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For over 50 years, CDC said hydroxychloroquine is safe to take for any length of time, safe for children, safe for pregnant women when taken to prevent malaria. Then suddenly "experts" started claiming it can be fatal and dangerous and what not.
For anyone who tries to argue you about the side effects, show them this and read the "Adverse Events" on page 12 PDF:
This concerns the entirety of HCQ use over more than 50 years of data, likely millions of uses and of longer-term use than the 5 days recommended for Covid-19 treatment.
Nevertheless, even if the combined HCQ+AZ produced a 10-fold higher incidence of fatal Torsades de Pointes and long QT-interval syndrome than either agent alone, and even if both events were 10-fold underreported in FAERS, thus hypothetically giving 1200 fatal events, that would still be very small compared to the millions of uses of these medications that the FAERS database represents.
It'd be reasonable to require all peer reviewers to run the method using the author's data and make sure it checks out, and no more anonymous reviewers, so there's always a trail.
I think the reason TheGuardian covered it might have to do with the Australian Guardian first publishing it because the hospitals from Aus all said they have no idea who this fake company is
No - this is the reason the Guardian covered it --> Ariane Anderson:
SurgiSphere / QuartzClinical's Director of Sales Marketing is actually an event hostess doing modeling work: https://i.imgur.com/tMSMLzS.jpg (no nudity, but maybe a bit risqué for work.)
I think this might have to do with the Australian Guardian first publishing it because the hospitals from Aus all said they have no idea who this fake company is
Thank you for posting this. I had been following this story since The Lancet published their study. I also had talks with several colleagues discussing the legitimacy of the findings. (Yes, i thought it was shit and I was concerned about the timing. And yes, it caused a long week for me having to explain that hydroxychloroquine won't give you a heart attack.) People do need to understand there are also politics involved in medicine. It sucks, but it is reality. Luckily, I was trained to understand this, as well as, many of colleagues. Its our job as clinicians to read the data and apply it to our patient population evaluated risks and benefits. We do need more research in regards to COVID, but i felt this release to be political. Over the past week, I have seen several medical websites i use for research question the findings. It has been interesting. If anyone has any questions about hydroxychloroquine please feel free to ask. I dont have much experience in regards to treating COVID, but I use this medication daily in treating rheumatologic diseases.
Surely the fact that Remdesivir is very expensive and HCQ isn't is a big factor in the political move to discredit HCQ, but a huge part of it was to extend the lockdown (which a proven cure would make obsolete), let the deaths accumulate and the economy tank completely so Trump could unreasonably be blamed for for it all, and directly demoralize Trump for simply mentioning that HCQ was a promising drug in the treatment of CV-19, which he did AFTER some studies and doctors' experiences in using it to treat hundreds of patients showed that HCQ combined with Zinc and Azithromycin had been effective in saving lives of patients already seriously ill and also in preventing CV-19 patients from getting seriously sick from it.
Unfortunately, leftists and their fake news media claimed that Trump's statement on HCQ was completely 'unsubstantiated' (as if he had pulled his positive view of HCQ absolutely out of nowhere and HCQ hadn't already been considered a safe drug, even for preventive purposes, for over 50 yrs).
From the day Trump first made a positive statement about HCQ, the campaign started to discredit the drug, and even classify it as a killing drug. This is not a coincidence.
The fact that it is leftist trash is exactly the stories we need to push. Promoting stories from publications that leftists praise increases the chance they start to ask real questions.
Once they start asking questions red pills come quickly after.
I think Surgisphere is a front for something else considering it appeared out of nowehere 2 months ago and used to run cryptocurrency scams until few days ago.
Even if the US did no better than South Dakota, our total deaths would be below 9,000. Not 100,000+.
Following Dr Zelenko's protocol of Trump pills does even better. One (female) Governor, of SD was able to stand up to this bureaucracy and insure that once you test positive, you get "whatever you need" and are included in a Statewide study.
At least 40 Governors have repeated Cuomo's mistake.
Hard to tell how many of the other Governors repeating Cuomo's (intentional evil) mistake are knowingly committing evil, or simply following precedent in lockstep with orangemanbad. Fortunately different criminal charges exist that make intent unnecessary to prove. And with all the criminal charges they're guilty of, they can all die as paupers in prison, sending the necessary message to all future would-be tyrants. We now know this message won't still be heard 245 years from now, but it will last longer than 20.
Back in March, the American Health Care Association told Cuomo, Wolf, Murphy etc to stop ordering infected patients into nursing homes. The governors ignored the AHCA:
Yes! Although the architects designed the blueprint no later than 1913. Not sure how when or why Cuomo signed on. Bill Clinton learned it from his College Prof, Carrol Quigley.
I work for a VA hospital in western South Dakota. We have had only 1 veteran with Covid in our hospital, plus 2 more in home health, and three more admitted to a public hospital. Of the six total patients only one died, of a coronary issue.
Thank you for this! Was the coronary issue death in any way legitimately tied to HCQ use? I ask because the left has been trying to say it's too dangerous to use, when millions have taken it for 50 years and we know how to screen for that problem. Which hasn't stopped a couple prominent studies from being bad science and worse medicine, one of which was in our VA.
