It's funny, because 2 months ago I would have written a comment exactly like this one, but my thinking has changed. I have always been a huge supporter of cops, knowing they do a very difficult and important job. Unfortunately I don't feel this way anymore.
Cops across this country have been given a test over the past 2 months. When push comes to shove, will they actually protect the people they are sworn to defend, or will they carry out the orders of governors and mayors who are clearly abusing their power? Unfortunately many of them failed this test miserably. Just following orders doesn't cut it. They became complicit in the systematic abuse of power and for that, they've lost my respect.
I applaud the sheriffs and other police organizations who took a principled stand and said they won't enforce illegal lockdown orders, but there have been far too few of these.
Sorry but your numbers are way off. This has been going on in virtually every state and city. In NYC alone thousands of people have been ticketed.
It's not only people who have been arrested or ticketed, it's everyone else who have been harassed or just threatened. Think of that, law abiding citizens are being threatened by the police for just living their life. Not cool.
Better than making them up entirely, which is what you did. It’s likely not calculable is the honest answer. Any is too many. But over a thousand like you’re projecting? Way too many. And this party is just getting started. You think the lockdown is the real threat? Wait until all these unemployed, nearly homeless, bankrupt people start getting really desperate. The discord they’re creating will not bode well once these riots start spreading
In response, over 1,000 NYPD officers were deployed across New York’s five borough to enforce social distancing mandates, with police officers reminding people to maintain 6ft of distance and to wear face masks.
I agree, to a point. When a sheriff, who is an elected official, makes a stand he does so in the knowledge that his paycheck is secure. City cops making a stand against the will of their bosses will not only lose their jobs, but also face jail time. You can't really compare the actions of county cops who have the backing of an elected sheriff, versus the actions of city, state or federal cops who do not have the backing of their bosses. Just look at the cops who've been fired over a tweet during the lockdown.
If I were a deputy with the backing of a sheriff making a stand in support of the people he's sworn to protect, I'd be a lot more confident of my future than if I was a city cop who answered to a police chief taking orders from a democrat mayor.
It's about food on the table. Paying the bills. Your child's future. The cops are in a very difficult position here. And with bills to pay, do you choose an action that allows you to keep receiving a paycheck, or do you make a stand knowing that it will lead to your unemployment?
And with bills to pay, do you choose an action that allows you to keep receiving a paycheck, or do you make a stand knowing that it will lead to your unemployment?
I uphold my oath. If I can't do that, then I look for a job that doesn't require me to take an oath.
If they are not willing to do the right thing then they are in the wrong line of work. That said, you have a fair point. I'm not really talking about a single cop defying the orders of his boss.
What I'm getting at here is that entire police departments should be coming out and saying they will not enforce illegal orders, as some have. This happens when the rank and file make it clear to their bosses they are not comfortable with certain orders, and their bosses then make it clear to the public they will not support the abuse of power by mayors and governors. There has not been nearly enough of this.
It's about food on the table. Paying the bills. Your child's future. The cops are in a very difficult position here. And with bills to pay, do you choose an action that allows you to keep receiving a paycheck, or do you make a stand knowing that it will lead to your unemployment?
It's funny, because 2 months ago I would have written a comment exactly like this one, but my thinking has changed. I have always been a huge supporter of cops, knowing they do a very difficult and important job. Unfortunately I don't feel this way anymore.
Cops across this country have been given a test over the past 2 months. When push comes to shove, will they actually protect the people they are sworn to defend, or will they carry out the orders of governors and mayors who are clearly abusing their power? Unfortunately many of them failed this test miserably. Just following orders doesn't cut it. They became complicit in the systematic abuse of power and for that, they've lost my respect.
I applaud the sheriffs and other police organizations who took a principled stand and said they won't enforce illegal lockdown orders, but there have been far too few of these.
Once you stop licking the boot it feels good.
Sorry but your numbers are way off. This has been going on in virtually every state and city. In NYC alone thousands of people have been ticketed.
It's not only people who have been arrested or ticketed, it's everyone else who have been harassed or just threatened. Think of that, law abiding citizens are being threatened by the police for just living their life. Not cool.
Better than making them up entirely, which is what you did. It’s likely not calculable is the honest answer. Any is too many. But over a thousand like you’re projecting? Way too many. And this party is just getting started. You think the lockdown is the real threat? Wait until all these unemployed, nearly homeless, bankrupt people start getting really desperate. The discord they’re creating will not bode well once these riots start spreading
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/coronavirus-new-york-police-enforce-social-distancing
Just going to leave this here...
https://youtu.be/NK1GLrGanAk
This video is 4 years old and they used FBI stats, it's kinda eye opening. The creator of the videos/cartoons was supposedly a CHP officer.
I agree, to a point. When a sheriff, who is an elected official, makes a stand he does so in the knowledge that his paycheck is secure. City cops making a stand against the will of their bosses will not only lose their jobs, but also face jail time. You can't really compare the actions of county cops who have the backing of an elected sheriff, versus the actions of city, state or federal cops who do not have the backing of their bosses. Just look at the cops who've been fired over a tweet during the lockdown.
If I were a deputy with the backing of a sheriff making a stand in support of the people he's sworn to protect, I'd be a lot more confident of my future than if I was a city cop who answered to a police chief taking orders from a democrat mayor.
It's about food on the table. Paying the bills. Your child's future. The cops are in a very difficult position here. And with bills to pay, do you choose an action that allows you to keep receiving a paycheck, or do you make a stand knowing that it will lead to your unemployment?
I uphold my oath. If I can't do that, then I look for a job that doesn't require me to take an oath.
If they are not willing to do the right thing then they are in the wrong line of work. That said, you have a fair point. I'm not really talking about a single cop defying the orders of his boss.
What I'm getting at here is that entire police departments should be coming out and saying they will not enforce illegal orders, as some have. This happens when the rank and file make it clear to their bosses they are not comfortable with certain orders, and their bosses then make it clear to the public they will not support the abuse of power by mayors and governors. There has not been nearly enough of this.
It's about food on the table. Paying the bills. Your child's future. The cops are in a very difficult position here. And with bills to pay, do you choose an action that allows you to keep receiving a paycheck, or do you make a stand knowing that it will lead to your unemployment?
Paid thugs, then.