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Exactly. The consensus seems to be the discussion with the FBI was about the Russian ambassadors getting kicked out, not sanctions. Flynn plead to lying because they were going after his son.
Flynn was on vacation in the Dominican Republic which is why the call was never unmasked. It didn't need to be. Kislyak wasn't making random calls to the Dominican Republic.
yep.. they waited till he didnt have a secure line and was on vacation. Love Bongino, i wish i had time to watch every episode he does, he's pure gold for this info, and always remembers the names/dates/locations.
He’s so damn good. The thing I love the most about his show is that he’ll spend a ton of time on Flynn and Russian Collusion. I am so sick of China virus
Absolutely. Whether they spoke with him and he was in on it, or simply kicked out the Russian diplomats knowing he’d call Flynn, either way they put him up to the call.
Kislyak making the call to Flynn is reasonably foreseeable. No need to explicitly expose and entangle the operation with a hostile foreign actor. No upside, but significant risk.
I still can't believe that no one is making a big deal of the part from the released notes where they say they looked into it because the Russians weren't responding the way they expected, so they decided to check and see if the incoming admin was talking with them and telling them not to.
How are people just glossing over that? It was obvious at the time and still is today that Obama's actions were intended as nothing more than a spiteful attempt to poison the well for Trump with Russia. A lame duck President kicks out a bunch of ambassadors and drops sanctions on a country right before he leaves? To what purpose other than to make things difficult for the new admin?
Anybody with a brain could look at that and say "What a puffed up clown. Anything he does now will just be undone in a few weeks. Way to show your ass."
But now they admitted that they did it expecting a big response from Russia. Hell, that was the intent. But nobody is even mentioning it.
If they hadn't thrown a temper tantrum in an attempt to sabotage the incoming President, there wouldn't have been anything to discuss in the first place and Flynn wouldn't have had to put out any fires.
Schiffty, the Dims, and the media all claimed Flynn discussed removing the sanctions, that was a bald-faced lie. Flynn didn't even ask Russia to not retaliate. He only asked that they keep their response reciprocal.
Yes and he (Obama) was pissed that the Russians didn't react to his provocation (the expulsion of diplomats.) He may be the biggest asshole who ever lived.
Remember though, that Obama was never the brains of any of the things that went on in his admin. It was Valerie Jarrett that pulled his strings. That piece of human shit was at the heart of it all.
It makes me wonder if the only reason why Obama kicked the Russians out of the U.S. and slapped more sanctions on Russia was just to gin up the entire Russia collusion narrative. If it was and there's ANY paper trail of it, Obama is toast. This may be the reason why he doesn't have a "presidential Center" yet and he won't hand over White House documentation to the National Archives. Since he won't hand over the documentation to the National Archives, the National Archives won't help him build his "Presidential Center". Most modern Presidents have had their Presidential LIBRARIES (not centers) built within one or two years of leaving office. Obama hasn't even broken ground yet.
That's what I am suspecting. Look at the dates. Obama knew Flynn was in Dominican Republic on Dec 29. He expels 35 Russian diplomats on Dec 29 -> which obviously would make an ambassador call the incoming national security advisor. And since Flynn was outside US, they could get his conversation.
KISLYAK: We agree. One of the problems among the measures that have been announced today is that now FSB and GRU are sanctions, are sanctioned, and ask myself, uh, docs it mean that the United States isn't willing to work on terrorist threats?
It seems like he's repeating it on purpose or something.
It's an interesting angle and entirely plausible, but idk. He misspeaks in other places in similar ways. It seemed to me more like a non-native English speaker using the wrong word or form of a word.
If I remember correctly there was a lawsuit to stop it from being built at the planned location. Obama, being the asshoe narcissist he is, wants to rip up existing park (which I believe is a historical landmark) to build his center, which will have play areas and wetlands and blah blah blah.
So basically his idea of giving back to the community is to take existing things and refashion them in his image. Kinda like everything he did as President.
Was supposed to be open in 2020 but his website is still asking for donations to fund it.
He's also trying to turn most of it into an office building. So basically, it's built on prime real estate in a middle of park in Chicago. He's trying to do what Trump accomplished as a private citizen in New York.
You do realize, I hope, that someone deep state has a copy of that laptop PLUS the 30k missing emails - they now have their legit dirt on Hillary to be able to manipulate her should she ever become in a position of power again.
I agree with the usage above, as the standard expression is "bald-faced lie." However if you are joking and/or making some other entirely valid point about the brazen lies of the Democrat, more power to you. :)
The reference to sanctions was brief and what you would expect an incoming director to do. As Grassley said, all the innuendo and lies about the call have turned out to be horseshit. Here is what was said and you tell me how this could in any way be seen as improper:
"So, depending on what actions they take over this current issue of cyber stuff, where they are looking like they are going to dismiss some number of Russians out of the country. I understand all that and I understand that the information that they have and all that," Flynn tells Kislyak.
"But I ask Russia to do is to not, if anything, I know you have to have some sort of action, to only make it reciprocal; don't go any further than you have to because I don't want us to get into something that have to escalate to tit-for-tat. Do you follow me?"
Flynn adds that the two countries need "cool heads to prevail ... because we have absolutely a common threat in the Middle East."
Look again https://thedonald.win/p/Fg7kEgCO/the-only-time-sanctions-is-menti/c/ Flynn didnt bring it up but it was mentioned by the Russian..Which leads me to believe that the FBI asked Flynn about sanctions and he didnt remember talking about it. Kislyak brought it up and Flynn dismissed it with a "Yeah, Yeah". So, "sanctions" was mentioned by Kislyak and Flynn said it wasnt and then they ruined his life.
