Fuck, fam. I live downtown in a midsize city in Michigan. My downtown was destroyed last night. I’m so disheartened and sad and mad. I was up all night with my pistol and shotgun just waiting for some fuckers to try and break into my building. Kids were everywhere breaking shit, smashing windows, and setting shit on fire. It brought out all the chaos. It was so weird how many weirdos showed up in super loud shitty cars and motorcycles. It was like a scene from a fucking dystopian movie. The noise and chaos were disorienting. And the cops were so overwhelmed that they couldn’t come down my street to stop a shop being looted.
FUCK. It was the most disturbing experience of my life.
Update: Thousands if people showed up this morning to clean and scrub graffiti off buildings. It has been so heartening. Restaurants are giving out free food and people are everywhere cleaning up. There are terrible people, but a lot more really good people.
Use this. You aren't the only one who had that experience last night, and many others who did were probably Dem voters last week. Talk about your shared experience of fear in your own home and then remind others you talk to that it was left wing conspiracy theories, media narratives, policies, and politicians who made those riots happen.
can pedes direct me to information about how i van apply for a firearms license not just in my county but also in other states so i can legally bring my gun with me when i travel?
Sorry to hear that buddy.. if I could come help you protect your life and home I wouldn't hesitate.. stay armed and always be ready and have a plan for you and your family. I live in Tennessee and though it's not here locally I see it coming to my city and as you said, It's very disheartening. Stay safe buddy. Keep us updated
I don't think they will stop until every city bigger than a Podunk town is hit, unless serious action is taken. But that what they are wanting. They are wanting shots to get fired at "peaceful protesters".
I live in a small town of about 10K people and I’d be surprised if we avoid Democrat terrorism this year. Even here we have enough radical Democrats to cause problems.
Wife and I slept with the windows open last night so we could hear any stupidity starting in our area. Surprisingly no sirens or fireworks.
Happy to say our SE suburb has been very quiet, so far.
Joking aside get armed. But learn how to handle and safely store firearms if you have never bought one before.
I hope it doesn't happen but the time is coming Americans will have to physically defend their freedoms from communism. What has been highlighted over this week is the socialist infection runs deep in America atm.
Obviously not just this week, but this week specifically is fresh in the minds and an easy way to show people why 2A is so important. Obviously there's a billion other reasons to start getting armed, but if there's a time to wake up fence sitters, this is a perfectly reasonable example to show why it's necessary
Dude, I'm pro 2A completely, but I've never been a gun nut. I own a pistol and a shotgun, but have never thought the need for anything bigger was realistic in my circumstances.
The last three days have completely changed that.
I never though I would see the mayors of cities and worse, GOVERNORS OF STATES doing NOTHING while rampaging insurrectionists took over police precincts and burned them to the ground. Never thought I would see National Guard soldiers brought in to do ABSOLUTELY ZERO while people looted, burned, and tried to kill all around them.
Police officers and soldiers WANT to serve and protect, but politicians and laws and kook left wing conspiracy theories have made that impossible. We really are on our own out there.
Remember, the police's job is to uphold the law, not protect you. Protecting people comes second to the law. (There was a cop on a radio show speaking on the subject, I can't find it right now)
I understand what you mean, but I would say their job is to protect me by upholding the law. The way the civil society supposedly works is that we all kind of agree not to take matters into our own hands as a first response, and to encourage civility by relying on law enforcement officers and the courts. But when the police that we pay for are ordered to abandon ship, stand down, and "give space" to people who are actively trying to kill us and destroy our lives, then that civilized system can't work.
But when the police that we pay for are ordered to abandon ship, stand down, and "give space" to people who are actively trying to kill us and destroy our lives, then that civilized system can't work.
Bingo. We are in societal freefall unless Trump can stop it. The police are meant to keep the peace and uphold the law. Without the police there is complete anarchy.
The cops who fled Minneapolis and Furgeson should be ashamed. Letting their last stronghold get torched is letting the rioters win. Nothing raises morale of tbe enemy like overtaking a symbolic icon and powdering it. This just made them more cocky and aided in the rapid spread and radicalization (other than BLM/soros/ANTIFA/Illhan Omar/etc)
You have to establish the precedent: civil discussion of anything is on the table, but when the violence starts, the conversation is over. When the looting starts...
You're right. If they want to talk, fine. Let's talk. But you need to be civil and actually bring facts to the table. The minute they start getting violent and disrupting everyone's lives, you arrest them.
I had a kid on FB yesterday arguing with me for simply saying that violence and riots are unproductive, destroying their communities, and does nothing to honor Floyd or address what happened to him. After going back and forth, he ultimately landed on "this is war, and this is what war looks like." Rather than continuing to debate him or point out his complete lack of logic (that started with "they're peaceful protests," and gradually devolved into that), I just said "fine, then declare war and pick your side." Point is, he showed his true colors, and showed this isn't about Floyd or "injustices," or whatever narrative they want to push anymore. The "resistance/revolutionary," larpers are horny with the current situation and they're gonna learn real fast if they want to continue to play out the fantasy these basement-dwelling incels have been jerking off to for 4 years
Same here. I've always been pro 2A, but have only had a 9mm for myself for years and felt that adequate. My fiancee and I were talking last night and decided we're going tomorrow to get her a 9mm EDC, and picking up an AR or similar semi auto rifle for myself. Sucks because I'm a bit financially strapped right now, but also have enough savings and I've never felt it more necessary for the two of us to have adequate self-defense
$801 + any state fees for a solid setup thats probably nicer than a lot of folks' and more importantly, is sized with carry in mind. Don't want you to buy something and end up never carrying because its too big, bulky, etc.
