They’re fucking gaslighting. Antifa doesn’t mean Antifascist, a term that could be broadly described like they say. It means Antifascist Action, a Stalinist Comintern front group, namely the German Communist Party/KPD’s new front group after losing the Red Fighters’ Bund from beatups and defections to the SA... shortly before suffering the same fate.
These goons have always been violent, intolerant terrorists whose god has been the destruction of constitutional society and the forced dissolution of all contrary political opinions. Their definition of Fascism is literally adopted from Stalin’s “Social Fascism” aka “Everybody I don’t like is Hitler the prototype version.” Treat them accordingly.
Funny thing is, they're not entirely wrong. The soldiers themselves were upstanding people, but in reality we were saving the Soviet Union from destruction.
Noble cause, that. Don't forget who FDR was: A Stalin ass kisser. They sold the war on 'liberating Europe', except fuck Poland and Eastern Europe, let Stalin gobble them up and Gulag the population. Very noble. (Edit: Remember the war STARTED over the invasion of Poland and what an OUTRAGE it was! Just posturing??)
Britain rounded up Cossacks and sent them back to the USSR, KNOWING they would be tortured, worked to death, or killed.
And after WWII was over Britain kicked Churchill to the curb and went Socialist.
There honestly were no 'good guys' in WWII. and since WWII is essentially the founding mythology of the modern US, the flaws present in the myth sowed the seeds of today.
No, they are entirely wrong in the same way a commie shill might say that SDS is any Student for a Democratic Society (rather than a member of the totalitarian Commie Front Group Students for a Democratic Society). The best way to crush the mystique and acceptability of Antifa is to reveal the totalitarian, terrorist lineage of Antifascist Action going back to its original incarnation as one of Papa Joe’s gangs of thugs to its Maoist Rebirth. Preferably while using info from groups like Germany’s BfV (who cucked and obsessed about “the right” as they might be still know better than anybody what Antifa is )
And what determines a good or bad guy is not that someone is without sin (Jesus Christ had something to say about that), but that one’s sins are less destructive or egregious than the Others.
And no, FDR did not sell the war based on liberating Europe. He could not have done so. He sold the war based on- let’s not forget this- AVENGING A PERFIDIOUS, MERCILESS ATTACK on America by the Japanese Empire, which the Nazis and their friends signed up to after the fact with declarations of war. And it is telling you don’t mention the Pacific at all in this post, even if it was the second/somewhat lesser theater of the war. FDR was still too much of a Stalin butt kisser and generally a prog shill but what most people don’t seem to remember is that we got dragged into the war by the Japanese and fought them longer than we did the Nazis. American public opinion prioritized our struggle with them even if the actual war prioritized the ETO.
So from the start “liberating Europe” was a secondary appeal to “these assholes attacked us. What are you going to do about it?”
And Western Allies- for all their many sins- were not fighting to save the Soviet Union. After all, Hitler had started the war in alliance with Stalin and did not turn on him Until the first third or so of the war in Europe, after attempts to have him join the Axis fully failed. This was two years after the British and French declared war on Germany and about a year after even FDR passed Lend-Lease, condemned the Soviets for the Winter War (more on that later) and helped expel them from the League of Nations.
As for Operation Keelhaul, we had a lot of POWs that fell into Soviet hands when they marched through the Eastern Reich or who were interned as a result of say ditching in the USSR during attacks on Japan. So they demanded a turnover of all Soviet nationals we had in exchange for getting out own peeps back (who let’s not forget would probably be necessary in any future war with the Soviets or an invasion of Japan Proper). If anything what’s remarkable is that we risked a lot to avoid sending so many people back
As for Poland, I make no apologies. The West has been daft enough to guarantee Poland’s Western borders but not its East and chickened our of war with the Soviets in 1939. We made half hearted attempts to force Soviet cooperation or at least tolerate the Home Army. We failed except for getting some Yalta agreements that the Soviets would do free elections and blah blah that they almost immediately violated. Ugly as it is I can understand why the West did not immediately march to war over that, but there was absolutely no reason to degrade or dismiss our Polish Allies like we did. That helps make PolandMa fate among the most tragic, even in comparison to the Baltic Three (who we never withdrew recognition or support from). It’s a slap in the face to all the Western Pilots who flew through hell to try and resupplt Warsaw in 1944 and to our ideals.
But how is that supposed to mean “we screwed up and compromised our values with mass murdering totalitarian socialist bastards, so we are no better than mass murdering totalitarian socialist bastards”? To hell with that. Needing to be better ourselves shouldn’t be a get out of hell free card for Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, or the Moose.
Yeah this is shocking, I was told they’re not organized, and that antifa is actually anyone that doesn’t oppose the Allied forces’ side in WWII.
