My mom called me yesterday and ask, “why did the police have him down” she said all she sees on the news is an officer on his neck and then pictures talking about how he was an amazing man. She has yet to see any before videos or after videos, just the knee on the neck. She said she felt bad for him because of how the media portrayed him as a saint. Needless to say I told her the truth. But she is proof of how damaging the media can be and how convincing they can be. My mom loves our President and everything he’s doing but at times it’s hard for her too tell the difference between truth and lies, she’s 80 and at least she questions things.
I am actually curious too on what actually happened to get Floyd on the ground. I have seen 3 videos but none show what exactly happened before him on the ground with the knee on his neck.
8:14 p.m. – Kueng and Lane attempt to walk Floyd to their squad car, but Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground and told the officers he was claustrophobic. Chauvin and Thoa arrive in a separate squad car.
The officers make several attempts to get Floyd into the squad car, but he struggles with officers.
While standing outside the car, Floyd begins saying and repeating that he cannot breathe. Chauvin tries to get Floyd into the squad car with help from Lane and Kueng.
8:19 p.m. – Chauvin pulls Floyd out of the squad car. Floyd goes to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng holds his back and Lane holds his legs. Chauvin presses his knee onto Floyds neck. Floyd repeats, “I can’t breathe.”
At one point, Lane asks, “Should we roll him on his side?” and Chauvin says no. Lane says he is worried about “excited delirium” Chauvin responds, “that’s why we have him on his stomach." None of the three officers moved from their positions.
8:24 p.m. – Body camera video shows Floyd stop moving.
8:25 p.m. – Body camera video appears to show Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Kueng checked Floyd’s pulse and says he cannot find one. None of the officers moved from their positions.
8:27 p.m. – Chauvin removes his knee from Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and paramedics arrives and the officers place Floyd on a gurney.
9:25 p.m. – Floyd was pronounced dead at the Hennepin County Medical Center, according to the medical examiner’s report.
8:27 p.m. – Chauvin removes his knee from Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and paramedics arrives and the officers place Floyd on a gurney.
This isn't exactly accurate. Chauvin kept his knee on his neck even after the ambulance had arrived (there were NO EMTs from the ambulance and they made zero efforts at reviving Floyd). Chauvin kept his knee until the body was put on the gurney. This is exactly why I think Chauvin was there to kill Floyd pre-meditated and not an accident.
All that stuff occurred in about the same minute. They just aren't giving a second by second breakdown. The gutter is no place to try to resuscitate Floyd when their fancy monitors and life-saving equipment is seconds away inside his ride to the ER. He may have still had a faint pulse undetectable by the notoriously inaccurate finger trick, shouldn't do CPR on the living you know.
Also there is no indication of malice on Chauvin's part. The voice scolding Floyd "bruv, get up and get in the car right man, you cant win, I saw the whole thing" is a black bystander, not Chauvin. They had him down waiting for the ambulance already called because Floyd prevented all four officers from forcing him into the car, they were concerned with "excited delirium" (retard strength). Chauvin probably didn't have any pressure on his neck later on just doing an awkward knee version of hover hand. Probably afraid he'd look as if the knee were actually a problem, removing it entirely after Floyd goes still. Floyd had even collapsed once feeling "claustrophobic" before Chauvin even arrived on scene.
The visible restraint has everyone's attention in the belated video, but the invisible drugs and heart attack were what killed Floyd. He was probably a dead man walking before Chauvin arrived.
Fentanyl as a powerful narcotic suppresses the respiratory center of the brain...Floyd may have been ODing causing breathing problems and delirium. Floyd I heard was 6'6"...so he was a large well built man but he was dying before the knee to the neck.
Yup, and all the bystanders, agitated by years of media race-baiting and fear-mongering, could see to blame was Chauvin resorting to a knee-hold to restrain a powerful drug-fueled and irrational suspect already in his death throes. The cops, if they can get a fair trial, will not only be acquitted but probably be entitled to wrongful termination and defamation settlements over the hysteria.
How the hell are they going to choose a jury for this? The fact that he had another officer tell him that he could not find a pulse, yet he kept pressure on him is the biggest evidence of wrongdoing. He also has no obligation to trust bystanders but he had like 5 people saying that the guy was clearly dying. I think what will happen is that they will find some little thing in the protocol that Chauvin did wrong and accuse him on that. Regardless of what it is, it will never appease the mob and we will see a second wave of riots, but this time far less people will be on their side as new facts come out.
Yeah it was normal for them to remove him from the ground and get him into the ambulance. The first thing you do is move the person to a safe area. A road is definitely not considered safe, even if you are next to a cop car.
I think he was theorizing on the malice part because they knew each other. Floyd and chauvin both worked as security at the same bar for a while. Some people theorize there was a personal beef there because, honestly what are the fucking odds?
That's based on the dubious premise Chauvin's knee even contributed to his death at all. You could argue them knowing each other got him preferential treatment and the early ambulance call or is the only reason he wasn't pepper sprayed or tazed during his struggles as well.
lol. Yes, classic knee to the back of the spine to asphyxiate someone ... Would have to be the most retarded assassination attempt ever and highly likely to fail.
So in other words, he pretty much choked on his own spit and had a heart attack. None of the cops had a brain cell among them to provide any sense of first aid. The dude was possibly already in a state of shock. Hence why he wasnt able to move the way they wanted him. They viewed it as resisting arrest.
However foaming at the mouth, lethargic and somewhat unresponsive to verbal but was responsive to physical points that the cops fucked up and read the situation wrong.
It was a hit. Floyd probably witnessed Cauvin doing something very illegal at the club they both worked at. Maybe threatened Chauvin by saying he was going to talk. Who knows. Needs more investigation.
Kueng checked Floyd’s pulse and says he cannot find one. None of the officers moved from their positions.
Do officers have any basic first aid training? If not, that might be a good place to start. If they just stopped right there and started CPR the whole optics of this situation would look way different.
I can only speculate lawyers and insurers would push for dept policy to prohibit officers from impersonating EMTs or treating suspects like patients. Sounds like the kind of red tape democrats would impose. And again they're not equipped for it. Just because Kueng couldn't find a pulse with his finger doesn't mean he didn't still have one, weakened by the fentanyl. They're already accused of "keeping pressure on him" although we can't see for sure if Chauvin is being anything but gentle with him. What if they go pounding on his chest and stop his heart or break loose a clot from his clogged arteries causing a stroke? Other than the democrat narrative of racist killer cops everywhere, we have no good reason to assume they weren't being careful of his health.
