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ShrikeDeCil 4 points ago +4 / -0

In 1900, a stock piece of the English high school curriculum was "Logic and Rhetoric". Taught by the likes of mathematician Lewis Carroll - yes, that Lewis Carroll. A full class of arguing "All, Some, None", and working through the entire list of "Logical Fallacies". A key piece being actively trying to figure out if clever wording is tricking you into a position.

Symbolic Logic was replaced with "Boolean Logic", which is a lot simpler mathematically, but that half shifted over to "STEM-side" ... and eventually to mostly to computer science - "STEM-side optional electives".

On the other side, the list of fallacies and the art of finding them, refuting them, etc. ended up in "Debate Club" ...

Common Core, developed with key involvement by everyone's second or third "most favorite" billionaire shifted the core essay type from "Analytical Report" to "Persuasive Essay". From ... reporting ... to ... modern journalism. You might say.

Ten years in: "Math and reading skills both dropped, experts puzzled." Well, that just confirms propping the effing math and reading skills wasn't a target of the "advanced psychological re-jiggering" of Common Core now was it?

The rise of the Snowflake noted in Gamergate - that's what we've got. Pure Emotional Thinkers with no underlying anything. "Raising awareness will fix my bridge!" and lots of "Reeee" or whatever.

Note that one could say there's an innate bias 'logic versus emotion' - and that gets "doubled down on" when similar biases statistically avoid the precise classes one should want people to at least muddle through. In both directions mind - and it isn't a strict gender thing. I haven't run across many computer scientists (male or female) that haul out any of the list other than "Ad Hominem" (Ars Technica explicitly had it as a posting criteria.)

Note that this is basically laying out that "Dispassionate Analysis" is a learned skill . And we have a lot of people that just haven't.

Sorry if I'm ranting, got on a roll, finishing the thoughts.

Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. --Thomas Paine

To argue with a person who has renounced reason is like administering medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine

Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone. --Ayn Rand

You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic. --Robert A. Heinlein Revolt in 2100 (1953)

You can’t reason with a Democrat because if you could they wouldn’t be a Democrat --Clint Eastwood

It is easy to hate, but it is difficult to love. --*Confucius *

I wrote this, and I think it distills all that into one short grokable quote:

Difficult to logic a person out of a position they were emoted into.

One hole is notable - "Hey, can they be emoted out?" A couple cliches (That happen to be cliches because, well, very indicative!)

A liberal is a conservative that was mugged.

If you're young and aren't a Liberal, you have no heart, if you're old and aren't a Conservative, you have no brain.

"Emotional Thinking" can find problems ok, it's the solutions that should be looked for elsewhere.

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ShrikeDeCil 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm just outside Seattle and use the liberal/conservative denotation/connotation/evolution discrepancies in the words as camouflage - so I hear you. Saying you're a radical progressive liberal fervently goes a long way to keeping the right people completely clueless. Insisting you can solve global warming technically and hauling out charts and "Let me explain!!!" has them running.

I did come up with a short "What do/should Conservatives ... conserve?" that at least frames my thinking on it. It should be Trust. This has the echos of 'conserve the status quo' - but ... at least aims for a target to stabilize around. Even Jacksonian-ism fits right on that spot:

"The whole point of Jacksonianism is 'You leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. You play fair with me and I'll play fair with you. But if you fuck with me, I'll kill you.' " --Steven Den Beste

Andrew Jackson being ... a portrait Trump put in his Office. We ... live in interesting times.

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ShrikeDeCil 2 points ago +2 / -0

162 votes in 2004 "With at least 3000 felonious ballots cast ... but I can't overturn the election". Everything that worked ... removed, all mail, 200,000 votes four years later. Nuff said. I would once have said WA is the home of the ornery cusses no where else would take, but hard to say just how much importing has shifted that core.

Third time a 'silly fluff book' like 1632 comes to mind - covers the Thirty Years War with Gustavus Adolphus and what might have been if a 2000 West Virginians mining town was dumped into the middle of Thuringia. And thus begins correlations/connections/history of entire Bill of Rights played out long-form.

How to stop the endless peasant revolts? Stop. Infringing. Is a simple place to start. Boggling to realize we were down to 1% of total manpower devoted to ... feeding ourselves.

Quoi custodes...

Keep saying the police bodycams shouldn't be optional - but the data should be going direct to Judicial Branch permanent archives of some sort. If the police need the record, they can file their report first as part of getting the video released to them. Train people back into the habit of telling the darn truth at least once a day. And the suspect can petition someone not directly involved.

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ShrikeDeCil 2 points ago +2 / -0

The Chinese have a pretty established method for ... pruning the bureaucracy back. I don't know enough history to say if they've managed to make it through any hundred year stretches without employing it.

My "perfect" body/car/helmet cams are basically sealed boxes from the cop's perspective - just a piece of the job they need to be taking with them. Don't latch it into its spot at the end of the shift, don't get paid. But the information isn't going to "their supervisor" or "down the hall". By going to a separate branch of government entirely, the random bad cop doesn't know the person on the other end. Still possible of course, just making a broader, more conclusive set of things they have to do to collude.

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leahcim 4 points ago +4 / -0

"We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day."

She's one of the infiltrators.

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Yucky 3 points ago +3 / -0

Most "conservative" commentators are extremely uninteresting, dull, boring, low IQ mouthpieces who only care about themselves or their globalist paymasters. Stop paying them any mind.

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BKav 3 points ago +3 / -0

Stands for small extra cup? Please just go away whore

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krzyzowiec 3 points ago +3 / -0

Fauxservative.

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672-EVIL 2 points ago +3 / -1

No, we need an iron fist and leadership.And more Planned Parenthoods in leftist and minority districts.

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ArmyLady 2 points ago +2 / -0

America is burning because coordinated action in multiple cities was organized complete with arson materials.

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PITPatriot 2 points ago +2 / -0

She is not a conservative - she's a liberal that play-acts as a conservative, because she couldn't get a job as a liberal talking head.

Watch older episodes of Real Time

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