I see the irony right off the bat. But they will somehow declare this situation is different through the strategic use of doublespeak.
ps If they're autonomous, then all water, sewer, electricity and gas should be shut off and border fences should be installed. We wouldn't want food smuggling.
While I agree with the CONCEPT, I ALSO don't want to set the precedent that seceding from the Union will ever be met with anything other than Military Action.
As a Texan, I have a different perspective of History about secession. I believe it was wrongly held that joining the Union was irrevocable rather than Voluntary. Thus, following the concept of the Declaration of Independence which states:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Since I can't highlight, this is what I would highlight:
-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-
This is why I am no fan of Lincoln. He turned a noble desire into a despotic and tyrannical obsession.
I also don't understand why the joining of the union is considered a one-way thing. If the population of a state can vote themselves into the union then they should be able to vote themselves out. Even if there were qualifiers or restrictions on the timing, it should be possible for a state to leave the union peacefully.
I agree, but I also think the republic has the right to put down violent insurrection. There is a difference from a legal secession. Also, who asked antifa to speak for the rest of us.
That same highlighted portion is, to me, exactly why we could not allow secession over grounds of such blatant denial of individual liberties. There were Americans within those states which wished to secede whose rights would then be denied by the new government formed over them. Frankly, I believe you have made my argument for me.
I have made an argument that the few are better equipped to leave than many be made to suffer despotism. Just because you believe you own righteousness, you would become the despot.
The few could not leave; they would have been rounded up and hanged by the Slave Catchers.
Also? The Few were actually the Many, the South just refused to count them, except when it came time to decide how many members each state got in the House of Representatives. So the Left was attempting election fraud even back then.
So once again, it comes down to "When we said 'All men are created equal,' did we actually mean it, and are we willing to enforce it?" Everything beyond that point is moot. To allow Slave States to continue in Slavery would invalidate the entire US' existence, to allow States that GRIEVOUSLY curtail the rights of the individual to just walk away and continue to do so would do exactly the same.
"You are the Despot!" you declare, as you defend the faction which literally sold human beings in chains.
I do not defend Slavery, but the right to be governed by the consent of the governed. If you insist on finding your purity in a favored virtue while ignoring the POLE which is in your own eye, then you are, and remain a hypocrite. In this case, we both had POLES in our eyes.
"the right to be governed by the consent of the governed."
Yeah, that's the thing. If the Governors had gone with the consent of the governed, secession would have been moot, as the slaves would have been listened to when they said "We do not consent to this."
YES, it is wrong for the Federal Government to force its will on the States Governments. Just as it is wrong for the States Governments to force its will on the smaller entities, including and especially the individual. Lincoln may have set a dangerous precedent, but I believe it was forced on him by the situation at hand.
Non-American demographics are going to overwhelm Real America. Secession (plus paleoconservative leaders, NO neocons/RINOs) plus demographic sanity is the only hope for conservative states. I say we encourage the faggy antifa LARPers to set a precedent for conservative states, and to weaken and divide Seattle (bonus points if they manage to loot or otherwise harm Amazon or Microsoft)
I would encourage Blue State Cities and Capitals to secede. Also Red Counties to relocate their State Capitals to Red Counties. Since we can't just live and let live, let's just part ways peacefully.
Narcissistic cities will quickly become aware that they are FAR more dependent on flyover country than they ever imagined.
They're turning rights for every citizen into privileges for themselves only. Yes, PRIVILEGES, you read it right. And meanwhile they yell at your face shaming you of your privileges. Don't be confused because it's really simple. In their mind it's always a zero sum game, your gain is their loss, your loss is their gain, all resources are limited and human have no productivity.
I think the city just sent cleaning crews to clean up and they all ran away giving up on their larp, so they didn't even defend it against non-hostile people lol.
Probably tuckered out, momma made them a PB&J with the crust cutoff, it's waiting for them in their basement bedroom of their parents home.
Edit: NVM I was wrong, they apparently came back. Probably took a nappypoo and wanted to larp again.
I just saw Infinity War a couple weeks ago...you notice how Wakanda is represented as (albeit highly technologically advanced) still a bunch of tribalists.