Yup, having the breath to talk while feeling like you can't breathe and his other symptoms is a lot more in line with drugs and a heart attack than being choked to death. I think they were just hitting the highlights here, the editorial along with the sauce was all about blaming the cops anyway.
No indication they were pissed or mean. The voice heard scolding "bruv, get up and get in the car right man, you can't win, I saw the whole thing." was a black bystander, not Chauvin. They gave up on moving him while waiting for the ambulance before the video even began because all four of them couldn't force him into the car. They were concerned about his "excited delirium" (retard strength).
Probably too late now anyway. Everybody is already fixated on their bias fueled first impressions. Somebody insisted to me they could read Chauvin's lips while "taunting floyd to get up" despite Chauvin's entire face being hidden behind the car while that exchange between Floyd and the bystander takes place. I know it colored my perception while I was initially under the mistaken impression Chauvin talked like a horror movie redneck. They're probably too afraid to appear as defending the cops right now, as well as not meddling with the eventual court case.
Here is a NYT video that was well done, they try to give a time sequence and stabilize bystander footage. The video is disturbing and brutal, but there is no overt racism.
"Police Brutality Matters" <-- what everyone should be scrawling on walls.
Not everything is about race.
Watching unedited footage, it looks a lot more like Floyd kicked his way out of the other door. The officers on the sidewalk side were obviously pushing, until the moment they run to the other side.
When the show you the policy on neck restraints, they highlight what they want you to see, and fucking blur out the rest of the page that contradicts what they're saying.
They don't show it taking two officers struggle to pull him out of the truck he has sitting in. In the driver's seat mind you.
and it looked super sketchy. The cop didn't even have a "oh shit" moment when he realized Floyd died. He looked straight in the camera while crushing his neck. To me it seemed like the cops were there to purposefully kill him. That combined with the purposeful delay in giving the ambulance info seems to make me thing that this was a planned killing.
Also Chauvin and Floyd knew each other, worked together. Why would a cop do this to his co-worker??
And yea, this has nothing to do with race at all. Race baiters are abusing that.
They could have killed him a thousand different ways that would have never seen the light of day... but you're going with the idea that their master plan was to catch him in the act of some random crime and kill him in front of as many bystanders as possible.
Not if killing while being recorded is part of the plan. Easy way to start a race war and give dems something to cry about and also "progress the no-police socialist agenda".
Even Larry Sanger, the co founder of WIkipedia finds too many weird oddities of this killing:
Do not ignore this! The MN Freedom Fund, which has raised over $20 million to bail out rioters, is headed by a Soros puppet who is also on MN's Sentencing Guidelines Commission!
Pretty impressive that they managed to find so many true believer cops that would be willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause. If they were in on it, those cops knew they would end up going to prison, and will likely be murdered in prison... and if they don't get sent to prison, they'll be murdered on the streets. They also know that their overlords could never release them from prison unless they needed to spark another public outrage, and their masters would likely be the ones to arrange their deaths in the first place so they couldn't talk. They would have to know that their lives aren't important enough to do the Epstein Shuffle.
I am beginning to think that the only difference between leftists and conservatives is faith in the media vs. skepticism in the media. I really think that might be the sole factor.
Levels as low as 3 micrograms can be fatal, according to this report about Prince’s fatal overdose.
The report says the concentration of fentanyl in Prince's blood was 67.8 micrograms per liter. The report explains that fatalities have been documented in people with blood levels ranging from three to 58 micrograms per liter.
Wrong. Not even close. The 4x is coming from a study of dead junkies plasma fentanyl levels. The range in OD’s was from like 3 to 350 ng/ml. Median was about 9. So about half the junkies had serum levels above 9. Half below. Floyd’s was 11.
The 4x is from the low end of the range, ie he had 4x a level known to cause overdose. I would have phrased it differently but that’s just me.
Plus doing meth + that amount of fentanyl is just asking for you to have a heart attack. Druggies think that speed counteracts opiates but that's... just not how it works. Doing both just makes your heart fuck up even more.
These cops were out of control man it doesnt matter who Floyd was. He clearly gave up about a minute into being face down all he had to do was move his knee down 6 inches. The man was fucking handcuffed for fucks sake.
Turns out when every person walking by is asking you what the fuck is wrong with you, you might not be fit to be a cop.
I think the left is retarded on this matter but lets not act like half of all cops arent just high school losers on a power trip. We choose the most below average among us to be police and then wonder why shit goes sideways?
Newsworthy events happen all day, every day. There is no such thing as the mythical 'slow news day.'
They really don't need to manufacture anything. They just decide the narrative in the morning, and push the whatever comes across the desk that fits through the day.
I'd say they struck gold. This is the first time I remember that they didn't run with someone who was taken down as an active threat.
Usually it's clearly intentional, rile one side up about the racism, and the other side up defending the cops who were in a dangerous situation.
It was actually out of character to pick an event that everyone universally agreed was an over the top murder.
We may be finding out now, after the fact, that the cop didn't directly cause his death, but it sure as hell looked like a brutal murder to 98% of the world.
I've gotta think it's rare for someone to get killed by police who wasn't fighting with them and resisting arrest beforehand, and it must be equally rare for someone to fight with police and resist arrest who doesn't have a rap sheet. It certainly happens (Daniel Shaver, Philando Castile), but if you're on a schedule (people are losing interest in the wu-flu and summertime's the right time for race riots before the election), you can't be picky. It doesn't really matter anyway since you just call anyone who questions it racist.
4x the lethal dose means he either ate some baggies or was fed some fentanly by police. If he had that much in his system, he wouldnt be able to walk, talk or breathe for very long.
Could it be possible that he was a very heavy user and developed a tolerance? I know heroin junkies can take doses that would otherwise be lethal to a normal person due to developed tolerance.
Obviously, I have no first hand experience with recreational fentanyl use, because I'm not an idiot.
He definitely could have built up a tolerance but thats still a lot of fentanyl. Its so potent that narc officers have to keep a narcan pen ready for themselves and their dogs because a mere sniff can cause an overdose.
Question is, did he do it to himself or was it given to him by police to set the race riots in motion?
Yes. His level was 11. The low range for possible overdose is 3 and goes up past 150. We already know this guy had used drugs off and on for at least 20 years.
