And I hate to tell you this, the Flu's dangerous. Primarily to those in certain at risk demographics (like the old, the young, people with breathing problems, and so forth). But you do have a fair few healthy-as-a-bull people keel over and die of it every year.

But the flu isn't a danger that we can do anything about. China hasn't added any actual danger to living this year, since we've always had flu seasons, and they've always killed as many people as this year's flu season is killing.

Disagree? Feel free to point out the statistics showing this year's flu season (including the Wuhan flu) is meaningfully worse than other years.

That's the problem. You're acting as if ChiCom Flu is not merely no more dangerous than the Flu (which is correct, and if anything even less dangerous with proper treatment since as the Hydro-Zinc Cocktail), but far far less.

My claim is that it is the flu. How could the flu be less dangerous than the flu?

"That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

You have provided absolutely zero evidence that the initial response of the CCP was to SPREAD overreaction. Indeed, the evidence I have presented shows that their initial reaction was to do the exact INVERSE of spreading overreaction to different countries: it was to impose UNDER-REACTION on Wuhan by dint of locking up whistle-blowers cutting news, and generally acting as if everything was "Fine." Initially this was just the local party bosses trying to avoid "rumors" (protip: tyrannical assholes hate "rumors") and avoid being blamed.

My basis for concluding such is the fact that the Wuhan flu is harmless, and could never have been mistaken for something harmless.

What kind of master plan is it to spread around a harmless virus?

Far better and more effective to spread hysteria. Which is exactly what they've done. And there's your evidence.

Do you have any evidence at all that anyone, anywhere, had any reasonable basis at any time to think the Wuhan flu was dangerous?

But when the infection at Wuhan blew up too hard for them to keep a lid on, the PRC decided not to spread overreaction, but to spread the disease. And one of the ways they did this was about LYING about how the disease spread and how prolific it was.

But it didn't blow up in China. We can infer this from the fact that it hasn't blown up anywhere else. At all.

If you disagree, please point out the place where Wuhan flu deaths significatly outpaced normal flu deaths. Then we can use that data to interpolate China's deaths. All the data for every affected country indicates this is just another normal (maybe slightly worse, but we can't even conclude that because of gunshot wounds being counted as Wuhan flu deaths) flu season.

And that's Literally. As in the Commie Ethiopian shill at the head of WHO lying through his teeth claiming there was no evidence of human to human transmission even though by this point the CCP must have known.

And the Communist propagandists continued to parrot this "Nothing to see Here, everything is in Order" while smearing or downplaying reports from nations that aren't Totalitarian Shitholes in order to sabotage other nations and give their state-sponsored looters the time to hoard our goods.

So they spent the crucial breakout period of the disease doing the exact Inverse of spreading Overreaction.

If China immediately told everyone "this virus is dangerous, we should stop all travel and try to prevent its spread", then countries would have stopped travel from China and there would be no reason to fear the virus having spread from China.

Unless they initially played "dumb" and allowed international travel, there would be no basis upon which to spread hysteria. And if there were no hysteria, China wouldn't have cover of hysteria to make the moves it's making in HK and India and the South China, etc.

And, of course, we must keep in mind the overarching fact: the Wuhan flu is harmless, just like every flu season.

And no, it's not a coincidence that Taiwan was one of those screaming about the threat of this thing the loudest while its death and infection rates are so low and its "lockdown" measures are so lax. Because An Ounce of Prevention is worth a Pound of Cure. And being proactive and GETTING ON a disease's trace means you can limit how far it spreads and how much damage it does.

Which country failed to implement an ounce of prevention, and is now wishing ruefully it had done so instead of having to implement a pound of cure?

No country, anywhere on earth, has experienced the Wuhan flu as anything worse than a regular flu season. The additional damage caused is ENTIRELY a result of overreaction.

If you disagree, feel free to post the country that was hit significantly harder by the Wuhan flu than that country gets hit by every year's flu season. I've asked several times, and you keep failing to provide this.

The CCP lying and trying to spread UNDERreaction helped this virus cause the damage it did, both in terms of those directly affected and in the retarded-psychopath overreach by governmental goons claiming "We will totally relinquish these emergency powers."

The virus didn't cause any damage that wouldn't have happened with this year's flu season, though. And this year's flu season wasn't caused by China. And it couldn't have been prevented.

The only thing the CCP has done is spread a pandemic of hysteria.

Trying to spread OVERreaction- like the CCP and co are doing now- was late in the game, now that the virus has spread about as far and as deep as it's going to this season, herd immunity's building up, and the West and ChiComChina's other rivals are starting to reopen.

How could they sell an overreaction if they hadn't initially allowed travel abroad? If no one had travelled from Wuhan to spread the putative virus, what would we be overreacting to?

Agreed.

