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No, we've created plenty of deadly contagious viruses. The "Bio-Chernobyl" the Soviets caused was on the Aral Sea and involved supersouped up Anthrax (technically a bacteria rather than a virus, but involving similar scientific and production demands).

Easily treated. Which is why they gave up on it and buried it.

So which deadly contagious virus did we create?

Which is one reason why we stopped doing it as often. Because we got bored of it and had more than enough deadly bioweapons we couldn't really use but which could have disastrous consequences if we F--ked up with production or containment, as the Soviets at Aralsk-7 Showed.

Every time the supposedly deadly Soviet bioweapons leaked, the consequences were not disastrous. The weapons don't work, is the reason why.

The problem is that you seem to think- or act- as if all Virological research is Bioweapons Research. Which is about as ignorant as assuming that all research in construction engineering is to go into build better fortifications.

I don't really care one way or the other. Better parties than the CCP have tried and failed universally. The idea that the CCP could do it where others couldn't is ridiculous. Whether this year's flu season is man-made or not is irrelevant.

I don't really see how a man-made flu could both kill the same number of people as the flu, and also stop the regular flu from killing as many people as it usually does though.

Uh, no, no we don't.

We've got plenty of reason to know that the ChiComs have deadly engineered viruses.

You kind of trailed off there.

WuFlu is a Dangerous virus, but not a Highly Dangerous or even moderately dangerous one like Virus. And certainly nowhere near what one would want in a Bioweapon.

I agree. It's no more dangerous than the flu. Which is why the only weapon here is the hysteria.

And the Chicom plan wasn't to "spread hysteria from the beginning." Again, their actions show this was to the contrary.

They staged a fake deadly outbreak, downplayed it to seed supposed carriers around the world, and are now ramping the hysteria up to 11.

If they had diligently locked down Wuhan, there would be nothing for us to overreact to.

The ChiComs were almost certainly trying to research a more or less mundane case of COVID in Bats and how it might jump to humans (probably in order to find ways to inhibit it or- waaay down the road- weaponize it), but their incompetence meant that they couldn't study it safely. Local party officials tried to muzzle reports of problems at the Lab. So a bunch of staff at the lab got sick, and ultimately the Virus broke containment.

You mean to tell me you think this was an accident that occurred at exactly the time the CCP needed it?

What luck!

When the CCP at large realized the scope of the problem, they lied through their teeth and claimed everything was alright, intentionally shouting over more honest reports like those by Taiwan that while this wasn't a world-ending problem, it was a problem (and the quicker you jump on a problem, the quicker and easier it is to Solve said problem, as Taiwan's smackdown of WuFlu shows).

Scope of what problem. You are assuming once again that the virus must be hitting someone hard. But it isn't hitting anyone hard, including China. It's just a flu.

Again, THIS IS WHY TRUMP CONDEMNED THE CCP AND WHO (but I repeat myself) FOR LYING ABOUT THE THREAT. At a time when SOME degree of controlled panic was healthy in order to try and make proper preparations to isolate this thing, the CCP sabotaged it.

If they hadn't sabotaged it, supposed carriers wouldn't have spread around the world and we would have nothing to overreact to.

Why would we overreact like China wants if they didn't seed supposed carriers everywhere?

Which helped enable a bunch of Leftist Control Freaks abroad to shout that the World was Ending unless the Free World surrendered its Freedom to Mask-Stasi.

This was the end goal from the outset.

As for the "moderately debilitated Wuhan flu patients", ask around and you might be able to find them. Starting with hospital records, though those are extreme lowball figures since most people with WuFlu didn't go to the Hospital because it wasn't serious or they didn't know it.

Then look through the number of people who have been tested for Antibodies and rung up positive, indicating they found it.

As for evidence of an elevated death toll...

Take the "Official", Artificially inflated numbers of COVID deaths

Prune as much obvious BS as you can off of it, such as the number of people marked "Dead of COVID" after being shot or in a car crash.

Then start adding up the "Official", almost-certianly-artificially-deflated numbers of deaths from causes other than COVID.

Like Flu.

And Pneumonia

(Those are just to get you started. There are more.)

Then compare them to previous, pre-ChiCom Flu mortality seasons from the

Like this for the 2017-2018 Flu Season

Obviously, this isn't all the data you'd need (though I note it's still far more than you've EVER provided at any point in this exchange), but it's the right KIND of data you'd need to look for.