Are you telling me current events are as they appear, and not a world history LARP of events from 60 years ago? What???
They’re fucking gaslighting. Antifa doesn’t mean Antifascist, a term that could be broadly described like they say. It means Antifascist Action, a Stalinist Comintern front group, namely the German Communist Party/KPD’s new front group after losing the Red Fighters’ Bund from beatups and defections to the SA... shortly before suffering the same fate.
These goons have always been violent, intolerant terrorists whose god has been the destruction of constitutional society and the forced dissolution of all contrary political opinions. Their definition of Fascism is literally adopted from Stalin’s “Social Fascism” aka “Everybody I don’t like is Hitler the prototype version.” Treat them accordingly.
Funny thing is, they're not entirely wrong. The soldiers themselves were upstanding people, but in reality we were saving the Soviet Union from destruction.
Noble cause, that. Don't forget who FDR was: A Stalin ass kisser. They sold the war on 'liberating Europe', except fuck Poland and Eastern Europe, let Stalin gobble them up and Gulag the population. Very noble. (Edit: Remember the war STARTED over the invasion of Poland and what an OUTRAGE it was! Just posturing??)
Britain rounded up Cossacks and sent them back to the USSR, KNOWING they would be tortured, worked to death, or killed.
And after WWII was over Britain kicked Churchill to the curb and went Socialist.
There honestly were no 'good guys' in WWII. and since WWII is essentially the founding mythology of the modern US, the flaws present in the myth sowed the seeds of today.
No, they are entirely wrong in the same way a commie shill might say that SDS is any Student for a Democratic Society (rather than a member of the totalitarian Commie Front Group Students for a Democratic Society). The best way to crush the mystique and acceptability of Antifa is to reveal the totalitarian, terrorist lineage of Antifascist Action going back to its original incarnation as one of Papa Joe’s gangs of thugs to its Maoist Rebirth. Preferably while using info from groups like Germany’s BfV (who cucked and obsessed about “the right” as they might be still know better than anybody what Antifa is )
And what determines a good or bad guy is not that someone is without sin (Jesus Christ had something to say about that), but that one’s sins are less destructive or egregious than the Others.
And no, FDR did not sell the war based on liberating Europe. He could not have done so. He sold the war based on- let’s not forget this- AVENGING A PERFIDIOUS, MERCILESS ATTACK on America by the Japanese Empire, which the Nazis and their friends signed up to after the fact with declarations of war. And it is telling you don’t mention the Pacific at all in this post, even if it was the second/somewhat lesser theater of the war. FDR was still too much of a Stalin butt kisser and generally a prog shill but what most people don’t seem to remember is that we got dragged into the war by the Japanese and fought them longer than we did the Nazis. American public opinion prioritized our struggle with them even if the actual war prioritized the ETO.
So from the start “liberating Europe” was a secondary appeal to “these assholes attacked us. What are you going to do about it?”
And Western Allies- for all their many sins- were not fighting to save the Soviet Union. After all, Hitler had started the war in alliance with Stalin and did not turn on him Until the first third or so of the war in Europe, after attempts to have him join the Axis fully failed. This was two years after the British and French declared war on Germany and about a year after even FDR passed Lend-Lease, condemned the Soviets for the Winter War (more on that later) and helped expel them from the League of Nations.
As for Operation Keelhaul, we had a lot of POWs that fell into Soviet hands when they marched through the Eastern Reich or who were interned as a result of say ditching in the USSR during attacks on Japan. So they demanded a turnover of all Soviet nationals we had in exchange for getting out own peeps back (who let’s not forget would probably be necessary in any future war with the Soviets or an invasion of Japan Proper). If anything what’s remarkable is that we risked a lot to avoid sending so many people back
As for Poland, I make no apologies. The West has been daft enough to guarantee Poland’s Western borders but not its East and chickened our of war with the Soviets in 1939. We made half hearted attempts to force Soviet cooperation or at least tolerate the Home Army. We failed except for getting some Yalta agreements that the Soviets would do free elections and blah blah that they almost immediately violated. Ugly as it is I can understand why the West did not immediately march to war over that, but there was absolutely no reason to degrade or dismiss our Polish Allies like we did. That helps make PolandMa fate among the most tragic, even in comparison to the Baltic Three (who we never withdrew recognition or support from). It’s a slap in the face to all the Western Pilots who flew through hell to try and resupplt Warsaw in 1944 and to our ideals.
But how is that supposed to mean “we screwed up and compromised our values with mass murdering totalitarian socialist bastards, so we are no better than mass murdering totalitarian socialist bastards”? To hell with that. Needing to be better ourselves shouldn’t be a get out of hell free card for Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, or the Moose.