Palmetto State Armory has a good deal on a Springfield XD with two barrels, one threaded, for $470. Smokin' deal. This is a Czech handgun, but very, very good.
IWI's new Masada is excellent and under $400. Israeli.
Beretta's APX is WAY under-rated and can be had for under $400. Italian.
CZ P07 also very good, but also P09 and P10. P10 just might be the best of the bunch, but that depends upon how you roll, handgun-wise. Czech.
My suggestion is don't get the Shield, spend a little more and get the double-stack M&P 2.0 (vs. the single stack Shield); I find it much better. The M&P 2.0 is extremely versatile, it has adjustable hand-grips that can fit from very small to very large hands, holds many more rounds, and can take extended magazines (far better for possible riot conditions). It also shoots better; I find the Shield is weirdly snappy whereas the 2.0 is very controllable. You can often find a M&P 2.0 on gunbroker for the same prices as a Shield: https://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Pistols/search?Keywords=M%26P%202.0%20-shield%20-sheild&PageSize=24&Sort=4&View=1&PageIndex=2&BuyNowOnly=1
(scroll past the ones with stars in the corner, those are promoted ads, until you get to the lowest prices)
I have purchased many items on Gunbroker. Auctions are either individuals or gun stores/suppliers selling on the platform. Win the auction, pay with their preferred method, identify your FFL to them, and the seller will then send your firearm to your FFL. When the firearm shows up at your FFL's location, go to your FFL and do your paperwork (form 4473), pay the FFL the transfer fee, and the firearm is yours. Remember (like EBay) to write a good review of your seller, and ask for feedback for you (some sellers will not sell to someone who has zero feedback).
And if you do not live in a Free State, all or most of that above is in doubt and you'll have to check all of it before purchasing. ALSO, if you live in a State with special regulations on specific sorts of firearms (e.g. AR15), you will need to know these regulations before purchasing.
Thanks for the response. So if i’ve never shopped with my local store can I still buy online and then just do the paperwork there? I’ll definitely be calling around to see if they have the gun in stock locally before I buy online.
It’s like Amazon for Guns. You can shop new or used, and bid vía auctions or filter to “buy it now” listings. Most listings are from professional dealers aka FFLs (often the same dealer down the street, they list online too). Your purchase is shipped to a transfer dealer that you select (they have a list), who is a professional FFL dealer near you, you go there and your transfer dealer conducts the background check before transferring it to you.
grabagun, classic, sgammo, all of the on-line retailers have a week to ten day to Shipping time before the current events. Then you have to have an FFL that is accepting transfers of the serialized items.
Good luck. You may have to drive out to a rural area to get any selection.
Outdoorlimited allows you to pay an extra $10 and you get to cut the line. I ordered a shit load of Tula a month ago, paid the 10, and my order shipped next day.
S&W M&P, any flavor. (best bang/buck for 9MM pistol)
Can confirm. I got one a couple of years ago at a local gun show; paid $300. I was pleasantly surprised at how accurate it is. No hesitation in recommending it.
Thanks man. I went to my local place and maybe I paid more than if I went online but they are setting me up with beginner classes and they have a range right there in house.
Sure, but ya gotta get lots of ammo too, extra mags, good holster, cleaning kit, etc. if you're a first time purchaser. You can spend $100 on Critical Defense(tm) alone and still not have that much. I could see dropping a grand to get started with a quality firearm and accessories.
Found a source video. If you can, pick up an AR for home defense.
5.56/.223 exhibits less over-penetration than 9mm. Another advantage of having a rifle is that it is easier to control due to having at least 2 points of contact on the weapon; compared to 1 point of contact with a pistol. It is also an easier platform to add a weapon light and a red dot or holographic sight. Plus, since it is a long gun, you should be able to walk out of your local gun store with it the same day.
If you need any help, shoot me a pm and I'll see what I can find for you.
I initially went out to get a 9mm, but ended up getting an 223 AR (technically a "pistol") with a red-dot sight, 2 extra mags, and 4 boxes of ammo because it's what was both in stock and had ammo available. I'm actually happier with my purchase than a pistol since I have little practice, and found ARs to be nicer in general.
Local gun stores are nearly sold out of nearly everything.
Awesome, and thanks for the advice! I'll definitely practice both, and probably look up some videos on gun-safety too. I ordered 400 more rounds online, and will see if I can make it out to a range as well soon.
I went to Fleet Farm the other day to get some 9mm ammo and they were all out. 40 cal. was on sale though. So I loaded up on that instead. Check out what ammo is more readily available and consider that when choosing your weapon.
If you aren't doing it already, I recommend reloading. At my pistol range, there is always tons of 9mm brass laying all over the ground, free for the taking. I always pick up a pocketful, take it home, clean it, deprime it and set it aside for loading later.
That's happening today for me! I live in Indianapolis (thankfully not downtown) where there was terrible violence last night. People shot dead, fires all over the place, property destroyed... The downtown area is ruined. If it spreads out from there I will be more than ready to defend my property. I live very close to a mall that apparently had a small riot yesterday.
After seeing some of these business owners having to face angry mobs, and even seeing video of one guy being viciously beaten possibly to death, gun rights seem far more urgent than before.
Hey, if you own your own business and you want to keep a damn "assault weapon" in the back for situations like this, then I am totally for it. We see that the police sure as hell aren't going to be able to protect you in a riot.
I worry that adrenaline or bloodlust would cause me in the heat of the moment to straight up murder someone who was backing down or already incapacitated.
