a painting like this, making this kind of statement, could be a kind of "remember what I know about you," type statement.
Just covering all aspects and more thinking out loud heree
I agree. This isn’t a hidden message.
I think Epstein had weird taste in art and just like painting of political figures and their scandals or conspiracies. Bill Clinton and that blue dress was a big scandal, Bush and 9/11 was a huge deal. Epstein would probably commission a painting of Trump and a Coronavirus. Epstein was a rich guy with money for weird art.
No he's not, he's an international blackmailer. BLACKMAILER. Meaning he holds people's secrets over their heads to control them. HOLDS SECRETS OVER PEOPLES HEADS TO CONTROL THEM. You think the paintings immortalizing two of the worlds most powerful leaders in their greatest scandals being owned by the worlds greatest blackmailer is a simple reflection of artistic taste? Lmao, where the fuck are we finding these people, you got a lot to learn if you're gonna run with us.
I think he had weird taste in art.
I also think he had lots of info on people, obviously. I just don’t think there is hidden meaning in his taste in art.
He can like buying paintings like this (the artist did not even know he owned the blue dress one, so it is not like Epstein commissioned it) and he can be a pedo and have knowledge to blackmail people, but that does not mean the art has a hidden meaning.
Just like a serial killer can eat Fruit Loops everyday for breakfast. Is there hidden meaning behind it? Oh, Dahmer eats Fruit Loops! He is secretly telling us he’s crazy because mental patients are fruit loops. He was sitting there eating cereal and we never caught the hidden message-he was eating cereal, consuming it, and he was a serial killer, consuming bodies...
Do you see how it works? You can assume there is hidden meaning in stuff and try to find it, but sometimes it really is not there. Me saying Dahmer eating Fruit Loops has nothing to do with being a serial killer does not mean I don’t know he was one. It just means that while he was a serial killer, I don’t find any hidden meaning in his breakfast choice. Nor do I find hidden meaning in Epstein’s art choices. I just think he liked the concept of the artist painting the presidents with their big scandals.
The Correlation and Causation fallacy only applies when people are misconstruing causality based on sequence of events. This isn't about the sequence of events this is about tangible connections between the nature of the art and crimes we know he and his associates committed. You're misapplying a fallacy and creating one anew.
You're blasting someone for not assuming a painting means Epstein for sure had evidence 9/11 was planned?
GTFO with that bullshit. Intentional or not, your being an angry troll who wants to exclude a Trump support that doesn't jump to conclusions about paintings (which, by the way, is something a liberal would do/believe), instead of sticking to facts.
I'm not saying your assumption about the painting is wrong, but it is just that, so you've got quite a ways to go yourself if you're going to roll with this community.
Firstly the idea that 9/11 was an inside job did not spring up upon the discovery of this painting. I'm blasting him for being dismissive of the idea and using an incorrectly applied logical fallacy to justify it. At this point why don't you just tell us all how unimportant Seth Rich or Eric Ciaramella is.
I'd make a bet that each piece of art was representative of big shit he had on each person to remind them anytime they visited. Bill Clinton was the head but the body was (probably) Hillary. Likewise the Jenga towers probably represent the twin towers. What other art did Epstein have?
Definitely invited a bunch of well known figures to Lolita island, tricked into having underage sex with the slaves in there, videotaped it, and asked for a few million each time. Easy peasy money.
Considering the whole thing was financed by Israel, it wasn't remotely about money. It was about leverage on political decisions, enough leverage that it represented in some cases nearly total control. Invest tens of millions in a scheme to control the decision makers that create legislation around trillions (plus military power that cannot be bought at any price).
For sure - and the Clinton in a dress painting wasn't even one he commissioned, but a piece created by a fairly famous artist (can't remember who), and I'm fairly certain you can even buy a print online
Could be. And none of these pictures are flattering. Clearly he held government officials in contempt.
Back in the news now:
“15 Years Later, Physics Magazine Concludes: All 3 WTC Towers Collapsed Due to Controlled Demolition”
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/physics-report-911-controlled-demolition/
That was released before the 2016 presidential election.... nothing is happening about it! To think about all the families destroyed by these evil fucks is sickening.
