The authors of the paper didn't even get to see the raw data from this fake company
They're just now preparing an NDA for the authors to check out the data
The "authors" sent a paper for publication they didn't verify. No one at the Lancet thought to ask. No one in the review process bothered to ask such a simple question
Chicago-based Surgisphere has not publicly released the data underlying the studies, but today Desai told Science through a spokesperson that he was “arranging a nondisclosure agreement that will provide the authors of the NEJM paper with the data access requested by NEJM.”
I was taught that science (Science!) depended on the free flow of information (e.g. data) and that should be available for everyone. But when even the authors in elite journals don't look at the data, it shows we are very far from that ideal.
People have this ideal image of peer review where the experiment is meticulously recreated and the data verified in order to be published in a journal, in reality peer review is a professor checking that their methodology looks good enough between weeder class lectures. If you want to recreate the experiment that comes after it is published, most aren't, and there is actually a crisis of failing to reproduce experiments. Published social "science" studies might as well be op ed. And that's what this is disguised as a clinical trial.
Peer review is essentially a process of bribery for the majority of the reviewers. A buddy of theirs needs some more citations for their paper so you cite them. Some people actually go in and really look at the data but mostly it's just rewriting a sentence 20 times so it says exactly the same thing but with different words.
I've read enough papers in my undergrad days to know that you can't recreate shit from most of the crap that is published. Documentation in the methodologies sections are so half assed that you wouldn't know how they did what. It is guaranteed that everyone attempting to recreate an experiment would have wildly different approaches.
The only things you can really hope to glean from these types of scientific papers is their data and conclusions.
Peer review is BS. The "reviewers" are either pals of the publishers of the paper, or their employees, or their supervisors, or someone who would like some positive "peer review" for their own papers in return for the favor.
Scientists have no obligation to look at the data or take it seriously. Scientists don't have skin in the game. They are totally immune to the consequences of their work. If thousands die because a scientist made an error in his research, nothing will happen to the scientist. At most, he'll have to publish a retraction, say "errors were made", say that this is how science progresses, maybe throw a joke in between. He might even end with an award. Compare with the engineer. If the plane crashes or the bridge collapses, the engineer will be immediately arrested, charged with homicide, sued out of the gains from his life's work, humiliated, and prevented from working as an engineer again.
I've been amused be leading universities posting data and reports that contradict the media narrative in multiple cases and finding that all those reports get more or less pushed aside.
Well, yes, obviously. But I would cope by finally buying a couple acres of prime land somewhere nice and far away and create the environment I want to live in
I mean, we'd like to be better but the first step of that process is truthfully accepting where you are currently, which is 99.999% going to be a pretty damn low starting point. It's pretty hard to come to terms with the fact that you aren't as good or virtuous as like to tell yourself.
And no one in the MSM will cover this except maybe Tucker. The Lancet is telling the truth, if by "acting in good faith" they mean weaponizing lifesaving medicine for political purposes.
The leftist politicization of science has really hurt the credibility of all science. After these frauds and the grossly inaccurate virology models predicting the spread and mortality of the Chinese virus how are they going to try to sell the far less scientific climate change models? I know I will point this out to every globalist stooge promoting climate change hysteria. They are effed.
Without exaggeration this makes Charles Manson look like an amateur. JV, to quote Satan's pawn. Over 800 dead in MN nursing homes with a government edict to place infected people in nursing homes and elder care facilities "just in case" the hospitals are overrun. 9/11 doesn't even compare to this. 1st degree premeditated mass murder. There is no defense. Would YOU send an infected person to go live with the most vulnerable? "Follow the guidelines!" is not an excuse to violate the Hippocratic oath and commit crimes against humanity.
Getting sued might not be enough here tbh. The reviewers at the Lancet fucked up and fell for a scam in the same vein as the Nigerian prince emails, and potentially cost who knows how many lives.
It was never here, kiddo. There was no sudden rise in deaths. They simply subtracted the typical losses from heart disease, pneumonia, diabetes, pulmonary ailments, and sepsis. Net zero.
I think they're going to go for a deadly super-flu in the early fall. Gates was hinting around (seemed like more of a threat) that there were worse things to come.
Of course, HCQ won't do a damn thing to stop flu, so they might as well admit it works on covid now.
