Because the PRC is a totalitarian dictatorship established on tyranny and terror and sustained through pervasive lying about almost everything. Especially mortality. So take the potential for book cooking and pervasive lying we see in US statistics and take them up to eleven.
The Wuhan flu is just a flu. That is why Western governments have resorted to counting non-Wuhan flu deaths as Wuhan flu deaths.
The flu usually claims more lives. Especially in crowded, smog filled industrial hellscapes like Wuhan.
The PRC is trying to claim that the entire PRC has fewer deaths than NYC. In spite of nearly a quarter of a year where the Communist Party did nothing or worse than nothing while it spread throughout an insanely dense festival in the insanely dense city of Wuhan, and then used barbaric measures like welding in.
You know what I call their numbers?
Horse crap.
It isn't surprising that the Wuhan flu didn't kill many people in China.
Yes, yes it absolutely is.
It is surprising that we are supposed to believe that Wuhan COVID killed fewer people in the entirety of the tyrannical, smog ridden, life-is-cheap-when-socialism-is-free PRC than in NYC. They make the brothers Cuomo and Kaiser Wilhelm of Noo Yawk look like saints.
It isn’t surprising that it didn’t kill HUGE numbers of people like the Black Death, but it is surprising that immensely dense and generally shithole inland cities that would often view NYC as an affluent suburb or gated community got off better.
It isn't killing many people in the West, either.
Sure. But it is killing people. And by logic it would kill far more people in places like Wuhan.
And all of this was because of a retarded typo I made mixing up the nationalities.
I agree. But it's easy to believe the Wuhan flu didn't kill many in China because the Wuhan flu doesn't kill many, anywhere.
The flu usually claims more lives. Especially in crowded, smog filled industrial hellscapes like Wuhan. The PRC is trying to claim that the entire PRC has fewer deaths than NYC. In spite of nearly a quarter of a year where the Communist Party did nothing or worse than nothing while it spread throughout an insanely dense festival in the insanely dense city of Wuhan, and then used barbaric measures like welding in.
Probably total mortality rate goes down under draconian lockdown. You probably find less deaths from bumps to the head in padded cells, too.
There was never any risk with the Wuhan flu. It's a flu at worst, made up entirely at best.
It is surprising that we are supposed to believe that Wuhan COVID killed fewer people in the entirety of the tyrannical, smog ridden, life-is-cheap-when-socialism-is-free PRC than in NYC
There's your problem!!!
You think the numbers coming out the US are accurate!
They're counting shooting deaths as wuhan flu.
The wuhan flu isn't killing many people anywhere, not just in China. The hysterical overreaction is the weapon.
Sure. But it is killing people
Is it though? How would we know? (this is an invitation to dig into the tests, all of which are based off an RNA fragment of indeterminate frequency of occurrence and aren't really testing for anything, never mind for a virus).
I agree. But it's easy to believe the Wuhan flu didn't kill many in China because the Wuhan flu doesn't kill many, anywhere.
Define "many."
Many on the grand scale of things like moderate bugs like SARS or so on? No.
But many as in "dozens of thousands more than that?" Sure.
Probably total mortality rate goes down under draconian lockdown. You probably find less deaths from bumps to the head in padded cells, too.
Except it would mostly go down as a trailing indicator, in other words it'd take some time to show.
There was never any risk with the Wuhan flu. It's a flu at worst, made up entirely at best.
If this were the case they wouldn't have had such trouble containing it.
It's not a world killer, but they're idiots.
There's your problem!!! You think the numbers coming out the US are accurate!
No, I absolutely do not.
However, they are almost certainly more accurate than any numbers out of the CCP.
This is NOT because I have great faith in the honesty of corrupt Leftist bureaucrats or their states.
It is merely a testament to the mind-numbing, all encompassing corruption and pervasive dishonesty in Socialism.
They're counting shooting deaths as wuhan flu.
I am well aware. And CCP counting is almost certainly more egregious, just in the opposite direction.
The wuhan flu isn't killing many people anywhere, not just in China.