But so what if he did. There was nothing improper in that call. He's the incoming director talking to his counterpart. He's simply asking that they not escalate the situation- in what insane reading of the situation is that somehow wrong or undermines America? That is what you would expect him to say. And the FBI/Obama adminiatration used that as a pretext to try and set him up. That is what is alarming. Here is what was said. Someone tell me how this is in any way concerning:
"So, depending on what actions they take over this current issue of cyber stuff, where they are looking like they are going to dismiss some number of Russians out of the country. I understand all that and I understand that the information that they have and all that," Flynn tells Kislyak.
"But I ask Russia to do is to not, if anything, I know you have to have some sort of action, to only make it reciprocal; don't go any further than you have to because I don't want us to get into something that have to escalate to tit-for-tat. Do you follow me?"
Flynn adds that the two countries need "cool heads to prevail ... because we have absolutely a common threat in the Middle East."
Grassley is right: "all of the innuendo about Lt. General Flynn this whole time was totally bunk. There was nothing improper about his call, and the FBI knew it."
Even the most TDS individual, if they could somehow think rationally and for themself, would have to agree.
It's a violation of the Logan Act if you: a) consider the conversation a negotiation, and b) consider Flynn an unauthorized representative at the time of the call
The Logan Act has never been used in a successful prosecution, and hasn't been used since before the Civil War. Do you know why? Because it's clearly unconstitutional. And yet Mueller's team also threatened Papadopoulos with a Logan Act violation. Nice scam- bankrupt Flynn and Papadopoulos and threaten them with shit like the Logan Act until they plead guilty to something that will lead to no jail time or a week or so. And apparently it worked on you- you actually think the alleged Logan Act violation is legit.
There's no way this isn't coordinated. Multiple cities, people flying in to different airports to join the riots. This is Obamagate + losing the fear grip of WuFlu + rebounding economy distractions.
Unfortunately, this is also a consequence of not draining the swamp quickly and swiftly enough. Too bad.
Basically it's really HAPPENING and the deepstate; since the virus hoax didn't work to cover up their treason (that's what all of this is, it's to COVER up their crimes) are now on to sparking a race war, this shit is literally being coordinated. This shit screams major FALSE FLAG.
Suddenly COVID-19 isn't the boogeyman anymore, we're all being systematically manipulated and controlled (or was lol). The jig is up, it's almost over for the deepstate but maybe that's just me being the optimist that I am.
He means the presence of a NEW distraction (the riots) indicates the deep state is in full panic mode trying to draw attention away from the current happenings, which are absolutely damning for them.
Kislyak to Flynn on Dec. 31: "And I just wanted to telI you that we found that these actions have targeted not only against Russia, but also against the president elect."
Putin's not our friend, Pede. Putin was probably trying to work out how to exploit the information he had to make Trump back off his aggressive oil policy, etc.
I haven't seen Putin lift a fucking finger to help Trump in all this, and to find out he knew all along... well, he's definitely not out friend.
There is something about that in the summary too. "Someone asks Chernyshev, Which agency are we talking about? Chernyshev asks as to confirm
if he understands the question and responds in the same time: Which Agency hackers did the hacking? Believe me, Americans did hacked this all."
Yeah that's crazy stuff about Seth Rich is starting to come out, no wonder the MSM has shifted from COVID fear mongering to race wars and riots, they're fucking full blown panicking. Seth Rich, this call which reveals absolutely nothing, Trump telling WHO to go fuck themselves, aren't there senate hearings on Monday?
From the transcripts:
Before General Flynn's voice message turns on, there is an open line, barely audible chat. Someone asks Chernyshev, "Which agency are we talking about?" Chernyshev asks as to confirm if he understands the question and responds in the same time: "Which Agency hackers did the hacking? Believe me, Americans did hacked this all".
Yes, big sigh of relief that Ratcliffe didn't sit on these. He got handed the grenade and promptly pulled the pin and lobbed it in the direction of Adam Schiff.
I see what your saying, but now its public information. Anytime anything is asked about the calls they can be referred to publicly, like say in the Rosenstein Senate hearing next week on the 3rd. Assuming Rod isnt arkanacided first
to be honest knowing these transcripts have already been sitting on his desk since Tuesday, declassified by Grenell, im happy they dropped this week. Good to get it out and let the discussions begin in the public forum.
This is huge, friends. This is proof the entire Russian collusion was based on lies, nothing but lies. We need to see some dangling (elliptical participles).
While this is proof of that, it's not like this transcript was recently unearthed. It has been in the possession of so many goddamn people. I get there's Jack and shit that can be done to the lying Congresscritters, but every government agent under the executive branch that looked at, was involved with, or knew of this needs to be fired yesterday. Their partners too, just to make sure the rot didn't spread.
No they need to be executed. Because shuffling people around or fireing then so they can get a job at CNN et cetera does nothing. The fact that everyone has had these goddamn transcripts the whole time, knew this was BS and didnt said shit. Its beyond the pale. Ghoulish
Not only did Flynn not do anything wrong, and would have no reason to lie about it, but he couldn’t have lied about not talking about something he didn’t talk about.
Yhea they had the transcripts. They said the content of the call was suspicious enough that they needed to know the identity of the masked person on the call (Flynn). Then one of the people on the list that was released last week or so illegally leaked the name to the Washington post. The calls as we now know from todays declass weren't suspicious and they had no business unmasking Flynn and definitely no business leaking classified information to the press.