I seriously question whether I have the temperament or discipline to be armed. I have a hard time controlling my anger. Would having a gun make me more likely to escalate the situation?
I don't really know how to answer these questions, but until I do, I think the worst thing I could do would be to buy a gun.
Wrong advice. Or do you and your fam want to face a raging mob unarmed? Serioysly? Like wtf? Kill or die, it is really that simple. Or do you think the mob will call 911 in you and a cop will show up at your doorstep? LOL.
I have seen "attitude" changes in people that train up and start carrying. The awesome responsibility weighs in the back of your mind and tends to temper ones anger. Realizing the wrong move can end the way you are living, possibly deprive you of your freedom makes you think a little.
I believe that Hawaiian violent crime is pretty limited. If you feel like you need to exercise your 2A Rights then you should, however.
Condo living is in close quarters. Any semi-automatic 9mm pistol loaded with hollow points (which are designed to limit over penetration) is appropriate for close quarters, always be mindful of the backdrop of a situation: if rounds go through walls and injure or cause harm to your neighbors, you may/will be responsible for that. Research and know your local laws (I’m aware that Hawaiian laws depend on locality and island) and know what you can and cannot do before you take on the responsibility of firearms ownership.
I doubt it. My live in GF and I are the same way. We are always doing something silly or being a couple goons at home. I just joked about how the neighbors probably hear us being a couple of idiots all the time.
That said, I do have serious mode. Ive been mistaken for a cop by several people in town, both in person and on social media. Veteran employees of mine were surprised to find out I myself am not a veteran. For whatever reason most of my friends are veterans of some branch.
I forgot to add, we already started seeing it Saturday and expect additional interest today. We're gonna have to steer them to 380, .40, 45 since we have a lot of that caliber ammunition in stock.
Had several "never shot a gun" types show up to the range too.
If anything good can come out of this shitshow, I see a massive redpilling. My mother is a political moderate, but totally hated guns. She basically thought they were for insecure wannabe macho assholes who like to dress up in camo and play GI Joe in the woods after having a few beers. We never really argued about it because I won't answer to anyone or be lectured on why I used to own guns - lost them all in a tragic yak herding incident.
But now she is really starting to see the value of being armed. Bonus points is my folks live in a famously cucked area of the country. So of course "protesters" are trashing businesses, setting cop cars on fire, blocking major highways, attacking people in cars, etc. I really wish to hell my folks would consider at least getting a shottie and pistol and learning how to use it. Maybe now they will.
I live in New Jersey (pls help) and I’ve been meaning to get a firearm for some time but the immense difficulty has always prevented me from doing so. I’m not exactly sure how or where to even begin. Anyone out there willing to give some advice?
I live in Pennsylvania sort of close to Jersey. PA gun shops (I believe) will sell to out of state residents so long as what you buy is in compliance with NJ gun laws. You won't be able to get an AR15 with 30 round magazine - Jersey has mag size limits. But you might be able to get a basic pump shotgun for home defense. Gun stores are considered essential businesses and are open.
The police are actually protecting the rioters from people who want to protect lives and property. Technically, the rioters/protesters are right that we don't need cops, but but then you have ordinary citizens who are empowered to actually handle criminals themselves. These are the kinds of people who shoplift, while store-employees and security can't do hardly anything without being liable for hurting the criminals. During riots, you have owners and their friends with baseball-bats and guns ready to shoot trespassers. Take away those protections, and they'll be wishing the police came back.
Im good - just picked up a .45 Colt lever action and a SKS for my collection.
I dont own anything with a higher capacity than 10+1 though. AR 15 is probably next, but my EDC only holds 8 so Im also considering a handgun with 15+1 or better capacity.
That said, the .45 LC packs a hella punch, my shotgun is semi auto, and the SKS is, well, a SKS.
I moved to a small rural town a few years ago. A lot of the young people in town are cucktastic fucks but we are heavily armed.
I keep my blue porch light on 24/7 and these times are no different. I live on a dead end road...could be literally if they wanna fuck around and find out.
In all seriousness, if any unrest made it this far out we are in full SHTF mode.
Shit what I saw on Thursday night was enough to make me go out and get a bunch of ammo and a new handgun. After this weekend, I’m no longer confident I got enough.
If I were an insane leftist conspiracy theorist, I might add "Big Gun started the riots as a plot to increase gun sales!" to my list of stupid theories about what's going on.
I'm interested in buying a gun, but have limited experience. The favorite one I've shot so far was a Kris Vector SMG, with it's recoil-compensation. Is this a good buy? Should I get the 9mm or 45 ACP? Or should I be looking at other guns? I'd imagine I'll eventually use it for target-practice once I get some land.
I really have been thinking about the Vector for a long time. It fills a nice gap between a pistol and AR15, plus it takes standard Glock mags. 9mm or 45? I thought Kriss had a quick change lower where you could swap between calibers.
I had in mind to get a Vector and a hard case for it and have it under a car seat. Or even for the Mrs for something easy to handle but not a popgun.
Training? Any training is good. I have always wanted to go to Tactical Response in TN for the Fighting Pistol course. But a lot of places have basic CCW training courses you can take.
For right now, basic home defense, a 12 gage pump shotgun like Remington 870 or Mossberg 500. Police have been using them for decades. Plus it's easy to accessorize and reliable.
You will not be able to buy a vector right now. It’s an awesome gun, but it’s also like $1600 and they are completely sold out (you might be able to buy used). I was in the market for one a couple weeks ago and I have several people trying to find one for me. No luck.
Training yes - basic gun safety and shooting skills.