That is interesting, however given the sheer size and tonnage those buildings are. If they were to collapse violently without any sense of control the collateral damage would have been catastrophic.
I'm not a architectural engineer of any sorts so take this as a grain of salt or speculation. Most high rises are built in such a way that if the unforeseen was to happen they would collapse in a certain predictable manner to prevent collateral damage. Hence why when the towers fell, they didn't fall as many of us believe should (through exposure of Hollywood) when being hit by something. Instead they collapsed in a way to prevent the buildings in causing a catastrophic cascade of damage.
My major issue is that Building 7 is highly suspicious and I do believe that was controlled demo in some form. Makes no sense that air pressure from the collapse made that building fall, but other buildings around the Twin Towers were completely fine.
Im not sure thats correct re planned collapse.
Controlled demolition can take years to set up, but would instead be very simple if this were the case.
I mean its a hypothesis, like I said I'm not a structural engineer.
Maybe Epstein is just into conspiracy theories , yeah riiight
I'm sure there's more behind his possessing this painting, I'm just pointing out there are a number of possibilities, and I wouldn't necessarily jump to any conclusions, especially any implied notion that this is proof of 9/11 as an inside job, Epstein's involvement in anything related, etc. There are a lot of possibilities. Something like there being a popular sentiment of the 9/11 conspiracy theory, something many people believe, and exploiting that awareness by decking the walls of your house w/ art that makes these kinds of statements to anyone who visits (which were often very powerful people, elites/politicians, etc). Didn't really word that as well as I'd have liked, but basically saying he could have been weaponizing/exploiting popular theories and narratives that people believe for some other self-serving purpose. Something still nefarious, but not necessarily suggestive of anything profound, like proof 9/11 was an inside job and he knew it, etc. Just playing devil's advocate from all possible angles
I don't even know how to respond. We're talking about a man whose job was to trap the worlds most important people with their secrets outs. You think two massive oi paintings, with two of the worlds most powerful leaders, captured while surrounded and draped in symbols of their greatest scandals, were inspired by what he gathered from the public press? He's making general social commentary with his painting, while he is the worlds greatest blackmailer? C'mon man, we gotta smarter than the naive sheep.
I never once expressed what I thought, and specifically stated my entire purpose of the comment was to encourage people to think critically, not jump to conclusions, and approach something like this from all angles - quite the opposite of being naive sheep, so... "c'mon man," we gotta be better than speaking like Jim Crow Pedo Joe Biden
It's pretty strange considering Epstein was a Mossad agent, and if we narrow down the most likely perpetrators of 9/11... (dancing Israelis?) ...there's definitely something questionable there.
I'll tell you this much. Bush was part of Skull and Bones, and ALL 'schools of mystery' (most presidents have been a part of one) descend from a single place of religious significance.
Yeah it is interesting how most presidents were part of a small group of secret societies at their schools, but I also know from attending (a different) ivy league that they're pretty benign. I got invited to join 2 but declined; they're basically just a frat house that isn't in the formalized Greek system - at least at my school - and known most for either public acts of volunteering, or the complete opposite, and behaving with reckless abandon in childish games, like stealing valuable antiques from throughout the campus and its buildings. Most tend to join for similar reasons to joining a fraternity: social life/partying, and networking
This is exactly how they operate at the lowest levels of entry. A fun, supportive, extra family that all have taken vows to go out of their way to support each other. Sounds positive and innocent. Even in my own circle of peers, I've known friends who join societies who are legitimately good people at heart. But they're still making a mistake, and will have to forgive themselves for the innocent error and hopefully cut ties.
This is the outer circle of masonry. Some say it extends from 1-32 degrees, and others insist even the 33rd is still being deprived of core information. Notice that in these societies, the one prerequisite of entry is that you believe in a higher power. Any religion, any race, anyone is welcome barring they believe this.
But who is the higher power they learn to serve as they ascend degree by degree? According to the publicly available book, Morals and Dogma, written by Albert Pike (once the highest ranking Freemason in the West), they worship Lucifer.
Now what happens when these 'mystery schools' become intertwined with the most powerful people of U.S politics? The Freemasons first allegiance is not to the country, it is to other Freemasons. At the highest levels, the Freemasons essentially function as an organized crime syndicate.