They had the transcipt from Dec 29, 2016 due to the fact that Flynn was out of country when Kislyak called him. Yes the FBI had it and it did not even warrant an unmasking.
”HURR DEE DURRR! THESE ARE EDITED AND NOT THE FULL VERSIONS, JUST LIKE WHEN GLOMPH RELEAED THE FAKE TRANSCRIPTS WITH UKRAINE! REEEEEEEEEEEE!” - The Left
From Sundance "It has been my long-standing suspicion the FBI summaries (CR Cuts) will not accurately reflect the content of the calls; and were purposefully manipulated by the FBI to give a false impression that Flynn was undermining Obama."
Good, lad. I'm glad to see the trepidation that Ratcliffe would turn into a useless deep state asset once given power was just conditioned learned helplessness around our expectations of government officials.
If the Flynn calls turn out to be nothing out of the ordinary, then it's game over for the FBI, CIA, NSA, DNC, Comey, Brennan, Obama, Hillary, Eric Holder, etc etc etc.
I read the transcripts. If they went after him for that, then it's not fun anymore. Like, this is not a game anymore. We had fun with the ''deep state'' thing but this makes it real.
If I was in charge of things, anyone involved in this attempted coup would get skinned alive on live television.
Agreed, this is a very serious situation. There is no telling how far these people will go to protect what they have built over the past 5 decades. Our government has two sides. The one we call deep state deserves to be launched into space with no suits while duct taped to the outside of the spacecraft.
My only ''concern'' is that President Trump is a surprisingly measured guy in his actions.
He never goes scorch the earth right away. He punishes but always gives chances for redemption. That might work for small issues.
But this Flynn situation is beyond serious. I don't think that anything short of a scorched the earth action will work. It's not an embryo of a police state that we have here. It's way passed that.
Dude I'm thinking of getting rid of my cell phone and laptop. These people have no limits and can plant stuff on your devices. There are no limits and no laws. And they have all the power.
I agree with ya pede. The phone and pc thing is not paranoia. If we lose in november I might do exactly what you are thinking about doing. If this deep state or whatever you want to call it get the reigns again I think they will try to destroy us all.
I almost fell asleep reading that goddamn shit, I want to see some feet dangling, fuck every single one of those traitors, this would be the perfect time to round these bastards up while Minn is going up in flames, keep the MSM busy with their little false flag while Trump sends these bustas to GITMO.
The same people burning down cities because they think the justice system murdered a man in broad day light are the same people that will tell you that Flynn could not have been railroaded into a plea.
Love this guy! With Ratcliff and Barr and Durham all working it, I'm begining to hope that the Obama Administration might actually have members see justice.
So, Kisliack left a voice mail to General Flynn was enough to investigate him for Muh Russian Collusion. I read the whole Transcript and General Flynn was doing everything for America's interest and Obama was trying to set up Traps with trying to have a UN Resolution to condemn Israel and expel Russian diplomats weeks before leaving office hoping Flynn would break the Logan Act and trying and clean up Obama's shit show days before leaving office trying to make Trump's transition as difficult as possible. Obama's fake Russia collusion bullshit cost our country hundreds of millions in wasted time and money and target great people like General Flynn.
I posted this on r/Conservative but there isn't much of a discussion going on over there yet. I could use some insight because I feel like I'm missing something that other people aren't (ex. Bongino).
Ok I'm trying to understand here and would appreciate some help. I get that this could have been a setup, or at least a very unusual prosecution due to political bias. I get that the Logan act is kind of... iffy... and Flynn probably had no reason to try to cover his butt. I get that there were likely bad actors all around including the FBI. I get that the Obama administration may have orchestrated the whole thing and laid a trap, partly because they were pissed Flynn saw China as a bigger threat than Russia, and, well, the motivations don't really matter at this moment. Hopefully we get some clarity on that eventually.
But from what I'm reading today it looks like Flynn did clearly lie to the FBI about the calls and that may have had a material impact on their investigation. Are we trying to dispute that? What am I missing?
Declassified transcript has Flynn asking Russia not to respond in a tit-for-tat manner after the expulsions. He even uses that phrase directly. His signed confession states that he explicitly denied that in his FBI interview. On the face of it it seems like an open and shut case for lying. (Under oath?) Forgetting whether or not it was a set up for a minute, he clearly had the call and then signed a document stating that he lied about the contents of that call. Why are quite a few smart people saying he's not guilty?
The only thing I can piece together based on what I've read is that possibly someone at the FBI doctored the 302, and the original one cannot be produced (very suspicious). And Flynn confessed because they were targeting his son or had something else on him. In other words, he plead guilty to something he didn't do. Maybe he did tell the FBI about the contents of the call in the interview and they doctored it to look like he didn't? So the entire thing was a setup and the FBI evidence was fabricated? His confession was to fake evidence?
Read AG Barr's letter explaining the dismissal. It explains the reasons clearly. In short, Flynn was not proven to have lied intentionally or to have done so in a way that "materially" affects an investigation.
Basically, you shouldn't be arrested for misremembering, or even lying about, the weather when it has nothing to do with what's being investigated. Especially when that investigation was A) supposed to be closed administratively already and B) the FBI could just look up the weather report (phone transcript) instead of trying to get you to misremember/lie.
Thanks I will do that. Yeah that all makes sense... I still have a hard time believing Flynn didn't remember something like that, but I fully get that it doesn't really matter because it was all a setup. Just feels like he is not 100% blame free, and unfortunately that's big distraction. But agree 100% with the dismissal.
I just hate seeing every leftist news outlet tonight headlining that "this confirms Flynn lied". It's a scapegoat for the real story.