Once is a mistake. Twice is incompetence. Three times and now you're just lying.
When you look at the media as a whole (including scientific media), the constant flow of lies and misrepresentations indicates that this is not just an honest mistake.
They need to address why it took 13 days to retract after other scientists pointed out flaws in the study the day it was published They also need to release the names of the reviewers and the editor that accepted the bogus study for publication. Those reviewers have lost their right to anonymity. Until that happens they have not done anything except offered a near useless apology. Relatives of people who were taken off HCQ treatment as a result of the study and subsequently died should sue the Lancet and the reviewers as well as the authors. The FBI should also launch an investigation to see if any of the fraudsters had financial interests in competing treatments like Resmidvir.
Funny how this is coming out now because nobody will see it. The news will only cover the peaceful protesting and whites taking a knee and repenting their white privilege. Maybe during the wuhans second wave it will be covered. 🤡🤡
I cannot believe how corruption has seeped into every facet of society including medicine. Too much virtue signaling and too little facts.
This parallels the incident where New England journal of medicine published a “ study” that oral sex was not considered sexual by teenagers soon after Clinton Lewinsky scandal. That editor was forced to resign for being political. This Lancet chief editor If he has any integrity should also resign for being a worm inside WHO’s rectum.
These globalist do not care about you and I. They only care about power. They will do anything it takes to discredit and destroy us. Think twice before blindly listening to what academics tell you. Truth is, nobody knows everything, and the people in power are just the best at pretending like they know what they're doing. These people are losers, and they hate us. Fuck them.
This is the new redaction practice. Publish when the issue is hot and redact after it cools. Meanwhile, every unintelligent aka useful idiot has repeated the statement a hundred fold. The damages are well beyond done and redactions weeks later will be ignored.
Now that the corporate media has moved on to the ANTIFA-BLM RIOTS, the Democrats have taken the gun down from the heads of doctors and we may actually start to hear THE TRUTH ABOUT THE VIRUS. It will probably start to trickle out gradually, to try to restore their scientific credibility, and so they don’t have to continue to ignore 70 years of established medical research because it “helps Trump”. Oh and doctors and nurses want to hide their shame too. They want everyone to forget that when push came to shove, and they would have had the expertise and the moral authority to stand up to the DNC MAFIA, they bent the knee, just like the celebrities did and the sports leagues did.
It really was like Satanism, what happened to medicine.
The devil came to the doctors, split tongue hissing, and told them to LIE, to hide the cure, to suppress it, to discredit it, and they did, and they sold out their own Hippocratic Oath, and as a reward, Satan, the inverter of truth, turned their great sin into their great celebrity.
The doctors were hailed as the heroes of our society. They were gifted all the jewels and virtues of the kingdom, all the attention and adoration of the world. But that is the way a deal with Satan always ends. You may get the reward, you may win the victory, but it is a hollow reward, a bitter victory. And so was this. The nurses knew it, they felt it intuitively, and in their great shame they became literal whores before our eyes, twerking for likes in the hallways of hospitals. They knew no other path, resorting to the only other thing of value they knew they had left to offer: their hole. And the doctors sat in their offices too, with nothing to do, staring at their wall of degrees, sadly jerking off.
And yet when the TV in the cafeteria goes on, CNN is once again praising them as the heroes of the day. MSNBC says the hospitals are overflowing, filled to capacity, it is like a war zone in there. But the doctors look around and see no one. No noise. No war zone. No emergency. Quite the opposite, actually - they have stopped taking patients and no one is coming in anymore. The hospital is a ghost town.
But still - even with the truth staring them in the face - the doctors won’t give up the great lie. They won’t spill the beans. Why would they? This is their deal with the devil. They are the heroes of society now, the authorities of everyone, the experts of all, the ones who decree and the saviors they always wanted to be, and all they had to do to achieve it was betray everything they ever believed in to the bottom of their soul.
This should be the death penalty. Their lies have real consequences that can be measured in human suffering and lives. Fuck the deep state. Fuck the globalist NWO criminal cartel. Fuck em all.
Our political opposition is not just stupid and incompetent, though they are that. They are also evil. We see this reflected here as well as the fact that they rationalize looting a 40-inch plasma TV as being the solution to racism. They would gladly torch the world to embers if that's what it takes to stick it to Trump.