Agreed, but even (to use the bogus numbers people are citing for the US) 100K in even a city the size of Wuhan- let alone throughout the CCP itself- would not be "many", certainly not on a grand scale.
The hysterical overreaction is the weapon.
It is A weapon, the most prevalent of several.
Others included spreading infected people, using Chinese subjects abroad to hoard equipment from other countries, and so on.
WuFlu isn't that serious, but that doesn't make the PRC numbers believable. Especially when you count per capita and factor in the delayed reaction.
But above all we should know we're not dealing with a Black Plague..except perhaps a Black Plague of panic and creeping tyranny.
Many on the grand scale of things like moderate bugs like SARS or so on? No.
But many as in "dozens of thousands more than that?" Sure.
The Wuhan flu is on course to be a slightly worse than usual flu season.
And how about those flu and pneumonia deaths this year? Lower than usual?
If this were the case they wouldn't have had such trouble containing it.
If "there was never any risk with the Wuhan flu" were tru, then China wouldn't have had such trouble containing it?
Why are you precluding the possibility of a highly infectious but harmless virus? After all, that is the most likely scenario here.
However, they are almost certainly more accurate than any numbers out of the CCP.
These faked numbers are more accurate than those faked numbers? On what basis?
It is merely a testament to the mind-numbing, all encompassing corruption and pervasive dishonesty in Socialism.
The dishonesty was in China's initial overreaction. They initially set out to cause the world to panic over this year's flu season.
Others included spreading infected people
Spreading panic. There was never any danger from the infected people themselves.
using Chinese subjects abroad to hoard equipment from other countries
Also spreading panic. Create artificial shortages of supplies people think they need desperately (but actually they don't need them at all).
WuFlu isn't that serious, but that doesn't make the PRC numbers believable. Especially when you count per capita and factor in the delayed reaction
But you are trying to take the US' inflated numbers and apply them per capita to China. The US' numbers aren't accurate to begin with. Neither are China's, granted, but that gives us no basis to conclude any of the things you've concluded.
But above all we should know we're not dealing with a Black Plague..except perhaps a Black Plague of panic and creeping tyranny.
If there's one thing I dislike, it's being strawmanned.
The Wuhan flu is on course to be a slightly worse than usual flu season.
Agreed.
And how about those flu and pneumonia deaths this year? Lower than usual?
I am well aware.
If "there was never any risk with the Wuhan flu" were tru, then China wouldn't have had such trouble containing it?
Except they did have such trouble containing it, and we know it did because they maliciously prioritized isolating Wuhan and the surrounding areas from the rest of the PRC while allowing it to go wild abroad.
This is why it's important to keep up to date with both civilian/whistleblower reports from inside Chthe PRC and those from neighboring countries like the ROK and Taiwan.
Why are you precluding the possibility of a highly infectious but harmless virus?
Simple.
Firstly: Flu isn't a harmless virus. It is NOT worth shutting down an entire country or global economy over, but it kills thousands in the US every year, let alone globally.
That's a drop in the freaking bucket on the grand scale of things and those thousands of deaths are a very small fraction of a fraction of those infected, but it takes a real chowderhead to argue it's "harmless." And i know better in part because I've done volunteer orderly work during it.
Secondly: I'm also precluding the possibility of it because a major reason why reason why the Wuhan Virology lab brought ChiCom COVID in was to try and understand its cross species jumping and the threat it posed to people. (Ironic, given how their own shitty workmanship helped it get loose and damage humans extensively).
The most likely scenario is- surprise- it's like the Flu. A highly infectious but only moderately debilitating/SLIGHTLY dangerous disease.
But that's a pattern of infection that can still kill thousands upon thousands of people per year, even without nonsense like the Communists going full Milan and welding the infected in to their own homes with their families or Cuomo and Kaiser Wilhelm shoving the infected in nursing homes.
You don't seem to understand that.
These faked numbers are more accurate than those faked numbers? On what basis?
On the basis of "Do you know LITERALLY ANYTHING about the Chinese Communist Party?"
On the basis of "actually learn something about the average profile of Flu or other High Infectivity low danger diseases and how those can still kill thousands."