Flynn probably didn't spend much mental effort trying to remember. There was no lawyer and he directly stated the FBI has the transcripts anyway so they can just check. Also, if they asked about "sanctions" it's reasonable he didn't think he did given he talked about response to the expulsion of the russians.
The Logan Act is a federal law that "criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States."
So it depends how you define negotiation and unauthorized in this context.
"And also, basically we have to take these, these enemies on, that we have. And we definitely have a common enemy. You have a problem with it, we have a problem with it in this country, and we definitely have a problem with it in the Middle East,” he said.
Gen Flynn was going to expose the common "invisible" enemy within. They had to take him down, he knows where all the bodies are buried.
Thus why Judge Sullivan is trying to stall Flynn from freedom... He is the key to most of this. I expect admiral Rogers to pop back into all of this soon.
Flynn pled guilty to ensnare the rats. Consider how you could prove in court, with actual evidence, the corruption of so many rats, and get an actual conviction. He knew he was the fall guy, but he did it anyway... for us.
So.....Flynn didnt even bring up the sanctions.
Exactly. The consensus seems to be the discussion with the FBI was about the Russian ambassadors getting kicked out, not sanctions. Flynn plead to lying because they were going after his son.
Flynn was on vacation in the Dominican Republic which is why the call was never unmasked. It didn't need to be. Kislyak wasn't making random calls to the Dominican Republic.
Bongino strikes again!
yep.. they waited till he didnt have a secure line and was on vacation. Love Bongino, i wish i had time to watch every episode he does, he's pure gold for this info, and always remembers the names/dates/locations.
Download the podcast and listen to it at a faster play speed. YouTube has a speed option as well. 1.5-1.75 is usually good.
Bongino has been money on this
Bongino is pure gold on this topic...He needs more love on this site :D
He’s so damn good. The thing I love the most about his show is that he’ll spend a ton of time on Flynn and Russian Collusion. I am so sick of China virus
Dude's eyebrows game is high energy lol things want to jump off his forehead
My theory? They put Kislyak up to making that call.
All part of the set up.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/02/russian-ambassador-kislyak-attended-trump-congressional-speech-tuesday-sat-with-democrats/
Absolutely. Whether they spoke with him and he was in on it, or simply kicked out the Russian diplomats knowing he’d call Flynn, either way they put him up to the call.
Flynn is a democrat
Not anymore. ;0)
Was a Democrat in the same way Trump was a Democrat.
Now, they are not because Democrats have proven to be total scumbags.
"I'll have more flexibility after the election."
Kislyak making the call to Flynn is reasonably foreseeable. No need to explicitly expose and entangle the operation with a hostile foreign actor. No upside, but significant risk.
Who says he's a hostile actor?
It would have to be the working assumption of a conspiracy of this nature.
We have had sanctions on Russia since Crimea.
We have had sanctions on russia since the cold war. But the ones that flynn supposedly discussed hadn't even been implemented yet.
I still can't believe that no one is making a big deal of the part from the released notes where they say they looked into it because the Russians weren't responding the way they expected, so they decided to check and see if the incoming admin was talking with them and telling them not to.
How are people just glossing over that? It was obvious at the time and still is today that Obama's actions were intended as nothing more than a spiteful attempt to poison the well for Trump with Russia. A lame duck President kicks out a bunch of ambassadors and drops sanctions on a country right before he leaves? To what purpose other than to make things difficult for the new admin?
Anybody with a brain could look at that and say "What a puffed up clown. Anything he does now will just be undone in a few weeks. Way to show your ass."
But now they admitted that they did it expecting a big response from Russia. Hell, that was the intent. But nobody is even mentioning it.
If they hadn't thrown a temper tantrum in an attempt to sabotage the incoming President, there wouldn't have been anything to discuss in the first place and Flynn wouldn't have had to put out any fires.
The fbi had all the cards. They could make the 303 say that Flynn said whatever they wanted
Use some Formula 409 on that mess
haha I have not heard about formula 409 in ages.
I prefer a cloth.
I heard hammers work too.
*302
302
There is only one version of the transcripts, which is what the DNI released, and the only mention of the sanctions was by Kislyak.
Schiffty, the Dims, and the media all claimed Flynn discussed removing the sanctions, that was a bald-faced lie. Flynn didn't even ask Russia to not retaliate. He only asked that they keep their response reciprocal.
They were basing that claim on that phony summary. That summary is the Obama birth certificate of call summaries
so obama was larping to provoke a russian response and fuck with the incoming administration?
Yes and he (Obama) was pissed that the Russians didn't react to his provocation (the expulsion of diplomats.) He may be the biggest asshole who ever lived.
His asshole is pretty stretched out from Big Dick Mikes hog.
I thought I was one of few that called Mike's log a hog.
Remember though, that Obama was never the brains of any of the things that went on in his admin. It was Valerie Jarrett that pulled his strings. That piece of human shit was at the heart of it all.
The Simeon Reptile Iranian Agent?
The Planet of the Apes star
Obama's a worse bitch than that Perez Hilton creep -- and that's saying a lot.
Hard to beat Mitt on the AH ranking.
Obama: "Challenge accepted."
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
It makes me wonder if the only reason why Obama kicked the Russians out of the U.S. and slapped more sanctions on Russia was just to gin up the entire Russia collusion narrative. If it was and there's ANY paper trail of it, Obama is toast. This may be the reason why he doesn't have a "presidential Center" yet and he won't hand over White House documentation to the National Archives. Since he won't hand over the documentation to the National Archives, the National Archives won't help him build his "Presidential Center". Most modern Presidents have had their Presidential LIBRARIES (not centers) built within one or two years of leaving office. Obama hasn't even broken ground yet.
