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Wexit-Delecto -1 points ago +1 / -2

Why are China's death numbers so hard to believe?

The Wuhan flu is just a flu. That is why Western governments have resorted to counting non-Wuhan flu deaths as Wuhan flu deaths.

It isn't surprising that the Wuhan flu didn't kill many people in China. It isn't killing many people in the West, either.

I'm not saying I trust China, I'm saying the "thing" with the Wuhan flu isn't that it's a "deadly virus". The "thing" is the hysterical overreaction. That is what China wanted to spread to us, and it did.

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Turtler 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why are China's death numbers so hard to believe?

Because their EVERYTHING is hard to believe.

Because the PRC is a totalitarian dictatorship established on tyranny and terror and sustained through pervasive lying about almost everything. Especially mortality. So take the potential for book cooking and pervasive lying we see in US statistics and take them up to eleven.

The Wuhan flu is just a flu. That is why Western governments have resorted to counting non-Wuhan flu deaths as Wuhan flu deaths.

The flu usually claims more lives. Especially in crowded, smog filled industrial hellscapes like Wuhan. The PRC is trying to claim that the entire PRC has fewer deaths than NYC. In spite of nearly a quarter of a year where the Communist Party did nothing or worse than nothing while it spread throughout an insanely dense festival in the insanely dense city of Wuhan, and then used barbaric measures like welding in.

You know what I call their numbers?

Horse crap.

It isn't surprising that the Wuhan flu didn't kill many people in China.

Yes, yes it absolutely is.

It is surprising that we are supposed to believe that Wuhan COVID killed fewer people in the entirety of the tyrannical, smog ridden, life-is-cheap-when-socialism-is-free PRC than in NYC. They make the brothers Cuomo and Kaiser Wilhelm of Noo Yawk look like saints.

It isn’t surprising that it didn’t kill HUGE numbers of people like the Black Death, but it is surprising that immensely dense and generally shithole inland cities that would often view NYC as an affluent suburb or gated community got off better.

It isn't killing many people in the West, either.

Sure. But it is killing people. And by logic it would kill far more people in places like Wuhan.

And all of this was because of a retarded typo I made mixing up the nationalities.

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Wexit-Delecto 0 points ago +1 / -1

Because their EVERYTHING is hard to believe

I agree. But it's easy to believe the Wuhan flu didn't kill many in China because the Wuhan flu doesn't kill many, anywhere.

The flu usually claims more lives. Especially in crowded, smog filled industrial hellscapes like Wuhan. The PRC is trying to claim that the entire PRC has fewer deaths than NYC. In spite of nearly a quarter of a year where the Communist Party did nothing or worse than nothing while it spread throughout an insanely dense festival in the insanely dense city of Wuhan, and then used barbaric measures like welding in.

Probably total mortality rate goes down under draconian lockdown. You probably find less deaths from bumps to the head in padded cells, too.

There was never any risk with the Wuhan flu. It's a flu at worst, made up entirely at best.

It is surprising that we are supposed to believe that Wuhan COVID killed fewer people in the entirety of the tyrannical, smog ridden, life-is-cheap-when-socialism-is-free PRC than in NYC

There's your problem!!!

You think the numbers coming out the US are accurate!

They're counting shooting deaths as wuhan flu.

The wuhan flu isn't killing many people anywhere, not just in China. The hysterical overreaction is the weapon.

Sure. But it is killing people

Is it though? How would we know? (this is an invitation to dig into the tests, all of which are based off an RNA fragment of indeterminate frequency of occurrence and aren't really testing for anything, never mind for a virus).

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Turtler 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree. But it's easy to believe the Wuhan flu didn't kill many in China because the Wuhan flu doesn't kill many, anywhere.

Define "many."

Many on the grand scale of things like moderate bugs like SARS or so on? No.

But many as in "dozens of thousands more than that?" Sure.

Probably total mortality rate goes down under draconian lockdown. You probably find less deaths from bumps to the head in padded cells, too.

Except it would mostly go down as a trailing indicator, in other words it'd take some time to show.

There was never any risk with the Wuhan flu. It's a flu at worst, made up entirely at best.

If this were the case they wouldn't have had such trouble containing it.

It's not a world killer, but they're idiots.

There's your problem!!! You think the numbers coming out the US are accurate!

No, I absolutely do not.

However, they are almost certainly more accurate than any numbers out of the CCP.

This is NOT because I have great faith in the honesty of corrupt Leftist bureaucrats or their states.

It is merely a testament to the mind-numbing, all encompassing corruption and pervasive dishonesty in Socialism.

They're counting shooting deaths as wuhan flu.

I am well aware. And CCP counting is almost certainly more egregious, just in the opposite direction.

The wuhan flu isn't killing many people anywhere, not just in China.

Agreed, but even (to use the bogus numbers people are citing for the US) 100K in even a city the size of Wuhan- let alone throughout the CCP itself- would not be "many", certainly not on a grand scale.

The hysterical overreaction is the weapon.

It is A weapon, the most prevalent of several.

Others included spreading infected people, using Chinese subjects abroad to hoard equipment from other countries, and so on.

WuFlu isn't that serious, but that doesn't make the PRC numbers believable. Especially when you count per capita and factor in the delayed reaction.

But above all we should know we're not dealing with a Black Plague..except perhaps a Black Plague of panic and creeping tyranny.

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Wexit-Delecto 0 points ago +1 / -1

Define "many."

Many on the grand scale of things like moderate bugs like SARS or so on? No.

But many as in "dozens of thousands more than that?" Sure.

The Wuhan flu is on course to be a slightly worse than usual flu season.

And how about those flu and pneumonia deaths this year? Lower than usual?

If this were the case they wouldn't have had such trouble containing it.

If "there was never any risk with the Wuhan flu" were tru, then China wouldn't have had such trouble containing it?

Why are you precluding the possibility of a highly infectious but harmless virus? After all, that is the most likely scenario here.

However, they are almost certainly more accurate than any numbers out of the CCP.

These faked numbers are more accurate than those faked numbers? On what basis?

It is merely a testament to the mind-numbing, all encompassing corruption and pervasive dishonesty in Socialism.

The dishonesty was in China's initial overreaction. They initially set out to cause the world to panic over this year's flu season.

Others included spreading infected people

Spreading panic. There was never any danger from the infected people themselves.

using Chinese subjects abroad to hoard equipment from other countries

Also spreading panic. Create artificial shortages of supplies people think they need desperately (but actually they don't need them at all).

WuFlu isn't that serious, but that doesn't make the PRC numbers believable. Especially when you count per capita and factor in the delayed reaction

But you are trying to take the US' inflated numbers and apply them per capita to China. The US' numbers aren't accurate to begin with. Neither are China's, granted, but that gives us no basis to conclude any of the things you've concluded.

But above all we should know we're not dealing with a Black Plague..except perhaps a Black Plague of panic and creeping tyranny.

Agreed. And of hysteria.