TFW WHEN U FIND OUT A STRIPPER AND SCIFI WRITER WROTE LANCET ANTI-HCQ STUDY
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And they didn't let the named first-author (because they needed credibility for publication) review the data.
The named first author didn't bother asking for the data to review.
The peer review process dind't ask if they'd reviewed the data
The Lancet editorial staff didn't bother with a simple question "have you reviewed the data"
The implications of this fraud put the HCQ doubters on par with the anti-vaxx movement
Yeah except the anti-vaxxers are the ones with doctors backing them up and the pro-vaccers are supported by Bill Gates and Merck.
Being against forced vaccinations can have nothing to do with autism. Both my wife and I had severe reactions to vaccines, and don't want our child to experience the same. Do we not have rights in America? Freedoms?
AGREED. Vaccinate if you want, but don't expect EVERYONE to agree that they should do the same. FREEDOM.
As severe as the diseases the cure?
Have you ever watched a documentary about what Polio can do children?
I'm no science genius, but the entire movement against vaccines is not based on one retracted paper.
EXACTLY👆
Correct. It is based on one retracted study and a lot of stupid comparisons between flawed vaccines and well-made vaccines.
Not to mention, he had financial interest in a company making mercury-free vaccines, and his medical license was revoked in the UK for his part in this.
He never even tried to say all vaccines are bad, only those containing mercury. The idiot anti-vaxxers grabbed onto his bullshit and ran even further with it than he did.
Over $4B in tax-payer funds has been paid out to vaxx victims over the past few decades.
No one ever mentions that.
This was turning into an interesting discussion on vaccines. Please don't call people "idiots" just because they believe something different to you. It undermines your viewpoint and just breeds negative emotions. Calm down and state your case in a more "scientific" manner.
Yes, the whole "movement" is based on a paper that's now retracted. There's been no personal testimonies of harm. There's been no payouts to families whose child has been harmed. Remember, you should never read the insert, the pamphlet will tell you all you need to know. {Bill Gates smile} Be the first on your block to take the WuFlu vaccine. That's a good boy.
It's a lot more than "one paper," ignoring the massive amount of scientific studies and parent testimony that has happened since then is disingenuous. Watch the two Vaxxed documentaries, Del Bigtree's Vaccine Safety Project presentation, notice how pro-vax defenders never actually show up to debate these issues, they just repeat "safe and effective" ad nauseam and slander anyone who wants to ask questions.
By the way, Here is a number of tweets from Trump before he was elected questioning the link between vaccines and autism. Trump knows the truth and we should consider ourselves blessed for it.
there are so many things Trump knows, i wish he had fewer enemies and more allies to really get things going.
Apparently it's anti vax to point out that I don't feel comfortable taking a vaccine that is literally being rushed to market so fast that normal processes will be ignored and or relaxed to get it out there asap
bro, we can at least partially agree that vaccines arent always effective and are used as a money grab (flu shots are only 40% effective in the best years) but everyone is told to get one and insurance always pays 100% to the manufacturer.
but gtfo with that flat-earth stuff
People think "peer review" actually means something important. Can't be further from the truth. Peer reviewing isn't a validation of your research. It's a rough cut to see if any glaring faux pas has been committed. The actual scientific discussion happens by competing papers.
We think it's important because the entire academic profession claims peer review as the basis for checks and balances on their fields of study. If peer review is a circle jerk, the academics need to stop committing fraud by claiming peer review is anything other than a old-boys-club rubber stamp.
2 weeks of "peer review" after it was published raised these questions
These are major questions came by medical professional "peers" within days that actual "peer review" could have at least asked
Regarding 1-3, as I mentioned, the review process doesn't actually get into the validity of claims. Just sees if you've ticked a list of checkboxes.
Regarding 4, it sounds like this should have been caught.
That said, there are reviewers who are hardcore and care deeply about their review. But it's not the rule by any means and especially not outside of hard sciences (math, physics etc).
I'm not disagreeing with you.
Academics sell "peer review" as the ultimate checks and balance on prohibiting junk science from entering the field.
I completely agree that actual peer review is basically spell check.
Peers in the medical profession began calling out this study almost immediately, why weren't they on the journal "peer review"? And we're back to spell checking.
I have a fam member with a phd in physics who stated unequivocally that peer review is a joke, and he has submitted hundreds of papers to be reviewed. It's basically gaming the system for research funds.
The anti vaxx movement has credibility. Anti HCQ does not. They are not equivalent.
IRONICALLY, the anti vaxx movement was started by a journal article published decades ago by.... THE LANCET! lol not kidding
The original article linking vaccines to autism years ago, was retracted, but so was this one
The same author using the same database also managed to publish in NEJM, concluding that you must hide yo gramma cause hydroxychloroquine is causing fatal arrhythmias in everybody out there... also retracted same day