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posted ago by MassRelay ago by MassRelay +191 / -0

Company wide email asks everyone to join in at 1PM and kneel to end racism. It doesn't say you must do it, but there is a laundry list of reasons why you should. Basically guilting people into kneeling. This is prominent cancer research center with a huge diverse employee population. Wife has been there for 12 years, loves everyone and they love her back. She feels like if she doesn't do it that people will think she's racist.

Utter insanity this is.

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Thehumancentipede 43 points ago +43 / -0

can you send a copy of that email? that's not legal

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Kaarous 15 points ago +15 / -0

This. OP, get a copy of this and give it to a lawyer.

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Rainman 12 points ago +12 / -0

ESPECIALLY if her religious beliefs compell her to only kneel before her creator, that would be even more egregious and frankly extremely insensitive

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TheMAGAnificent 8 points ago +8 / -0

Bend the knee or be destroyed, cis scum.

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MassRelay [S] 7 points ago +7 / -0

I asked. She's nervous taking copies of emails from a hospital office workplace. Maybe she can snap a pic of the email.

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Kaarous 6 points ago +6 / -0

If her workplace's mail marshal will allow it, she can forward the email to a personal email account. This is the best option because it will have digital signatures on it proving it was created by someone within the organization. You'll have names, dates, everything, they won't be able to deny it.

The next best thing is a picture, make sure she clearly gets the "from" line and the email signature.

Both are perfectly legal, hospital or otherwise.

Do not print it out, that doesn't hold much legal weight as evidence since it can be more easily faked.

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readysetgo 2 points ago +2 / -0

or do show source and print that. source has the dkim signatures and ip addresses

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Kaarous 1 point ago +1 / -0

u/MassRelay, this is the best option if she knows how to do it. I didn't recommend this because it's unfamiliar to most people, but if you have her look it up this is ironclad.

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readysetgo 2 points ago +2 / -0

sadly its not as strong as you may think but its as good as you can get.

i could tell you how strong of a proof it is by looking at it (it depends on the network and server settings - some places still dont have dkim) but obviously I would not recommend sending this to a random internet dude.

also if they use gmail without a gsuite account they will subponea google for logs which is a strong proof. if they use a gsuite account their admin can delete all proof. if they dont use gmail "it depends"

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Kaarous 1 point ago +1 / -0

I mean, I haven't had as much digital forensics training as I might like, but short of actually seizing their mail marshal and write protect copying it for evidence, show source is pretty solid by evidentiary standards.

Especially for a civil case.

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cbskip 25 points ago +25 / -0

This is the highest form of pressure, tell her to go home sick. Avoid that because its a no win situation.

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Isaiah53 12 points ago +12 / -0

Or just head out to lunch at 12:45.

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TrumpTrain_MAGA2020 23 points ago +23 / -0

Clock out at 12:45pm for lunch. And leave.

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MassRelay [S] 20 points ago +20 / -0

She is doing just that.

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ScottyGunn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Best tactic.

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handpeople 16 points ago +16 / -0

No, we need to stand up, Id lose everything I own. I could not live with myself. We need others to be strong. She should go for an early lunch and have car trouble or something. Its worth it.

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lo_there 14 points ago +14 / -0

Don't fucking do it. It's time to stand up to this bullshit.

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Tusculan2 12 points ago +12 / -0

Tell them she's thinking about becoming Muslim and they only kneel before Allah.

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pray4peace4 12 points ago +13 / -1

Just tell them you don't kneel to anyone but God - it's a religious conviction. Of course that might get her in even worse trouble these days. It's incredible that an employer would do this. It's along the same line as forcing an employee to have sex - do it or there's repercussions. Employers don't get to dictate the personal beliefs of employees. She should call in sick.

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sickofaltspin 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's a cancer research center - she'll then be ostracized and eventually fired for being a believer in any religion other than secular humanism. Let's be clear, the die is cast - she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

Get a copy of that email to a lawyer, eat rice and beans if necessary and plan to work elsewhere. Get a nice fat settlement in 18-24 months.