I give fentanyl to patients literally every day I work. As you understand, some people can tolerate waaaayyyyyyy higher doses than others.
I’m not familiar with this new conspiracy theory that the cops drugged him, but it seems like a stretch.
That’s not exactly true. You’re suggesting the lethal level could be somewhere between 3 and 150. The ma’am or gentlemen that contributed the 150 level to the study just happened to have a fuck ton of fentanyl in his system when he died. Maybe it was suicide? Or a few decimal points misplaced. The point is, that person would have almost certainly died at 75 ng/ml, or 25 ng/ml.
Half of the OD fatalities had levels above 9. Half below 9. Thus, the LD50 is probably somewhere near 9 ng/mL. Meaning if you give 100 people (or probably more accurately ‘junkies’)... a dose leading to 9 ng/mL... half the subjects will die.
In a study of about 100 Ohio and florida fentanyl OD’s... Floyd had levels higher than over half those corpses. Keep in mind that these people likely had high developed tolerance prior to their last round.
Peak is 50 minutes after ingestion. Lets say he ingested 5mg, the peak effect at 50 minutes would be double the lethal dose. At 25 minutes he would still have a lethal amount in his system if he ingested it. If he was injected with it, it would be quicker.
Also note that if he ingested a huge amount, his blood plasma level would essentially plateau at the point he died. All the rest would remain in his GI tract. So it might not be coincidental that his level was right about the level you’d expect someone to die. Ie... anesthesia levels which are reported to be 10 to 20 ng/mL. Floyd’s level was 11.
Due to how many times he's been in prison I wouldn't doubt he ate something, he would be going away for a loooooong time, court systems hate habitual offenders and get harsher penalties as things go on
Things are really going to get fucked when the jury makes the decision to acquit the cops of all the charges. The second wave of riots is going to result in a lot of death in the streets. Floyd's prior health issues and the drugs in his system were the more likely causes of his death and there is enough reasonable doubt where intent to murder cannot be proven on the second degree murder charge. God help us all.
I hope they do, because otherwise it's a huge miscarriage of justice, and violent black criminals will get even more of a free pass to attack people without repercussions, which is already a huge fucking chronic problem right now.
I sent the autopsy report to someone I know that reviews autopsy reports for a living.
The fentanyl dose in his blood was way over the lethal dose BUT the levels in his urine were lower than in his blood meaning he had recently ingested the drugs. Most likely when he saw the cops he ate his bags of drugs and the rest is history.
Holy shit- I was wondering why Chauvin looked so confused when the cameras were rolling. Hardly anyone is THAT blatantly malicious when the cameras are rolling, Floyd is way bigger than Chauvin was, and now I'm wondering if Chauvin had put all of his weight on his right knee while holding Floyd down lightly with his left.
All the defense has to do is put doubt in the jury’s minds and he walks. Keith Ellison has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and I don’t think he will.
Fucking weird that they even brought up this in his funeral, that he didn't die from any other things other than a knee in the back.It's a weird thing to say in a funeral if you were confident in your narrative.
"Hey lets not even consider that he might've died from something else, that is just not possible because... because... racism".
It's insane that people still believe the "murder" narrative despite the guy having huge levels of two different heart attack inducing drugs, which when combined, also increases the heart attack risk of both, and that the autopsy clearly shows he died of a heart attack due to this.
Druggies think that doing meth counteracts doing opiates but that's not how it works, it puts MORE strain on your heart.
And then predictably blacks decide to be hyper violent to protest the death of a hyper violent black criminal that died because of his own stupidity.
Weird, I guess all those Antifa kids must be wearing blackface then /s
I'm not going to suck down that "conservative" MSM narrative just cause it allows me to virtue signal and neither should anyone else.
Claiming "it's all Antifa" is an easily disproven lie and I'm not a fan of lies even if they allow me to get leftist brown nose points, which I'm not interested in.
Man theres videos of black protesters asking the white little fucks why they would bring bricks or why they would tag BLM on shit. Yeah there are black people involved but stop being ignorant and acting like its only blacks out there. Be better than the left
Youre in a Trump forum being downvoted for being ignorant about race, let that sink in and try to look at this objectively. If you still feel the evil protesters are all black then so be it but at least give it a second look.
This is the story that idiots who fell for the murder story are trying to use to make themselves feel better about getting duped.
They just can't possibly accept that the knee is allowed. It's an Israeli technique, and our cops pay to be trained by Israeli "counterterrorism" operators.
This right here is the most important question: Is the knee on the neck a specific, explicit taught police technique for subduing a dangerouss and out of control suspect or was the officer acting well outside of guidelines? Any cops know?
what a shitshow this whole dem hijacked incident is ......rip to Floyd but at 6 foot 6 , 250lb and a long history of violent crime plus the above detailed health info, was it really worth setting the fucking world on fire?
In it, It shows his blood content of fentanyl to be 11ng/ml. Based on the research I did on the profile of fentanyl (see here:https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/fentanyl ), which shows a regular max dose (on average for pain) to be given at 1.5ng/ml every 1.5 hours, I think we can safely say it was 4x a normal dose although I didn't see what an overdose is considered. Generally, in anesthesia, a dose of 10 to 20ng/ml is given and that is to put you under (usually combined with another anesthetic).
This is why we don't lynch people. This is why we have the rule of law and due process and not indiscriminate "peaceful" protests full of destruction and burnt cars.
You also know he’s been in and out of prison multiple times for drug offenses and once for breaking and entering and threatening a pregnant woman with a gun? He’s no stranger to law enforcement. And thousands of people mourned him today, including women.
I don't agree. I do agree that he is the DFL's patsy, but I don't think he was in on any plan. It doesn't explain the high fentanyl in the toxicology report.
We all know he had a medical emergency tied to his drug use. The knee on the neck has virtually nothing to do with his death. We are not fucking retarded morons.
I wonder if facts will ever become vogue again. I am ok with charging the cop maybe with medical negligence or something. But murder my God.
THey also don't mention that if it weren't for the covid related lay offs he'd have been working and never would have had to resort to passing off funny money.
Defense is going to have a field day with this case. Proving Chauvin purposely murdered George Floyd when there is no evidence that Chauvin planned or even wanted to murder him. IT was a tragic accident and further exasperated by Floyd'd health and drug issues.
if joe q average sees a photo/video of floyd on the floor with a police officer's knee on floyd's neck, average joe does not stop to think about why floyd was on the floor in the first place....it is not normal to be on the floor...something must have happened to get floyd on the floor....theft, drugs, resisting arrest, being a nuisance and threat to the public....