I'm well aware, and know more than I care to about the freemasons and everything. I'm just saying, at least with these secret/hidden societies at my school, they enjoy being shrouded in mystery and linked to these kinds of theories, but they're really nothing more than frat boys larping. Now, I have no experience with the skull and bones, or any of Yale or Harvard's secret societies, so it's entirely possible I'm making false assumptions by equating the ones from my school to these ones, but they are the general equivalent, from a school in the same conference/division, also having "important/powerful," members (present and past), as well as totally inconsequential members right down to those sitting on their board of directors, etc.
But again, I'm not entirely disagreeing, and before having any direct experience, but having spent a lot of time independently researching this kind of stuff, I definitely found it plausible and extremely interesting, creating links between these groups and things like the Bilderbergs, etc, but I'm less inclined now; unless things have radically changed in the past couple decades and they were far more influential in the past.
Does anybody have a place where i can read more about the 9/11 inside job theory? Thanks in advance
architects and engineers for 9/11 truth, ae911truth.org i think is the website. might be confusing it with my username. a documentary "loose change final cut" would be my best recommendation for a film on it. " pentacon" is a great documentary focusing just on the pentagon part
Loose change was destroyed by popular mechanics. That documentary was done by a couple of liberal pussies that understood none of the science.
9/11 was planned. I spent years debunking 9/11 conspiracies, but even I will admit it was planned. This wasnt the first terrorist attack on the towers.
https://thepentacon.com/
Or he's just a tasteless pedophile who thinks it's funny to have paintings of his client's biggest scandals.
9/11 wasn't planned. Not because I don't think that the government is willing to do that, but simply because the evidence suggests otherwise.
Id agree with you if it wasnt for one thing.
One day before 9/11, Rumsfeld said that 2,3 Trillion Dollar were missing from the Pentagom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU
Then, the part of the Pentagon investigating it gets hit by the "airplane" and we never hear about that investigation again
And the only footage of the pentagon "plane" hit is a cloudy CCTV video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs
Which looks like a damn Rocket flying even to the ground.
I think this is a reach
It's really not so much of a reach. The terrorist hijacker "pilot" who flew into the Pentagon, was given an appraisal that found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources... Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself"
The flight data of Flight 77 suggest its trajectory in the given time frame is impossible for the given commercial aircraft, due to the degree of banks and decrease in altitude at a very fast rate, which would be almost impossible for even the most skilled and experienced pilots to perform without error.
A trained pilot attempted the exact maneuvers of flight 77 in a simulator on repeated attempts and was not once able to do it without failure. If our best and most trained can't pull that maneuver, what suggests an incompetent pilot such as Hanojour even stood a chance.
There are many other questions, such as the disappearance of the engines of flight 77, as well as man other scientific questions that have yet to be answered regarding 9/11 in its entirety. 911 really is the first red pill if you start going into the details and pay attention to some of the questions that have been unanswered. It's a rabbit hole with some disinfo spread about, but if you pay attention to the scientific aspects and question why the government's response and omission in their 911 commission report, it does beg the question of what really happened that day.
IIRC there were some military air exercises that just "happened" to be on that same day as well
www.thepentacon.com
It is, they're autistic.
Do you really believe that in one day the Bush administration was able to throw together something like the 9/11 attacks and keep it successfully hidden all as cover to destroy some records in the Pentagon?
Secrets aren’t as hard to keep as people think they are.
D-day happened, million of little cogs involved, only a few people at the top had to know what the plan really was. Every year the new video game or movie comes and no one knows the script. The number 1 argument against conspiracies is “people would talk”. Well guess what? People have talked. You and I are talking, people who claim to have 1st and 2nd hand knowledge have talked. I guess it’s not true unless CNN says it is?
Indeed, lots of people talked. Many later died in mysterious circumstances. I reckon theyre as likely to have killed themselves as Epstein is. I have no idea what really happened, but the stench of bullshit is overpowering.
I think it's more than a little ridiculous to compare a secret conspiracy to stage a false flag attack on a civilian population center with the D-Day invasion of Normandy.