The authors of the paper didn't even get to see the raw data from this fake company
They're just now preparing an NDA for the authors to check out the data
The "authors" sent a paper for publication they didn't verify. No one at the Lancet thought to ask. No one in the review process bothered to ask such a simple question
(from the sciencemag copy: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling)
I was taught that science (Science!) depended on the free flow of information (e.g. data) and that should be available for everyone. But when even the authors in elite journals don't look at the data, it shows we are very far from that ideal.
People have this ideal image of peer review where the experiment is meticulously recreated and the data verified in order to be published in a journal, in reality peer review is a professor checking that their methodology looks good enough between weeder class lectures. If you want to recreate the experiment that comes after it is published, most aren't, and there is actually a crisis of failing to reproduce experiments. Published social "science" studies might as well be op ed. And that's what this is disguised as a clinical trial.
Peer review is essentially a process of bribery for the majority of the reviewers. A buddy of theirs needs some more citations for their paper so you cite them. Some people actually go in and really look at the data but mostly it's just rewriting a sentence 20 times so it says exactly the same thing but with different words.
I've read enough papers in my undergrad days to know that you can't recreate shit from most of the crap that is published. Documentation in the methodologies sections are so half assed that you wouldn't know how they did what. It is guaranteed that everyone attempting to recreate an experiment would have wildly different approaches.
The only things you can really hope to glean from these types of scientific papers is their data and conclusions.
Peer review is BS. The "reviewers" are either pals of the publishers of the paper, or their employees, or their supervisors, or someone who would like some positive "peer review" for their own papers in return for the favor.
In fact, they were blinded with it
I'd say double-blinded.
Scientists have no obligation to look at the data or take it seriously. Scientists don't have skin in the game. They are totally immune to the consequences of their work. If thousands die because a scientist made an error in his research, nothing will happen to the scientist. At most, he'll have to publish a retraction, say "errors were made", say that this is how science progresses, maybe throw a joke in between. He might even end with an award. Compare with the engineer. If the plane crashes or the bridge collapses, the engineer will be immediately arrested, charged with homicide, sued out of the gains from his life's work, humiliated, and prevented from working as an engineer again.
Reminds me of Rosenstein signing the FISA renewal
And this company creating this fake study data is the FusionGPS
And some rando outfit called Crowdstrike inspecting Hillary’s server.
And now there's this:
https://medicine.yale.edu/yigh/news-article/25085/
Gee, I wonder if either of these science journals will publish this study (lol)
I've been amused be leading universities posting data and reports that contradict the media narrative in multiple cases and finding that all those reports get more or less pushed aside.
It's because they wanted the data to be true and that is really disturbing
A)Bill Gates B)George soros C)Democrats in Congress D)all of the above
D + China
D+....more like F-
Notation systems are social constructs.
All through multiple cutouts so they are not directly implicated.
When this study came out on liarstechnica, every comment celebrated it by bashing trump.
When the retraction came out, they all said "this is how science is supposed to work, but sadly some people are going to politicize it"
Hilarious.
FYI: arstechnica is on Google's payroll as noted in the Oracle v Google copyright case headed to the SCOTUS. They stink of leftists.
Never forget that ArsTechnica also had a Pedophile as their writer for years. His name?............................................................ Dr. Pizza.
You can't make this up.
I went and read the comments on this and they are still do TDS infected, it's crazy.
Came to say this. 👆
No this is not how science is supposed to work. Shit like this is what fucks up science every fucking time.
The politicalization of science and medicine is wrong.
Unfortunately
I mean, billions of dollars are stake. The first company to get a patented drug that helps with corona is going to make so much fucking money.
What wouldn't one do for a piece of that pie?
Honestly, I would 100% participate in writing and publishing a bogus study for a couple million dollars.
I hope you'd at least feel bad about it. Lol
Well, yes, obviously. But I would cope by finally buying a couple acres of prime land somewhere nice and far away and create the environment I want to live in
Lol. That is the dream.
And this is why corruption is so pervasive. Everyone has their price.
People are people.
I mean, we'd like to be better but the first step of that process is truthfully accepting where you are currently, which is 99.999% going to be a pretty damn low starting point. It's pretty hard to come to terms with the fact that you aren't as good or virtuous as like to tell yourself.