I hate the whole "dindu nuffin" bit but it is accurate in this scenario. I hate that no one is willing to say "HMMMMM MAYBE THE DRUGS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT" because they don't want to be (gasp!) called a 'racist'.
Not only does fentanyl cause realities distress...
The autopsy shows Floyd had #SicklecellTrait in his red blood cells ... which means he couldn’t oxygenate his blood as well #AND he had Covid19 and showed respiratory damage from it.
That's just the story they're going to use to get that cop off the hook so they can have another round of burning down cities.
The best theory I've heard so far is that the bar in which they both worked, was a front for human trafficking, drugs, and counterfeiting.
when Covid broke out, George Floyd was out of work. He started cashing those counterfeit bills they were making together and he was drawing way too much attention to their group. He had to be killed.
Doesnt matter. The cop knelt on his neck for almost 10 minutes. The real problem is they are going to go for charges that are too harsh that a good defense team, and he will have a good one pro bono, will eviscerate. Chaos when he walks, just like every time a prosecutor tries to make a name for themself.
Now we know he put a gun against a pregnant womans belly a crime that put him in prison for 5 years, multiple felonies, on fentanyl during the arrest... this bs martyr will disappear in a week just like masks and covid fear. Amazing how the world is manipulated.
Was trying to tell so many pedes on here NOT to call it murder. The guy sentenced himself to death well before the cuffs or knees were ever in place. Per usual, this is yet another dead black dude in a long line of dead black dudes the Left was chomping at the bit to exploit.
Wise up and think less like a cuckservative and more like a pede.
OMG I'm convinced, it all makes sense I believe he was murdered with fentanyl,not strangulation but they knew he would die if they sat there long enough, the first autopsy said he didn't die of asphyxiation, remember? the officer knew about it, knew he would be acquitted because that was the plan, then there will be more riots right about election time. how can we stop this.
If true, this is really going to make that murder charge that they upped on the officers look really really hard to convict. Should have gone with manslaughter. Prepare for the next BLM protest in November.
that is another part of my argument, he was already dying at that point, he's 6'6" and 250 pounds he cold have flung that guy off him at any time if he wanted too, all four of them especially when your testosterone kicks in fight or flight is real, women have lifted cars off of their babies, if you're being murdered, you fight, if you're having an overdose, you don't
Well guess we figured out why they elevated that charge now. They want an excuse for when the cop gets off from charges when the toxicology report is put in front of the jury.
My mom called me yesterday and ask, “why did the police have him down” she said all she sees on the news is an officer on his neck and then pictures talking about how he was an amazing man. She has yet to see any before videos or after videos, just the knee on the neck. She said she felt bad for him because of how the media portrayed him as a saint. Needless to say I told her the truth. But she is proof of how damaging the media can be and how convincing they can be. My mom loves our President and everything he’s doing but at times it’s hard for her too tell the difference between truth and lies, she’s 80 and at least she questions things.
I am actually curious too on what actually happened to get Floyd on the ground. I have seen 3 videos but none show what exactly happened before him on the ground with the knee on his neck.
8:14 p.m. – Kueng and Lane attempt to walk Floyd to their squad car, but Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground and told the officers he was claustrophobic. Chauvin and Thoa arrive in a separate squad car.
The officers make several attempts to get Floyd into the squad car, but he struggles with officers. While standing outside the car, Floyd begins saying and repeating that he cannot breathe. Chauvin tries to get Floyd into the squad car with help from Lane and Kueng.
8:19 p.m. – Chauvin pulls Floyd out of the squad car. Floyd goes to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng holds his back and Lane holds his legs. Chauvin presses his knee onto Floyds neck. Floyd repeats, “I can’t breathe.”
At one point, Lane asks, “Should we roll him on his side?” and Chauvin says no. Lane says he is worried about “excited delirium” Chauvin responds, “that’s why we have him on his stomach." None of the three officers moved from their positions.
8:24 p.m. – Body camera video shows Floyd stop moving.
8:25 p.m. – Body camera video appears to show Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Kueng checked Floyd’s pulse and says he cannot find one. None of the officers moved from their positions.
8:27 p.m. – Chauvin removes his knee from Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and paramedics arrives and the officers place Floyd on a gurney.
9:25 p.m. – Floyd was pronounced dead at the Hennepin County Medical Center, according to the medical examiner’s report.
8:27 p.m. – Chauvin removes his knee from Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and paramedics arrives and the officers place Floyd on a gurney.
This isn't exactly accurate. Chauvin kept his knee on his neck even after the ambulance had arrived (there were NO EMTs from the ambulance and they made zero efforts at reviving Floyd). Chauvin kept his knee until the body was put on the gurney. This is exactly why I think Chauvin was there to kill Floyd pre-meditated and not an accident.
All that stuff occurred in about the same minute. They just aren't giving a second by second breakdown. The gutter is no place to try to resuscitate Floyd when their fancy monitors and life-saving equipment is seconds away inside his ride to the ER. He may have still had a faint pulse undetectable by the notoriously inaccurate finger trick, shouldn't do CPR on the living you know.
Also there is no indication of malice on Chauvin's part. The voice scolding Floyd "bruv, get up and get in the car right man, you cant win, I saw the whole thing" is a black bystander, not Chauvin. They had him down waiting for the ambulance already called because Floyd prevented all four officers from forcing him into the car, they were concerned with "excited delirium" (retard strength). Chauvin probably didn't have any pressure on his neck later on just doing an awkward knee version of hover hand. Probably afraid he'd look as if the knee were actually a problem, removing it entirely after Floyd goes still. Floyd had even collapsed once feeling "claustrophobic" before Chauvin even arrived on scene.
The visible restraint has everyone's attention in the belated video, but the invisible drugs and heart attack were what killed Floyd. He was probably a dead man walking before Chauvin arrived.
Fentanyl as a powerful narcotic suppresses the respiratory center of the brain...Floyd may have been ODing causing breathing problems and delirium. Floyd I heard was 6'6"...so he was a large well built man but he was dying before the knee to the neck.
