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johnbillaby 13 points ago +13 / -0

He had clear overdose levels of fentanyl in him.

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Soulmask 6 points ago +6 / -0

"Proper procedure" only for Minneapolis. You see choke holds nationwide were banned because it lead to deaths DECADES ago. But Minneapolis, for some reason, probably sheer incompetence, decided to bring it back to their "Progressive" police force. This whole thing STINKS.

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Reave 8 points ago +8 / -0

100% they get off. 2nd degree murder? Lol. Pretty sure pro bono buddy could get famous off this easy peeze lemon squeeze.

Edit: could have gone with man slaughter, that’s at lease has a chance at being proven.

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Redleg37 3 points ago +3 / -0

Manslaughter is a more appropriate charge and would have likely gotten a conviction.

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Redleg37 4 points ago +4 / -0

They will. Second degree murder in Minnesota requires proving intent to kill. They won’t be able to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. They probably could have gotten third degree to stick but I doubt second degree will.

Defense will argue that there was no intent; the meth in Floyd’s system made him resist and forced the hold; the amount of fentanyl in his system is way higher than the mean fatal disease; fentanyl kills by depressing respiratory function; Floyd’s death was unfortunate but ultimately his own fault for taking a lethal dosage of fentanyl. Police walk, riots happen for a week or two.

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Bramble 2 points ago +2 / -0

They're trumping up the charges to second degree murder, almost guaranteeing a not guilty verdict. But I'm sure we're going to be consumed by some other shit at that time so nobody will notice.

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AZTrumpette1776 4 points ago +4 / -0

That is some bullshit. PRESIDENT Trump is not going to lose, redpills are being dispersed through this and they will co tinue to be dispersed. The people involved in this BS were not going to vote for PRESIDENT Trump anyhow, but those on the fence are there because they are not completely brainwashed. They will join this side of the fence.

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Ekgamut 2 points ago +2 / -0

Chill on the blackpill, pal.

most whites will happily climb into a box car to go to a special camp for racists where they can't hurt black people anymore

That’s where you will be surprised.

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Ekgamut 1 point ago +1 / -0

That’s because we are being forced by the government. The Social Media gives to retarded people a super megaphone. So, it felt as if the stupid people are the majority when they are in minority. MSM don’t help either by focusing too much on a single tiny anthill when there are a lot bigger anthills.

The only reason why the people didn’t revolt yet is because of Trump is in the office. Once Trump is out of the office one way or another, that’s when we will see the people’s true color. Either you are right or I am. Only time will tell.

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Justhalftheshaft 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is exactly what will happen.

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nachosamplerREBORN 13 points ago +13 / -0

This may result in police offices using deadly force sooner rather than resorting a choke hold or neck restraint if the suspect is armed or goes for their weapon...it potentially endangers police and suspects.

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nachosamplerREBORN 4 points ago +5 / -1

How about, we also add a much more significant charge for running from the police, failure to comply, and/or assaulting an officer - this would deter both sides from engagement. Possibly.

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Phil_Selway 2 points ago +2 / -0

Never going to happen. Democrats (socialists) will vote to lower punishment, if anything.

To get an idea, in my country it isn't illegal to run away from police. More often than not, the criminal walks out of the PD before the policeman is able to finish the bureaucratic papers.

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WishdoctorsSong 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yep, there's a reason these holds are so brutal. People need to imagine a fucking NFL linebacker hopped up on meth trying to kill them then answer the question how you plan to prevent him from killing you without shooting him.

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nachosamplerREBORN 4 points ago +4 / -0

As much as they bitch about ‘lived experience’ and ‘perspective’ they never consider what it’s like to be a cop...he was just hiding drugs - he also could have been getting a gun...he just had his hand in his pocket - in his pocket could be a knife or gun...he just would not turn the car off - he could flee or use the car as a weapon to hurt the cop or others...comply with police quickly and be respectful and 99.999% of any altercations won’t happen. Even if you have drugs/warrants - you’re less fucked if you comply and they say you were cooperative in court.

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thisisatestof2 3 points ago +3 / -0

Watch as they start whining as more people get tazer or maced.

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Pederrr 3 points ago +3 / -0

If this was procedure, 3rd degree wouldn't stick. 2nd degree has a slim chance, which is greater than zero chance.

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Pederrr 4 points ago +4 / -0

I'm pretty sure it's procedure everywhere.