What weapon you get depends on what you want to do. Every day carry for small one on one defense? Something small and comfortable to holster like a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield in .40 or 9mm. I dont recommend the .380 (might be a Glock I tried but if the M&P version exists I guarantee it kicks hard too) because its so small it kicks harder than the 9mm does.
Home defense? A 12 gauge shotgun is perfect for the job. Dont get a super long hunting one unless you have an open floor plan. I have a semi auto shotgun, but the barrel is longer than my SKS and .45 Lever Action. With a narrow hallway and generally small rooms in my house its not easy to wield. Id honestly probably grab the Lever Action first as its the shortest rifle but packs a hell of a punch.
Buckshot is what you want for 100% stopping a home intruder. Birdshot is what Cheney got blasted in the face with and walked away. Dave Chappelle did a funny ass bit on birdshot vs buckshot but it does accurately explain the difference.
Go down there with an AR-15 and just start shooting rando people, getting in the way of the cops and Nat. Guard?
Defend your home, family, and property if it comes to that, otherwise stay the fuck out of the way, because no one knows who the hell you are, and they dont need a hyped-up person with a hero complex making things worse.
Well our enemy the ANTIFA are not staying at home.
Well no one needs you with only some training to use a gun to try to play paramilitary.
People in videos with gun in these riots are using them to deter people from fucking with their shit, not roaming around looking for a fight.
People like to talk about "rooftop Koreans" need to remember they didn't go looking for the LA riots. They acted when it got to them, and weren't shooting at random people walking around because they "may" be the "right" target.
Bruh. People becomes heroes because they’re able to put themselves on the line to do what’s right. Not everyone can ‘muster the courage’ to do something like that. If it was easy, everyone would do it, and I’m just not that quality of person.
That’s why I and many other say, for example, ‘thank you for your service’ when we meet veterans. They did what we couldn’t.
You know it's true what you're saying, but honestly, civilized people shouldn't be entirely comfortable with picking up a weapon and shooting someone. That's a terrible position to be in. Most of us, even those who've served in the military (unless they were in combat), would have trouble pulling the trigger, literally and figuratively. And that's probably a healthy reservation. But you can't pull the trigger when it's really necessary if you aren't armed in the first place, right?
Fuck, fam. I live downtown in a midsize city in Michigan. My downtown was destroyed last night. I’m so disheartened and sad and mad. I was up all night with my pistol and shotgun just waiting for some fuckers to try and break into my building. Kids were everywhere breaking shit, smashing windows, and setting shit on fire. It brought out all the chaos. It was so weird how many weirdos showed up in super loud shitty cars and motorcycles. It was like a scene from a fucking dystopian movie. The noise and chaos were disorienting. And the cops were so overwhelmed that they couldn’t come down my street to stop a shop being looted.
FUCK. It was the most disturbing experience of my life.
Update: Thousands if people showed up this morning to clean and scrub graffiti off buildings. It has been so heartening. Restaurants are giving out free food and people are everywhere cleaning up. There are terrible people, but a lot more really good people.
Use this. You aren't the only one who had that experience last night, and many others who did were probably Dem voters last week. Talk about your shared experience of fear in your own home and then remind others you talk to that it was left wing conspiracy theories, media narratives, policies, and politicians who made those riots happen.
can pedes direct me to information about how i van apply for a firearms license not just in my county but also in other states so i can legally bring my gun with me when i travel?
Many states automatically honor your state's permits, check here: https://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Your local gun store should have answers to all your questions.
License is only needed for pistols (as far a free states go). Apply for a permit at your local police station.
i live in a communist state. but I also want to be able to have a permit sorry if I bring a gun with me when traveling to other more free states..
My advice, dont take advice from internet boards.
Research your local laws and any laws of the cities and states you plan to pass through.
In Nebraska, for example, you can carry a pistol but if in Omaha, that pistol must be registered.
proof
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/brandon-judd-dem-attacks-on-ice-inspire-violence-by-domestic-terrorists
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2019/07/17/aoc-silent-after-antifa-terrorist-echoes-her-concentration-camps-rhetoric-on-ice-centers-n67356
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/15/democrats-fuel-attacks-police-ice-incendiary-polit/
Sorry to hear that buddy.. if I could come help you protect your life and home I wouldn't hesitate.. stay armed and always be ready and have a plan for you and your family. I live in Tennessee and though it's not here locally I see it coming to my city and as you said, It's very disheartening. Stay safe buddy. Keep us updated
I don't think they will stop until every city bigger than a Podunk town is hit, unless serious action is taken. But that what they are wanting. They are wanting shots to get fired at "peaceful protesters".
The problem is those cuck mayors are allowing it to happen.
Instead of allowing people to burn down “symbols” they should have been enforcing the law.
I live in a small town of about 10K people and I’d be surprised if we avoid Democrat terrorism this year. Even here we have enough radical Democrats to cause problems.
At the very least, make a mental plan as to how you will handle it.
I'm so sorry 😭 if they keep doing this every night we are going to have to group up and protect each other
I’m thinking of putting a flyer in my building elevator calling for other armed residents so we can protect our building. God damn, I’m still on edge.
It's sad but this is what it has come to. We can't just let them do this
Good idea. It's either you or them.
Should be doing that regardless. The Democrats have worse planned.
I feel for you fellow Mi pede.
Wife and I slept with the windows open last night so we could hear any stupidity starting in our area. Surprisingly no sirens or fireworks. Happy to say our SE suburb has been very quiet, so far.
Thank you ‘pede.
Joking aside get armed. But learn how to handle and safely store firearms if you have never bought one before.