That's how the left sees the black man: a savage tribalist no matter how technologically advanced
Sadly, it's not like the average Black man gives them a counterexample of tribalism. (Certainly does give a counterexample of technological advancement).
Of course, tribalism is human nature to one degree or another. Northwestern Europeans are somewhat less tribalistic than others (which contributed to us building higher-trust societies UNTIL we were invaded and demographically overwhelmed), but it's a matter of degree, not kind.
They are out of resources already. These privileged liberal idiots will learn that food doesn't just pop out of nowhere. Maybe this will make them stop looking down on republican states where agriculture is a primary economic sector.
I believe that many of them are basement dwellers doing nothing but watching those shows and playing similar video games in the previous months of lockdown. Now all of a sudden they received a calling from those fake news race baiters and they crawled out of their cave to rise up against the "regime". It's role playing in live action. They're treating it like a game. They have no idea what they've gotten themselves into.
There’s a truth to that. I will always remember hearing this skinny Brit streamer Sacriel claim while playing PUBG that he thinks he would be really good at the same scenario in real life.
I don't really blame them. I understand their delusion. It's like under house arrest for months, and to some extent it's worse than prison because your social life is reduced to zero. You sit in front of a screen 24/7 and you have no face to face interaction with any real human being in the flesh. You'd be sucked into a warped reality and your mind will be twisted. And if your only source of information is fake news and social media, you would have no idea what's going on outside. In that condition you'd be very easily misguided into these riots. Tell you what, whether that's really the case or not, lockdown was perhaps the biggest mistake of policy making in US history, and today's riot is the proof of that. Anger had been building up over that period but all these politicians turned a blind eye on that, they just kept telling you to social distance and stay at home while they themselves went out having haircut and fooling around, and when the George Floyd incident happened, boom! The entire nation is blown off!
Blame puppets, no reason to, but the puppet still gets the club to the side of their head like a baby seal when they cause trouble. Ant8fa are the modern day slaves. Their minds are not their own.
I have noticed it. I hate to even go there, but I always felt pols, MSM, etc., started using it years ago, because Obama says it. The other word always used by MSM, pols, etc., which also seems kind of affected and used all the time, is "notion". Can't stand that word. Nobody ever has an "idea" EVER, anymore. It's always a "notion". Oh, and guess who uses that word constantly . . .
Hmmmmm. I give this about a week, until the idiots realize that don't have garbage trucks coming into the "CHAZ" to remove their waste! There are no strategic thinkers in Antifa, just reactionaries. Doomed to fail, like the Kindergarten experiment that it is!
It's interesting how this situation has received zero media attention. Now picture the reaction if an armed right-wing militia seized and reinforced a 6-block section of a major American city and declared themselves autonomous...
Oh, the left is pro-Wall for THEIR areas, just not for America. Whether it's rich Dems and Globalists with gated communities, Hillary Clinton supporting a border wall for Israel but NOT for the USA, or faggy antifas walling off their little Wakanda, they want to help themselves but NOT America.
So they were given a sinking ship, they didn't take it over. Bet they can't bail fast enough to stay afloat. Looks like a simple seige will end it. Maybe a match to burn it down would be better since the state elected officials can't do their jobs. Think the guys that burned down isis would take it back in a hour.
I see the irony right off the bat. But they will somehow declare this situation is different through the strategic use of doublespeak.
ps If they're autonomous, then all water, sewer, electricity and gas should be shut off and border fences should be installed. We wouldn't want food smuggling.
At this point .... they have to use 4dspeak... but does it really matter?
While I agree with the CONCEPT, I ALSO don't want to set the precedent that seceding from the Union will ever be met with anything other than Military Action.
As a Texan, I have a different perspective of History about secession. I believe it was wrongly held that joining the Union was irrevocable rather than Voluntary. Thus, following the concept of the Declaration of Independence which states:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Since I can't highlight, this is what I would highlight:
-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-
This is why I am no fan of Lincoln. He turned a noble desire into a despotic and tyrannical obsession.
Hear, hear!