Yup, and all the bystanders, agitated by years of media race-baiting and fear-mongering, could see to blame was Chauvin resorting to a knee-hold to restrain a powerful drug-fueled and irrational suspect already in his death throes. The cops, if they can get a fair trial, will not only be acquitted but probably be entitled to wrongful termination and defamation settlements over the hysteria.
How the hell are they going to choose a jury for this? The fact that he had another officer tell him that he could not find a pulse, yet he kept pressure on him is the biggest evidence of wrongdoing. He also has no obligation to trust bystanders but he had like 5 people saying that the guy was clearly dying. I think what will happen is that they will find some little thing in the protocol that Chauvin did wrong and accuse him on that. Regardless of what it is, it will never appease the mob and we will see a second wave of riots, but this time far less people will be on their side as new facts come out.
Floyd was a past cocaine user and smoker. He also tested postive of COVID19 so his lungs were in awful shape.
Yeah it was normal for them to remove him from the ground and get him into the ambulance. The first thing you do is move the person to a safe area. A road is definitely not considered safe, even if you are next to a cop car.
I think he was theorizing on the malice part because they knew each other. Floyd and chauvin both worked as security at the same bar for a while. Some people theorize there was a personal beef there because, honestly what are the fucking odds?
That's based on the dubious premise Chauvin's knee even contributed to his death at all. You could argue them knowing each other got him preferential treatment and the early ambulance call or is the only reason he wasn't pepper sprayed or tazed during his struggles as well.
lol. Yes, classic knee to the back of the spine to asphyxiate someone ... Would have to be the most retarded assassination attempt ever and highly likely to fail.
Agreed, this is absurd. You can’t compress the airway from pressure to the back of the neck while on a hard flat surface.
So in other words, he pretty much choked on his own spit and had a heart attack. None of the cops had a brain cell among them to provide any sense of first aid. The dude was possibly already in a state of shock. Hence why he wasnt able to move the way they wanted him. They viewed it as resisting arrest.
However foaming at the mouth, lethargic and somewhat unresponsive to verbal but was responsive to physical points that the cops fucked up and read the situation wrong.
The ambulance came within 5 mins after he passed out. I am not sure what cops are required to do medically.
Some of that will be valid during the trial.
It was a hit. Floyd probably witnessed Cauvin doing something very illegal at the club they both worked at. Maybe threatened Chauvin by saying he was going to talk. Who knows. Needs more investigation.
Besides people collecting open source facts, that is about the only useful statement I have read about this whole FUBAR SNAFU
Do officers have any basic first aid training? If not, that might be a good place to start. If they just stopped right there and started CPR the whole optics of this situation would look way different.
He'd still be dead either way, but yeah better optics.
I can only speculate lawyers and insurers would push for dept policy to prohibit officers from impersonating EMTs or treating suspects like patients. Sounds like the kind of red tape democrats would impose. And again they're not equipped for it. Just because Kueng couldn't find a pulse with his finger doesn't mean he didn't still have one, weakened by the fentanyl. They're already accused of "keeping pressure on him" although we can't see for sure if Chauvin is being anything but gentle with him. What if they go pounding on his chest and stop his heart or break loose a clot from his clogged arteries causing a stroke? Other than the democrat narrative of racist killer cops everywhere, we have no good reason to assume they weren't being careful of his health.
Floyd also said, “can I have some water” and several other things.... NoT just “i Can’t breathe)
Yup, having the breath to talk while feeling like you can't breathe and his other symptoms is a lot more in line with drugs and a heart attack than being choked to death. I think they were just hitting the highlights here, the editorial along with the sauce was all about blaming the cops anyway.
I remember seeing him resisting some when taking him out of the car but don’t know exactly why they stopped him.
Wondering if he spit at any of them...thats a sure way to piss off a cop
No indication they were pissed or mean. The voice heard scolding "bruv, get up and get in the car right man, you can't win, I saw the whole thing." was a black bystander, not Chauvin. They gave up on moving him while waiting for the ambulance before the video even began because all four of them couldn't force him into the car. They were concerned about his "excited delirium" (retard strength).
The police body cam and audio needs to be released in a timeline narration....of the entire incident.
Probably too late now anyway. Everybody is already fixated on their bias fueled first impressions. Somebody insisted to me they could read Chauvin's lips while "taunting floyd to get up" despite Chauvin's entire face being hidden behind the car while that exchange between Floyd and the bystander takes place. I know it colored my perception while I was initially under the mistaken impression Chauvin talked like a horror movie redneck. They're probably too afraid to appear as defending the cops right now, as well as not meddling with the eventual court case.
Here is a NYT video that was well done, they try to give a time sequence and stabilize bystander footage. The video is disturbing and brutal, but there is no overt racism.
"Police Brutality Matters" <-- what everyone should be scrawling on walls.
Not everything is about race.
That video is telling you a story, not the story.
Watching unedited footage, it looks a lot more like Floyd kicked his way out of the other door. The officers on the sidewalk side were obviously pushing, until the moment they run to the other side.
When the show you the policy on neck restraints, they highlight what they want you to see, and fucking blur out the rest of the page that contradicts what they're saying.
They don't show it taking two officers struggle to pull him out of the truck he has sitting in. In the driver's seat mind you.
Edit: related info
scroll down to 5-311 Hand book neck restraint procedure from Minneapolis.
This explains why he was being restrained that way
That is a good article, wow. If all of that is true Chauvin would walk in a fair trial.
Keith Hakim aka Ellison is the AG prosecuting this so its going to be anything but fair. He's an Antifa supporter and a wife beater.
Thank you for that video. I have seen another 10 minute full video here:
https://youtu.be/jzZYfvFW-LM
and it looked super sketchy. The cop didn't even have a "oh shit" moment when he realized Floyd died. He looked straight in the camera while crushing his neck. To me it seemed like the cops were there to purposefully kill him. That combined with the purposeful delay in giving the ambulance info seems to make me thing that this was a planned killing.
Also Chauvin and Floyd knew each other, worked together. Why would a cop do this to his co-worker??
And yea, this has nothing to do with race at all. Race baiters are abusing that.
They could have killed him a thousand different ways that would have never seen the light of day... but you're going with the idea that their master plan was to catch him in the act of some random crime and kill him in front of as many bystanders as possible.
...come on, man.
Not if killing while being recorded is part of the plan. Easy way to start a race war and give dems something to cry about and also "progress the no-police socialist agenda".
