interesting fact; many many irish slaves died of malaria in the caribbean, but africans did not, and this led to the use of mostly african slaves for sugar cane farming. This resistance to Malaria is due to genetics and the same genes cause sickle cell disease today.
Sugarcane was wildly profitable. There was some war where in the peace settlement, a European power had to choose between Canada and a small Caribbean island, and they chose the island, because you could use it for sugarcane, and canada was just a big, useless frozen wasteland. Developing sugar in the caribbean was like a big gold rush. It's not surprising at all that they were willing to use slaves to get more sugar.
People getting fucked over by other people was the International Sport for 6,000+ years of recorded history.
Our current crop of assholes thinks that they and ONLY they have had ANYTHING bad ever happen to them and that it's somehow caused them to stay in some form of stasis this entire time.
It's amazing that Celts have even survived to 2020. They've been getting boned for at least 2000 years. I guess they eventually got North America though.
They use the same tactic Pelosi fucked up and told everyone about. The Wrap Up Smear. Say it, Print it, get questioned, refer to the Printed Article. "Sources Familiar" said it. Poof! It's Fact.
I’m of Irish decent and my step dad who raised me is Irish and became a citizen in the 1960s. I can tell you without doubt that Ireland has been deeply damaged by the English. The poverty level on that Island is or at least was near 3rd world level. Those people though don’t sit around blaming anybody. I’ve never known a harder working man than my step dad who lived his life coming from poverty with no complaint. My ancestry in the US starts around the civil war and the potato famine in the New York area. Whenever I was feeling defeated in life I would think of all that difficulty and hardship that made my existence possible and I am proud of those people and stand a little taller. Why doesn’t this same thing apply to American black people. They should be so proud of their past, not embarrassed. The people who were slaves were brave and strong people that made their lives possible.
Slavery at the time had a lot of legal ins and outs. Often they were buying "debt", thus a slave could technically buy their freedom. The English would go to the Irish and say you owe this much to the Crown for war / taxes / this crime / ect, then when they couldn't pay take them into debtors prison and sell them and their families to slavery. If Africa, the Spanish and Portuguese would buy the "debt" of "war prisoners" from one faction or another. The sale of the slave was a transfer of debt, and the rules for black or white slaves only differed really in that the Christians were allowed to go to receive communion and some areas or towns banned black slaves from entering.
Americans were mostly peasant farmers fleeing England and Germany, they couldn't afford slaves, first the European nobility then the companies were the ones that owned slaves. From the arrival of the first slaves Americans tried to ban them, not out of altruism but rather they didn't want blacks or Irish (Catholics) and slaves decreased the value of labor. This took the form of 200% taxes on slaves, massive tariffs, outright bans, laws stating all Christian workers must be paid, limits on slave terms and the passing of debt to children, ect. These laws were stopped repeatedly by those in charge. There was a lot of success in getting laws regarding service in times of war. Prior to, and including the civil war, if a slave could sign up for the military (run away and do it, or sneak into town) that would take priority and the slave master's claim would come in second, thus if they managed to serve a military term they could earn their "debt" cleared and their freedom.
Lastly, this whole "we must remove a statue of this man because he had slaves" thing pisses me off to no end. Find me any man of enough prominence from any country in the world during that time that has a statue that did not own slaves or was an "insert race here" supremacists. People someone don't think or realize that people like Emperor Daoguang of China or his lords and generals had slaves in the 1800s, or that Little Crow took slaves during the Dakota wars?
I heard about that book, then forgot about it, probably something I would like.
It's insane how little people know about the Indians, often people speak about them as a single group. Which makes about as much sense as talking about WW2 by grouping the entirety of Europe as a single entity. There is a reason that everyone is the SE is 1/16 Cherokee, many tribes just simply assimilated and became Christian. Which is always followed by the "but boarding schools" answer, failing to realize that these boarding schools were everywhere for every race and serve mainly to round up and try to tame the swaths of homeless or abandoned kids. "Public" as in Public House used to mean for the poor.
No idea. Thanks for posting!
Damn, but those Brits hated (and still hate) the Irish.
interesting fact; many many irish slaves died of malaria in the caribbean, but africans did not, and this led to the use of mostly african slaves for sugar cane farming. This resistance to Malaria is due to genetics and the same genes cause sickle cell disease today.