I also don't understand why the joining of the union is considered a one-way thing. If the population of a state can vote themselves into the union then they should be able to vote themselves out. Even if there were qualifiers or restrictions on the timing, it should be possible for a state to leave the union peacefully.
They are states after all, not provinces.
I agree, but I also think the republic has the right to put down violent insurrection. There is a difference from a legal secession. Also, who asked antifa to speak for the rest of us.
The biggest mistake the Confederates made was attacking Fort Sumter
And THAT makes all the difference.
Well said fellow Texan
That same highlighted portion is, to me, exactly why we could not allow secession over grounds of such blatant denial of individual liberties. There were Americans within those states which wished to secede whose rights would then be denied by the new government formed over them. Frankly, I believe you have made my argument for me.
I have made an argument that the few are better equipped to leave than many be made to suffer despotism. Just because you believe you own righteousness, you would become the despot.
The few could not leave; they would have been rounded up and hanged by the Slave Catchers.
Also? The Few were actually the Many, the South just refused to count them, except when it came time to decide how many members each state got in the House of Representatives. So the Left was attempting election fraud even back then.
So once again, it comes down to "When we said 'All men are created equal,' did we actually mean it, and are we willing to enforce it?" Everything beyond that point is moot. To allow Slave States to continue in Slavery would invalidate the entire US' existence, to allow States that GRIEVOUSLY curtail the rights of the individual to just walk away and continue to do so would do exactly the same.
"You are the Despot!" you declare, as you defend the faction which literally sold human beings in chains.
I do not defend Slavery, but the right to be governed by the consent of the governed. If you insist on finding your purity in a favored virtue while ignoring the POLE which is in your own eye, then you are, and remain a hypocrite. In this case, we both had POLES in our eyes.
"the right to be governed by the consent of the governed."
Yeah, that's the thing. If the Governors had gone with the consent of the governed, secession would have been moot, as the slaves would have been listened to when they said "We do not consent to this."
YES, it is wrong for the Federal Government to force its will on the States Governments. Just as it is wrong for the States Governments to force its will on the smaller entities, including and especially the individual. Lincoln may have set a dangerous precedent, but I believe it was forced on him by the situation at hand.
Non-American demographics are going to overwhelm Real America. Secession (plus paleoconservative leaders, NO neocons/RINOs) plus demographic sanity is the only hope for conservative states. I say we encourage the faggy antifa LARPers to set a precedent for conservative states, and to weaken and divide Seattle (bonus points if they manage to loot or otherwise harm Amazon or Microsoft)
I would encourage Blue State Cities and Capitals to secede. Also Red Counties to relocate their State Capitals to Red Counties. Since we can't just live and let live, let's just part ways peacefully.
Narcissistic cities will quickly become aware that they are FAR more dependent on flyover country than they ever imagined.
So they want a border protected by armed forces for their Special Needs experiment, but don't want it for their home country?
Things that make ya go... HUH?
New name to be changed to fagistan.
Capital: Cuckingrad
Currency: what currency?
Language: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
They're turning rights for every citizen into privileges for themselves only. Yes, PRIVILEGES, you read it right. And meanwhile they yell at your face shaming you of your privileges. Don't be confused because it's really simple. In their mind it's always a zero sum game, your gain is their loss, your loss is their gain, all resources are limited and human have no productivity.
I think the city just sent cleaning crews to clean up and they all ran away giving up on their larp, so they didn't even defend it against non-hostile people lol.
Probably tuckered out, momma made them a PB&J with the crust cutoff, it's waiting for them in their basement bedroom of their parents home.
Edit: NVM I was wrong, they apparently came back. Probably took a nappypoo and wanted to larp again.
How many days until this new country looks like Wakanda?
They already have their own Killmonger wannabe in charge...
Killmonger, Cockmongler, same thing I guess.
Heh...
Any minute now...
I just saw Infinity War a couple weeks ago...you notice how Wakanda is represented as (albeit highly technologically advanced) still a bunch of tribalists.
That's how the left sees the black man: a savage tribalist no matter how technologically advanced
Sadly, it's not like the average Black man gives them a counterexample of tribalism. (Certainly does give a counterexample of technological advancement).
