☝️ this right here. Easiest to operate, less recoil, affordable ammo for much practice for you and the fam. Find a good lgs, or even someone in your life who is into firearms and take them with you to the store for an initial shopping trip. Comfort in your hand will give you better performance. Have fun!
9mm and 5.56 is extremely popular. AR 15 platform has a shitton of extra parts for maintenance so if gun manufacturing goes down we can still have serviceable ar 15s. Its cool having a tavor or some fancy looking gun thats only made by swiss gun makers or something, but when shit hits the fan you want something interchangeable, reliable and familiar.
I am thinking about the Origin 12. It's a semi auto shotgun. Me and my wife just signed up to take the mandatory classes in order to get the permits. We are new to this but determined to never let a commie POS fuck around with us.
I agree with the moving comment. However, a Mini 14 is effectively the same think as an AR. It just looks less threatening bc it’s made of wood typically. They still fire standard.223 Some states that “ban” “assault” rifles, miss the mini 14, so if that’s an option, I’d start there!!!
AR15 is a great choice, so many parts and accessories available, I would make sure to get a 5.56mm chambered upper though. 9mm is the most widely used round and they are cheap and effective. I agree with you.
Basic AR15, and if you have the extra money and a range to zero it at, a red dot sight by aimpoint. I wouldn't get the shotgun unless you have other reasons you want one for. Especially in times like these where you would be expecting multiple invaders, I don't think they have the capacity you would want. A handgun like someone else mentioned might be a good alternative since you could carry it on yourself at all times, or another rifle maybe. If you're prior Navy and have experience with the M16/M4 family already, that's definitely what I'd go with. You probably don't have time to familiarize yourself with anything different in the short-term, so get what you know and are comfortable with.
A lot of people want to recommend a 12g shotgun for first time gun buyers for home defense. While it is an effective weapon and if a pump (Mossberg 500, Remington 870) the psychological fear you put into someone alone can be enough to make someone snap out of a crack induced home invasion and run. A 12g shotgun with proper home defense/self defense ammunition has significant recoil and is rather unpleasant to shoot, remember it is a .72 cal projectile (if a slug). If you decide on on one of these shotguns make sure to shoot it and know your point of aim and point of impact with your shot. Personally, I'm all in on the AR-15 train, or a PCC (pistol caliber carbine, preferably with its own mag, not one that just uses Glock magazines) like a CZ Scorpion. Smaller women tend to favor my AR's or my scropion much more than my Mossberg 930 due to recoil alone (the 930 is semi auto which actually reduces recoil a little). Guns and gear put this video out a while back so you can see from a female first time gun buyers perspective what she would pick https://youtu.be/wN4NBeYrZJ4
The biggest thing is safety, training, being comfortable, and confident. Every gun you touch is loaded. You don't want you or your wife to be intimidated because of recoil. I hope this was some help, Best of luck!
Glock mags are great, for Glocks. When you start running them in AR-15 style platforms they CAN (not always) have problems. The case and projectile of a cartridge have a slight taper. When you start stacking rounds on top of each other in a magazine, they design the magazine to have the forward angle into it to mitigate magazine failures such as binding. This is nothing against the Glock magazines at all, or Glocks. The other problem I have is with timing and gassing of AR style PCC's unless you buy a more expensive (although very nice) CMMG that is delayed blow back in design. Getting buffer weights right, to run a wide variety of ammunition can be a pain if you don't know what you're doing. Also the feed ramps into the chamber, the follower on a glock magazine was specifically designed to feed into a Glock chamber, not an AR15 chamber. It can all be done right, I just tried to suggest what I felt would be reliable for someone as a first time gun buyer. I didn't even realize they had prior firearm experience until they had replied. I was just trying to treat it as someone who has 0 experience.
Absolutely! I'm never one to try and rain on anyone parade. Everyone likes what they like and I always try to be a "cheerleader" as I've gotten older. No one likes a Debbie downer. If you have a Hi Point, or a Wilson Combat, so long as you like it who am I to say anything!!
Thanks. My wife and I are both retired Navy. We had to get gun qualified every 2 years. We are familiar with the rules of engagement /escalation of force ans basic gun safety. We just never owned our own shotgun or rifle. Until recently we were fine with just owning a handgun for each of us.