That's what I am suspecting. Look at the dates. Obama knew Flynn was in Dominican Republic on Dec 29. He expels 35 Russian diplomats on Dec 29 -> which obviously would make an ambassador call the incoming national security advisor. And since Flynn was outside US, they could get his conversation.
And I would go even further and say that someone asked Amb Kissedmycrack to call Flynn and explicitly mention sanctions. Not once but twice.
Flynn was too good for them even during an ambush setup.
The call sounds like a setup call like with the Quid pro quo bullshit.
100%. Reading it:
It seems like he's repeating it on purpose or something.
It's an interesting angle and entirely plausible, but idk. He misspeaks in other places in similar ways. It seemed to me more like a non-native English speaker using the wrong word or form of a word.
I wonder who or which organization asked Kissedmycrack to setup Flynn.
Bathhouse Barry...? Brennan?
I think they could get the conversation just as easily if the American is in the US, all Russian government calls are spied on.
yes but remember what DNI Grenell tweeted last week? He said "it was not our IC's product".
Ah yeah, true.
Don't forget the NSA data sharing right around that time too.
If I remember correctly there was a lawsuit to stop it from being built at the planned location. Obama, being the asshoe narcissist he is, wants to rip up existing park (which I believe is a historical landmark) to build his center, which will have play areas and wetlands and blah blah blah.
So basically his idea of giving back to the community is to take existing things and refashion them in his image. Kinda like everything he did as President.
Was supposed to be open in 2020 but his website is still asking for donations to fund it.
He's also trying to turn most of it into an office building. So basically, it's built on prime real estate in a middle of park in Chicago. He's trying to do what Trump accomplished as a private citizen in New York.
That's what I've been almost certain of, for a long time.
Same place as the Weiner laptop and DNC server, I think.
That was code for destroyed.
LIKE WITH A CLOTH?
You do realize, I hope, that someone deep state has a copy of that laptop PLUS the 30k missing emails - they now have their legit dirt on Hillary to be able to manipulate her should she ever become in a position of power again.
I hope
IT'S MA'AM!
I agree with the usage above, as the standard expression is "bald-faced lie." However if you are joking and/or making some other entirely valid point about the brazen lies of the Democrat, more power to you. :)
different versions of what? theres nothin in these transcripts here...
Fake news media are conflating discussion of expelled Russians as discussion of sanctions.
Rachel Madcow gives exaggerating entertainers a bad name...
"Daddy, you're fake news!" Kids speaking the truth are priceless.
He's waiting for Shifty's imaginary version.
so is fredo. he needs to see it to make sure its safe to show people.
The reference to sanctions was brief and what you would expect an incoming director to do. As Grassley said, all the innuendo and lies about the call have turned out to be horseshit. Here is what was said and you tell me how this could in any way be seen as improper: "So, depending on what actions they take over this current issue of cyber stuff, where they are looking like they are going to dismiss some number of Russians out of the country. I understand all that and I understand that the information that they have and all that," Flynn tells Kislyak.
"But I ask Russia to do is to not, if anything, I know you have to have some sort of action, to only make it reciprocal; don't go any further than you have to because I don't want us to get into something that have to escalate to tit-for-tat. Do you follow me?"
Flynn adds that the two countries need "cool heads to prevail ... because we have absolutely a common threat in the Middle East."
And yet the FBI uses this as a pretext to ambush him for an interview to set him up. https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/declassified-transcripts-flynn-calls-russians-show
Bonjino just confirmed it on Parler, they never spoke of sanctions, Flynn was 100% railroaded.
Look again https://thedonald.win/p/Fg7kEgCO/the-only-time-sanctions-is-menti/c/ Flynn didnt bring it up but it was mentioned by the Russian..Which leads me to believe that the FBI asked Flynn about sanctions and he didnt remember talking about it. Kislyak brought it up and Flynn dismissed it with a "Yeah, Yeah". So, "sanctions" was mentioned by Kislyak and Flynn said it wasnt and then they ruined his life.
But so what if he did. There was nothing improper in that call. He's the incoming director talking to his counterpart. He's simply asking that they not escalate the situation- in what insane reading of the situation is that somehow wrong or undermines America? That is what you would expect him to say. And the FBI/Obama adminiatration used that as a pretext to try and set him up. That is what is alarming. Here is what was said. Someone tell me how this is in any way concerning:
"So, depending on what actions they take over this current issue of cyber stuff, where they are looking like they are going to dismiss some number of Russians out of the country. I understand all that and I understand that the information that they have and all that," Flynn tells Kislyak.
"But I ask Russia to do is to not, if anything, I know you have to have some sort of action, to only make it reciprocal; don't go any further than you have to because I don't want us to get into something that have to escalate to tit-for-tat. Do you follow me?"
Flynn adds that the two countries need "cool heads to prevail ... because we have absolutely a common threat in the Middle East."
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/declassified-transcripts-flynn-calls-russians-show
Grassley is right: "all of the innuendo about Lt. General Flynn this whole time was totally bunk. There was nothing improper about his call, and the FBI knew it."
Even the most TDS individual, if they could somehow think rationally and for themself, would have to agree.