I hope it doesn't happen but the time is coming Americans will have to physically defend their freedoms from communism. What has been highlighted over this week is the socialist infection runs deep in America atm.
Get a Glock 17 or a 19x.
Just this week?
Obviously not just this week, but this week specifically is fresh in the minds and an easy way to show people why 2A is so important. Obviously there's a billion other reasons to start getting armed, but if there's a time to wake up fence sitters, this is a perfectly reasonable example to show why it's necessary
It's not just socialism, it is also poc. Most in DC were black. We can no longer coexist with them. The time to be of has passed.
Dude, I'm pro 2A completely, but I've never been a gun nut. I own a pistol and a shotgun, but have never thought the need for anything bigger was realistic in my circumstances.
The last three days have completely changed that.
I never though I would see the mayors of cities and worse, GOVERNORS OF STATES doing NOTHING while rampaging insurrectionists took over police precincts and burned them to the ground. Never thought I would see National Guard soldiers brought in to do ABSOLUTELY ZERO while people looted, burned, and tried to kill all around them.
Police officers and soldiers WANT to serve and protect, but politicians and laws and kook left wing conspiracy theories have made that impossible. We really are on our own out there.
Remember, the police's job is to uphold the law, not protect you. Protecting people comes second to the law. (There was a cop on a radio show speaking on the subject, I can't find it right now)
Point is, their job IS NOT to protect you.
I understand what you mean, but I would say their job is to protect me by upholding the law. The way the civil society supposedly works is that we all kind of agree not to take matters into our own hands as a first response, and to encourage civility by relying on law enforcement officers and the courts. But when the police that we pay for are ordered to abandon ship, stand down, and "give space" to people who are actively trying to kill us and destroy our lives, then that civilized system can't work.
Found Something. (https://www.barneslawllp.com/blog/police-not-required-protect)
Agreed.
Bingo. We are in societal freefall unless Trump can stop it. The police are meant to keep the peace and uphold the law. Without the police there is complete anarchy.
The cops who fled Minneapolis and Furgeson should be ashamed. Letting their last stronghold get torched is letting the rioters win. Nothing raises morale of tbe enemy like overtaking a symbolic icon and powdering it. This just made them more cocky and aided in the rapid spread and radicalization (other than BLM/soros/ANTIFA/Illhan Omar/etc)
You have to establish the precedent: civil discussion of anything is on the table, but when the violence starts, the conversation is over. When the looting starts...
You're right. If they want to talk, fine. Let's talk. But you need to be civil and actually bring facts to the table. The minute they start getting violent and disrupting everyone's lives, you arrest them.
I had a kid on FB yesterday arguing with me for simply saying that violence and riots are unproductive, destroying their communities, and does nothing to honor Floyd or address what happened to him. After going back and forth, he ultimately landed on "this is war, and this is what war looks like." Rather than continuing to debate him or point out his complete lack of logic (that started with "they're peaceful protests," and gradually devolved into that), I just said "fine, then declare war and pick your side." Point is, he showed his true colors, and showed this isn't about Floyd or "injustices," or whatever narrative they want to push anymore. The "resistance/revolutionary," larpers are horny with the current situation and they're gonna learn real fast if they want to continue to play out the fantasy these basement-dwelling incels have been jerking off to for 4 years
So protecting an innocent from being killed isn't upholding the law? LOL. That's just dumb and implies killing people is legal.
Hell, the cuck gov. of MN's own daughter was tweeting out advice to AntiFag brownshirts about the national guard not being in place for days
Same here. I've always been pro 2A, but have only had a 9mm for myself for years and felt that adequate. My fiancee and I were talking last night and decided we're going tomorrow to get her a 9mm EDC, and picking up an AR or similar semi auto rifle for myself. Sucks because I'm a bit financially strapped right now, but also have enough savings and I've never felt it more necessary for the two of us to have adequate self-defense
I will be buying a 9MM in 3 hours.
About to spend about $1k, by far the most I've ever spent on one purchase outside of my jeep. Thats also half my savings. But definitely worth it.
Bro, not to dissuade you from what you wanna get but I know of at least 5 really good 9mms under $500....
Gun, mags, accessories, lockbox, as much ammo as I can purchase, travel case, etc
$1k.
But by all means share your knowledge for me and anyone reading.
We're at $900 max. Go get em! Can even get a quality holster within that budget.
EDIT:
https://grabagun.com/firearms/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/smith-and-wesson-m-p9-shield-2-0-pistol-and-range-kit-9mm-3-1-barrel-8-rounds.html $349
https://grabagun.com/magazines/handgun-magazines/smith-and-wesson-and-wesson-60.html $32
https://www.sgammo.com/product/cci-ammo-sale/1000-round-case-9mm-luger-cci-blazer-115-grain-fmj-aluminum-case-ammo-3509-lim $250 shipped
https://www.harborfreight.com/2800-weatherproof-protective-case-medium-63926.html $30
https://www.amazon.com/Vaultek-Essential-Handgun-Rechargeable-Lithium-ion/dp/B07F2NJM92?ref_=s9_apbd_omwf_hd_bw_bHcpp&pf_rd_r=P8B30MTQ5SEBC5JJQ7Q9&pf_rd_p=7d5b17a8-186b-5826-a946-bfe1c8e0d5ca&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_t=BROWSE&pf_rd_i=4200861 $140
$801 + any state fees for a solid setup thats probably nicer than a lot of folks' and more importantly, is sized with carry in mind. Don't want you to buy something and end up never carrying because its too big, bulky, etc.
S&W M&P a good choice and also Murican.