On the basis that "frequent dishonesty and bias by private or local authorities cooking the numbers" is less unreliable than "SYSTEMATIC dishonesty in which on top of the locals cooking the books and making it harder to get reliable estimates, the totalitarian regime then takes those already-inaccurate numbers and LIES BLATANTLY ABOUT THEM, persecuting anybody who dares differ."
Even Whitmer the Michigan Hitler hasn't been able to imprison and murder people for daring to raise the alarm about cooked American medical books or overreporting.
This shouldn't be rocket science to someone who isn't a Chinese Communist Shill. The CCP is the most murderous government in the history of PLANET EARTH. To that notable distinction, it is heir to a Marxist-Leninist system of constant dishonesty, suspicion, and Orwellian misgovernment.
As bad as the US is- and it can get pretty bad- it is still FAR less corrupt and dishonest than the PRC HAS. EVER. BEEN.
Do you understand, or do I have to start listing the number of people who were killed to cover this up, often by intentional exposure to the virus along with denial of even basic hygiene or treatment?
The dishonesty was in China's initial overreaction.
You think a totalitarian Communist Party Government limited its dishonesty to the initial overreaction?
Oh you SWEET NAIVE SUMMER CHILD
Again, this is not true. The dishonesty also extended back to the suppression of early reports (when reasonable and sane precautions could have contained it).
It extends forward to shilling about how well the CCP has handled the virus (or did you not notice Communist shills like Tedros and Bill Gates doing so)?
They initially set out to cause the world to panic over this year's flu season.
No, they didn't.
They initially set out to shut up anybody from the Wuhan Virology Labs from telling people there was a threat of a COVID leak, up to and including the public humiliation and then murder of one of their scientists. All in order to "Save Face."
That backfired on them. So then they progressed to hiding the nature and severity of the outbreak, doing things like cutting Wuhan off from contact with the rest of Commie China and welding people inside their homes while simultaneously not caring about people from Wuhan flying to places like Vietnam, spreading the disease. While simultaneously sending news to their citizens abroad to hoard supplies.
Now we're on stage three, with the virus mostly winding down.
Stage three is about justifying the barbaric conduct of the Communist Party, insisting that it bravely led the Chinese people through the Long March of COVID, and that the CCP's leadership is an example the rest of the world can imitate, while trying to keep the shut down foreign economies shut down for as long as possible.
And of course, thoroughly lying about the CCP's culpability in this getting so bad in the first place and the merest SUGGESTION that it did not play the role of glorious light of the world.
You apparently haven't been paying attention to this prior to this last stage three, and it shows.
Spreading panic. There was never any danger from the infected people themselves.
Again, learn how dangerous the flu is. Or basic virology.
Just because you haven't died of it and I haven't died of it doesn't mean people don't die of it. A fair number.
It's not a VERY dangerous disease, but even marginally dangerous diseases kill thousands at a rate few people recognize.
And considering how it was apparently suitable enough for the CCP to EXECUTE A WHISTLEBLOWER by way of ChiCom COVID along with denial of basic medical care, it clearly isn't That little of a threat.
Also spreading panic. Create artificial shortages of supplies people think they need desperately (but actually they don't need them at all).
You think a totalitarian socialist system is capable of that clear thinking and foreplanning? That's cute.
Try learning about the Socialist Calculation Problem and then get back to me.
Chinese Communist hoarding was partially to create shortages and worsen existing ones so that other countries had to come begging to the CCP for imports (at a cost), but the leaks show this was not because the CCP viewed the disease as a non-starter. Very much the opposite.
Again, the fact that they executed a whistleblower using it and had endemic problems in studying it safely in their own Virology Lab shows it.
You're trying to beat reality and the evidence to fit your pre-conceived theory rather than adjusting your theory to comport with evidence. And it's showing.
But you are trying to take the US' inflated numbers and apply them per capita to China. The US' numbers aren't accurate to begin with.
And this is why I dislike being strawmanned and having my claims LIED about.
Because NO, Dear Mate, I AM NOT Taking the US's inflated numbers. I am not even TOUCHING them.