The latter involved keeping the particular details of a military operation suppressed for a few months from a foreign enemy, could be achieved by isolating involved personnel on bases where they had minimal contact with outsiders, and only needed to last just as long as it took to actually carry out the operation. Further illustrating the point, the Germans were well aware that an invasion was coming, hence the considerable defenses they had prepared along the French coastline. They simply weren't able to glean the exact time and place when and where it would be undertaken. In fact, one of the chief concerns of the operation planners when the invasions kept getting delayed due to unfavorable conditions was that eventually someone was going to blab.
The former requires keeping a massive secret indefinitely from one's own family and countrymen who they interact with daily, necessitates that every soldier and contractor involved never develops a conscience and chooses to expose the whole operation or accidentally lets something slip, demands absolute destruction of all evidence from thousands of investigators pouring through all available material in the aftermath, and also requires thousands of bystanders conveniently not noticing demolition charges being placed and detonating inside Tower 7 or a cruise missile flying over a population center.
Likewise, hundreds of leaks happen every year involving high profile video games. Hell, just a few weeks ago pretty much the entire plot of The Last of Us Part II leaked and resulted in a shitstorm that's still ongoing.
I heard they found paraphernelia from the plane in the rubble.
I don't believe the rocket theory.
9/11 was my red pill, but not that way.
Bullshit. WTC-7 fell as if by controlled demolition. That takes planning and preparation.
If you look at the actual video, the collapse takes far longer. The edited clips reduce the evidence to fit the hypothesis that it was falling at free fall.
The NBC stuff put on top to protect the ad hoc bunker put in building 7 is clearly falling through a collapsed ceiling prior to the "crimp" being apparent in the structure.
Bullshit.
WTC 7 straddled the subway line which the the towers fell into. With the support beams already damaged the structure collapsed.
But if you want to continue that inane theory which was it? Did they fly the planes in by remote control to cover up the planned demolition? Or did they plant the demolition charges to cover up the planes being flown in by remote control?
There’s plenty of more plausible conspiracy theories going around than to claim WTC 7 was a controlled demolition so there’s your proof that 9/11 was an inside job. How about the saudis backing OBL and we promptly attacked... Afghanistan then Iraq.
We invaded Afghanistan because it was supposedly where Bin Laden was hiding. We then of course found him being sheltered in Pakistan down the fucking street from a police station, and yet strangely never did anything to them. Curious.
Did the steel beams all melt/fail at the exact same moment in time which caused WTC to collapse in its own footprint, similar to controlled demolition? If there was structural failure in the beams, one would assume they may occur in different intervals/locations and suggest in such a case that the building's collapse would be towards the point of least resistance.
That was not the case on 911 where the buildings that collapsed all seemed to have their steel beams fail at the exact same moment of time, emulating a perfect controlled demolition.
Rocket fuel doesn't burn for months either
I know of a world-class welding engineer who, when asked about how the towers collapsed, essentially said this: "When heated to 600° F significantly loses its strength."
The heated floor(s) bowed and dis-joining from the perimeter mounts causing a pancaking chain reaction that also pushed the exoskeleton perfectly outwards.
No planned demolition.
I don't think it's was done by a plane or whatever you claim it to be. It does look like a planned demolition to me. Watch the video and the building goes down as if it got demolished by dynamites, just like any other buildings slated to be demolished.
Video here
I'm not disputing your claim but would it not be damage and chaos enough to ram two commercial airplanes into the twin towers? Why would the CIA or whoever want to destroy WTC-7 and the Twin Towers? Or was the destruction of one just a distraction for the destruction of the other?
They wanted a new Pearl Harbor so that they could increase the power of the government with the patriot act without resistance, start new wars in the Middle East, and hide the missing $2Trillion that the pentagon was investigating.
OK. But, again, taking over all of those commercial airplanes and using them as missiles was enough to do that. Rigging an additional building with explosives seems unnecessary if another Pearl Harbor was the goal.
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNAR
what was underneath wtc 7
A vault full of gold... well the gold was removed a couple days before the attack, so just a vault.
Edit: I may have been mistaken about which building in the complex had the vault in question.
it was the staging hq for rigging bldgs 1&2.