Palmetto State Armory has a good deal on a Springfield XD with two barrels, one threaded, for $470. Smokin' deal. This is a Czech handgun, but very, very good.
IWI's new Masada is excellent and under $400. Israeli.
Beretta's APX is WAY under-rated and can be had for under $400. Italian.
CZ P07 also very good, but also P09 and P10. P10 just might be the best of the bunch, but that depends upon how you roll, handgun-wise. Czech.
Molon Labe.
Ah very good, and apologies. You are correct. Croatian.
I do not own an XD. But I think that's going to change very soon, especially with that new trigger.
My suggestion is don't get the Shield, spend a little more and get the double-stack M&P 2.0 (vs. the single stack Shield); I find it much better. The M&P 2.0 is extremely versatile, it has adjustable hand-grips that can fit from very small to very large hands, holds many more rounds, and can take extended magazines (far better for possible riot conditions). It also shoots better; I find the Shield is weirdly snappy whereas the 2.0 is very controllable. You can often find a M&P 2.0 on gunbroker for the same prices as a Shield: https://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Pistols/search?Keywords=M%26P%202.0%20-shield%20-sheild&PageSize=24&Sort=4&View=1&PageIndex=2&BuyNowOnly=1 (scroll past the ones with stars in the corner, those are promoted ads, until you get to the lowest prices)
How does buying from gunbroker work and are guns in good condition?
I have purchased many items on Gunbroker. Auctions are either individuals or gun stores/suppliers selling on the platform. Win the auction, pay with their preferred method, identify your FFL to them, and the seller will then send your firearm to your FFL. When the firearm shows up at your FFL's location, go to your FFL and do your paperwork (form 4473), pay the FFL the transfer fee, and the firearm is yours. Remember (like EBay) to write a good review of your seller, and ask for feedback for you (some sellers will not sell to someone who has zero feedback).
And if you do not live in a Free State, all or most of that above is in doubt and you'll have to check all of it before purchasing. ALSO, if you live in a State with special regulations on specific sorts of firearms (e.g. AR15), you will need to know these regulations before purchasing.
Thanks for the response. So if i’ve never shopped with my local store can I still buy online and then just do the paperwork there? I’ll definitely be calling around to see if they have the gun in stock locally before I buy online.
It’s like Amazon for Guns. You can shop new or used, and bid vía auctions or filter to “buy it now” listings. Most listings are from professional dealers aka FFLs (often the same dealer down the street, they list online too). Your purchase is shipped to a transfer dealer that you select (they have a list), who is a professional FFL dealer near you, you go there and your transfer dealer conducts the background check before transferring it to you.
grabagun, classic, sgammo, all of the on-line retailers have a week to ten day to Shipping time before the current events. Then you have to have an FFL that is accepting transfers of the serialized items.
Good luck. You may have to drive out to a rural area to get any selection.
Outdoorlimited allows you to pay an extra $10 and you get to cut the line. I ordered a shit load of Tula a month ago, paid the 10, and my order shipped next day.
ngl, grabagun is a cool name for a website and business.
Can confirm. I got one a couple of years ago at a local gun show; paid $300. I was pleasantly surprised at how accurate it is. No hesitation in recommending it.
Got it, makes sense... I take for granted all that stuff I've accumulated... best of luck to ya!
What gun are you getting
just got a glock 19.
Good choice
Thanks man. I went to my local place and maybe I paid more than if I went online but they are setting me up with beginner classes and they have a range right there in house.
Very, very happy.
Sure, but ya gotta get lots of ammo too, extra mags, good holster, cleaning kit, etc. if you're a first time purchaser. You can spend $100 on Critical Defense(tm) alone and still not have that much. I could see dropping a grand to get started with a quality firearm and accessories.
Found a source video. If you can, pick up an AR for home defense.
5.56/.223 exhibits less over-penetration than 9mm. Another advantage of having a rifle is that it is easier to control due to having at least 2 points of contact on the weapon; compared to 1 point of contact with a pistol. It is also an easier platform to add a weapon light and a red dot or holographic sight. Plus, since it is a long gun, you should be able to walk out of your local gun store with it the same day.
If you need any help, shoot me a pm and I'll see what I can find for you.
Good luck, and God bless.
Edit:
Check out John Lovell discussing this topic.
I initially went out to get a 9mm, but ended up getting an 223 AR (technically a "pistol") with a red-dot sight, 2 extra mags, and 4 boxes of ammo because it's what was both in stock and had ammo available. I'm actually happier with my purchase than a pistol since I have little practice, and found ARs to be nicer in general.
Local gun stores are nearly sold out of nearly everything.
Great job!
Now, practice by dry firing (MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO LIVE AMMUNITION ANYWHERE NEARBY) and reloading.
Congratulations on your new purchase.
Stay safe, and God bless.
Awesome, and thanks for the advice! I'll definitely practice both, and probably look up some videos on gun-safety too. I ordered 400 more rounds online, and will see if I can make it out to a range as well soon.
I went to Fleet Farm the other day to get some 9mm ammo and they were all out. 40 cal. was on sale though. So I loaded up on that instead. Check out what ammo is more readily available and consider that when choosing your weapon.
I got a glock 19 today. I was rationed 2 boxes of 9mm...but he said I could just come back tomorrow and get 2 more lol
...but then he gave me 3.
Very nice.
better camp out because everything will be sold out
If you aren't doing it already, I recommend reloading. At my pistol range, there is always tons of 9mm brass laying all over the ground, free for the taking. I always pick up a pocketful, take it home, clean it, deprime it and set it aside for loading later.
I do the same. I have enough range brass to last a lifetime.