We are seeing mass gatherings of thousands and thousands of people all over the U.S, also London, breaking social distancing rules, so it's obvious it was all a hoax
Health “experts” are now saying that it’s OK to gather to protest George Floyd killing because of the public health crisis for black people due to white supremacy but it’s not OK to gather to protest the coronavirus lockdowns 🤡 🌎
The problem is, any investigation is already too late. As a paper-only shell company, there are a tons of exit strategies for all involved.
NEJM and WHO can blame each other, when someone goes digging further, they can point to Surgisphere and cry victim they were fooled. Easy for NEJM to change their article/archive policy to hide the info, WHO will just edit their website.
Surgisphere can just decline to comment, close down their site...etc. Stall for time each day there is no criminal investigation. Does anyone expect to find a server with all emails that wasn't wiped?
MSM can just say their "reporters are not scientist" and even cry victim that they were fooled.
This might be a new chapter in misinformation operations. Think about this: to run a presidential campaign or primary takes tens of millions, to run TV/Web advert campaign takes millions. What this case has done, is that for probably few hundred thousand dollars and six faux employees, they bypassed all of that and went straight to policy outcomes. A stealth bomber nowadays means spending billions to drop bombs on some worthless cave, while this is for a few hundred thousand swaying trillion dollar fortunes. For relatively low sum and shaking the right hands, they bought international pandemic policy that affected billions of people. To misinform and misleading people, this is quite possibly the most successful asymmetrical campaign to date.
This tiny company appears to have just made up the data used in the Lancet and NEJM studies cautioning against HCQ. It has changed treatment policy around the globe.
The 6-employee company claimed to have data sharing agreements with 1200 hospitals around the world. But these hospitals are saying they have no such agreement and have never heard of the company.
The company’s marketing manager is a stripper and their data analyst is a sci-fi/fantasy illustrator.
If HCQ turns out to be even mildly beneficial, tens of thousands around the world May have been killed by this American company.
Does this company or any member have financial Ties to Gilead or other competing drug makers? How about to democrat linked groups?
An immediate and high level criminal investigation and audit of this company and all officers is necessary. Our most esteemed medical journals may have misled the world and caused extensive preventable death around the globe.
Don't forget that the company only has 5 employees who joined 5 months ago, none have any scientific background and the website used to have cryptocurrency scam until few days ago:
And governments across the world will still want to mandate that everyone take it. They may even ask China to accidentally release another version of the virus and play it up in the media as the worst virus ever known to man just to get people on board with taking the vaccine that somehow amazingly works for the new strain of the virus.
If they spent more money and involved more people, they increase the risk of being directly connected to it. With this, we can basically prove nothing about who was behind this company appearing out of nowhere.
Studies are rife with corruption. I recall that even in the leftist doc about the housing crisis, one economist admitted to just writing papers for money.
It’s hard to really tell what they are covering up anymore. China flu to avoid elections? Riots because China flu ended too fast? Either one of these to cover up Obamagate happening now?
I’m going to go with the tactic of force feeding through a fire hose. They are purposefully doing all this chaos to cover up everything they are doing illegally. Democrats are a fucking poison. Their party needs to be removed.
They are sacrificing America and its people in a Hail Mary attempt to overthrow the president of the United States of America through sedition, violent mercenaries, propaganda, incitement, fear, tyranny and lies.
If it seems that the actions of this criminal enterprise are getting less veiled and increasing in severity it is because desperation is setting in. They are about to lose the war.
NANCY PELOSI AND THE DNC ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING WE ARE SUFFERING THROUGH FOR THE LAST 4 MONTHS. This is why she refused to call the House back into session and extended their “hiatus” for another month 8 days ago - the day before these riots broke out.
I think the reason TheGuardian covered it might have to do with the Australian Guardian first publishing it because the hospitals from Aus all said they have no idea who this fake company is
This should be higher up. This is deeply concerning.
Also worth noting: the lancet itself (the 200 yo supposedly legitimate journal that published the study) released an "expression of concern" - which is a big deal, it's them officially stating the study was at the minimum, potentially deeply flawed.
For over 50 years, CDC said hydroxychloroquine is safe to take for any length of time, safe for children, safe for pregnant women when taken to prevent malaria. Then suddenly "experts" started claiming it can be fatal and dangerous and what not.
For anyone who tries to argue you about the side effects, show them this and read the "Adverse Events" on page 12 PDF:
This concerns the entirety of HCQ use over more than 50 years of data, likely millions of uses and of longer-term use than the 5 days recommended for Covid-19 treatment.
Nevertheless, even if the combined HCQ+AZ produced a 10-fold higher incidence of fatal Torsades de Pointes and long QT-interval syndrome than either agent alone, and even if both events were 10-fold underreported in FAERS, thus hypothetically giving 1200 fatal events, that would still be very small compared to the millions of uses of these medications that the FAERS database represents.
Hey I'm not trying to be a hater, but this is my 5 cent critique, take it or leave it because I'm just some anonymous guy on the internet. Feel free to ignore me if you disagree.
When you're looking to provide "more info", and then dump 11 links, despite the fact that all 11 are good links, you end up providing less information than if you had just posted 1 or 2. Once I see that many links, instead of clicking all of them, I click none. In my opinion, 1 or 2 highly focused links are a more effective way of communicating information in general, as opposed to 11 links that are probably all good.
Maybe it's just a bi-product of the modern era being ADHD by nature, but I can't be bothered to click all of those.