It was nineteen Islamic terrorists. Not the CIA
I'm getting downloaded for this? Really?
We have seen what an honest bunch works at the CIA over the last few years. We have also seen how unlikely it is that they would ever lie or conspire against the American people.
Unfortunately we have some real troofer tards on this new T_D. While you were sipping on juice boxes or yet to be scraped off a sheet I worked at WTC2 was there that day and there was no inside job or controlled anything. Tons of building material pipes glass furniture computers wiring all set ablaze by burning aircraft fuel a 1/4 mile up in the air causing steel to bend and truss joints to collapse, when the towers fell damage was extended to a wide area of nearby buildings and underground infrastructure. No cartoon like outlines of damage in the shape of planes in the attacked buildings. That’s it. The brown man good white man bad narrative was destroyed that day but DUmmies would rather blame our own government than foreign enemies. And yes the Clinton admin created all the conditions to allow this to occur.
I saw that SD video proof.
It was an SD video.
9/11 was absolutely planned. How much research have you done on this? If you are the least bit analytical and honest, the most superficial research would at least have you earnestly questioning the official report. There are just a few key points that absolutely blow the 9/11 Commission straight out of the water.
Of course it was planned, attacks usually are. But it wasn't a controlled demolition.
https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
We don't know who funded that attackers and who cares amirite? Edit: I was paraphrasing 'The 9/11 Commission Report". What they actually said was that the funding for the attacks "is of little practical significance". So smart!
Building 7
Fell into the subway.
This exactly
It was never hidden. It's a big fucking joke to the elites.
I think it just meant Clinton and Bush Jr were Epstein's bitch. He had these paintings made just to clown them.
Yes. And Brennan was high up that ladder. He made sure the jihadi fucks got into the US.
Hehmmm?
You did kind of a shit job of explaining it, but yeah, pedo shit for blackmail is old news for this crowd
No need for detail i just said it's essentially common knowledge
Edit: btw you can't just say "above" if you're referring to some other users post & expect people to just get that, i don't think
You could've linked to the post once, rather than twice explain that a post exists somewhere in the thread.
Can someone confirm that Epstein owned this painting? All I can see is that the same artist painted it
He only owned the Clinton one from what I remember. Kinda disappointed that I’m having trouble finding anyone pointing that out.
Epstein did NOT own this piece, it’s just by the same artist as the Clinton blue dress piece.
I mean, I think this is a very fitting piece of artwork. What it says to me is one reason why I left the GOP and turned independent.
Little bush was NOT a good president.
Think of this as artwork. Busy being a dumb child playing games, plans crashing towers and he just goes along.
Sure it could be a conspiracy but it also could just be about how dumb and children and shitty of a leader he is.
Either way both have some truth and it's why I turned independent eventually and now am pure lion MAGA party today.
Petrina Ryan-Kleid. Had no idea that Epstein owned them.
It may be time to re-examine your life's work if you find yourself popular in the pedophile community.
Lol that author. Even the Soviets would've executed him for being too far gone
I can’t find an article that suggests that Epstein owned the Bush one.
There are many quotes by the artist that she didn’t know where the two paintings had wound up, and I don’t see any direct claims that Epstein owned both.
Very weird. It could be as simple as a sign of his power fetish (degrading pictures of powerful people), or it could be something deeper. Hard to know, but it’s without doubt very weird.
I think its showing that Bush was basically a Joe Biden. A manchurian candidate.
...or you know, the very obvious symbolism of the two toppled towers with two paper airplanes referring to the 9/11 attacks and alluding to the thought that Bush was behind the attacks. Not that I agree with that thought, but that's obviously what this painting is about.
https://www.conspiracies.net/the-twin-towers-on-money-conspiracy-theory/
Fold a $5, $10, $20, $50, $100 and get the twin towers being destroyed. Don't worry Snopes says it's fake, end discussion.
Fake real, doesn't matter, it's just as weird as the Epstein paintings
So many things wrong with these stupid ideas of "secret messages." First thing I'll point out is the obvious fact that the $20 bill used was last issued in 1996, meaning the design was likely finalized sometime during 1995. This means that not only did they have the plan for the WTC collapse in place up to six years before they enacted it, but they also had an uncanny ability to exactly see how it would play out! (Look at how the smoke "exactly" matches!).