Lady advice (for your wife). Pick something that is comfortable in your hands. If the grip is too big then you will have trouble controlling the pistol. I started with a Ruger SR-9 that was very good for me to get started with. They don't sell those anymore unfortunately so maybe one of the other Rugers might do well. My second purchase was a Sig P238 it was a Conceal carry...way to snappy(hand hurting) for target practice. I then got a Sig 320 that I like much better for conceal carry and it isn't snappy. I traded the P238 for a Sig p938 "We the people" for the awesome look of it..it's snappy too but I love the way it looks.
On the AR-15 get something you can afford (but stay away from any under $600) because most of them are going to be fine for what you need them for.
People will recommend 12g to a first time shooter/gun owner and I disagree. Get comfortable with a 4-10 or 20g and graduate to the 12g. I feel like first time adult shooters should be treated like a child, no offence but accidents happen.
Don't buy any weapon without having shot with it at the range first. That is my advice. You need to test drive before buying. A weapon choice is very subjective, that is why there are so many options. Go to your local range and rent a few different ones and see how it feels to hold, shoot, etc.
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I know I left that thing around here somewhere.
Shame you dropped it while deep-sea fishing though.
Binary. It goes both ways.
My wife and I are heading to the gun shop later today. Any recommendations on first time shotgun and rifle owners?
Have to add its for home defense for when the revolution starts
For the rifle: an AR15, almost any brand. They come in many configurations, so be careful to choose one that feels right to you.
For a handgun: Something in 9mm.
Others will disagree. Those are my personal recommendations for a first-time gun buyer.
And don't pick a tiny pistol because it looks less intimidating. Less mass = more felt recoil = worse accuracy
Others will disagree, I however agree completely
☝️ this right here. Easiest to operate, less recoil, affordable ammo for much practice for you and the fam. Find a good lgs, or even someone in your life who is into firearms and take them with you to the store for an initial shopping trip. Comfort in your hand will give you better performance. Have fun!
9mm and 5.56 is extremely popular. AR 15 platform has a shitton of extra parts for maintenance so if gun manufacturing goes down we can still have serviceable ar 15s. Its cool having a tavor or some fancy looking gun thats only made by swiss gun makers or something, but when shit hits the fan you want something interchangeable, reliable and familiar.
I live in MA and they banned the AR15; what would be the next best choice?
Moving?
If that is out of the question then get a shotgun. I just got a 13 gauge to compliment my ar15 and handguns.
Before buying anything see if you can go to a range that rents guns and try them out.
I am thinking about the Origin 12. It's a semi auto shotgun. Me and my wife just signed up to take the mandatory classes in order to get the permits. We are new to this but determined to never let a commie POS fuck around with us.
I didn’t see that you posted the mini 14, until after I spent 5 min describing it!! Lol
80% lower.
I agree with the moving comment. However, a Mini 14 is effectively the same think as an AR. It just looks less threatening bc it’s made of wood typically. They still fire standard.223 Some states that “ban” “assault” rifles, miss the mini 14, so if that’s an option, I’d start there!!!
AR15 is a great choice, so many parts and accessories available, I would make sure to get a 5.56mm chambered upper though. 9mm is the most widely used round and they are cheap and effective. I agree with you.
Basic AR15, and if you have the extra money and a range to zero it at, a red dot sight by aimpoint. I wouldn't get the shotgun unless you have other reasons you want one for. Especially in times like these where you would be expecting multiple invaders, I don't think they have the capacity you would want. A handgun like someone else mentioned might be a good alternative since you could carry it on yourself at all times, or another rifle maybe. If you're prior Navy and have experience with the M16/M4 family already, that's definitely what I'd go with. You probably don't have time to familiarize yourself with anything different in the short-term, so get what you know and are comfortable with.