Take solace in the long game.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

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Baryonic 8 points ago +8 / -0

This is what they do. If you do not comply they call you a racist and then all of them mob like drones. This is some kind of crazy pod people shit.

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k614 8 points ago +8 / -0

Bathroom break at 1pm or today would be a good day to 'not feel well'.

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Innocuous_Jackalope 7 points ago +7 / -0

Be a shame if everyone left and came back after 1PM's hour was over.

Just saying compelled action or speech isn't free speech and defeats the entire purpose of the action. If I believed in the kneeling I would organize everyone to leave the building at that hour on account that compelling intimidating or otherwise using such tactics to get people to do it proves absolutely nothing and makes your movement look horrible and authoritarian.

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Tomm 6 points ago +6 / -0

And one day, for no reason at all, people elected hitler in to power

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Logan051361 5 points ago +5 / -0

How are these people kneeling going to stop racism? How fucking stupid are these people. I would quit first

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Baryonic 5 points ago +5 / -0

This is about signalling who it on the good team and who is on the bad team. If you do not kneel - the next step will be that black people in the office will say they feel unsafe with you in the office.

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V_exodus 5 points ago +5 / -0

Horrible situation to put someone into. Conform or be shunned. And happening all over now.

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Jimmy33 4 points ago +4 / -0

Don’t do it.

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xBigCoffinHunter 4 points ago +4 / -0

If I thought that would fix all the ills of society I may partake. Like if it was guaranteed that all issues would be resolved it I took a knee at 1pm I’d do it. Fuck it that’s a healthy return on my investment.

However it isn’t so fuck them.

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sickofaltspin 2 points ago +2 / -0

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

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Shit___taco 4 points ago +5 / -1

This type of shit makes me think of the CCP and struggle sessions. Oh America, what the hell happened.

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nachosamplerREBORN 4 points ago +4 / -0

I would go with the God defense and you only kneel before your God. Best if your're another religion besides Christianity, but I think it allows for concern on religious discrimination. This is a last resort. Best to avoid the topic and work that day if possible.

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CovfefeNegro 4 points ago +4 / -0

If she does do it she is joining with satan, her choice.

https://kekpe.pe/i/5ede39d2997d7.jpg

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YaBoiJacob 3 points ago +3 / -0

If she does it, she's committing idolatry

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OneOfMany_MAGA 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is typical “you are with us or you are against us” election year leftist crap.

Unarmed blacks being killed by police down 43% under Trump compared to Obama, and less chance per encounter for blacks than whites. Those are facts.

My hospital did the same thing. “White coats for black lives.” I refuse to participate in racist rituals.

Her company will have a photographer there walking around taking pictures so they can submit to the news paper for virtue signaling purposes.

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_ra247 2 points ago +2 / -0

I would be taking a massive dump from 12:45-1:15

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Jtn1028 2 points ago +3 / -1

If you can't beat um, join um. Say a prayer for those people at 1pm

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GottliebPins 2 points ago +2 / -0

Open your smart phone. Find a picture of Jesus. Kneel before it.

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readysetgo 1 point ago +1 / -0

also do not kneel and do not submit if there is no gun to your head. have some dignity and self respect. this is the only way you stop this.

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Unboosted 1 point ago +1 / -0

She needs to bring attention to institutional racism. She needs to bring attention to the racist policies of affirmitive action and diversity hires.

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Dialectic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Never kneel to bullies

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VetforTrump 1 point ago +1 / -0

Once on their knees start a round of prayer to God, thank him for your freedom in the name of Jesus Christ. I'd like to see them Scream about rhat.

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GottliebPins 1 point ago +1 / -0

Smoke break everyone!

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0care 1 point ago +1 / -0

name and shame

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7_17_24 1 point ago +1 / -0

Bathroom break at 1pm.

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