You’re seriously conflating Thailand and Vietnam- mainland Asian countries with literal cultures of corruption and large, exposed, uncontrollable land borders- with Japan?
Japan the Archipelago Otaku of Asia and general fanatical isolationist weirdo whose bureaucrats get off On the mere THOUGHT of being able to get one of their rivals in a corruption probe?
You might want to double check.
The Japanese might underreporting ChiCom flu deaths- indeed, probably are given the whole shame culture- but that can’t overturn how the real number of Japanese COVID deaths is very low.
Edit: previously said “real number of Chinese COVId deaths”, now fixed. I was an idiot.
The Wuhan flu is just a flu. That is why Western governments have resorted to counting non-Wuhan flu deaths as Wuhan flu deaths.
It isn't surprising that the Wuhan flu didn't kill many people in China. It isn't killing many people in the West, either.
I'm not saying I trust China, I'm saying the "thing" with the Wuhan flu isn't that it's a "deadly virus". The "thing" is the hysterical overreaction. That is what China wanted to spread to us, and it did.
Because the PRC is a totalitarian dictatorship established on tyranny and terror and sustained through pervasive lying about almost everything. Especially mortality. So take the potential for book cooking and pervasive lying we see in US statistics and take them up to eleven.
The Wuhan flu is just a flu. That is why Western governments have resorted to counting non-Wuhan flu deaths as Wuhan flu deaths.
The flu usually claims more lives. Especially in crowded, smog filled industrial hellscapes like Wuhan.
The PRC is trying to claim that the entire PRC has fewer deaths than NYC. In spite of nearly a quarter of a year where the Communist Party did nothing or worse than nothing while it spread throughout an insanely dense festival in the insanely dense city of Wuhan, and then used barbaric measures like welding in.
You know what I call their numbers?
Horse crap.
It isn't surprising that the Wuhan flu didn't kill many people in China.
Yes, yes it absolutely is.
It is surprising that we are supposed to believe that Wuhan COVID killed fewer people in the entirety of the tyrannical, smog ridden, life-is-cheap-when-socialism-is-free PRC than in NYC. They make the brothers Cuomo and Kaiser Wilhelm of Noo Yawk look like saints.
It isn’t surprising that it didn’t kill HUGE numbers of people like the Black Death, but it is surprising that immensely dense and generally shithole inland cities that would often view NYC as an affluent suburb or gated community got off better.
It isn't killing many people in the West, either.
Sure. But it is killing people. And by logic it would kill far more people in places like Wuhan.
And all of this was because of a retarded typo I made mixing up the nationalities.
I agree. But it's easy to believe the Wuhan flu didn't kill many in China because the Wuhan flu doesn't kill many, anywhere.
The flu usually claims more lives. Especially in crowded, smog filled industrial hellscapes like Wuhan. The PRC is trying to claim that the entire PRC has fewer deaths than NYC. In spite of nearly a quarter of a year where the Communist Party did nothing or worse than nothing while it spread throughout an insanely dense festival in the insanely dense city of Wuhan, and then used barbaric measures like welding in.
Probably total mortality rate goes down under draconian lockdown. You probably find less deaths from bumps to the head in padded cells, too.
There was never any risk with the Wuhan flu. It's a flu at worst, made up entirely at best.
It is surprising that we are supposed to believe that Wuhan COVID killed fewer people in the entirety of the tyrannical, smog ridden, life-is-cheap-when-socialism-is-free PRC than in NYC
There's your problem!!!
You think the numbers coming out the US are accurate!
They're counting shooting deaths as wuhan flu.
The wuhan flu isn't killing many people anywhere, not just in China. The hysterical overreaction is the weapon.
Sure. But it is killing people
Is it though? How would we know? (this is an invitation to dig into the tests, all of which are based off an RNA fragment of indeterminate frequency of occurrence and aren't really testing for anything, never mind for a virus).
I agree. But it's easy to believe the Wuhan flu didn't kill many in China because the Wuhan flu doesn't kill many, anywhere.
Define "many."
Many on the grand scale of things like moderate bugs like SARS or so on? No.
But many as in "dozens of thousands more than that?" Sure.
Probably total mortality rate goes down under draconian lockdown. You probably find less deaths from bumps to the head in padded cells, too.