A lot of people want to recommend a 12g shotgun for first time gun buyers for home defense. While it is an effective weapon and if a pump (Mossberg 500, Remington 870) the psychological fear you put into someone alone can be enough to make someone snap out of a crack induced home invasion and run. A 12g shotgun with proper home defense/self defense ammunition has significant recoil and is rather unpleasant to shoot, remember it is a .72 cal projectile (if a slug). If you decide on on one of these shotguns make sure to shoot it and know your point of aim and point of impact with your shot. Personally, I'm all in on the AR-15 train, or a PCC (pistol caliber carbine, preferably with its own mag, not one that just uses Glock magazines) like a CZ Scorpion. Smaller women tend to favor my AR's or my scropion much more than my Mossberg 930 due to recoil alone (the 930 is semi auto which actually reduces recoil a little). Guns and gear put this video out a while back so you can see from a female first time gun buyers perspective what she would pick https://youtu.be/wN4NBeYrZJ4 The biggest thing is safety, training, being comfortable, and confident. Every gun you touch is loaded. You don't want you or your wife to be intimidated because of recoil. I hope this was some help, Best of luck!
Advice as true today as when my dad gave it to me many years ago.
Dad: "The gun is always loaded. Don't point it at anything you don't want dead." We need more guns, and more dads.
Funny how all this crap boils down to family, and the other side wants to dismantle the family.
Why wouldn't you want Glock mags for your PCC? They're tried and true mags and there's a billion of them.
Glock mags are great, for Glocks. When you start running them in AR-15 style platforms they CAN (not always) have problems. The case and projectile of a cartridge have a slight taper. When you start stacking rounds on top of each other in a magazine, they design the magazine to have the forward angle into it to mitigate magazine failures such as binding. This is nothing against the Glock magazines at all, or Glocks. The other problem I have is with timing and gassing of AR style PCC's unless you buy a more expensive (although very nice) CMMG that is delayed blow back in design. Getting buffer weights right, to run a wide variety of ammunition can be a pain if you don't know what you're doing. Also the feed ramps into the chamber, the follower on a glock magazine was specifically designed to feed into a Glock chamber, not an AR15 chamber. It can all be done right, I just tried to suggest what I felt would be reliable for someone as a first time gun buyer. I didn't even realize they had prior firearm experience until they had replied. I was just trying to treat it as someone who has 0 experience.
I see your rationale now. I was honestly just curious as to what it was. The more you know, ya know?
Absolutely! I'm never one to try and rain on anyone parade. Everyone likes what they like and I always try to be a "cheerleader" as I've gotten older. No one likes a Debbie downer. If you have a Hi Point, or a Wilson Combat, so long as you like it who am I to say anything!!
Thanks. My wife and I are both retired Navy. We had to get gun qualified every 2 years. We are familiar with the rules of engagement /escalation of force ans basic gun safety. We just never owned our own shotgun or rifle. Until recently we were fine with just owning a handgun for each of us.
Is the Origin 12 semi auto shotgun something you would recommend? I am worried about groups of rioters assaulting me.
4-10 or 20g are just as effective
Lady advice (for your wife). Pick something that is comfortable in your hands. If the grip is too big then you will have trouble controlling the pistol. I started with a Ruger SR-9 that was very good for me to get started with. They don't sell those anymore unfortunately so maybe one of the other Rugers might do well. My second purchase was a Sig P238 it was a Conceal carry...way to snappy(hand hurting) for target practice. I then got a Sig 320 that I like much better for conceal carry and it isn't snappy. I traded the P238 for a Sig p938 "We the people" for the awesome look of it..it's snappy too but I love the way it looks. On the AR-15 get something you can afford (but stay away from any under $600) because most of them are going to be fine for what you need them for.
Work of art.
Excellent.
I lost mine in a boating accident :(
People will recommend 12g to a first time shooter/gun owner and I disagree. Get comfortable with a 4-10 or 20g and graduate to the 12g. I feel like first time adult shooters should be treated like a child, no offence but accidents happen.
Tactical nascar wheels?
Uh oh, here comes a new Waco.
Don't buy any weapon without having shot with it at the range first. That is my advice. You need to test drive before buying. A weapon choice is very subjective, that is why there are so many options. Go to your local range and rent a few different ones and see how it feels to hold, shoot, etc.
We call that semi-full-auto
You like it? I've been considering a pistol caliber carbine.
Always near the tops of the lists - little long. I already have rifles!
Well, it's not exactly a long-distance weapon. :) Good to know- thanks!
How do you like the tail hook? I was looking at one for an MP5k clone.
6000 rounds per minute according to genius son control frieks.
Oh, that is beautiful.
I wanna go fast....
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