I am mostly taking the numbers you can get from previous, mostly non-memory holed records of the average, yearly flu and applying them to the PRC. And noting that it's utterly retarded to claim that a totalitarian, mass murdering, and pervasively dishonest regime that originated the disease and generally has much more brutal, less competent administration and health facilities than we do would have less COVID deaths than we do.
This isn't rocket science. The CCP is a brutal dictatorship founded on terror and run on lies. It lies far more pervasively than even the most thoroughly corrupted US jurisdiction does (and I can talk ALL DAY about corrupt US jurisdictions like Cook County and NYC).
In addition to the baked in problems of getting reliable numbers in the face of human nature and often perverse incentives, the CCP has the added "bonus" of being both willing to lie on a scale that might- just MIGHT- make Hillary Clinton impressed, as well as the ability to imprison, murder, and censor people much more bluntly than even Mueller, Weissman, and Sullivan can fantasize of.
And yet we're supposed to act as if the CCP's numbers are no less unreliable than those coming out of NYC, which at least can't stray TOO far from the recorded reality by the public?
Yeah, to hell with that theory.
Neither are China's, granted, but that gives us no basis to conclude any of the things you've concluded.
Which is why it's important to do basic freaking research.
Because their EVERYTHING is hard to believe.
Because the PRC is a totalitarian dictatorship established on tyranny and terror and sustained through pervasive lying about almost everything. Especially mortality. So take the potential for book cooking and pervasive lying we see in US statistics and take them up to eleven.
The flu usually claims more lives. Especially in crowded, smog filled industrial hellscapes like Wuhan. The PRC is trying to claim that the entire PRC has fewer deaths than NYC. In spite of nearly a quarter of a year where the Communist Party did nothing or worse than nothing while it spread throughout an insanely dense festival in the insanely dense city of Wuhan, and then used barbaric measures like welding in.
You know what I call their numbers?
Horse crap.
Yes, yes it absolutely is.
It is surprising that we are supposed to believe that Wuhan COVID killed fewer people in the entirety of the tyrannical, smog ridden, life-is-cheap-when-socialism-is-free PRC than in NYC. They make the brothers Cuomo and Kaiser Wilhelm of Noo Yawk look like saints.
It isn’t surprising that it didn’t kill HUGE numbers of people like the Black Death, but it is surprising that immensely dense and generally shithole inland cities that would often view NYC as an affluent suburb or gated community got off better.
Sure. But it is killing people. And by logic it would kill far more people in places like Wuhan.
And all of this was because of a retarded typo I made mixing up the nationalities.
I agree. But it's easy to believe the Wuhan flu didn't kill many in China because the Wuhan flu doesn't kill many, anywhere.
Probably total mortality rate goes down under draconian lockdown. You probably find less deaths from bumps to the head in padded cells, too.
There was never any risk with the Wuhan flu. It's a flu at worst, made up entirely at best.
There's your problem!!!
You think the numbers coming out the US are accurate!
They're counting shooting deaths as wuhan flu.
The wuhan flu isn't killing many people anywhere, not just in China. The hysterical overreaction is the weapon.
Is it though? How would we know? (this is an invitation to dig into the tests, all of which are based off an RNA fragment of indeterminate frequency of occurrence and aren't really testing for anything, never mind for a virus).
Define "many."
Many on the grand scale of things like moderate bugs like SARS or so on? No.
But many as in "dozens of thousands more than that?" Sure.
Except it would mostly go down as a trailing indicator, in other words it'd take some time to show.
If this were the case they wouldn't have had such trouble containing it.
It's not a world killer, but they're idiots.
No, I absolutely do not.
However, they are almost certainly more accurate than any numbers out of the CCP.
This is NOT because I have great faith in the honesty of corrupt Leftist bureaucrats or their states.
It is merely a testament to the mind-numbing, all encompassing corruption and pervasive dishonesty in Socialism.
I am well aware. And CCP counting is almost certainly more egregious, just in the opposite direction.
Agreed, but even (to use the bogus numbers people are citing for the US) 100K in even a city the size of Wuhan- let alone throughout the CCP itself- would not be "many", certainly not on a grand scale.