Except it would mostly go down as a trailing indicator, in other words it'd take some time to show.
There was never any risk with the Wuhan flu. It's a flu at worst, made up entirely at best.
If this were the case they wouldn't have had such trouble containing it.
It's not a world killer, but they're idiots.
There's your problem!!! You think the numbers coming out the US are accurate!
No, I absolutely do not.
However, they are almost certainly more accurate than any numbers out of the CCP.
This is NOT because I have great faith in the honesty of corrupt Leftist bureaucrats or their states.
It is merely a testament to the mind-numbing, all encompassing corruption and pervasive dishonesty in Socialism.
They're counting shooting deaths as wuhan flu.
I am well aware. And CCP counting is almost certainly more egregious, just in the opposite direction.
The wuhan flu isn't killing many people anywhere, not just in China.
Agreed, but even (to use the bogus numbers people are citing for the US) 100K in even a city the size of Wuhan- let alone throughout the CCP itself- would not be "many", certainly not on a grand scale.
The hysterical overreaction is the weapon.
It is A weapon, the most prevalent of several.
Others included spreading infected people, using Chinese subjects abroad to hoard equipment from other countries, and so on.
WuFlu isn't that serious, but that doesn't make the PRC numbers believable. Especially when you count per capita and factor in the delayed reaction.
But above all we should know we're not dealing with a Black Plague..except perhaps a Black Plague of panic and creeping tyranny.
Many on the grand scale of things like moderate bugs like SARS or so on? No.
But many as in "dozens of thousands more than that?" Sure.
The Wuhan flu is on course to be a slightly worse than usual flu season.
And how about those flu and pneumonia deaths this year? Lower than usual?
If this were the case they wouldn't have had such trouble containing it.
If "there was never any risk with the Wuhan flu" were tru, then China wouldn't have had such trouble containing it?
Why are you precluding the possibility of a highly infectious but harmless virus? After all, that is the most likely scenario here.
However, they are almost certainly more accurate than any numbers out of the CCP.
These faked numbers are more accurate than those faked numbers? On what basis?
It is merely a testament to the mind-numbing, all encompassing corruption and pervasive dishonesty in Socialism.
The dishonesty was in China's initial overreaction. They initially set out to cause the world to panic over this year's flu season.
Others included spreading infected people
Spreading panic. There was never any danger from the infected people themselves.
using Chinese subjects abroad to hoard equipment from other countries
Also spreading panic. Create artificial shortages of supplies people think they need desperately (but actually they don't need them at all).
WuFlu isn't that serious, but that doesn't make the PRC numbers believable. Especially when you count per capita and factor in the delayed reaction
But you are trying to take the US' inflated numbers and apply them per capita to China. The US' numbers aren't accurate to begin with. Neither are China's, granted, but that gives us no basis to conclude any of the things you've concluded.
But above all we should know we're not dealing with a Black Plague..except perhaps a Black Plague of panic and creeping tyranny.
You must be some sort of expert. I've been to all of those nation's you mention multiple times and they have very little in common with one another.
You are very short-sighted if you don't understand that monocultural, nationalist people want to take care of each other instead of participate in what the Democrats created here.
Our multicultural open borders loving overlords created this. Sorry I didn't spell it out for you.
This picture in Japan is from 2014: https://i.imgur.com/Nqvgvpz.png
Yeah, they suck to wear. I hate wearing them for hours on end, but they help.
I suspect that the level of handwashing practiced there has been much higher than ours as well.
Very early during the US outbreak (before the CDC had even commented on masks) I did have a Japanese patient who had been in Wuhan and was worried that they might have the disease. The patient came in wearing an n95 and gloves. The patient ended up testing negative for the disease.
Vancouver BC Can-Pede here. Two old dementia riddle ladies living next door in our condo. Phlip nurses sat outside their condo on the patio for hours on their phones texting. Barely EVER went in to see them. Old women always smelled like they just shit themselves. The apartment was a pigsty! No one, the Phlips, their company, or the government gave a FUCK!
Canada unofficially has a two-tiered system. If you have private healthcare, you go WAYYYYY ahead of the line. 30 second wait vs a 4 and a half hour wait. I used to have it and my ass wouldn't hit the chair before they called me.
Our cultural preservation has long since decayed.. being American has lost its identity. That is our greatest poison as was it to every culture that failed.