Even Larry Sanger, the co founder of WIkipedia finds too many weird oddities of this killing:
https://twitter.com/lsanger/status/1267841349740625923
Also note this:
https://thedonald.win/p/FgCT9LWS/do-not-ignore-this-the-mn-freedo/c/
Pretty impressive that they managed to find so many true believer cops that would be willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause. If they were in on it, those cops knew they would end up going to prison, and will likely be murdered in prison... and if they don't get sent to prison, they'll be murdered on the streets. They also know that their overlords could never release them from prison unless they needed to spark another public outrage, and their masters would likely be the ones to arrange their deaths in the first place so they couldn't talk. They would have to know that their lives aren't important enough to do the Epstein Shuffle.
Their lives are forfeit.
No, I think the left just got lucky.
Not if the cops are being blackmailed.
Well? Doesn't that answer your own question?
They're hiding something come on wake the fuck up pedes.
I am beginning to think that the only difference between leftists and conservatives is faith in the media vs. skepticism in the media. I really think that might be the sole factor.
It doesn't help that Hannity and Rush are both jumping the gun as well.
He's also a career criminal thug who had a gun on a pregnant woman then beat her ....but ya know -- the less you know ,,,, ALL HAIL GEORGE FLOYD!
I think he had .11 mcg in him and fatalities can be caused by as low as .07mcg. Not sure where the 4X is coming from.
Levels as low as 3 micrograms can be fatal, according to this report about Prince’s fatal overdose.
Tolerance matters a lot.
it’s all about reasonable doubt in a court of law. and this alone will prevent a murder charge from sticking.
Prince is not 6’6”, he was a tyke. Even with his decades of drug use his body mass alone was the major factor in him oding
These numbers account for body size.
3 ng per mL is the same level in both a baby and an adult. The amount you’d need to administer to reach that level would be different though.
Very true. It does scale proportionally using that unit of measurement. If per mL indicates mL of bodily fluids.
Plasma (or blood to be less specific).
Wrong. Not even close. The 4x is coming from a study of dead junkies plasma fentanyl levels. The range in OD’s was from like 3 to 350 ng/ml. Median was about 9. So about half the junkies had serum levels above 9. Half below. Floyd’s was 11.
The 4x is from the low end of the range, ie he had 4x a level known to cause overdose. I would have phrased it differently but that’s just me.
He also had Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL in his system among other things.
I think he ate his bag of drugs when the cops approached him.
Plus doing meth + that amount of fentanyl is just asking for you to have a heart attack. Druggies think that speed counteracts opiates but that's... just not how it works. Doing both just makes your heart fuck up even more.
He had only a trace amount of meth in him when he died. Likely took it in the 3-7 days prior.
These cops were out of control man it doesnt matter who Floyd was. He clearly gave up about a minute into being face down all he had to do was move his knee down 6 inches. The man was fucking handcuffed for fucks sake.
Turns out when every person walking by is asking you what the fuck is wrong with you, you might not be fit to be a cop.
I think the left is retarded on this matter but lets not act like half of all cops arent just high school losers on a power trip. We choose the most below average among us to be police and then wonder why shit goes sideways?
Newsworthy events happen all day, every day. There is no such thing as the mythical 'slow news day.'
They really don't need to manufacture anything. They just decide the narrative in the morning, and push the whatever comes across the desk that fits through the day.
They couldn't even wait for a guy that wasn't a criminal, they ran with what they had, the time was right to capitalize on this narrative.
I'd say they struck gold. This is the first time I remember that they didn't run with someone who was taken down as an active threat.
Usually it's clearly intentional, rile one side up about the racism, and the other side up defending the cops who were in a dangerous situation.
It was actually out of character to pick an event that everyone universally agreed was an over the top murder.
We may be finding out now, after the fact, that the cop didn't directly cause his death, but it sure as hell looked like a brutal murder to 98% of the world.
You’d be waiting a long time to see the death-by-cop of someone who isn’t a criminal.
False arrests of good law-abiding citizens do happen on occasion (probably every day) but law abiding citizens don’t violently resist arrest.
I've gotta think it's rare for someone to get killed by police who wasn't fighting with them and resisting arrest beforehand, and it must be equally rare for someone to fight with police and resist arrest who doesn't have a rap sheet. It certainly happens (Daniel Shaver, Philando Castile), but if you're on a schedule (people are losing interest in the wu-flu and summertime's the right time for race riots before the election), you can't be picky. It doesn't really matter anyway since you just call anyone who questions it racist.
Do a websearch for Summer Of The Shark from 01. Shark attacks were down but the media freaked people out. My first young eye opener on fake news
So this is the start of the Summer of BLM.....
Season 5. Global Edition.
No, it was just a repeat felon drug addict with heart disease.
Let’s compromise and call it a COVID19 death.
4x the lethal dose means he either ate some baggies or was fed some fentanly by police. If he had that much in his system, he wouldnt be able to walk, talk or breathe for very long.
Well... he wasn't able to walk, talk or breathe for very long.
Gonna need some milk for that spice
Too soon?
No such thing
Could it be possible that he was a very heavy user and developed a tolerance? I know heroin junkies can take doses that would otherwise be lethal to a normal person due to developed tolerance.
Obviously, I have no first hand experience with recreational fentanyl use, because I'm not an idiot.
He definitely could have built up a tolerance but thats still a lot of fentanyl. Its so potent that narc officers have to keep a narcan pen ready for themselves and their dogs because a mere sniff can cause an overdose.
Question is, did he do it to himself or was it given to him by police to set the race riots in motion?
Yes. His level was 11. The low range for possible overdose is 3 and goes up past 150. We already know this guy had used drugs off and on for at least 20 years.
I give fentanyl to patients literally every day I work. As you understand, some people can tolerate waaaayyyyyyy higher doses than others.
I’m not familiar with this new conspiracy theory that the cops drugged him, but it seems like a stretch.
That’s not exactly true. You’re suggesting the lethal level could be somewhere between 3 and 150. The ma’am or gentlemen that contributed the 150 level to the study just happened to have a fuck ton of fentanyl in his system when he died. Maybe it was suicide? Or a few decimal points misplaced. The point is, that person would have almost certainly died at 75 ng/ml, or 25 ng/ml.
Half of the OD fatalities had levels above 9. Half below 9. Thus, the LD50 is probably somewhere near 9 ng/mL. Meaning if you give 100 people (or probably more accurately ‘junkies’)... a dose leading to 9 ng/mL... half the subjects will die.