Great post. Thank you
It's a violation of the Logan Act if you: a) consider the conversation a negotiation, and b) consider Flynn an unauthorized representative at the time of the call
The Logan Act has never been used in a successful prosecution, and hasn't been used since before the Civil War. Do you know why? Because it's clearly unconstitutional. And yet Mueller's team also threatened Papadopoulos with a Logan Act violation. Nice scam- bankrupt Flynn and Papadopoulos and threaten them with shit like the Logan Act until they plead guilty to something that will lead to no jail time or a week or so. And apparently it worked on you- you actually think the alleged Logan Act violation is legit.
Relevant
Us Bongino listeners know this already. Sanctions never ever came up. The original 302 is still missing as well.
Race riots are a distraction from this
Flynn didnt even discuss the sanctions. Fuck these traitors
I think this is the Happening. The balloon is going up.
...and suddenly race riots.
What universe are we in where rioting citizens is a "good" sign? What's next, celebrating bike lock attacks as positive movement forward?
He's saying it's an indicator of panic from the other side, who are coordinating these riots. It means that Trump is hitting them in a sensitive spot.
That would be preferable to our citizens hurting each other over the actions of a single man.
There's no way this isn't coordinated. Multiple cities, people flying in to different airports to join the riots. This is Obamagate + losing the fear grip of WuFlu + rebounding economy distractions.
Unfortunately, this is also a consequence of not draining the swamp quickly and swiftly enough. Too bad.
Basically it's really HAPPENING and the deepstate; since the virus hoax didn't work to cover up their treason (that's what all of this is, it's to COVER up their crimes) are now on to sparking a race war, this shit is literally being coordinated. This shit screams major FALSE FLAG.
Suddenly COVID-19 isn't the boogeyman anymore, we're all being systematically manipulated and controlled (or was lol). The jig is up, it's almost over for the deepstate but maybe that's just me being the optimist that I am.
He means the presence of a NEW distraction (the riots) indicates the deep state is in full panic mode trying to draw attention away from the current happenings, which are absolutely damning for them.
And also people being done with WuFlu. Need new fear mongering.
The universe where the worst of us try to control the narrative away from the truth being discovered.
ok.
June 1 is Monday. I wonder what Judge Sullivan will have to say.
i've been wondering all day how this is gonna go for him on mon
Kislyak to Flynn on Dec. 31: "And I just wanted to telI you that we found that these actions have targeted not only against Russia, but also against the president elect."
They say right in the transcript America hacked themselves. LOL. They're so rekt.
That’s why Trump likes Putin. Putin knew Obama was framing Trump.
Putin's not our friend, Pede. Putin was probably trying to work out how to exploit the information he had to make Trump back off his aggressive oil policy, etc.
I haven't seen Putin lift a fucking finger to help Trump in all this, and to find out he knew all along... well, he's definitely not out friend.
Absolutely true, but they're likewise not the enemy leftists would have us believe.
Exactly. We shouldn't trust Russia, but China is clearly the biggest threat to us at the moment.
Democrats are the biggest threat. Our greatest enemies come from within.
They're funded by foreigners
"Russia says they didn't do it"
"OMG HOW DARE YOU NOT BELIEVE OUR OWN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES YOU TRAITOR"
Heh
Caught my eye too.
Yep, I saw that as well. Russia knew.
There is something about that in the summary too. "Someone asks Chernyshev, Which agency are we talking about? Chernyshev asks as to confirm if he understands the question and responds in the same time: Which Agency hackers did the hacking? Believe me, Americans did hacked this all."
What the fuck?
AMERICANS HACKED THEMSELVES
THE RUSSIANS KNEW IT BECAUSE THEYRE NOT STUPID
HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH
Dont forget about Epstein
And Bill Clinton. He’s a rapist.
infowars dot com
Yeah that's crazy stuff about Seth Rich is starting to come out, no wonder the MSM has shifted from COVID fear mongering to race wars and riots, they're fucking full blown panicking. Seth Rich, this call which reveals absolutely nothing, Trump telling WHO to go fuck themselves, aren't there senate hearings on Monday?
This shit is crazy, I can barely even sleep.
From the transcripts: Before General Flynn's voice message turns on, there is an open line, barely audible chat. Someone asks Chernyshev, "Which agency are we talking about?" Chernyshev asks as to confirm if he understands the question and responds in the same time: "Which Agency hackers did the hacking? Believe me, Americans did hacked this all".
Well looks like we know he's our guy
Yes, big sigh of relief that Ratcliffe didn't sit on these. He got handed the grenade and promptly pulled the pin and lobbed it in the direction of Adam Schiff.
Yep. Was just thinking the same thing. Good guy Ratcliffe. If he was in the deep state's pocket, no chance this gets declassified so quickly.
We'll see in the long run I guess. Grenell did make it basically impossible to NOT release this.
HEY SWALLWELL, WHAT NOW DOUCHEBAG?
Swallowswell can go suck on a gun barrel.
I'd rather see him disgraced, outcast from society and living like a hobo for the rest of his days.
i imagine he’d do pretty well as a bus station prostitute
Greatest scandal in our nations history.
A scandal that rivals any other.
Transcripts here:
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-29%20ODNI%20to%20CEG%20RHJ%20%28Flynn%20Transcripts%29.pdf
Thanks! Tried to google but all that came up is MSM and I refuse to give them clocks
Currently reading through. It's SO boring. Not even kidding. It's random middle-eastern bs talk about stability etc.
I'm half way through. This thing better get juicy otherwise Comey, Obama and his gang are going down.
Why do you think Burr blocked him..look at the voting for his confirmation. He’s truly our guy.
He made a Friday drop in the middle of a race riot on something that was already declassified. He picked the worst possible time to release it.