Of course, tribalism is human nature to one degree or another. Northwestern Europeans are somewhat less tribalistic than others (which contributed to us building higher-trust societies UNTIL we were invaded and demographically overwhelmed), but it's a matter of degree, not kind.
It already looks like idiocracy. I want to know who is gonna do the work to keep it? Lazy fucks know how to break shit but not how to fix shit.
Wakanda For...a few days.
They are out of resources already. These privileged liberal idiots will learn that food doesn't just pop out of nowhere. Maybe this will make them stop looking down on republican states where agriculture is a primary economic sector.
Now who possibly campaigned on those ideas again? Ah screw it. Give it time, hindsight is 2020.
These people think their living in a Walking dead episode. Except they're the zombies.
I believe that many of them are basement dwellers doing nothing but watching those shows and playing similar video games in the previous months of lockdown. Now all of a sudden they received a calling from those fake news race baiters and they crawled out of their cave to rise up against the "regime". It's role playing in live action. They're treating it like a game. They have no idea what they've gotten themselves into.
There’s a truth to that. I will always remember hearing this skinny Brit streamer Sacriel claim while playing PUBG that he thinks he would be really good at the same scenario in real life.
I don't really blame them. I understand their delusion. It's like under house arrest for months, and to some extent it's worse than prison because your social life is reduced to zero. You sit in front of a screen 24/7 and you have no face to face interaction with any real human being in the flesh. You'd be sucked into a warped reality and your mind will be twisted. And if your only source of information is fake news and social media, you would have no idea what's going on outside. In that condition you'd be very easily misguided into these riots. Tell you what, whether that's really the case or not, lockdown was perhaps the biggest mistake of policy making in US history, and today's riot is the proof of that. Anger had been building up over that period but all these politicians turned a blind eye on that, they just kept telling you to social distance and stay at home while they themselves went out having haircut and fooling around, and when the George Floyd incident happened, boom! The entire nation is blown off!
Blame puppets, no reason to, but the puppet still gets the club to the side of their head like a baby seal when they cause trouble. Ant8fa are the modern day slaves. Their minds are not their own.
Well in this game you only get one life
Yep. They’re having a good ole time, but wait until player 3 enters the game.
Anyone else notice how often leftists say “folks”? I find it odd
Yeah, should be comrades!
I have noticed it. I hate to even go there, but I always felt pols, MSM, etc., started using it years ago, because Obama says it. The other word always used by MSM, pols, etc., which also seems kind of affected and used all the time, is "notion". Can't stand that word. Nobody ever has an "idea" EVER, anymore. It's always a "notion". Oh, and guess who uses that word constantly . . .
Hmmmmm. I give this about a week, until the idiots realize that don't have garbage trucks coming into the "CHAZ" to remove their waste! There are no strategic thinkers in Antifa, just reactionaries. Doomed to fail, like the Kindergarten experiment that it is!
Do you think their patrol men are get $15 an hour?
They have common sense somewhere deep down, they just hate America more.
https://i.imgur.com/liJGdJp.jpg
They learned from the best!
Can we rename it "Little United States?" Do they have their own immigration control?
It's interesting how this situation has received zero media attention. Now picture the reaction if an armed right-wing militia seized and reinforced a 6-block section of a major American city and declared themselves autonomous...
144 dimension chess
I love how Leftists are now Pro-Wall!!
BUILD THE WALL!!
Oh, the left is pro-Wall for THEIR areas, just not for America. Whether it's rich Dems and Globalists with gated communities, Hillary Clinton supporting a border wall for Israel but NOT for the USA, or faggy antifas walling off their little Wakanda, they want to help themselves but NOT America.
When to they appoint ambassadors to negotiate with the USA?
It's just a matter of time 'till they get tired of LARPing.
/Popcorn
So they were given a sinking ship, they didn't take it over. Bet they can't bail fast enough to stay afloat. Looks like a simple seige will end it. Maybe a match to burn it down would be better since the state elected officials can't do their jobs. Think the guys that burned down isis would take it back in a hour.
Who's gonna be the first Antifa to shoot a man?