Medical science has been screwed since 1906 when Rockefeller started funding medical colleges and removed nutrition from medical doctor training.
And no one in the MSM will cover this except maybe Tucker. The Lancet is telling the truth, if by "acting in good faith" they mean weaponizing lifesaving medicine for political purposes.
Muh Science.
Now do the climate change data.
The leftist politicization of science has really hurt the credibility of all science. After these frauds and the grossly inaccurate virology models predicting the spread and mortality of the Chinese virus how are they going to try to sell the far less scientific climate change models? I know I will point this out to every globalist stooge promoting climate change hysteria. They are effed.
If climate means 30 years, what are the words for 20 and 40 years, and beyond?
LANCET LIED, PEOPLE DIED!
Without exaggeration this makes Charles Manson look like an amateur. JV, to quote Satan's pawn. Over 800 dead in MN nursing homes with a government edict to place infected people in nursing homes and elder care facilities "just in case" the hospitals are overrun. 9/11 doesn't even compare to this. 1st degree premeditated mass murder. There is no defense. Would YOU send an infected person to go live with the most vulnerable? "Follow the guidelines!" is not an excuse to violate the Hippocratic oath and commit crimes against humanity.
People died because of their lies. I hope they are sued.
Getting sued might not be enough here tbh. The reviewers at the Lancet fucked up and fell for a scam in the same vein as the Nigerian prince emails, and potentially cost who knows how many lives.
They waited until after the COVID leg of the coup was over. Another case of fake news getting retracted after nobody cares about the story anymore.
It was never here, kiddo. There was no sudden rise in deaths. They simply subtracted the typical losses from heart disease, pneumonia, diabetes, pulmonary ailments, and sepsis. Net zero.
Oh, look. Its this faggot again
OK Doomer
I think they're going to go for a deadly super-flu in the early fall. Gates was hinting around (seemed like more of a threat) that there were worse things to come.
Of course, HCQ won't do a damn thing to stop flu, so they might as well admit it works on covid now.
I wonder if there are any major news stories going on in the meantime to downplay the significance of this moment?
Once is a mistake. Twice is incompetence. Three times and now you're just lying.
When you look at the media as a whole (including scientific media), the constant flow of lies and misrepresentations indicates that this is not just an honest mistake.
They need to address why it took 13 days to retract after other scientists pointed out flaws in the study the day it was published They also need to release the names of the reviewers and the editor that accepted the bogus study for publication. Those reviewers have lost their right to anonymity. Until that happens they have not done anything except offered a near useless apology. Relatives of people who were taken off HCQ treatment as a result of the study and subsequently died should sue the Lancet and the reviewers as well as the authors. The FBI should also launch an investigation to see if any of the fraudsters had financial interests in competing treatments like Resmidvir.
Funny how this is coming out now because nobody will see it. The news will only cover the peaceful protesting and whites taking a knee and repenting their white privilege. Maybe during the wuhans second wave it will be covered. 🤡🤡
Outrageous and we all knew it as soon as they started reporting on it.
All because they couldn't have POTUS be right about something science-related
I cannot believe how corruption has seeped into every facet of society including medicine. Too much virtue signaling and too little facts.
This parallels the incident where New England journal of medicine published a “ study” that oral sex was not considered sexual by teenagers soon after Clinton Lewinsky scandal. That editor was forced to resign for being political. This Lancet chief editor If he has any integrity should also resign for being a worm inside WHO’s rectum.
Just to note most of the comments in that rag are not American and lean to the extreme left.
bottom line: now there’s a medical-research swamp too. Just one more thing to be drained, frenz
These globalist do not care about you and I. They only care about power. They will do anything it takes to discredit and destroy us. Think twice before blindly listening to what academics tell you. Truth is, nobody knows everything, and the people in power are just the best at pretending like they know what they're doing. These people are losers, and they hate us. Fuck them.
They retract it NOW THAT THE COVID SCAM IS FUCKING PAST. They did the job they were told to do.
This is the new redaction practice. Publish when the issue is hot and redact after it cools. Meanwhile, every unintelligent aka useful idiot has repeated the statement a hundred fold. The damages are well beyond done and redactions weeks later will be ignored.
Disgusting. They should never be taken seriously again.
Oh so it only took until the hoax was over
Second study retracted
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2021225
Time for an investigation.
Time for a culling.