We are already short on inventory. The place that I work was down to 7 50-rd boxes of 9mm Saturday.
I tried to pick up some 556 yesterday. Gone. Went to another store and found a few boxes tho. Luckily.
That's happening today for me! I live in Indianapolis (thankfully not downtown) where there was terrible violence last night. People shot dead, fires all over the place, property destroyed... The downtown area is ruined. If it spreads out from there I will be more than ready to defend my property. I live very close to a mall that apparently had a small riot yesterday.
After seeing some of these business owners having to face angry mobs, and even seeing video of one guy being viciously beaten possibly to death, gun rights seem far more urgent than before.
Hey, if you own your own business and you want to keep a damn "assault weapon" in the back for situations like this, then I am totally for it. We see that the police sure as hell aren't going to be able to protect you in a riot.
My grandfather and I have plans to go.
Betcha he knows a thing or two about defending oneself from communist revolutionaries.
Capitalism at it's finest :)
This is a tough issue for me.
I worry that adrenaline or bloodlust would cause me in the heat of the moment to straight up murder someone who was backing down or already incapacitated.
I seriously question whether I have the temperament or discipline to be armed. I have a hard time controlling my anger. Would having a gun make me more likely to escalate the situation?
I don't really know how to answer these questions, but until I do, I think the worst thing I could do would be to buy a gun.
You are correct in your self awareness. Firearms and lethal force are responsibilities that nobody should take lightly.
Wrong advice. Or do you and your fam want to face a raging mob unarmed? Serioysly? Like wtf? Kill or die, it is really that simple. Or do you think the mob will call 911 in you and a cop will show up at your doorstep? LOL.
I have seen "attitude" changes in people that train up and start carrying. The awesome responsibility weighs in the back of your mind and tends to temper ones anger. Realizing the wrong move can end the way you are living, possibly deprive you of your freedom makes you think a little.
You need to dual wield flails.
My wife is somewhat anti-gun unfortunately. But over the weekend she confessed “Thank God we own guns.”
Yep. I plan on buying my first one after this.
Hell yeah. Even my lib friend talked to me about the whole process.
He wants to defend his life and property? Is he a fascist?
Ikr
I believe that Hawaiian violent crime is pretty limited. If you feel like you need to exercise your 2A Rights then you should, however.
Condo living is in close quarters. Any semi-automatic 9mm pistol loaded with hollow points (which are designed to limit over penetration) is appropriate for close quarters, always be mindful of the backdrop of a situation: if rounds go through walls and injure or cause harm to your neighbors, you may/will be responsible for that. Research and know your local laws (I’m aware that Hawaiian laws depend on locality and island) and know what you can and cannot do before you take on the responsibility of firearms ownership.
You're in Hawaii. Enjoy life
Hawaii Judge rules that enjoyment in Hawaii is illegal.
I’m getting ready to drop serious cash on a JP PSC-17 to compete with in PCC. too bad they have an 8 week turn around time. Ghey.
Upvoted because I havent seen anyone use 'ghey' in about 10 years.
I’m half way through my 30s but have the maturity of a 17 yo. Its funny.
LMAO Well Im past that and I say I havent changed since about 2001.
I have, but the shit I find funny is still humor from that age range.
Personally I hope it never goes away. My wife and I have a great time being silly adults.
I doubt it. My live in GF and I are the same way. We are always doing something silly or being a couple goons at home. I just joked about how the neighbors probably hear us being a couple of idiots all the time.
That said, I do have serious mode. Ive been mistaken for a cop by several people in town, both in person and on social media. Veteran employees of mine were surprised to find out I myself am not a veteran. For whatever reason most of my friends are veterans of some branch.
It's times like these when Florida's castle doctrine really proves useful.
Instead of going straight to the NICS check they need to be checking out these people's voters registration. Democrat? No gun for you.
I forgot to add, we already started seeing it Saturday and expect additional interest today. We're gonna have to steer them to 380, .40, 45 since we have a lot of that caliber ammunition in stock.
Had several "never shot a gun" types show up to the range too.
If anything good can come out of this shitshow, I see a massive redpilling. My mother is a political moderate, but totally hated guns. She basically thought they were for insecure wannabe macho assholes who like to dress up in camo and play GI Joe in the woods after having a few beers. We never really argued about it because I won't answer to anyone or be lectured on why I used to own guns - lost them all in a tragic yak herding incident.
But now she is really starting to see the value of being armed. Bonus points is my folks live in a famously cucked area of the country. So of course "protesters" are trashing businesses, setting cop cars on fire, blocking major highways, attacking people in cars, etc. I really wish to hell my folks would consider at least getting a shottie and pistol and learning how to use it. Maybe now they will.
I live in New Jersey (pls help) and I’ve been meaning to get a firearm for some time but the immense difficulty has always prevented me from doing so. I’m not exactly sure how or where to even begin. Anyone out there willing to give some advice?
I live in Pennsylvania sort of close to Jersey. PA gun shops (I believe) will sell to out of state residents so long as what you buy is in compliance with NJ gun laws. You won't be able to get an AR15 with 30 round magazine - Jersey has mag size limits. But you might be able to get a basic pump shotgun for home defense. Gun stores are considered essential businesses and are open.
Try here.. https://freedomarmory.com/
Will do thanks!
Yea if the rioters got their way and had "no more cops" then I'm going to have a trigger for every finger.
The police are actually protecting the rioters from people who want to protect lives and property. Technically, the rioters/protesters are right that we don't need cops, but but then you have ordinary citizens who are empowered to actually handle criminals themselves. These are the kinds of people who shoplift, while store-employees and security can't do hardly anything without being liable for hurting the criminals. During riots, you have owners and their friends with baseball-bats and guns ready to shoot trespassers. Take away those protections, and they'll be wishing the police came back.