Sugarcane was wildly profitable. There was some war where in the peace settlement, a European power had to choose between Canada and a small Caribbean island, and they chose the island, because you could use it for sugarcane, and canada was just a big, useless frozen wasteland. Developing sugar in the caribbean was like a big gold rush. It's not surprising at all that they were willing to use slaves to get more sugar.
Are you going to demand reparations?
Jack Sparrow Voice: Where's the Rum? I feel I'm owed Rum. Lots of Rum.
What is the source for this? It makes me want to do some research on my own lineage now.
People getting fucked over by other people was the International Sport for 6,000+ years of recorded history.
Our current crop of assholes thinks that they and ONLY they have had ANYTHING bad ever happen to them and that it's somehow caused them to stay in some form of stasis this entire time.
Check out the redneck manifesto by Jim Goad.
It's amazing that Celts have even survived to 2020. They've been getting boned for at least 2000 years. I guess they eventually got North America though.
Good Catholics they were. Large Families they had.
Sorry, your white privilege exempts you from any oppression points. Please play again!
Too late. I have died of Diversity.
I hope they put that on your headstone: He Died of Racism
They use the same tactic Pelosi fucked up and told everyone about. The Wrap Up Smear. Say it, Print it, get questioned, refer to the Printed Article. "Sources Familiar" said it. Poof! It's Fact.
I’m of Irish decent and my step dad who raised me is Irish and became a citizen in the 1960s. I can tell you without doubt that Ireland has been deeply damaged by the English. The poverty level on that Island is or at least was near 3rd world level. Those people though don’t sit around blaming anybody. I’ve never known a harder working man than my step dad who lived his life coming from poverty with no complaint. My ancestry in the US starts around the civil war and the potato famine in the New York area. Whenever I was feeling defeated in life I would think of all that difficulty and hardship that made my existence possible and I am proud of those people and stand a little taller. Why doesn’t this same thing apply to American black people. They should be so proud of their past, not embarrassed. The people who were slaves were brave and strong people that made their lives possible.
Slavery at the time had a lot of legal ins and outs. Often they were buying "debt", thus a slave could technically buy their freedom. The English would go to the Irish and say you owe this much to the Crown for war / taxes / this crime / ect, then when they couldn't pay take them into debtors prison and sell them and their families to slavery. If Africa, the Spanish and Portuguese would buy the "debt" of "war prisoners" from one faction or another. The sale of the slave was a transfer of debt, and the rules for black or white slaves only differed really in that the Christians were allowed to go to receive communion and some areas or towns banned black slaves from entering.
Americans were mostly peasant farmers fleeing England and Germany, they couldn't afford slaves, first the European nobility then the companies were the ones that owned slaves. From the arrival of the first slaves Americans tried to ban them, not out of altruism but rather they didn't want blacks or Irish (Catholics) and slaves decreased the value of labor. This took the form of 200% taxes on slaves, massive tariffs, outright bans, laws stating all Christian workers must be paid, limits on slave terms and the passing of debt to children, ect. These laws were stopped repeatedly by those in charge. There was a lot of success in getting laws regarding service in times of war. Prior to, and including the civil war, if a slave could sign up for the military (run away and do it, or sneak into town) that would take priority and the slave master's claim would come in second, thus if they managed to serve a military term they could earn their "debt" cleared and their freedom.
Lastly, this whole "we must remove a statue of this man because he had slaves" thing pisses me off to no end. Find me any man of enough prominence from any country in the world during that time that has a statue that did not own slaves or was an "insert race here" supremacists. People someone don't think or realize that people like Emperor Daoguang of China or his lords and generals had slaves in the 1800s, or that Little Crow took slaves during the Dakota wars?
Read this: Empire of the Summer Moon
Poor Innocent Powerless "Injuns" my ass.
I heard about that book, then forgot about it, probably something I would like.
It's insane how little people know about the Indians, often people speak about them as a single group. Which makes about as much sense as talking about WW2 by grouping the entirety of Europe as a single entity. There is a reason that everyone is the SE is 1/16 Cherokee, many tribes just simply assimilated and became Christian. Which is always followed by the "but boarding schools" answer, failing to realize that these boarding schools were everywhere for every race and serve mainly to round up and try to tame the swaths of homeless or abandoned kids. "Public" as in Public House used to mean for the poor.
It's a good read. Highly recommended.
Lot going on mid-1600s in England