I see you re-posted the same comment from higher up in the thread where it got more visibility. I do believe you have the best intentions: to get the most information to the highest number of people. This is just my personal take- by providing too many links, you may actually be working in a counter-productive way, lessening the chance that each individual link is clicked.
Again, I'm just some random bloke on the internet, and I'm just saying what generally works for me /what makes me more or less likely to click. If this is working for you, feel free to tell me to fuck off, I won't be offended
If this is working for you, feel free to tell me to fuck off, I won't be offended
Nah, you might be right. This works for me as I like building a knowledge base with all the info I learn and I add them in. The reason for so many links in my thought was that some people prefer editorialized links whereas others prefer more official sources. So I don't know which one serves the best for whom.
However going forward, I will keep your advice in mind and try to provide 2 links only maybe - one which is official scientific community, other which is editorialized media one. Sorry about that.
the WHO announced it would now resume its global trial of hydroxychloroquine, after its data safety monitoring committee found there was no increased risk of death for Covid patients taking it.
So the MSM propaganda outlets who were warning us about the 'severe side effects' were full of shit. Surprise.
It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. As many of the countries are at their heart just blindly following the advice from "leftist scientists". They plan to keep countries in lockdowns until they collapse.
So in other words the World Health Organization accepted the recommendations of a fraudulent company no one had ever really heard of which claimed to have data no one ever bothered to verify, and set official WHO treatment guidelines upon which numerous countries rely - including terminating their hydroxychloroquine study - based on totally fabricated results concocted by a a bunch of scammers.
Sounds like we did the right thing by no longer funding those chucklefucks.
At a press conference on Wednesday, the WHO announced it would resume its global trial of hydroxychloroquine, after its data safety monitoring committee found there was no increased risk of death for Covid patients taking it.
I wonder how many people died because of this bullshit
You know the “vaccines cause autism” meme? The actual story there is:
> late 1990s
> absolute cunt Andrew Wakefield works for a company that’s researching an MMR vaccine
> he says, fuck it, why not whack some competition, writes a paper that says the other MMR guys’ vaccine is linked to higher autism rates
> The Lancet are the only morons willing to accept some kind of payoff for publishing his hot shit
On the plus side, Wakefield lost his medical license after all that got made public. On the down side, you have Karens who think that paper and random .wordpress.blogspot.com blogs are more authoritative than the entire rest of science
We KNEW this drug is safe. I have given it to HUNDREDS of patients over the years. Literally NONE of them had anything more severe than mild nausea. Because we know EXACTLY to the milligram what is a toxic dose.
But hey WHO and the FUCKING WORLD just needs ONE study because ORANGE MAN BAD!
For over 50 years, CDC said hydroxychloroquine is safe to take for any length of time, safe for children, safe for pregnant women when taken to prevent malaria. Then suddenly "experts" started claiming it can be fatal and dangerous and what not.
For anyone who tries to argue you about the side effects, show them this and read the "Adverse Events" on page 12 PDF:
This concerns the entirety of HCQ use over more than 50 years of data, likely millions of uses and of longer-term use than the 5 days recommended for Covid-19 treatment.
Nevertheless, even if the combined HCQ+AZ produced a 10-fold higher incidence of fatal Torsades de Pointes and long QT-interval syndrome than either agent alone, and even if both events were 10-fold underreported in FAERS, thus hypothetically giving 1200 fatal events, that would still be very small compared to the millions of uses of these medications that the FAERS database represents.
So the hyped studies were a total complete dumpster fire of bogus data sources from a plainly obvious source. Yet made it through peer review and were spread worldwide. Nice.
I hope that some people will make the connection that this is the same sort of garbage "science" being used to gin up global warming hysteria. Unfortunately I don't think we are that lucky.
We're real close to Civil War 2.0 if they don't get on top of this shit - like yesterday. I'm not talking announcements - because words aren't the only thing that's cheap.
Headlines proclaiming deadly effects will make it hard to recruit patients to key studies, [White] says. “The whole world thinks now that these drugs are poisonous.”
Looks like the leftists were successful, then. Now it's an uphill battle to explain that 50 years of safe usage overrules 3 shady papers that the company won't even give up the source data for. Fun...
I'm so glad to read this. I ran into the lancet paper and had suspicions with it's lopsided control vs treatment numbers. I'm surrounded by leftists colleagues but feel reaffirmed about continuing HCQ in hospitals.
Funny thing is that I barely have any covid patients in my hospital now. Even suspected ones. Even with testing every admit.
For over 50 years, CDC said hydroxychloroquine is safe to take for any length of time, safe for children, safe for pregnant women when taken to prevent malaria. Then suddenly "experts" started claiming it can be fatal and dangerous and what not.
For anyone who tries to argue you about the side effects, show them this and read the "Adverse Events" on page 12 PDF:
This concerns the entirety of HCQ use over more than 50 years of data, likely millions of uses and of longer-term use than the 5 days recommended for Covid-19 treatment.
Nevertheless, even if the combined HCQ+AZ produced a 10-fold higher incidence of fatal Torsades de Pointes and long QT-interval syndrome than either agent alone, and even if both events were 10-fold underreported in FAERS, thus hypothetically giving 1200 fatal events, that would still be very small compared to the millions of uses of these medications that the FAERS database represents.