My issue is with the world being cucked, folks just escalate quickly instead of being a man. If you can't use your tools right, your tools get taken away.

My dad retired from the police force over 10 years ago. He trained our SWAT, was firearms instructor, and narcotics officer (K9 Unit for 12 years) and his generation were very different police than the current children.

His generation would let a fight play out, only intervening or arresting of it got stupid.

Current generation? They'll MACE or CS gas an entire block party for a slap fight that didn't stop 3 seconds before the order was given.

The issues of the leftists and the military folks who took a knee are the same issue, it's just a million times more prominent on the left.

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iouybiy 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yeah check out current policy. https://imgur.com/a/1zUeXJ2

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Staatssicherheit 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thank you. Ever notice how difficult it is to find the primary source in any news story?

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Headline_Correction 5 points ago +5 / -0

The plan may be to let them off with the classic "their actions were consistent with their training" - it wouldn't be anything new. However, this time that defense may not work out...

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WishdoctorsSong 3 points ago +3 / -0

I you trained me and authorized me to use a specific technique then jailed me for life for using it, I'd be pissed off too.

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Siteless_Vagrant 4 points ago +4 / -0

Meh, I'm a firm believer of not fucking with the head or neck unless you are trying to cause damage. Mostly, I don't need to damage you to detain you. I say mostly, because of course, there are exceptions for extreme circumstances.

 

A chokehold, maybe not so bad, but a kneeling with your body weight on someones neck is just not a good idea. If they start thrashing around it isn't going to end well.

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stonepony 7 points ago +8 / -1

Knee to the side of the neck is safe, that's why it's SOP and always has been, and will continue to be.

His heart attack had nothing to do with some magic kung fu pressure-point nonsense under his ear.

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thisisatestof2 4 points ago +4 / -0

Are they trying to help the defense with this like this? Your honor my client was following MPD policy 12 section 3...

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BeauBidenBrainTumor 3 points ago +3 / -0

So it looks like neck restraints were permitted by police. Also, there's been the conventional wisdom around, and which was probably part of police training, that "if someone can talk, they can breathe". If this was indeed part of police training and, given that neck restraints are allowed as part of police, it looks like no crime was committed. It's possibly an unfortunate accident that George Floyd died.

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LeftistsAreInsane 3 points ago +3 / -0

What's the point of banning this if you're going to disband your police altogether? It's a bit of a moot point, don't you think? Kind of like, oh, I don't know... criminalizing lynching when it's already illegal to murder someone.

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Pederrr 2 points ago +2 / -0

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-agrees-ban-police-chokeholds-following-death-george-floyd-n1226026

I actually think this is a good idea, you shouldn't need to do this kind of hold for 8 minutes. If you're needing to, maybe you should hit the gym so you can do your job.

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WishdoctorsSong 3 points ago +3 / -0

Go watch what happens to people's strength when they take a fuckton of meth and fentanyl and then think about how much gym hitting you're gonna have to do to deal with that.

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Pederrr 1 point ago +1 / -0

Pasting my reply to other comment:

I'm pretty sure it's procedure everywhere.

My issue is with the world being cucked, folks just escalate quickly instead of being a man. If you can't use your tools right, your tools get taken away.

My dad retired from the police force over 10 years ago. He trained our SWAT, was firearms instructor, and narcotics officer (K9 Unit for 12 years) and his generation were very different police than the current children.

His generation would let a fight play out, only intervening or arresting of it got stupid.

Current generation? They'll MACE or CS gas an entire block party for a slap fight that didn't stop 3 seconds before the order was given.

The issues of the leftists and the military folks who took a knee are the same issue, it's just a million times more prominent on the left.

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RandomBoomer 2 points ago +2 / -0

here is some insightful copy pasta.

In essence, these cops were doing only what they were trained and authorized to do in this situation. A non-inebriated healthy man would not have been harmed but Floyd was recovering from Covid and had levels of fentanyl that would have killed most.

5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

DEFINITIONS I.

Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.

The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12) The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12) On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or; For life saving purposes, or; On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective. Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12) After Care Guidelines (04/16/12) After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel. An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.

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Didyouassumemygerder 1 point ago +1 / -0

He wont be charged for 2and degree murder. Gets off around election time

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stonepony 1 point ago +1 / -0

This will lead to more deaths, not less. There's a reason that a knee to the side of the neck like has always been standard.