Why ayh support a civil war, to create a resurgence of identity
I don't want that for my kids to have to clean up, and revolution is a chaos that almost always allows for another evil to set up shop. Maybe a peaceful secession and formation of a new state that adheres to the Constitution and traditional values? If liberals, illegals, and those who don't want to work leave on their own accord, then you're pretty much left with a low corruption, low crime rate, working class traditional culture.
Japan is....interesting. Rigid social constructs. Ingrained respect for elders is not a bad thing, and I suspect it helped keep their caseload down.
America (and by that I mean Dem govs and the CDC) is using the elderly to boost statistics while trying to hide where those cases originated. Nursing homes. Not in the general population.
Japan shut their schools for a month, and everybody there has a mask. In their culture you are expected to wear a mask when you are sick or might be sick.
Look at the U.S. We started with “Trump is a racist for limiting travel.” then “keep going out and doing stuff,” “masks are ineffective.”
Now it’s “Trump acted too late,” “ keep the lockdown going until there is a vaccine,” and “how dare you not wear a mask!”
It's much more than just the health system. Japanese have developed a much more hygienic culture than the U.S. They effectively don't have places where it can spread as it did here in New York or Louisiana.
As a germaphobe and right now living in NYC, having lived and worked around the world, NYC is the most disgusting city ayh have yet seen relative to its infrastructure. Used to ponder how a pandemic would not kill millions here.. which is how ayh know CoV2 was not a pandemic.
Maybe it's because Japan hasn't yet caved into progressive demands to replace their population with Somalia as Western Europe and the US have been doing ?
Not tryng to shit on your point, but Japan fudges the shit out of numbers, particularly those related to death. Find a guy shot in the face at home, no gun to be found? Have two days gone by without finding a suspect? Suicide!
Are their real numbers still lower per capita? Yes, probably, but that owes to many factors, probably the greatest of which is a lower number of Chinese nationals visiting Japan from Wuhan. Hell, statistically, they were most likely infected from an American who got infected in San Fran from a Chinese national.
Well, to be fair, most Japanese are in pretty good health, you don't see many fat Japanese, so I imagine the High Blood Pressure and Diabetes is low. Its those underlying conditions, and I am assuming that some of those drugs, especially for HBP is allowing this to happen since 72 percent of the deaths in the USA are by people taking those HBP meds.
I really hope that we STOP propping Japan up as some sort of success example, they are not. Japan has been extremely weak on testing, I mean extremely. A testing rate of ~3.4k/1m is nowhere near enough for a country as densely populated as Japan. Comparison: US is at 43k/1m, New York state in particular has a test rate of 89k/1m.
Earlier Japan was trying to shove this whole outbreak under the rug so that it could avoid cancelling its Olympic games. The criteria for getting a test in Japan is extremely stringent, not because they don't have the capability to produce the test, but because they want to artificially keep the numbers down to not alert the citizenry. Now that the Olympics is cancelled, they are forced to keep shoving it further to prevent a political fallout.
Not saying that hospitals in the US aren't over reporting deaths. They are and they receive $ for doing it. However it does not justify using the clown show that is Japan as a rebuttal.
Admittedly SARS-CoV-2 has a death rate similar to the yearly flu for the younger healthy population, it is significantly more contagious and is quite deadly for the elderly. Japan has one of the oldest population on Earth and is densely populated.
The overreaction by western governments does not mean that it is not a threat, nor does it justify complete inaction.
Admittedly SARS-CoV-2 has a death rate similar to the yearly flu for the younger healthy population, it is significantly more contagious
Basis for saying it is more contagious than the flu?
We don't have flu testing kits each year for flu season. And even if we did, the flu (like the Wuhan flu) spreads far more widely and rapidly than can be tested for. A total number of infected for both viruses can only be determined by statistical analysis.
and is quite deadly for the elderly. Japan has one of the oldest population on Earth and is densely populated
All flus/colds are more deadly for the elderly. Show me a place with significantly more elderly deaths this year than most years.
The overreaction by western governments does not mean that it is not a threat, nor does it justify complete inaction.
I did not conclude the Wuhan flu is not a threat on the basis of government overreaction. I concluded it's not a threat on the basis that it's not killing more people than a flu does, anywhere in the world.