Secondly, what kind of idiots would advertise this type of stuff? It's the stuff made out of Hollywood movies and shit books like the Da Vinci Code, where things are "hidden" in plain sight and only the super genius can fold the dollar bill the exact way to make the clues line up. If you were planning on killing thousands of your own citizens and creating a false pretense to war, why would you put it on the design of every fucking bill in circulation? It makes no sense to me what the government would have gained from purposely including these designs in public currency.
As much as I love this place, I cringe every time anything remotely related to 9/11 is brought up. Some of the conspiracy theories that get upvoted as "proof" it was an inside job are eye-rollingly stupid.
Yup. I stepped in once to argue people on the subject and actually sent links to well-detailed explanations behind the science of what went down that day and was downvoted and eventually had to block about a half-dozen people. Sad times, but no community is perfect. I usually try to roll my eyes and just move on but there seems to be quite a few here who are absolutely adamant about "9/11 was an inside job" for no apparent reason other than "we don't trust the government."
Well I don't trust the government either, but I am capable of separating obvious incompetence from sheer malevolence.
Agree 100%. Also a lot of things can be blamed on an bloated and incompetent government that just isn't capable of getting things done, let alone getting them done properly.
I'm fine with people having their conspiracy theories. It's kind of fun sometimes to kill time by reading into some of them and see how crazy things get and how some coincidences line up. But I just don't see the real value in obsessing over them.
The problem with telling conspiracy theorist that they are stupid and should just go home is we are the ones that dig. You read the headlines and we read the source material of the source material of the source material. While not every conspiracy holds water, some do and when they do people like you have already dismissed our stories as fabrications.
This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
People want to make believe they're Nicholas Cage in National Treasure, where the clues to a deep government secret are hidden in plain sight and only they can piece it together in just the right way.
It's not like people have been communicating in encrypted messages for hundreds of years or anything. It's not like our ancestors knew the value of encoding messages, rather than hiding them in stupid ways like how to fold a dollar bill, or using lemon juice and heat on the Declaration of Independence to reveal a fully detailed clue in plain English.
This is really what’s going on. Some dude wants to feel smart and important and like he’s solving a big mystery and in a Disney movie
Same reason why calling everyone a Nazi is all the rage these days. Basement dwelling creepers want to believe that they would have stood up to Hitler and his jackbooted thugs and told him to go fuck off, when in reality they would have been standing right in the middle of the crowds in Nuremberg, firing off Nazi salutes left and right at command of their precious Fuhrer.
So now they get the chance to be all big and pretend they're fighting Nazis when really they're fighting trolls on the internet and hard-working, middle-class Americans who just want to live in peace.
Tell us how you really feel. I think you missed the point that it is just as weird as the painting of Bush with the paper airplane.
All our presidents before Trump were ACTORS pretending to be president
Doesn't that make Joe Biden as nominee make a whole lot more sense? Somebody a hell of a lot more easier to control. Alternatively I mean I guess last time with Hillary Clinton she was probably just fully on board and they didn't half a controller cuz she just do it they want it anyway
This
Or as a child playing out of his league.
I don’t believe in the whole bush did 9/11 meme. I believe they knew it was a threat and refused to take it seriously. Gross incompetence yes, malicious intent no.
Agree that this is the most likely truth.
And this
At what point is their no difference?
It feels like people have completely forgotten about Epstein all together. A story that could bring down giants and no one will go after it
AG Barr on August 12 ,2019 [IN RE: Epstein]:
“We will get to the bottom of what happened,” Barr vowed in blistering opening remarks at a police event in New Orleans, “and there will be accountability.”
I wonder how Barr is progressing on that?
Remember when Barr’s dad hired Jeffry Epstein. Pepe Farms rememberers,
Because anyone who could dig into it is probably implicated by whatever files Epstein had on them.
The simple and most probable truth.
You try to Explain Epstein to normies and they look at you as if YOU'RE crazy.
Why not both.
Rumor has it that to pray properly you need to have your ass up in the air pointing West.