This is so fucked up. It's idea laundering. And it reminds me a lot of Fusion, the company that produced the fake Steele dossier.
Worst of all: Many scientists must habe realized something was off, based on papers published. They decided to not speak up in time. All that grant money won't be risked to save some human life.
So these asshats relied on data from a single source, after screaming from the rooftops that we needed more studies to determine if HCQ was a viable treatment?
The studies were co-authored by the firm’s chief executive, Sapan Desai.
Desai has been named in three medical malpractice suits
In 2008, Desai launched a crowdfunding campaign on the website Indiegogo promoting a wearable “next generation human augmentation device that can help you achieve what you never thought was possible”. The device never came to fruition.
Peter Ellis, the chief data scientist of Nous Group, an international management consultancy that does data integration projects for government departments, expressed concern that Surgisphere database was “almost certainly a scam”.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to find an Indian committing fraud.
A search of publicly available material suggests several of Surgisphere’s employees have little or no data or scientific background. An employee listed as a science editor appears to be a science fiction author and fantasy artist. Another employee listed as a marketing executive is an adult model and events hostess.
While Surgisphere claims to run one of the largest and fastest hospital databases in the world, it has almost no online presence. Its Twitter handle has fewer than 170 followers, with no posts between October 2017 and March 2020.
What do you want to bet this firm was chosen by Indians at the WHO?
Fucking third worlders.
hydroxychloroquine study and its lead author, Mandeep Mehra
Another Indian? Shocking!
Until Monday, the “get in touch” link on Surgisphere’s homepage redirected to a WordPress template for a cryptocurrency website, raising questions about how hospitals could easily contact the company to join its database.
What kind of a moron do you have to be to do business with a company without even scouring its website? People at the WHO had to know this guy was full of shit, but chose to use him anyway.
Chicago-based Surgisphere has not publicly released the data underlying the studies, but today Desai told Science through a spokesperson that he was “arranging a nondisclosure agreement that will provide the authors of the NEJM paper with the data access requested by NEJM.”
The problem is that the public's attention span is so short, due to media manipulation. This won't be reported in the MSM, which has moved on to other lies to win the day for the Left.
This is who manufactured the fake data used as cover to besmirch and ban an effective cure for COVID-19. The mushroom public is still gaslighted against it even as it is adopted successfully and without question as the front-line medication nearly everywhere else in the world.
The mainstream media has incessantly propagandized against an effective cure to a pandemic while insisting we stay away from each other, abandon our livelihoods, close our schools, and hide our faces like lepers.
This is about controlling you and setting us up for the latent violence being revealed right now.
The sooner everyone realizes that the CCP and the DNC are two faces of the same entity, the better.
Also, respect to The Guardian. They're leftist trash, but they at least had enough integrity to investigate and publish a story that runs against their narrative. I wonder what CNN would do in their shoes.
The Guardian is leftist trash, here's an archive link for your safety: http://archive.is/cloVY
Yeah, this is important news. That's the problem, we're overloaded with important news lately...
100% true! But that's what makes this even better to help red pill the normies! I am surprised they even ran this whole story! Spread it everywhere!
Also highjacking this comment for more info:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling
https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a-study-out-of-thin-air
https://zenodo.org/record/3873178
https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-the-lancet-observational-study-surgisphere/
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/02/surgisphere-and-their-data
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/concerns-build-about-surgisphere-corporations-dataset-67605
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS0140-6736(20
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020822
Also remember:
https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf
For anyone who tries to argue you about the side effects, show them this and read the "Adverse Events" on page 12 PDF:
https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article-pdf/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/33312601/kwaa093.pdf
Of course, I agree with posting the story, I just wanted to give an archive so we don't feed them clicks.
100% thanks pede!
you ever notice how every single left-wing study is just propaganda from discredited organizations?
seriously. anytime the Democrat media reports on some study you can always use being or DuckDuckGo and find that it's been debunkedd
We are at war folks. The Information War is at hand. This is World War III we are in.
infowars.com
HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH
ebaumsworld.com
Yes.
We are in WWIII and we are fighting the Fourth Reich.
George Soros is literally a Nazi collaborator.
When he funds BLM, that means they are funded by Nazis.
The Nazis didn't lose. They just went underground and now they are popping back up.
Replace National with Global or...International.
Get it?
This ☝!I
Remember that Allah is the king of the liars.
The Illuminati worship him.
Illu = Allah.
Satanists.
Username checks out ++
The key is usually to figure out who's paying for the study.
It'd be reasonable to require all peer reviewers to run the method using the author's data and make sure it checks out, and no more anonymous reviewers, so there's always a trail.
Has Fauci been arrested yet?
Their entire climate change model is based on a comic that some cartoonist came up with.
we are not pedes, we are .WINNERS
Maybe we do want to feed them clicks for honest news though. A reward for covering it.
Tells them real news is profitable
I think the reason TheGuardian covered it might have to do with the Australian Guardian first publishing it because the hospitals from Aus all said they have no idea who this fake company is
No - this is the reason the Guardian covered it --> Ariane Anderson:
SurgiSphere / QuartzClinical's Director of Sales Marketing is actually an event hostess doing modeling work:
https://i.imgur.com/tMSMLzS.jpg (no nudity, but maybe a bit risqué for work.)
Good lord, she's probably a Vegas stripper
I wish I believed that. I think the only reason they're admitting to it is because their riots are going to cause more Covid.