Not a single shotgun or rifle in stock at my local store
I'm new to the gun world. Don't own one. Want something NOW! Where do I even start?
Start with a 9mm pistol. Take a handgun safety class.
I'm almost tempted to buy another shotgun.
Cept most are closed mondays
Im good - just picked up a .45 Colt lever action and a SKS for my collection.
I dont own anything with a higher capacity than 10+1 though. AR 15 is probably next, but my EDC only holds 8 so Im also considering a handgun with 15+1 or better capacity.
That said, the .45 LC packs a hella punch, my shotgun is semi auto, and the SKS is, well, a SKS.
I moved to a small rural town a few years ago. A lot of the young people in town are cucktastic fucks but we are heavily armed.
I keep my blue porch light on 24/7 and these times are no different. I live on a dead end road...could be literally if they wanna fuck around and find out.
In all seriousness, if any unrest made it this far out we are in full SHTF mode.
When in doubt, shoot. Get rid of the bodies, remove bullets, burn them. Get rid of tracks. Be a hunter, not the hunted.
Shit what I saw on Thursday night was enough to make me go out and get a bunch of ammo and a new handgun. After this weekend, I’m no longer confident I got enough.
Any suggestions for someone living in upstate NY (not the big rotten apple known as NYC?)
If I were an insane leftist conspiracy theorist, I might add "Big Gun started the riots as a plot to increase gun sales!" to my list of stupid theories about what's going on.
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I'm interested in buying a gun, but have limited experience. The favorite one I've shot so far was a Kris Vector SMG, with it's recoil-compensation. Is this a good buy? Should I get the 9mm or 45 ACP? Or should I be looking at other guns? I'd imagine I'll eventually use it for target-practice once I get some land.
Is there any sort of training I should look into?
I really have been thinking about the Vector for a long time. It fills a nice gap between a pistol and AR15, plus it takes standard Glock mags. 9mm or 45? I thought Kriss had a quick change lower where you could swap between calibers.
I had in mind to get a Vector and a hard case for it and have it under a car seat. Or even for the Mrs for something easy to handle but not a popgun.
Training? Any training is good. I have always wanted to go to Tactical Response in TN for the Fighting Pistol course. But a lot of places have basic CCW training courses you can take.
For right now, basic home defense, a 12 gage pump shotgun like Remington 870 or Mossberg 500. Police have been using them for decades. Plus it's easy to accessorize and reliable.
You will not be able to buy a vector right now. It’s an awesome gun, but it’s also like $1600 and they are completely sold out (you might be able to buy used). I was in the market for one a couple weeks ago and I have several people trying to find one for me. No luck.
Get a Glock 17 or 19x
Training yes - basic gun safety and shooting skills.
What weapon you get depends on what you want to do. Every day carry for small one on one defense? Something small and comfortable to holster like a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield in .40 or 9mm. I dont recommend the .380 (might be a Glock I tried but if the M&P version exists I guarantee it kicks hard too) because its so small it kicks harder than the 9mm does.
Home defense? A 12 gauge shotgun is perfect for the job. Dont get a super long hunting one unless you have an open floor plan. I have a semi auto shotgun, but the barrel is longer than my SKS and .45 Lever Action. With a narrow hallway and generally small rooms in my house its not easy to wield. Id honestly probably grab the Lever Action first as its the shortest rifle but packs a hell of a punch.
Buckshot is what you want for 100% stopping a home intruder. Birdshot is what Cheney got blasted in the face with and walked away. Dave Chappelle did a funny ass bit on birdshot vs buckshot but it does accurately explain the difference.
Tuesday for me...but you're right.
Some people don’t want to march on the commie strongholds during a civil war. They just want to defend their families if the civil war comes to them
Well ask you this then:
Why weren't there an army of gun owners (including you) rushing into these places yesterday and firing away?
For most people, guns are a personal defense device.
"Moment is upon us"?
Do what?
Go down there with an AR-15 and just start shooting rando people, getting in the way of the cops and Nat. Guard?
Defend your home, family, and property if it comes to that, otherwise stay the fuck out of the way, because no one knows who the hell you are, and they dont need a hyped-up person with a hero complex making things worse.
Well no one needs you with only some training to use a gun to try to play paramilitary.
People in videos with gun in these riots are using them to deter people from fucking with their shit, not roaming around looking for a fight.
People like to talk about "rooftop Koreans" need to remember they didn't go looking for the LA riots. They acted when it got to them, and weren't shooting at random people walking around because they "may" be the "right" target.
Older MAGA guy checking in. I’m not going to drive 50+ miles to the nearest Democrat shit hole to defend businesses mostly owned by Democrats.
Bruh. People becomes heroes because they’re able to put themselves on the line to do what’s right. Not everyone can ‘muster the courage’ to do something like that. If it was easy, everyone would do it, and I’m just not that quality of person.
That’s why I and many other say, for example, ‘thank you for your service’ when we meet veterans. They did what we couldn’t.
You know it's true what you're saying, but honestly, civilized people shouldn't be entirely comfortable with picking up a weapon and shooting someone. That's a terrible position to be in. Most of us, even those who've served in the military (unless they were in combat), would have trouble pulling the trigger, literally and figuratively. And that's probably a healthy reservation. But you can't pull the trigger when it's really necessary if you aren't armed in the first place, right?
As one tiny twig, individuals will break easily. But united together, we stand as one mighty faggot.