In a study of about 100 Ohio and florida fentanyl OD’s... Floyd had levels higher than over half those corpses. Keep in mind that these people likely had high developed tolerance prior to their last round.
No way man, he was a gud boi and dindu nuffin, just ignore his mile long rap sheet and previous crimes /s
Man people simping for this piece of shit piss me off.
That was my first thought. Apparently he can be seen dropping something in one of the videos.
Peak effect after ingesting fentanyl is 50 to 150 min.
Peak is 50 minutes after ingestion. Lets say he ingested 5mg, the peak effect at 50 minutes would be double the lethal dose. At 25 minutes he would still have a lethal amount in his system if he ingested it. If he was injected with it, it would be quicker.
I wrote a fair bit about this last night.
https://thedonald.win/p/FysW0S4B/floyd-oded-case-closed-/
Also note that if he ingested a huge amount, his blood plasma level would essentially plateau at the point he died. All the rest would remain in his GI tract. So it might not be coincidental that his level was right about the level you’d expect someone to die. Ie... anesthesia levels which are reported to be 10 to 20 ng/mL. Floyd’s level was 11.
In the study I read, the peak ranged from 50 to 150 min, just saying.
It would be near instantaneous if he injected into a vein. If he missed the vein it would be slower, but still much faster than Gi absorption.
Due to how many times he's been in prison I wouldn't doubt he ate something, he would be going away for a loooooong time, court systems hate habitual offenders and get harsher penalties as things go on
This is describing an IV injection. Completely different story if you eat it.
Things are really going to get fucked when the jury makes the decision to acquit the cops of all the charges. The second wave of riots is going to result in a lot of death in the streets. Floyd's prior health issues and the drugs in his system were the more likely causes of his death and there is enough reasonable doubt where intent to murder cannot be proven on the second degree murder charge. God help us all.
I called it since like day 2
I hope they do, because otherwise it's a huge miscarriage of justice, and violent black criminals will get even more of a free pass to attack people without repercussions, which is already a huge fucking chronic problem right now.
I sent the autopsy report to someone I know that reviews autopsy reports for a living.
The fentanyl dose in his blood was way over the lethal dose BUT the levels in his urine were lower than in his blood meaning he had recently ingested the drugs. Most likely when he saw the cops he ate his bags of drugs and the rest is history.
This is a lethal dose of fentanyl for of you that don’t know. https://blog.drugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/fentanyl-lethal-dose.jpg
Holy shit- I was wondering why Chauvin looked so confused when the cameras were rolling. Hardly anyone is THAT blatantly malicious when the cameras are rolling, Floyd is way bigger than Chauvin was, and now I'm wondering if Chauvin had put all of his weight on his right knee while holding Floyd down lightly with his left.
All the defense has to do is put doubt in the jury’s minds and he walks. Keith Ellison has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and I don’t think he will.
Chauvin is just a patsy for the DFL at this point. Minnesota is beyond fucked.
Well I went into this thread thinking he was either paid or internally motivated to kill him. So yall won me over to the reasonable doubt side.
Thanks for this information.
Well, his attorney Crump said that's irrelevant, you fucking rayciss. /s
all that with fentanyl
Did he have sickle cell, too?
Yes. Read the full autopsy report here
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf
Fucking weird that they even brought up this in his funeral, that he didn't die from any other things other than a knee in the back.It's a weird thing to say in a funeral if you were confident in your narrative.
"Hey lets not even consider that he might've died from something else, that is just not possible because... because... racism".
Racism is now defined as watching a liberal eat shit.
It's insane that people still believe the "murder" narrative despite the guy having huge levels of two different heart attack inducing drugs, which when combined, also increases the heart attack risk of both, and that the autopsy clearly shows he died of a heart attack due to this.
Druggies think that doing meth counteracts doing opiates but that's not how it works, it puts MORE strain on your heart.
And then predictably blacks decide to be hyper violent to protest the death of a hyper violent black criminal that died because of his own stupidity.
its not the blacks being violent man. Its white soyboy antifa fucks starting a mob mentality and literally bringing bricks
Weird, I guess all those Antifa kids must be wearing blackface then /s
I'm not going to suck down that "conservative" MSM narrative just cause it allows me to virtue signal and neither should anyone else.
Claiming "it's all Antifa" is an easily disproven lie and I'm not a fan of lies even if they allow me to get leftist brown nose points, which I'm not interested in.
Man theres videos of black protesters asking the white little fucks why they would bring bricks or why they would tag BLM on shit. Yeah there are black people involved but stop being ignorant and acting like its only blacks out there. Be better than the left
It's mostly blacks out there, but you're furthering the MSM psyop claiming otherwise.
Youre in a Trump forum being downvoted for being ignorant about race, let that sink in and try to look at this objectively. If you still feel the evil protesters are all black then so be it but at least give it a second look.
This is the story that idiots who fell for the murder story are trying to use to make themselves feel better about getting duped.
They just can't possibly accept that the knee is allowed. It's an Israeli technique, and our cops pay to be trained by Israeli "counterterrorism" operators.
They can't accept that Floyd was a piece of shit.
This right here is the most important question: Is the knee on the neck a specific, explicit taught police technique for subduing a dangerouss and out of control suspect or was the officer acting well outside of guidelines? Any cops know?
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-knee-on-neck-long-a-staple-of-israel-s-occupation-of-palestine-36787
https://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-experts-say-neck-restraint-allowed-minneapolis-can-kill/5274334002/
So approved by MN police, but nationally grey area. Sounds like just the kind of nuanced situation we should have let a fucking court handle.
Stop paying Israel to train our cops.
Israelis see Palestinians as subhumans, and the techniques they use on the Palestinians reflect that.
I mean....they're not wrong.
Muslims launch rockets into schools and neighborhoods, they shoot up markets full of families, they shoot up school yards.
They've earned the reputation they have in the eyes of Israelis.
Thank you for this, the lady narrating the NYT video was mystified by that ("We don't know why.") and so was I.
what a shitshow this whole dem hijacked incident is ......rip to Floyd but at 6 foot 6 , 250lb and a long history of violent crime plus the above detailed health info, was it really worth setting the fucking world on fire?
They're honoring his memory of gang-violence and theft, but engaging in gang-violence and theft.
Can anyone confirm the 4x claim?