Common misconception is they're kneeling with forehead to the ground in an Easterly direction, but that is incorrect. It's more of an Ass to Air movement, a releasing of the sphincter.
My sources are anonymous, but the same ones who informed me it's really only Ugly people who insist on wearing masks.
Not any weirder than Bill Clinton wearing Monica Lewinsky's blue dress in that other painting. They're clearly made by the same artist so must be part of a series of paintings of presidents memorializing their biggest scandals.
Not that I'm trying to give a pass to pedo island, but these have clear messaging and I don't see that it's "W did 9/11".
That is unequivocally what this painting is saying lol.
Not saying that it’s true BUT... look when Mueller was appointed head of the FBI
The REAL real meaning in this painting?
Paper airplanes can't knock down Jenga towers.
The only feasible way they could have fallen is by Bush's hand.
Genius. Another key takeaway is the fact he's sitting on the floor while the chair behind the Presidential desk is empty. I think the artist may be conveying he was not actually the leader/decision maker for our Country.
I just noticed something else. The desk look like it's the front of the desk (the side where you usually sit and the drawers and doors are facing you for accessibility) is turned around because the chair is on the other side.
Also it doesn't look like the Resolute desk we know that is there at the White House.
Also he's not even looking at the "mess" he made. He's just looking away with a smile, which could imply that he's doing the "See no evil" or "Turning a blind eye" to the whole situation.
And the use of a red tie, could imply that he has blood on him and he fully knows this, yet he smiles which means he don't care.
I'm trying to figure out why he have one hand on his left shoe. I'm thinking maybe he's holding it like a child who thinks the whole situation is funny, or I think this one is a bit far-fetched but he could be indicating he has one foot in the grave, meaning if he gets caught with the lie he made, the mob will come out and lynch him for thousands of lives lost.
Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams. Controlled demolition
From what I can recall...this is disinfo. This painting was made by the same artist that painted the Clinton Blue Dress painting. However Epstein doesn't own this one. You're going to look like a retard if you try to conflate Epstein and 9/11.
But it has to be true, I saw it on the internet. Thanks. I was looking for some background. I will stop looking.
Likely work for the same boss but you're right, no reason for him to touch that project.
Hes hopefully about to get dealt with
Yeah, I really hope we eventually get to know what was going on there.
as far as it is, there is assumption that note received contained something bad for recipient of note; as for what is not known, assumption also holds that Jebs look is kinda shocked due note
So I watched this several times. Laura Bush's head was down, reading, even before the "note being passed" to George W. As soon as the camera pans, you can see that Laura and Jeb are engaged in conversation about something. At the end, she says something and he reacts like it's a joke, until she shows him the paper. He doesn't need to read it - whatever it is. It's just confirming something she already told him.
Also, Jeb's a baby. That could have been about a delay in his diaper deliveries and he would look that way.
Good catch maybe you are right????
In the painting bush is holding the paper plane....which symbolizes that he controlled it....it's really quite obvious that 911 was an inside job...thus the smirk on bush's face.....
Titled ‘War Games’
While the subject matter appears conspiratorial, the art shows talent. It is a surprise to learn they were a graduate school project.
Thanks canadianhere for the research.
Not weird at all. Just like jet fuel melting steel. Or neighboring buildings going down like demolition without being ‘hit’.
Nope, not weird.
Put your mask back on !!
Epstein was a very warped man. I'm not sure we should try to read anything into the art he had comissioned.
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/bill-clinton-blue-dress-painting-jeffrey-epstein-1628437
According to this article, it was painted in 2012.
I HATE George Bush, but if this were a painting of Nathaniel Rothschild, it would be more accurate.
I think he’s making bush looking a bafoon. Don’t forget how much the liberals hated bush
They love him now though. And they love the wars too. Remember the "gas attack" in Syria?
They love him because they no longer need to destroy him. He’s not longer a useful to them
Its part of the psyop imo. The Patriot Act, nationalization of airport security. Bush was a dream for the globalists, his father was a spook as well.
Everybody hated bush except for neocons and delusional party liners. Trump calling Bush the worst president we have ever had at the republican debate while standing next to his brother with his father in the audience is what sold me on voting for him.