It is A weapon, the most prevalent of several.
Others included spreading infected people, using Chinese subjects abroad to hoard equipment from other countries, and so on.
WuFlu isn't that serious, but that doesn't make the PRC numbers believable. Especially when you count per capita and factor in the delayed reaction.
But above all we should know we're not dealing with a Black Plague..except perhaps a Black Plague of panic and creeping tyranny.
The Wuhan flu is on course to be a slightly worse than usual flu season.
And how about those flu and pneumonia deaths this year? Lower than usual?
If "there was never any risk with the Wuhan flu" were tru, then China wouldn't have had such trouble containing it?
Why are you precluding the possibility of a highly infectious but harmless virus? After all, that is the most likely scenario here.
These faked numbers are more accurate than those faked numbers? On what basis?
The dishonesty was in China's initial overreaction. They initially set out to cause the world to panic over this year's flu season.
Spreading panic. There was never any danger from the infected people themselves.
Also spreading panic. Create artificial shortages of supplies people think they need desperately (but actually they don't need them at all).
But you are trying to take the US' inflated numbers and apply them per capita to China. The US' numbers aren't accurate to begin with. Neither are China's, granted, but that gives us no basis to conclude any of the things you've concluded.
Agreed. And of hysteria.
If there's one thing I dislike, it's being strawmanned.
Agreed.
I am well aware.
Except they did have such trouble containing it, and we know it did because they maliciously prioritized isolating Wuhan and the surrounding areas from the rest of the PRC while allowing it to go wild abroad.
This is why it's important to keep up to date with both civilian/whistleblower reports from inside Chthe PRC and those from neighboring countries like the ROK and Taiwan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGM7t_lpQso
Here's one bit of the first.
Simple.
Firstly: Flu isn't a harmless virus. It is NOT worth shutting down an entire country or global economy over, but it kills thousands in the US every year, let alone globally.
That's a drop in the freaking bucket on the grand scale of things and those thousands of deaths are a very small fraction of a fraction of those infected, but it takes a real chowderhead to argue it's "harmless." And i know better in part because I've done volunteer orderly work during it.
Secondly: I'm also precluding the possibility of it because a major reason why reason why the Wuhan Virology lab brought ChiCom COVID in was to try and understand its cross species jumping and the threat it posed to people. (Ironic, given how their own shitty workmanship helped it get loose and damage humans extensively).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLp8CHeKQkI
"Mostly Harmless" IS NOT EQUAL TO "Harmless."
No, it isn't.
The most likely scenario is- surprise- it's like the Flu. A highly infectious but only moderately debilitating/SLIGHTLY dangerous disease.
But that's a pattern of infection that can still kill thousands upon thousands of people per year, even without nonsense like the Communists going full Milan and welding the infected in to their own homes with their families or Cuomo and Kaiser Wilhelm shoving the infected in nursing homes.
You don't seem to understand that.
On the basis of "Do you know LITERALLY ANYTHING about the Chinese Communist Party?"
On the basis of "actually learn something about the average profile of Flu or other High Infectivity low danger diseases and how those can still kill thousands."
On the basis that "frequent dishonesty and bias by private or local authorities cooking the numbers" is less unreliable than "SYSTEMATIC dishonesty in which on top of the locals cooking the books and making it harder to get reliable estimates, the totalitarian regime then takes those already-inaccurate numbers and LIES BLATANTLY ABOUT THEM, persecuting anybody who dares differ."
Even Whitmer the Michigan Hitler hasn't been able to imprison and murder people for daring to raise the alarm about cooked American medical books or overreporting.
That's exactly what the CCP did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU&list=PLGVxWL17abn6F5jbtE18EJcFS8tjZoCf_&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-GVcfP1zrg
This shouldn't be rocket science to someone who isn't a Chinese Communist Shill. The CCP is the most murderous government in the history of PLANET EARTH. To that notable distinction, it is heir to a Marxist-Leninist system of constant dishonesty, suspicion, and Orwellian misgovernment.
As bad as the US is- and it can get pretty bad- it is still FAR less corrupt and dishonest than the PRC HAS. EVER. BEEN.