This also has a lot to do with being monocultural and viciously nationalist.
This. You don't keep a 100 year old company going by caring what SJWs think.
(And before I get any inevitable double takes, they made playing cards back then.)
We could learn something from that, although it's probably too late at this point.
Or just smart enough not to buy into bullshit as a herd.
You’re seriously conflating Thailand and Vietnam- mainland Asian countries with literal cultures of corruption and large, exposed, uncontrollable land borders- with Japan?
Japan the Archipelago Otaku of Asia and general fanatical isolationist weirdo whose bureaucrats get off On the mere THOUGHT of being able to get one of their rivals in a corruption probe?
You might want to double check.
The Japanese might underreporting ChiCom flu deaths- indeed, probably are given the whole shame culture- but that can’t overturn how the real number of Japanese COVID deaths is very low.
Edit: previously said “real number of Chinese COVId deaths”, now fixed. I was an idiot.
Why are China's death numbers so hard to believe?
The Wuhan flu is just a flu. That is why Western governments have resorted to counting non-Wuhan flu deaths as Wuhan flu deaths.
It isn't surprising that the Wuhan flu didn't kill many people in China. It isn't killing many people in the West, either.
I'm not saying I trust China, I'm saying the "thing" with the Wuhan flu isn't that it's a "deadly virus". The "thing" is the hysterical overreaction. That is what China wanted to spread to us, and it did.
Because their EVERYTHING is hard to believe.
Because the PRC is a totalitarian dictatorship established on tyranny and terror and sustained through pervasive lying about almost everything. Especially mortality. So take the potential for book cooking and pervasive lying we see in US statistics and take them up to eleven.
The flu usually claims more lives. Especially in crowded, smog filled industrial hellscapes like Wuhan. The PRC is trying to claim that the entire PRC has fewer deaths than NYC. In spite of nearly a quarter of a year where the Communist Party did nothing or worse than nothing while it spread throughout an insanely dense festival in the insanely dense city of Wuhan, and then used barbaric measures like welding in.
You know what I call their numbers?
Horse crap.
Yes, yes it absolutely is.
It is surprising that we are supposed to believe that Wuhan COVID killed fewer people in the entirety of the tyrannical, smog ridden, life-is-cheap-when-socialism-is-free PRC than in NYC. They make the brothers Cuomo and Kaiser Wilhelm of Noo Yawk look like saints.
It isn’t surprising that it didn’t kill HUGE numbers of people like the Black Death, but it is surprising that immensely dense and generally shithole inland cities that would often view NYC as an affluent suburb or gated community got off better.
Sure. But it is killing people. And by logic it would kill far more people in places like Wuhan.
And all of this was because of a retarded typo I made mixing up the nationalities.
I agree. But it's easy to believe the Wuhan flu didn't kill many in China because the Wuhan flu doesn't kill many, anywhere.
Probably total mortality rate goes down under draconian lockdown. You probably find less deaths from bumps to the head in padded cells, too.
There was never any risk with the Wuhan flu. It's a flu at worst, made up entirely at best.
There's your problem!!!
You think the numbers coming out the US are accurate!
They're counting shooting deaths as wuhan flu.
The wuhan flu isn't killing many people anywhere, not just in China. The hysterical overreaction is the weapon.
Is it though? How would we know? (this is an invitation to dig into the tests, all of which are based off an RNA fragment of indeterminate frequency of occurrence and aren't really testing for anything, never mind for a virus).
Define "many."
Many on the grand scale of things like moderate bugs like SARS or so on? No.
But many as in "dozens of thousands more than that?" Sure.
Except it would mostly go down as a trailing indicator, in other words it'd take some time to show.
If this were the case they wouldn't have had such trouble containing it.
It's not a world killer, but they're idiots.
No, I absolutely do not.
However, they are almost certainly more accurate than any numbers out of the CCP.
This is NOT because I have great faith in the honesty of corrupt Leftist bureaucrats or their states.
It is merely a testament to the mind-numbing, all encompassing corruption and pervasive dishonesty in Socialism.
I am well aware. And CCP counting is almost certainly more egregious, just in the opposite direction.
Agreed, but even (to use the bogus numbers people are citing for the US) 100K in even a city the size of Wuhan- let alone throughout the CCP itself- would not be "many", certainly not on a grand scale.