I see what your saying, but now its public information. Anytime anything is asked about the calls they can be referred to publicly, like say in the Rosenstein Senate hearing next week on the 3rd. Assuming Rod isnt arkanacided first
I'd like to see how Judge Sullivan reacts this weekend
He's had it for days and could have released it at any moment. Pointing out the disadvantageous moment Ratcliffe chose seems valid.
to be honest knowing these transcripts have already been sitting on his desk since Tuesday, declassified by Grenell, im happy they dropped this week. Good to get it out and let the discussions begin in the public forum.
We knew that from the hearings... he was absolutely lit
This is huge, friends. This is proof the entire Russian collusion was based on lies, nothing but lies. We need to see some dangling (elliptical participles).
While this is proof of that, it's not like this transcript was recently unearthed. It has been in the possession of so many goddamn people. I get there's Jack and shit that can be done to the lying Congresscritters, but every government agent under the executive branch that looked at, was involved with, or knew of this needs to be fired yesterday. Their partners too, just to make sure the rot didn't spread.
No they need to be executed. Because shuffling people around or fireing then so they can get a job at CNN et cetera does nothing. The fact that everyone has had these goddamn transcripts the whole time, knew this was BS and didnt said shit. Its beyond the pale. Ghoulish
Yes, i agree with what should happen. But, perhaps we can focus on what can happen, and THEN go for our christmas wish list?
Most important takeaway right here.
“After the first one, the rest are free.”
protagonist in Unintended Consequences, by John Ross
There you go swalwell now stfu
Compare to the indictment:
https://www.ajc.com/news/national/michael-flynn-indictment-read-the-charges-filed-against-flynn/97MR6nPUoPH9R1CshNlW0H/
Not only did Flynn not do anything wrong, and would have no reason to lie about it, but he couldn’t have lied about not talking about something he didn’t talk about.
And they knew all this right? They had the call transcript no?
Yhea they had the transcripts. They said the content of the call was suspicious enough that they needed to know the identity of the masked person on the call (Flynn). Then one of the people on the list that was released last week or so illegally leaked the name to the Washington post. The calls as we now know from todays declass weren't suspicious and they had no business unmasking Flynn and definitely no business leaking classified information to the press.
They had the transcipt from Dec 29, 2016 due to the fact that Flynn was out of country when Kislyak called him. Yes the FBI had it and it did not even warrant an unmasking.
Guilty. Of hurting Sweet Barry's ego.
”HURR DEE DURRR! THESE ARE EDITED AND NOT THE FULL VERSIONS, JUST LIKE WHEN GLOMPH RELEAED THE FAKE TRANSCRIPTS WITH UKRAINE! REEEEEEEEEEEE!” - The Left
that is seriously the first reason-you to sydney powell’s twitter post about it
From Sundance "It has been my long-standing suspicion the FBI summaries (CR Cuts) will not accurately reflect the content of the calls; and were purposefully manipulated by the FBI to give a false impression that Flynn was undermining Obama."
lul undermining an outgoing president who's policies are subject to immediate change
Time to get Mueller back on the stand and ask why they decided to try to ruin Flynn's life. They won't know what to say. Traitors.
Mueller's probably farther gone mentally than Biden is by now.
Good, lad. I'm glad to see the trepidation that Ratcliffe would turn into a useless deep state asset once given power was just conditioned learned helplessness around our expectations of government officials.
He needs to live up to his name and throw the rats off a cliff.
Leftists have only failed. Any apparent success is just temporary.
First test... Passed.
Like we've been saying all along.
So when do arrests begin? Still years away?
At least until after the election. Then its 50/50 depending on who wins.
So they cheat, they win. We go to gulags. Now or never pede.
If the Flynn calls turn out to be nothing out of the ordinary, then it's game over for the FBI, CIA, NSA, DNC, Comey, Brennan, Obama, Hillary, Eric Holder, etc etc etc.
They have to go to jail. All of them.
I wish it would be that easy. I think deep state will cause civil war to stay out of jail to be honest.
I read the transcripts. If they went after him for that, then it's not fun anymore. Like, this is not a game anymore. We had fun with the ''deep state'' thing but this makes it real.
If I was in charge of things, anyone involved in this attempted coup would get skinned alive on live television.
Agreed, this is a very serious situation. There is no telling how far these people will go to protect what they have built over the past 5 decades. Our government has two sides. The one we call deep state deserves to be launched into space with no suits while duct taped to the outside of the spacecraft.
My only ''concern'' is that President Trump is a surprisingly measured guy in his actions.
He never goes scorch the earth right away. He punishes but always gives chances for redemption. That might work for small issues.
But this Flynn situation is beyond serious. I don't think that anything short of a scorched the earth action will work. It's not an embryo of a police state that we have here. It's way passed that.
Dude I'm thinking of getting rid of my cell phone and laptop. These people have no limits and can plant stuff on your devices. There are no limits and no laws. And they have all the power.
I agree with ya pede. The phone and pc thing is not paranoia. If we lose in november I might do exactly what you are thinking about doing. If this deep state or whatever you want to call it get the reigns again I think they will try to destroy us all.
Final thought: remember that the judiciary is in their pocket as well. See ''Judge'' Emmet Sullivan in the Flynn case.
Everything is weaponized. And it's not even a joke anymore. It's real.
Arkancide has entered the chat.
I almost fell asleep reading that goddamn shit, I want to see some feet dangling, fuck every single one of those traitors, this would be the perfect time to round these bastards up while Minn is going up in flames, keep the MSM busy with their little false flag while Trump sends these bustas to GITMO.
You can at least be happy Ratcliff is continuing Grennell's declass efforts.