Mark my words, the first Democrat to admit that Obama sucked on stage at a debate and refuse to back down is going to become president. Everyone knows Bush sucked, everyone knows Obama sucked, its just that the loud idiots are playing a team sport.
Inside Job.
Do I think it's odd that a leftwing pervert blamed the Republican president for 9/11? No. Why?
Sickos, the whole establisment.
I don't think it's weird, and everyone didn't forget because EPSTEIN NEVER HAD THIS PAINTING.
It's from the same artist as the blue dress Clinton painting, part of a series on presidents. Bush and 9-11, Clinton and Monica, etc. Epstein bought the blue dress one at a NYC Academy of Art fundraiser
God social media is a disaster for disinfo
Two planes and two towers. Pretty obvious what it’s implying.
That could very well be just an artists opinion of what went down. Actually, it is most likely political satire art.
Not sure what kind of conspiracy you are trying to spin, but I'd recommend getting outside for some Vitamin D and fresh air.
It’s not weird. I heard Epstein was one of the founders of Urban Moving Systems Inc.
sadly we all forgot about this and no one has been brought to justice, they laugh at us and our little viruses while they get away with what they get away with
revolt
weren't pretty much ass the hijackers saudi's too?
Anyone that thinks our government didn't have EVERYTHING to do with 9/11 at this point needs to go shelter in place with their mask on and do some studying
Because obviously the girl who drew this painting had super secret connections and this was her way of telling us what the truth is. Anyway, I think most people here will take this painting and OP's contextual argument for the fun shitpost that it is. It's the ones that don't that worry me.
Did we ever think that Epstein(still a dirty pedo) had an actual sense of humor!! Maybe he knew these clowns were all dirty and this was his way to troll them. Doesnt excuse him as pedo.. just remember that even the devil has a sense of humor. Either way fuck clinton and fuck bush and fuck obama!!
Their symbolism will be their downfall. Although in this case...
Is this real? I'm very up-to-date with Pizzagate but I'd never heard of this. If it's real... damn. It also lends new meaning to that picture of Bill Clinton in a dress, almost as if the paintings are meant to reveal those presidents' secrets. I wonder if there's a whole collection of these...
9/11 wasn’t planned shut the fuck up faggot commies from reddit. I could get a picture made today of the same thing. It isn’t “foreshadowing” if Epstein told an artist to make this after 9/11 happened because he didn’t like Bush or because he was a 9/11 conspiracy faggot. Give me a fucking break.
Like some weird twin towers message, with Bush laughing about it with the planes. Don’t know what to think but it’s fucked up.
It isn't as conspiratorial as everyone claims. The artist that did the series used the largest scandal of each of the President's time in office as the subject.
911 was an inside job.
And they got away with it with no consequences and consolidation of their own power. If something major doesn't happen to make these fuckers pay in the next 4 and half years we have with Trump. America is as good as lost.
Larry Silverstein and his magically disappearing 99-year-lease? Whatchu talkin' 'bout?
https://archive.is/4Jivw
Information about the painting and the blue dress painting.
Nevermind that the author is a shithead.
I’m fairly certain Epstein didn’t have this painting based on what I’ve read about this piece on the internet. However, it is the same artist as the Clinton in a blue dress painting that he did have.
Something I didn’t already know for the first time in forever
I haven't seen this before now. WTC 7 didn't demolish itself.
My opinion of the entire Bush family has plummeted.
No way to tell, but it does look like it was painted by the same artist as the artist who painted Old Billy in the blue dress.
I think it’s weird that we keep getting ‘told’ about all of the strange bits of Epstein’s life, except for HOW HE WAS MURDERED.
Any portrait of anybody hanging in Jeffrey Epstein’s house probably means that they did some pretty disgusting shit to children.
Does anyone have proof this is an actual painting in Epstein’s possessions?
I'd think this was weird if it were painted prior to 9/11 2001, but it wasn't.
So you have a grad student at the NY Academy of Art who does a series of paintings (Clinton in the blue dress included) as part of her thesis... that Epstein owned them is neither here nor there.
That a NY artist would paint such things - not surprising...
So why do YOU think it's weird? What are the implications you want me to grasp at? ;P
Petrina Ryan-Kleid is the artist's name BTW.