It is A weapon, the most prevalent of several.
Others included spreading infected people, using Chinese subjects abroad to hoard equipment from other countries, and so on.
WuFlu isn't that serious, but that doesn't make the PRC numbers believable. Especially when you count per capita and factor in the delayed reaction.
But above all we should know we're not dealing with a Black Plague..except perhaps a Black Plague of panic and creeping tyranny.
The Wuhan flu is on course to be a slightly worse than usual flu season.
And how about those flu and pneumonia deaths this year? Lower than usual?
If "there was never any risk with the Wuhan flu" were tru, then China wouldn't have had such trouble containing it?
Why are you precluding the possibility of a highly infectious but harmless virus? After all, that is the most likely scenario here.
These faked numbers are more accurate than those faked numbers? On what basis?
The dishonesty was in China's initial overreaction. They initially set out to cause the world to panic over this year's flu season.
Spreading panic. There was never any danger from the infected people themselves.
Also spreading panic. Create artificial shortages of supplies people think they need desperately (but actually they don't need them at all).
But you are trying to take the US' inflated numbers and apply them per capita to China. The US' numbers aren't accurate to begin with. Neither are China's, granted, but that gives us no basis to conclude any of the things you've concluded.
Agreed. And of hysteria.
You must be some sort of expert. I've been to all of those nation's you mention multiple times and they have very little in common with one another.
You are very short-sighted if you don't understand that monocultural, nationalist people want to take care of each other instead of participate in what the Democrats created here.
Our multicultural open borders loving overlords created this. Sorry I didn't spell it out for you.
This picture in Japan is from 2014: https://i.imgur.com/Nqvgvpz.png
Yeah, they suck to wear. I hate wearing them for hours on end, but they help.
I suspect that the level of handwashing practiced there has been much higher than ours as well.
Very early during the US outbreak (before the CDC had even commented on masks) I did have a Japanese patient who had been in Wuhan and was worried that they might have the disease. The patient came in wearing an n95 and gloves. The patient ended up testing negative for the disease.
Anecdotal at best...... The worst flu I have ever had was while in Japan.
In Japan, Japanese doctors and nurses take care of Japanese patients.
In the West, Chinese and Indian doctors and Eritrean and Pakistani nurses "take care of" the patients.
Lol, then you don’t know the mass amount of philipinos they’ve imported specifically to be n urses
Vancouver BC Can-Pede here. Two old dementia riddle ladies living next door in our condo. Phlip nurses sat outside their condo on the patio for hours on their phones texting. Barely EVER went in to see them. Old women always smelled like they just shit themselves. The apartment was a pigsty! No one, the Phlips, their company, or the government gave a FUCK!
But muh national healthcare
Canada unofficially has a two-tiered system. If you have private healthcare, you go WAYYYYY ahead of the line. 30 second wait vs a 4 and a half hour wait. I used to have it and my ass wouldn't hit the chair before they called me.
Which is alarming. Philippines is a freemason-run country and is chock-a-block full of freemasons.
The Japanese have honor and integrity as central tenets. The US hasn't mentioned those words in a presidential campaign in decades.
Our cultural preservation has long since decayed.. being American has lost its identity. That is our greatest poison as was it to every culture that failed.
Why ayh support a civil war, to create a resurgence of identity
I don't want that for my kids to have to clean up, and revolution is a chaos that almost always allows for another evil to set up shop. Maybe a peaceful secession and formation of a new state that adheres to the Constitution and traditional values? If liberals, illegals, and those who don't want to work leave on their own accord, then you're pretty much left with a low corruption, low crime rate, working class traditional culture.
I'm guessing Japanese hospitals didn't get financial incentive to report covid deaths.
Precisely
Japan is....interesting. Rigid social constructs. Ingrained respect for elders is not a bad thing, and I suspect it helped keep their caseload down.
America (and by that I mean Dem govs and the CDC) is using the elderly to boost statistics while trying to hide where those cases originated. Nursing homes. Not in the general population.
Do you know why you are being downvoted?
You are perpetuating the pandemic as valid as opposed to recognizing it as fraudulent numbers in the US
I know its a fn hoax. The virus itself is real. I get it. I've been bitching about it since it started. Fake cases. Another gotta get Trump hoax.