Lol I really doubt they care about covid...
I think this might have to do with the Australian Guardian first publishing it because the hospitals from Aus all said they have no idea who this fake company is
Support the author at least.
Mehdi? Why support him?
It's simply refreshingly good work. That should be supported.
They post an article you like, and you dont want to give them clicks? Thats why they dont usually post article we like.
Thank you for posting this. I had been following this story since The Lancet published their study. I also had talks with several colleagues discussing the legitimacy of the findings. (Yes, i thought it was shit and I was concerned about the timing. And yes, it caused a long week for me having to explain that hydroxychloroquine won't give you a heart attack.) People do need to understand there are also politics involved in medicine. It sucks, but it is reality. Luckily, I was trained to understand this, as well as, many of colleagues. Its our job as clinicians to read the data and apply it to our patient population evaluated risks and benefits. We do need more research in regards to COVID, but i felt this release to be political. Over the past week, I have seen several medical websites i use for research question the findings. It has been interesting. If anyone has any questions about hydroxychloroquine please feel free to ask. I dont have much experience in regards to treating COVID, but I use this medication daily in treating rheumatologic diseases.
Once you saw the price difference between Hydroxycloriquin and the R drug (can't remember the name), you could see the plot.
Surely the fact that Remdesivir is very expensive and HCQ isn't is a big factor in the political move to discredit HCQ, but a huge part of it was to extend the lockdown (which a proven cure would make obsolete), let the deaths accumulate and the economy tank completely so Trump could unreasonably be blamed for for it all, and directly demoralize Trump for simply mentioning that HCQ was a promising drug in the treatment of CV-19, which he did AFTER some studies and doctors' experiences in using it to treat hundreds of patients showed that HCQ combined with Zinc and Azithromycin had been effective in saving lives of patients already seriously ill and also in preventing CV-19 patients from getting seriously sick from it.
Unfortunately, leftists and their fake news media claimed that Trump's statement on HCQ was completely 'unsubstantiated' (as if he had pulled his positive view of HCQ absolutely out of nowhere and HCQ hadn't already been considered a safe drug, even for preventive purposes, for over 50 yrs).
From the day Trump first made a positive statement about HCQ, the campaign started to discredit the drug, and even classify it as a killing drug. This is not a coincidence.
On-point perfection.
god among men, thank you for this extra context
Thank you pede!
The fact that it is leftist trash is exactly the stories we need to push. Promoting stories from publications that leftists praise increases the chance they start to ask real questions.
Once they start asking questions red pills come quickly after.
I think Surgisphere is a front for something else considering it appeared out of nowehere 2 months ago and used to run cryptocurrency scams until few days ago.
It’s an llc the government subcontracts like a non commissioned officer.
They do the dirty work, get paid...Then poof it’s gone once the deal it’s done.
50 bucks the "adult content creator" is some deep state muckety mucks fuck toy
Nah... She's over 12, and everyone knows the deep state is like the tortoise, they get in before the hair.
More likely a procurer to be honest. Now if it was a dude... I'd be certain
Thank you! Saving in my Chinese Lung AIDS folder....
I call mine the "FUCK YOU FAUCCI" folder
Kek
Genuinely surprised ANY article from the Guardian that could possibly put Trump in a good light would be published.
Even if the US did no better than South Dakota, our total deaths would be below 9,000. Not 100,000+.
Following Dr Zelenko's protocol of Trump pills does even better. One (female) Governor, of SD was able to stand up to this bureaucracy and insure that once you test positive, you get "whatever you need" and are included in a Statewide study.
At least 40 Governors have repeated Cuomo's mistake.
Yep, except in Cuomo's case I really doubt that it was a "mistake"
Hard to tell how many of the other Governors repeating Cuomo's (intentional evil) mistake are knowingly committing evil, or simply following precedent in lockstep with orangemanbad. Fortunately different criminal charges exist that make intent unnecessary to prove. And with all the criminal charges they're guilty of, they can all die as paupers in prison, sending the necessary message to all future would-be tyrants. We now know this message won't still be heard 245 years from now, but it will last longer than 20.
Back in March, the American Health Care Association told Cuomo, Wolf, Murphy etc to stop ordering infected patients into nursing homes. The governors ignored the AHCA:
https://www.ahcancal.org/News/news_releases/Pages/Long-term-care-leaders-address-state-orders-on-hospital-admissions-to-nursing-homes.aspx
Early as March we had the cure and we knew exactly what not to do. This whole thing (fake and exaggerated as it is) was unnecessary.
They wanted the deaths, that's why the put positive patients into nursing homes, anything to make Trump look bad.
Exactly!
You mean his blueprint to calculated mass murder...
Yes! Although the architects designed the blueprint no later than 1913. Not sure how when or why Cuomo signed on. Bill Clinton learned it from his College Prof, Carrol Quigley.
Can you elaborate on that?
I work for a VA hospital in western South Dakota. We have had only 1 veteran with Covid in our hospital, plus 2 more in home health, and three more admitted to a public hospital. Of the six total patients only one died, of a coronary issue.
Thank you for this! Was the coronary issue death in any way legitimately tied to HCQ use? I ask because the left has been trying to say it's too dangerous to use, when millions have taken it for 50 years and we know how to screen for that problem. Which hasn't stopped a couple prominent studies from being bad science and worse medicine, one of which was in our VA.