And after gathering it all, you'd add up th BS inflated Coronavirus deaths for 2020+ the BS deflated other-causes deaths for it and get Sum 1.

Then you'd add together the Death Tolls for the "Normal" Causes from another year and get Sum 2 (and then for another year and get Sum 3, and so on).

Then you see if Sum 1 is Greater Than, Equal To, or Less Than the death toll Sum 2, Sum 3/Sum Insert Number here.

And you'd have a PALLPARK guesstimate about the death rate of the 2020 Spring Sickness Season (and COVID) compared to others. Average that out and you get it.

I've done this. This year's flu season looks marginally worse than the average over the last 10 years. But that's because they're counting gunshot wounds as flu deaths, which they've never done before.

Nowhere on earth does this year's flu season look like an outlier of any kind. And even if it did, you would be unable to conclude that China did any actual thing to harm us (beyond spreading a pandemic of hysteria), since we aren't seeing Wuhan flu deaths ON TOP OF regular flu deaths, we are seeing regular flu deaths ATTRIBUTED TO Wuhan flu.

Oh this is Rich.

But to answer your question: the above text spam shows that No, no I didn't "instead of."

I'm sorry, did you mistake your call for me to review the evidence, quoted in full above, as evidence?

But secondly: it's rich you of all people are trying to claim that, considering you haven't even provided a single bit of evidence, statistics, or data for anybody to believe you, not even a surface level statement that "I Iz expert in Mechanical Surgery".

At no point in this discussion have you cited "actual data." The only links about it are coming from me.

The statistics and data do not support the idea that the Wuhan flu is any more dangerous than any other normal past flu season. What, I'm supposed to prove a negative?

And many of your claims- such as that the CCP intended to use WuFlu as a weapon of mass hysteria against the West from the get go- are easily contradicted by the arcane art of looking at the goddamn timeline. And seeing how far from trying to spread Panic abroad, the CCP spent months TRYING TO PREVENT other nations from panicking and taking precautions like Trump's stopping of flights.

If China's government had diligently locked down Wuhan, what would we have to overreact to?

You keep ignoring this question. China had to do as they did to get the supposed carriers spread across the globe. If they hadn't spread, we would have nothing to overreact to, since there would be no supposed carriers in our countries.

If you were trying to cause a global panic, you would take all of the steps China did, in the order they did. Your seeming inability to think strategically or see beyond a single move is on full display here.

And unsurprisingly, you fail at this just as comprehensively as you fail at "reading a timeline."

The most important word in the above statement isn't "Can" (and frankly I mis-wrote, considering the proper phrase should be "DOES." As in, it Does kill thousands every single year.)

The most important word in the above statement isn't "Can."

It's "Understand."

If there's one thing you have shown thus far, it's that you don't understand much in the way of anything, ranging from Bioweapons research (which is apparently the kind of virology anyone does according to you?) to average influenza deaths, to what is dangerous.

No, the most important word was "can," since the thing you said "can" happen hasn't happened, anywhere on earth. That would imply that it actually "can't" happen.

Shitty projector accuses other people of shitty projections, film at eleven.

Which shitty projection have I made? You said something "can" happen when it apparently can't. By contrast, I've done no such thing.

And not only has much that I have said come true, plenty of it came true MONTHS ago.

Because one of the most clearcut and unambiguous bits of "actual data" in today's wired up recording world is a Date. Which is why it's incredibly easy to verify things like WHO acting as a propaganda arm of the ChiComs and saying "China has not found any evidence of human to human transmission" back in January.

Something that thoroughly guts your beloved theory that the CCP intended to use this virus as a weapon of mass panic from the start by showing that the CCP was trying to prevent panic at the time, even reasonable levels of preparation.

And which you have At No Point Whatsoever addressed. Probably because you can't.

Neither the facts nor the law of the case are on your side, so you've apparently decided to pound the table, complaining about me simplifying or summarizing data while not providing any of your own.

I've addressed it, you illiterate faggot. If China had diligently locked down Wuhan, what would we all be overreacting to? The supposed carriers would all be locked down in Wuhan, and wouldn't have spread across the globe.

Thankfully, they weren't carrying anything that we need to be concerned with. But their presence has enabled all this hysteria.

If they weren't here, we wouldn't be overreacting to them. Why would we?

Well, that's no longer going to fly.

Stop wasting my time.

Fucking make me, faggot.