Do you understand, or do I have to start listing the number of people who were killed to cover this up, often by intentional exposure to the virus along with denial of even basic hygiene or treatment?
You think a totalitarian Communist Party Government limited its dishonesty to the initial overreaction?
Oh you SWEET NAIVE SUMMER CHILD
Again, this is not true. The dishonesty also extended back to the suppression of early reports (when reasonable and sane precautions could have contained it).
It extends forward to shilling about how well the CCP has handled the virus (or did you not notice Communist shills like Tedros and Bill Gates doing so)?
No, they didn't.
They initially set out to shut up anybody from the Wuhan Virology Labs from telling people there was a threat of a COVID leak, up to and including the public humiliation and then murder of one of their scientists. All in order to "Save Face."
That backfired on them. So then they progressed to hiding the nature and severity of the outbreak, doing things like cutting Wuhan off from contact with the rest of Commie China and welding people inside their homes while simultaneously not caring about people from Wuhan flying to places like Vietnam, spreading the disease. While simultaneously sending news to their citizens abroad to hoard supplies.
Now we're on stage three, with the virus mostly winding down.
Stage three is about justifying the barbaric conduct of the Communist Party, insisting that it bravely led the Chinese people through the Long March of COVID, and that the CCP's leadership is an example the rest of the world can imitate, while trying to keep the shut down foreign economies shut down for as long as possible.
And of course, thoroughly lying about the CCP's culpability in this getting so bad in the first place and the merest SUGGESTION that it did not play the role of glorious light of the world.
You apparently haven't been paying attention to this prior to this last stage three, and it shows.
Again, learn how dangerous the flu is. Or basic virology.
Just because you haven't died of it and I haven't died of it doesn't mean people don't die of it. A fair number.
It's not a VERY dangerous disease, but even marginally dangerous diseases kill thousands at a rate few people recognize.
And considering how it was apparently suitable enough for the CCP to EXECUTE A WHISTLEBLOWER by way of ChiCom COVID along with denial of basic medical care, it clearly isn't That little of a threat.
You think a totalitarian socialist system is capable of that clear thinking and foreplanning? That's cute.
Try learning about the Socialist Calculation Problem and then get back to me.
Chinese Communist hoarding was partially to create shortages and worsen existing ones so that other countries had to come begging to the CCP for imports (at a cost), but the leaks show this was not because the CCP viewed the disease as a non-starter. Very much the opposite.
Again, the fact that they executed a whistleblower using it and had endemic problems in studying it safely in their own Virology Lab shows it.
You're trying to beat reality and the evidence to fit your pre-conceived theory rather than adjusting your theory to comport with evidence. And it's showing.
And this is why I dislike being strawmanned and having my claims LIED about.
Because NO, Dear Mate, I AM NOT Taking the US's inflated numbers. I am not even TOUCHING them.
I am mostly taking the numbers you can get from previous, mostly non-memory holed records of the average, yearly flu and applying them to the PRC. And noting that it's utterly retarded to claim that a totalitarian, mass murdering, and pervasively dishonest regime that originated the disease and generally has much more brutal, less competent administration and health facilities than we do would have less COVID deaths than we do.
This isn't rocket science. The CCP is a brutal dictatorship founded on terror and run on lies. It lies far more pervasively than even the most thoroughly corrupted US jurisdiction does (and I can talk ALL DAY about corrupt US jurisdictions like Cook County and NYC).
In addition to the baked in problems of getting reliable numbers in the face of human nature and often perverse incentives, the CCP has the added "bonus" of being both willing to lie on a scale that might- just MIGHT- make Hillary Clinton impressed, as well as the ability to imprison, murder, and censor people much more bluntly than even Mueller, Weissman, and Sullivan can fantasize of.
And yet we're supposed to act as if the CCP's numbers are no less unreliable than those coming out of NYC, which at least can't stray TOO far from the recorded reality by the public?
Yeah, to hell with that theory.
Which is why it's important to do basic freaking research.
Starting with timelining things.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200331133246/https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/
You apparently haven't done that. And you think you have the justification to lecture and talk down to me?