I have no idea
We are seeing mass gatherings of thousands and thousands of people all over the U.S, also London, breaking social distancing rules, so it's obvious it was all a hoax
Health “experts” are now saying that it’s OK to gather to protest George Floyd killing because of the public health crisis for black people due to white supremacy but it’s not OK to gather to protest the coronavirus lockdowns 🤡 🌎
https://thedonald.win/p/FysSbonp/public-health-experts-support-ge/c/
I wish I was on that SpaceX rocket out of this planet...
Space aliens probably...
I really thought this was a joke. I should know better by now but damn.
It's hard to tell nowadays.
H O N K
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You can gather to vandalize and burn a church, but you better not gather to pray in one!
The problem is, any investigation is already too late. As a paper-only shell company, there are a tons of exit strategies for all involved.
NEJM and WHO can blame each other, when someone goes digging further, they can point to Surgisphere and cry victim they were fooled. Easy for NEJM to change their article/archive policy to hide the info, WHO will just edit their website.
Surgisphere can just decline to comment, close down their site...etc. Stall for time each day there is no criminal investigation. Does anyone expect to find a server with all emails that wasn't wiped?
MSM can just say their "reporters are not scientist" and even cry victim that they were fooled.
This might be a new chapter in misinformation operations. Think about this: to run a presidential campaign or primary takes tens of millions, to run TV/Web advert campaign takes millions. What this case has done, is that for probably few hundred thousand dollars and six faux employees, they bypassed all of that and went straight to policy outcomes. A stealth bomber nowadays means spending billions to drop bombs on some worthless cave, while this is for a few hundred thousand swaying trillion dollar fortunes. For relatively low sum and shaking the right hands, they bought international pandemic policy that affected billions of people. To misinform and misleading people, this is quite possibly the most successful asymmetrical campaign to date.
Ironically the same people that told us to stay inside.🤔
Doesn't matter, even alternative news put a timer for mid-June as a wait and see for all the coughing to start mid-riot. 🤔
Fauci needs a Salem witch Trial
He needed it 20 years ago, guy is a piece of shit.
Damrite! He turned me into a newt.
You look normal.
Finally the right response.
Possibly my favorite line of the movie, throwaway or not.
Ah, carry on.
I got better...
Me too! I woke up one morning and suddenly I had white hair, gained a hundred lbs. and people kept calling me the former speaker of the house!
A criminal trial will do just fine.
This tiny company appears to have just made up the data used in the Lancet and NEJM studies cautioning against HCQ. It has changed treatment policy around the globe.
The 6-employee company claimed to have data sharing agreements with 1200 hospitals around the world. But these hospitals are saying they have no such agreement and have never heard of the company.
The company’s marketing manager is a stripper and their data analyst is a sci-fi/fantasy illustrator.
If HCQ turns out to be even mildly beneficial, tens of thousands around the world May have been killed by this American company.
Does this company or any member have financial Ties to Gilead or other competing drug makers? How about to democrat linked groups?
An immediate and high level criminal investigation and audit of this company and all officers is necessary. Our most esteemed medical journals may have misled the world and caused extensive preventable death around the globe.
Don't forget that the company only has 5 employees who joined 5 months ago, none have any scientific background and the website used to have cryptocurrency scam until few days ago:
https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a-study-out-of-thin-air
Vaccine for what? The sniffles, with a virulency less than Influenza B that peaked April 11th and dropped completely off the bell curve 2 weeks ago?
And governments across the world will still want to mandate that everyone take it. They may even ask China to accidentally release another version of the virus and play it up in the media as the worst virus ever known to man just to get people on board with taking the vaccine that somehow amazingly works for the new strain of the virus.
You'd think the NWO could afford a better front-end company for their fake study.
Must have blown their budget on child slaves.
If they spent more money and involved more people, they increase the risk of being directly connected to it. With this, we can basically prove nothing about who was behind this company appearing out of nowhere.
No one is supposed to check!
You're supposed to be swayed by images of prestige; by smoke and mirrors, and by celebrities.
Trust ALL authority figures -- didn't you get the memo?
That would be good because our media would look bad
Studies are rife with corruption. I recall that even in the leftist doc about the housing crisis, one economist admitted to just writing papers for money.
Another source: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling
The DISTRIBUTED IDEA SUPPRESSION COMPLEX.
It’s hard to really tell what they are covering up anymore. China flu to avoid elections? Riots because China flu ended too fast? Either one of these to cover up Obamagate happening now?
I’m going to go with the tactic of force feeding through a fire hose. They are purposefully doing all this chaos to cover up everything they are doing illegally. Democrats are a fucking poison. Their party needs to be removed.
Most if not all of them belong in prison
They are sacrificing America and its people in a Hail Mary attempt to overthrow the president of the United States of America through sedition, violent mercenaries, propaganda, incitement, fear, tyranny and lies.
If it seems that the actions of this criminal enterprise are getting less veiled and increasing in severity it is because desperation is setting in. They are about to lose the war.
NANCY PELOSI AND THE DNC ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING WE ARE SUFFERING THROUGH FOR THE LAST 4 MONTHS. This is why she refused to call the House back into session and extended their “hiatus” for another month 8 days ago - the day before these riots broke out.