Now that the corporate media has moved on to the ANTIFA-BLM RIOTS, the Democrats have taken the gun down from the heads of doctors and we may actually start to hear THE TRUTH ABOUT THE VIRUS. It will probably start to trickle out gradually, to try to restore their scientific credibility, and so they don’t have to continue to ignore 70 years of established medical research because it “helps Trump”. Oh and doctors and nurses want to hide their shame too. They want everyone to forget that when push came to shove, and they would have had the expertise and the moral authority to stand up to the DNC MAFIA, they bent the knee, just like the celebrities did and the sports leagues did.
It really was like Satanism, what happened to medicine.
The devil came to the doctors, split tongue hissing, and told them to LIE, to hide the cure, to suppress it, to discredit it, and they did, and they sold out their own Hippocratic Oath, and as a reward, Satan, the inverter of truth, turned their great sin into their great celebrity.
The doctors were hailed as the heroes of our society. They were gifted all the jewels and virtues of the kingdom, all the attention and adoration of the world. But that is the way a deal with Satan always ends. You may get the reward, you may win the victory, but it is a hollow reward, a bitter victory. And so was this. The nurses knew it, they felt it intuitively, and in their great shame they became literal whores before our eyes, twerking for likes in the hallways of hospitals. They knew no other path, resorting to the only other thing of value they knew they had left to offer: their hole. And the doctors sat in their offices too, with nothing to do, staring at their wall of degrees, sadly jerking off.
And yet when the TV in the cafeteria goes on, CNN is once again praising them as the heroes of the day. MSNBC says the hospitals are overflowing, filled to capacity, it is like a war zone in there. But the doctors look around and see no one. No noise. No war zone. No emergency. Quite the opposite, actually - they have stopped taking patients and no one is coming in anymore. The hospital is a ghost town.
But still - even with the truth staring them in the face - the doctors won’t give up the great lie. They won’t spill the beans. Why would they? This is their deal with the devil. They are the heroes of society now, the authorities of everyone, the experts of all, the ones who decree and the saviors they always wanted to be, and all they had to do to achieve it was betray everything they ever believed in to the bottom of their soul.
Hate to break it to you but...
This should be the death penalty. Their lies have real consequences that can be measured in human suffering and lives. Fuck the deep state. Fuck the globalist NWO criminal cartel. Fuck em all.
The comment section is sooooo salty. I love reading them LOL
They are still justifying this fraud as fake, but accurate... LOOOOOL
It worked for other coronaviruses?
PEER REVIEWED = PAL REVIEW
SCIENCE = PAID ADVERTISEMENT
sue them
But see, it doesn't matter if their entire 'study' was completely flawed.
Pravda and the WHO ran with it and the damage is done.
There will be no front page retractions or mea culpa from Pravda or the nightly news.
Our political opposition is not just stupid and incompetent, though they are that. They are also evil. We see this reflected here as well as the fact that they rationalize looting a 40-inch plasma TV as being the solution to racism. They would gladly torch the world to embers if that's what it takes to stick it to Trump.
If it was in good faith it wouldn't have leaked out. It was a hit job, just lie all things left-wing.
Member that Lancet buuuulllshit about vaccines causing autism by Dr. Wakefield?
Pepe farms does.
ARS used to be a decent site, but as with the rest of the tech world, they have gone down the TDS rabbit hole.
I got banned twice over the same thread subject a week ago.
they simply are so blinkered, they just can't accept any contrary views.
I think we're still getting played.
Look at those comments! Ars readers (and writers!) are some of the most cucked dishonest hypocritical idiots on the internet.
This article comes after several others demonizing hcq and shilling for remdesivir.
All hail Nothingberg! Stout warrior in the HCQ-no-ZINC wars
and my axe
it was long ass blah blahs of saying we made an oopsie
They never would have retracted it if remdesivir had worked.
Well there was reported statistical manipulation of the remdesivir data as well.
The Lancet is politicized trash. Has been for a long time.
If anyone in your family was withheld HCQ and died, you need to sue these assholes for wrongful death.
It's all a scam. Everything is all lies.
Yeah, not surprised. Medicine has been lying for years. Vaccines as produced are dangerous. It's a set-up, both cause and cure owned by same people
Sacrificing science on the altar of TDS. Welcome to progressive politics in 2020.