Here is what I found out. His full autopsy report is within this article:
https://www.kare11.com/amp/article/news/local/george-floyd/hennepin-county-medical-examiner-releases-george-floyds-full-autopsy-results/89-2f8e7de2-2cfa-4b37-9235-c4c045f497d6
In it, It shows his blood content of fentanyl to be 11ng/ml. Based on the research I did on the profile of fentanyl (see here:https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/fentanyl ), which shows a regular max dose (on average for pain) to be given at 1.5ng/ml every 1.5 hours, I think we can safely say it was 4x a normal dose although I didn't see what an overdose is considered. Generally, in anesthesia, a dose of 10 to 20ng/ml is given and that is to put you under (usually combined with another anesthetic).
See one of my earlier responses in this thread if you can find it. It’s sort of true. He had a lethal level of fentanyl though, that’s for sure.
So he was killed by Chy-Na
This is why we don't lynch people. This is why we have the rule of law and due process and not indiscriminate "peaceful" protests full of destruction and burnt cars.
Yeah I kept calling it on Reddit but Reddit wants to lynch him.
You also know he’s been in and out of prison multiple times for drug offenses and once for breaking and entering and threatening a pregnant woman with a gun? He’s no stranger to law enforcement. And thousands of people mourned him today, including women.
What if Chauvin had all of his weight on his right knee, and not left?
he's gonna get off that was the plan, he's in on it. no one in their right mind sits there and murders someone while it's all being filmed
I don't agree. I do agree that he is the DFL's patsy, but I don't think he was in on any plan. It doesn't explain the high fentanyl in the toxicology report.
We all know he had a medical emergency tied to his drug use. The knee on the neck has virtually nothing to do with his death. We are not fucking retarded morons.
I wonder if facts will ever become vogue again. I am ok with charging the cop maybe with medical negligence or something. But murder my God.
THey also don't mention that if it weren't for the covid related lay offs he'd have been working and never would have had to resort to passing off funny money.
Defense is going to have a field day with this case. Proving Chauvin purposely murdered George Floyd when there is no evidence that Chauvin planned or even wanted to murder him. IT was a tragic accident and further exasperated by Floyd'd health and drug issues.
Acquittal, riots, in October, election too dangerous mail in ballots all, hello socialism
if joe q average sees a photo/video of floyd on the floor with a police officer's knee on floyd's neck, average joe does not stop to think about why floyd was on the floor in the first place....it is not normal to be on the floor...something must have happened to get floyd on the floor....theft, drugs, resisting arrest, being a nuisance and threat to the public....
Of course he was on drugs.
I hate the whole "dindu nuffin" bit but it is accurate in this scenario. I hate that no one is willing to say "HMMMMM MAYBE THE DRUGS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT" because they don't want to be (gasp!) called a 'racist'.
So.... Chyna killed a black man?
Not only does fentanyl cause realities distress...
The autopsy shows Floyd had #SicklecellTrait in his red blood cells ... which means he couldn’t oxygenate his blood as well #AND he had Covid19 and showed respiratory damage from it.
Listen, he wouldn’t have died if the cop didn’t put his knee on his neck for 9 minutes.
The cop wouldn’t have had to put his knee on his neck for 9 minutes if he wasn’t fucked up on drugs (and spending counterfeit bills).
The cop was immediately responsible for his death, but he died because of drugs. But he didn’t overdose.
That's just the story they're going to use to get that cop off the hook so they can have another round of burning down cities.
The best theory I've heard so far is that the bar in which they both worked, was a front for human trafficking, drugs, and counterfeiting.
when Covid broke out, George Floyd was out of work. He started cashing those counterfeit bills they were making together and he was drawing way too much attention to their group. He had to be killed.
I wonder how bad the riots for the acquittal are going to be
Doesnt matter. The cop knelt on his neck for almost 10 minutes. The real problem is they are going to go for charges that are too harsh that a good defense team, and he will have a good one pro bono, will eviscerate. Chaos when he walks, just like every time a prosecutor tries to make a name for themself.
He had levels higher than more than half the studied fentanyl overdose cases (likely in highly opioid tolerant addicts, ie non-naive).
Now we know he put a gun against a pregnant womans belly a crime that put him in prison for 5 years, multiple felonies, on fentanyl during the arrest... this bs martyr will disappear in a week just like masks and covid fear. Amazing how the world is manipulated.
Should be laws that the media can't knowingly hide the truth or lie
Was trying to tell so many pedes on here NOT to call it murder. The guy sentenced himself to death well before the cuffs or knees were ever in place. Per usual, this is yet another dead black dude in a long line of dead black dudes the Left was chomping at the bit to exploit.
Wise up and think less like a cuckservative and more like a pede.
4 times the lethal dose for an addict or a non tolerant individual? Tolerance is a bitch and means nothing.
Though it does lend credence to the rumor he swallowed a bag of drugs as he was arrested.
I saw someone having a heart attack IRL at an event once. There was foam around the mouth.
HE WAS A GOOD BOI
OMG I'm convinced, it all makes sense I believe he was murdered with fentanyl,not strangulation but they knew he would die if they sat there long enough, the first autopsy said he didn't die of asphyxiation, remember? the officer knew about it, knew he would be acquitted because that was the plan, then there will be more riots right about election time. how can we stop this.
If true, this is really going to make that murder charge that they upped on the officers look really really hard to convict. Should have gone with manslaughter. Prepare for the next BLM protest in November.
Starting to seem like bad timing on the officers behalf...
but if you remember Minneapolis PD admitted that they trained their police to restrain people in this way
that is another part of my argument, he was already dying at that point, he's 6'6" and 250 pounds he cold have flung that guy off him at any time if he wanted too, all four of them especially when your testosterone kicks in fight or flight is real, women have lifted cars off of their babies, if you're being murdered, you fight, if you're having an overdose, you don't
Well guess we figured out why they elevated that charge now. They want an excuse for when the cop gets off from charges when the toxicology report is put in front of the jury.
But that cant be....i just now saw a headline with a picture of him that said "He Changed the World"......lol..
Given his criminal history... his age... the numbers of years he was looking at in prison if convicted of a Federal Crime of counterfitting...
What incentive did he have to just go to jail?
Also...
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SECRET SERVICE IN THIS? THEY HAVE TWO JOBS. PROTECT THE PRESIDENT AND WATCH THE MONEY.
Just another leftist psyop.
So anyone can take a lethal dose of drugs and die while in police custody and the police get the blame? Good to know.