Fauci lied and people died.
Surprised that Guardian would publish this as it shows Trump was right
I think the reason TheGuardian covered it might have to do with the Australian Guardian first publishing it because the hospitals from Aus all said they have no idea who this fake company is
Unrelated, but I accidentally found an article last night from CNN that called out their buddies, from just 2018!
Maybe they do this in a calculated manner occasionally to pretend they're unbiased, and also under the cover of chaos so it goes unnoticed.
More info here!
https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a-study-out-of-thin-air
I have them on video....
infowars life protein bar intensifies
It's funny when people think you're crazy...
And then come back a few months later and admit you were right all along.
This should be higher up. This is deeply concerning.
Also worth noting: the lancet itself (the 200 yo supposedly legitimate journal that published the study) released an "expression of concern" - which is a big deal, it's them officially stating the study was at the minimum, potentially deeply flawed.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31290-3/fulltext
Here's more:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling
https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a-study-out-of-thin-air
https://zenodo.org/record/3873178
https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-the-lancet-observational-study-surgisphere/
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/02/surgisphere-and-their-data
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/concerns-build-about-surgisphere-corporations-dataset-67605
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS0140-6736(20
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020822
Also remember:
https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf
For anyone who tries to argue you about the side effects, show them this and read the "Adverse Events" on page 12 PDF:
https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article-pdf/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/33312601/kwaa093.pdf
Hey I'm not trying to be a hater, but this is my 5 cent critique, take it or leave it because I'm just some anonymous guy on the internet. Feel free to ignore me if you disagree.
When you're looking to provide "more info", and then dump 11 links, despite the fact that all 11 are good links, you end up providing less information than if you had just posted 1 or 2. Once I see that many links, instead of clicking all of them, I click none. In my opinion, 1 or 2 highly focused links are a more effective way of communicating information in general, as opposed to 11 links that are probably all good.
Maybe it's just a bi-product of the modern era being ADHD by nature, but I can't be bothered to click all of those.
I see you re-posted the same comment from higher up in the thread where it got more visibility. I do believe you have the best intentions: to get the most information to the highest number of people. This is just my personal take- by providing too many links, you may actually be working in a counter-productive way, lessening the chance that each individual link is clicked.
Again, I'm just some random bloke on the internet, and I'm just saying what generally works for me /what makes me more or less likely to click. If this is working for you, feel free to tell me to fuck off, I won't be offended
Nah, you might be right. This works for me as I like building a knowledge base with all the info I learn and I add them in. The reason for so many links in my thought was that some people prefer editorialized links whereas others prefer more official sources. So I don't know which one serves the best for whom.
However going forward, I will keep your advice in mind and try to provide 2 links only maybe - one which is official scientific community, other which is editorialized media one. Sorry about that.
You're good bruh
So the MSM propaganda outlets who were warning us about the 'severe side effects' were full of shit. Surprise.
Surprise, surprise...POS Never Trumper Cavuto was even saying "people are going to die" if they take it.
So sick of these haters and disinformation liars.
They're trying to get us to fund them again. Right after we defunded them, they said masks could be harmful
Maybe you need to lock yourself in the control room and Harrison Bergeron everyone.
You link a full-length movie with no other explanation or context in response to a message board comment? I like your style.
Can roll up into a little ball and survive In space. I like your style.
Tardigrade Force!
TBH the mainstream narrative itself for coronavirus is playing a lot like a sci-fi movie. HCQ had a part in destroying their narrative too.
It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. As many of the countries are at their heart just blindly following the advice from "leftist scientists". They plan to keep countries in lockdowns until they collapse.
So in other words the World Health Organization accepted the recommendations of a fraudulent company no one had ever really heard of which claimed to have data no one ever bothered to verify, and set official WHO treatment guidelines upon which numerous countries rely - including terminating their hydroxychloroquine study - based on totally fabricated results concocted by a a bunch of scammers.
Sounds like we did the right thing by no longer funding those chucklefucks.
What the fucking hell?
So it's basically a medical company who's entire purpose was to make up research to discredit hydroxychloroquine and Trump?
People died because of this. Who was funding these guys? (Let's be honest it's either Dems or China)
Why not both?
why repeat yourself?
I wonder how many people died because of this bullshit
> some journal published shit because of nebulous
businesskickback scheme reasons instead of actual science> who could possibly do this horrific thing?
> The Lancet
> itallmakesensenow.jpg
All autistic pedes, I ask that you please join me for a moment of screeching incoherently into our computer microphones
Has The Lancet been involved in other shady shit?
You know the “vaccines cause autism” meme? The actual story there is:
> late 1990s
> absolute cunt Andrew Wakefield works for a company that’s researching an MMR vaccine
> he says, fuck it, why not whack some competition, writes a paper that says the other MMR guys’ vaccine is linked to higher autism rates
> The Lancet are the only morons willing to accept some kind of payoff for publishing his hot shit
On the plus side, Wakefield lost his medical license after all that got made public. On the down side, you have Karens who think that paper and random .wordpress.blogspot.com blogs are more authoritative than the entire rest of science
You're a pharma shill
The better question is if there is any shady shit The Lancet HASN’T been involved in.
And the entire fucking conspiracy comes to light.
We KNEW this drug is safe. I have given it to HUNDREDS of patients over the years. Literally NONE of them had anything more severe than mild nausea. Because we know EXACTLY to the milligram what is a toxic dose.