So we can agree that WuFlu IS dangerous, just a mundane kind of dangerous like what a functional society deals with every single day.

Fucking lead with this next time. Sheesh.

Again, no it wasn't. You're trying to marry your pet theory without providing evidence.

Mass hysteria didn't spread out from an epicenter in Wuhan. Mass hysteria spread out from almost every OTHER Place from a combination of sane and reasonable warnings (like those by Taiwan) being blown out of proportion, and unscrupulous BS from power grabby scum like Fauxci and the Imperial College Scammer.

The CCP was a late convert to spreading the gospel of mass hysteria, in part because they were worried about it rebounding into their face as people asked "Where did this come from?" (and for instance having punitive action like what Trump is proposing levied on them) or Chinese people saying "What did you do about this?!?", and in part because other left wing tyrants elsewhere beat them to it. The CCP's spreading it NOW because it has no real benefit pretending that nothing happened, but there is benefit in keeping other countries shut down as long as it can and helping their petty tyrants usurp as much power as they can.

Wrong. The mass hysteria was in response to the half-assed lockdown of Wuhan, which had all the film and television cues for a serious pandemic. We saw China kneecap itself and wondered if they had a reason to do so. They didn't have a direct reason, since the Wuhan flu is harmless. So the only reason they did what they did was to spread panic.

But how could they cause us to panic if they had locked Wuhan down diligently? No one with the putative virus would be here to panic about.

Commie Party at the start: "What are you talking about, a leak? YOU ARE A DOUBLE PLUS BAD WRONGTHINKER. Apologize to the party for daring to say there's a threat! Oh, and by the way enjoy being thrown in a dank cell with COVID...."

How do we know the whistleblowers were put down for saying the Wuhan flu is a threat? They might have been saying "guys, this is weird, we're reacting like lunatics to a flu season." That message getting out would spoil the whole thing.

Commie Party Stage 2: "EVERYTHING IS FINE! Do not think. Consume. China is cleanest race. Ignore subhuman mongrels like Taiwan. No evidence of human to human transmissability! There's no NEED To stop flights!"

How else would "infected" individuals get all over the planet? If they hadn't, we'd have nothing to overreact about.

Commie Party Stage 3: "In the DARKEST OF DAYS as the decadent West allowed the Black Death to spread and destroy its society, the Heroic Peoples' Party arose to quell rumor mongering and bring effective treatment, thus showing the Communist Party is ordained by Marx-Heaven to rule foreigner. So while China can tentatively reopen, the barbaric savages abroad would be insane to, since they are totally more afflicted than we are! Praise Chairman Xi, Helm man of destiny!"

This is why I chew you out for not timelining this.

If China had diligently locked down Wuhan, we would have nothing to panic about. Since panic is the only risk here, and is also the only weaponized portion of the Wuhan flu episode, this reaction at this stage was necessary. Else panic couldn't be spread.

This is why I repeat the same question over and over. You haven't played through the chess game. If China did as you propose, they wouldn't have achieved their ends.

I don't know. If I had to wager a guess I would say "probably, marginally", most likely because even the most dishonest and thoroughly corrupt Western globalist medical hack in the West isn't claiming that Literally NOBODY has died of plain old Flu this season even as they shamelessly stripe mine most of those deaths to relabel as Coronavirus. Meaning that they still acknowledge Flu deaths are a separate thing, even if they have "mysteriously" decreased due to mislabeling them as WuFlu deaths (or WuFlu "Stealing" those deaths naturally).

So you PROBABLY have a small increase in ChiCom COVID deaths put on top of the bog standard "Flu Season + Other deaths."

Harmless.

Simple.

If my theory is correct and there is indeed a slight increase in overall deaths from WuFlu mingling with other deaths, then the provable harm is from the excess.

And if my theory ISN'T correct, the harm is the background statistical noise of more or less routine death. Still harm, but "within normal parameters."

Neither of which are as damaging as the mass hysteria or Swamp State usurpation we've seen gutting our economy and civic culture that were Also spurred by this thing (But of course, by your logic we could point to Swampy corruption and tyranny and economic sabotage going well before even Wuhan had Wuhan Flu and say "Well, what's the harm? It was already happening" while ignoring the intensification of it). But still worth noting.

We'll never know this, because gunshot deaths are being counted as Wuhan flu deaths. Even if there's a slight bump in Wuhan flu deaths this year as compared to flus of years past, we'll never know if the Wuhan flu was actually worse.

No, I don't have access to more accurate statistics than you do, though I do know how to find what statistics we have acess to more easily.

The difference is I can interpret them better.

Because I both have some minimal medical experience, and because I'm not a credulous idiot.

We appear to have interpreted the same, though. The Wuhan flu is just another flu. How is that "better?"

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