Do you know why you're being downvoted? For being rude.
The virus isn't real. Or, if it is, it's no deadlier than the flu.
Japan shut their schools for a month, and everybody there has a mask. In their culture you are expected to wear a mask when you are sick or might be sick.
Look at the U.S. We started with “Trump is a racist for limiting travel.” then “keep going out and doing stuff,” “masks are ineffective.”
Now it’s “Trump acted too late,” “ keep the lockdown going until there is a vaccine,” and “how dare you not wear a mask!”
Muh sCieNce.
It's much more than just the health system. Japanese have developed a much more hygienic culture than the U.S. They effectively don't have places where it can spread as it did here in New York or Louisiana.
As a germaphobe and right now living in NYC, having lived and worked around the world, NYC is the most disgusting city ayh have yet seen relative to its infrastructure. Used to ponder how a pandemic would not kill millions here.. which is how ayh know CoV2 was not a pandemic.
Maybe it's because Japan hasn't yet caved into progressive demands to replace their population with Somalia as Western Europe and the US have been doing ?
Did Japan order sick patients into nursing homes? Because several of our governors did, killing thousands of elderly.
Japanese people are AWESOME!!!
Deepstate
Not tryng to shit on your point, but Japan fudges the shit out of numbers, particularly those related to death. Find a guy shot in the face at home, no gun to be found? Have two days gone by without finding a suspect? Suicide!
Are their real numbers still lower per capita? Yes, probably, but that owes to many factors, probably the greatest of which is a lower number of Chinese nationals visiting Japan from Wuhan. Hell, statistically, they were most likely infected from an American who got infected in San Fran from a Chinese national.
Exactly.
Densest city in the world.
They don't all wear masks.
A high % don't wear masks.
There shd be piles of bodies.. there are not.
Well, to be fair, most Japanese are in pretty good health, you don't see many fat Japanese, so I imagine the High Blood Pressure and Diabetes is low. Its those underlying conditions, and I am assuming that some of those drugs, especially for HBP is allowing this to happen since 72 percent of the deaths in the USA are by people taking those HBP meds.
Good fucking point! I’d argue that up to 90% of the deaths attributed to coronavirus our fake
Australia Reporting in with a population of 25.5 Million: 102 Deaths mostly imported by cruise ships.
Had someone I know riding out the corona in Japan.
It seemed pretty tame over there. I think people just respected guidelines but none were forced on them.
I really hope that we STOP propping Japan up as some sort of success example, they are not. Japan has been extremely weak on testing, I mean extremely. A testing rate of ~3.4k/1m is nowhere near enough for a country as densely populated as Japan. Comparison: US is at 43k/1m, New York state in particular has a test rate of 89k/1m.
Earlier Japan was trying to shove this whole outbreak under the rug so that it could avoid cancelling its Olympic games. The criteria for getting a test in Japan is extremely stringent, not because they don't have the capability to produce the test, but because they want to artificially keep the numbers down to not alert the citizenry. Now that the Olympics is cancelled, they are forced to keep shoving it further to prevent a political fallout.
Not saying that hospitals in the US aren't over reporting deaths. They are and they receive $ for doing it. However it does not justify using the clown show that is Japan as a rebuttal.
Why would Japan have to test more people for this year's flu?
Do we expect countries to test people during other flu seasons?
It's not the flu.
Admittedly SARS-CoV-2 has a death rate similar to the yearly flu for the younger healthy population, it is significantly more contagious and is quite deadly for the elderly. Japan has one of the oldest population on Earth and is densely populated.
The overreaction by western governments does not mean that it is not a threat, nor does it justify complete inaction.
Then it's the cold.
Basis for saying it is more contagious than the flu?
We don't have flu testing kits each year for flu season. And even if we did, the flu (like the Wuhan flu) spreads far more widely and rapidly than can be tested for. A total number of infected for both viruses can only be determined by statistical analysis.
All flus/colds are more deadly for the elderly. Show me a place with significantly more elderly deaths this year than most years.
I did not conclude the Wuhan flu is not a threat on the basis of government overreaction. I concluded it's not a threat on the basis that it's not killing more people than a flu does, anywhere in the world.
it might have something to do with the widespread usage of face masks that predated the outbreak...
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