But hey WHO and the FUCKING WORLD just needs ONE study because ORANGE MAN BAD!
Also remember:
https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf
For anyone who tries to argue you about the side effects, show them this and read the "Adverse Events" on page 12 PDF:
https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article-pdf/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/33312601/kwaa093.pdf
That's just a bonus. This is mainly about money from patented drugs.
So the hyped studies were a total complete dumpster fire of bogus data sources from a plainly obvious source. Yet made it through peer review and were spread worldwide. Nice.
I hope that some people will make the connection that this is the same sort of garbage "science" being used to gin up global warming hysteria. Unfortunately I don't think we are that lucky.
HCQ works, my wife’s 81 year old uncle took it while suffering from Covid 19 and double pneumonia - he is also a regular smoker still
Odds this company is connected to Gilead, the Gates Foundation, Fauci, or all three?
Adult content model 🤔. I must investigate
Asking the right questions.
People are dying from the riots they caused.
We're real close to Civil War 2.0 if they don't get on top of this shit - like yesterday. I'm not talking announcements - because words aren't the only thing that's cheap.
How many people died cause of this piece of shit got HCQ taken off the table around the world?
porn stars are allowed to get day jobs in marketing. nothing wrong with that.
I think that the implication is that any company worth listening to would not have to use a stripper for their marketing director.
and who joined the company 2 months ago. All employees joined 2 months ago...
I'd love to see one other reputable medical company with with a prominent executive that moonlights as a porn star.
Looks like the leftists were successful, then. Now it's an uphill battle to explain that 50 years of safe usage overrules 3 shady papers that the company won't even give up the source data for. Fun...
I'm so glad to read this. I ran into the lancet paper and had suspicions with it's lopsided control vs treatment numbers. I'm surrounded by leftists colleagues but feel reaffirmed about continuing HCQ in hospitals.
Funny thing is that I barely have any covid patients in my hospital now. Even suspected ones. Even with testing every admit.
Here's more:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling
https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a-study-out-of-thin-air
https://zenodo.org/record/3873178
https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-the-lancet-observational-study-surgisphere/
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/02/surgisphere-and-their-data
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/concerns-build-about-surgisphere-corporations-dataset-67605
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS0140-6736(20
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020822
Also remember:
https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf
For anyone who tries to argue you about the side effects, show them this and read the "Adverse Events" on page 12 PDF:
https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article-pdf/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/33312601/kwaa093.pdf
Arrest Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates, everyone who works for Surgisphere, and every other globalist scumbag NOW!
And they called us conspiracy theorists! We were right all along!
This is so fucked up. It's idea laundering. And it reminds me a lot of Fusion, the company that produced the fake Steele dossier.
Worst of all: Many scientists must habe realized something was off, based on papers published. They decided to not speak up in time. All that grant money won't be risked to save some human life.
Disgusting.
Anything is possible when you're living in HONK HONK Clown World!
Of course the entire denial about the benefits of HCQ is pure trash.
The amazing part is how willing 'respected' medical journals were to publish this pure garbage solely because it fit the Leftist agenda.
Leftists and Globalists don't give two shits about people's lives.
All that matters is their end goal of taking over the world.
So these asshats relied on data from a single source, after screaming from the rooftops that we needed more studies to determine if HCQ was a viable treatment?
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to find an Indian committing fraud.
What do you want to bet this firm was chosen by Indians at the WHO?
Fucking third worlders.
Another Indian? Shocking!
What kind of a moron do you have to be to do business with a company without even scouring its website? People at the WHO had to know this guy was full of shit, but chose to use him anyway.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
(from the sciencemag copy: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling)
The authors of the paper didn't even get to see the raw data from this fake company
They're just now preparing an NDA for the authors to check
What the actual fuck is the definition of an author then?
That's some CIA shit.
The problem is that the public's attention span is so short, due to media manipulation. This won't be reported in the MSM, which has moved on to other lies to win the day for the Left.
Of course they did. It was so obvious how bullshit their opposition to it was.
These people really are sick.
This is who manufactured the fake data used as cover to besmirch and ban an effective cure for COVID-19. The mushroom public is still gaslighted against it even as it is adopted successfully and without question as the front-line medication nearly everywhere else in the world.
The mainstream media has incessantly propagandized against an effective cure to a pandemic while insisting we stay away from each other, abandon our livelihoods, close our schools, and hide our faces like lepers.
This is about controlling you and setting us up for the latent violence being revealed right now.
The sooner everyone realizes that the CCP and the DNC are two faces of the same entity, the better.
We are at war.
The fact they stopped this miracle drug has always seemed evil to me!!!!!
More fake news debunked. I’m shocked.
Sounds like this year's Fusion GPS?
That's exactly what I thought.
Awesome. When I get health advice...it's really important that it comes from a guy sporting a 70s porn stach.
He announced it 4 days ago! It didn't get covered because of the riot bullshit
One look at Surgisphere's website (the fake company) is enough to realize that it's a phony entity.
Someone gave them a bogus report and paid them to publish it, and I'd very much like to know who.
Also, respect to The Guardian. They're leftist trash, but they at least had enough integrity to investigate and publish a story that runs against their narrative. I wonder what CNN would do in their shoes.
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Lanshit
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