The same people burning down cities because they think the justice system murdered a man in broad day light are the same people that will tell you that Flynn could not have been railroaded into a plea.
So he basically said “hey, regardless of Obama does please don’t respond with anything that hand cuffs the new administration “
I mean, that’s essentially it. We got 3 years of Russia because of that
Hahahahaha! First day on the job and Ratcliffe is already picking up the Grenell Torch and running with it! Thanks for the confirmation, Senate Dems!
Love this guy! With Ratcliff and Barr and Durham all working it, I'm begining to hope that the Obama Administration might actually have members see justice.
Please, Mr. President, - and everyone else - call it The New Red Scare.
So, Kisliack left a voice mail to General Flynn was enough to investigate him for Muh Russian Collusion. I read the whole Transcript and General Flynn was doing everything for America's interest and Obama was trying to set up Traps with trying to have a UN Resolution to condemn Israel and expel Russian diplomats weeks before leaving office hoping Flynn would break the Logan Act and trying and clean up Obama's shit show days before leaving office trying to make Trump's transition as difficult as possible. Obama's fake Russia collusion bullshit cost our country hundreds of millions in wasted time and money and target great people like General Flynn.
Thank God “She” didn’t win or this would never come out.
Why isn't this stickies after two hours??
Cause people be burning shit.
The FBI is the most untrustworthy agency in the federal government.
Hi, FBI agent. You work for a corrupt agency and my 1A right allows me to say I don't trust you and your agency is a sack of shit. Are you?
Press S to spit on Hoover's grave
I posted this on r/Conservative but there isn't much of a discussion going on over there yet. I could use some insight because I feel like I'm missing something that other people aren't (ex. Bongino).
Ok I'm trying to understand here and would appreciate some help. I get that this could have been a setup, or at least a very unusual prosecution due to political bias. I get that the Logan act is kind of... iffy... and Flynn probably had no reason to try to cover his butt. I get that there were likely bad actors all around including the FBI. I get that the Obama administration may have orchestrated the whole thing and laid a trap, partly because they were pissed Flynn saw China as a bigger threat than Russia, and, well, the motivations don't really matter at this moment. Hopefully we get some clarity on that eventually.
But from what I'm reading today it looks like Flynn did clearly lie to the FBI about the calls and that may have had a material impact on their investigation. Are we trying to dispute that? What am I missing?
Declassified transcript has Flynn asking Russia not to respond in a tit-for-tat manner after the expulsions. He even uses that phrase directly. His signed confession states that he explicitly denied that in his FBI interview. On the face of it it seems like an open and shut case for lying. (Under oath?) Forgetting whether or not it was a set up for a minute, he clearly had the call and then signed a document stating that he lied about the contents of that call. Why are quite a few smart people saying he's not guilty?
The only thing I can piece together based on what I've read is that possibly someone at the FBI doctored the 302, and the original one cannot be produced (very suspicious). And Flynn confessed because they were targeting his son or had something else on him. In other words, he plead guilty to something he didn't do. Maybe he did tell the FBI about the contents of the call in the interview and they doctored it to look like he didn't? So the entire thing was a setup and the FBI evidence was fabricated? His confession was to fake evidence?
Am I missing a piece here...
Read AG Barr's letter explaining the dismissal. It explains the reasons clearly. In short, Flynn was not proven to have lied intentionally or to have done so in a way that "materially" affects an investigation.
Basically, you shouldn't be arrested for misremembering, or even lying about, the weather when it has nothing to do with what's being investigated. Especially when that investigation was A) supposed to be closed administratively already and B) the FBI could just look up the weather report (phone transcript) instead of trying to get you to misremember/lie.
Thanks I will do that. Yeah that all makes sense... I still have a hard time believing Flynn didn't remember something like that, but I fully get that it doesn't really matter because it was all a setup. Just feels like he is not 100% blame free, and unfortunately that's big distraction. But agree 100% with the dismissal.
I just hate seeing every leftist news outlet tonight headlining that "this confirms Flynn lied". It's a scapegoat for the real story.
Flynn probably didn't spend much mental effort trying to remember. There was no lawyer and he directly stated the FBI has the transcripts anyway so they can just check. Also, if they asked about "sanctions" it's reasonable he didn't think he did given he talked about response to the expulsion of the russians.
Lindsey and Barr won't do anything about it, they are deep swamp creatures.
Nothing to see here guys. Watch the protests!!
SQUIRREL!!
This "every city is rioting" false flag is working... Unreal bullshit.
Fake News lies. Most congress members lie or are ineffectual. Today is a day.
The Logan Act is a federal law that "criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States."
So it depends how you define negotiation and unauthorized in this context.
"And also, basically we have to take these, these enemies on, that we have. And we definitely have a common enemy. You have a problem with it, we have a problem with it in this country, and we definitely have a problem with it in the Middle East,” he said.
Gen Flynn was going to expose the common "invisible" enemy within. They had to take him down, he knows where all the bodies are buried.
Thus why Judge Sullivan is trying to stall Flynn from freedom... He is the key to most of this. I expect admiral Rogers to pop back into all of this soon.
Flynn pled guilty to ensnare the rats. Consider how you could prove in court, with actual evidence, the corruption of so many rats, and get an actual conviction. He knew he was the fall guy, but he did it anyway... for us.
He chose Trump (the chosen one).
It's good to know Ratcliffe is on the side of truth and justice.
May Ratliff be as much a thorn in their side as Grennell was. Will this help Flynn?
Ratcliffe for the WIN!
Flynn had every right to have this conversation. He was the incoming national security advisor.