I see the irony right off the bat. But they will somehow declare this situation is different through the strategic use of doublespeak.
ps If they're autonomous, then all water, sewer, electricity and gas should be shut off and border fences should be installed. We wouldn't want food smuggling.
While I agree with the CONCEPT, I ALSO don't want to set the precedent that seceding from the Union will ever be met with anything other than Military Action.
As a Texan, I have a different perspective of History about secession. I believe it was wrongly held that joining the Union was irrevocable rather than Voluntary. Thus, following the concept of the Declaration of Independence which states:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Since I can't highlight, this is what I would highlight:
-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-
This is why I am no fan of Lincoln. He turned a noble desire into a despotic and tyrannical obsession.
I also don't understand why the joining of the union is considered a one-way thing. If the population of a state can vote themselves into the union then they should be able to vote themselves out. Even if there were qualifiers or restrictions on the timing, it should be possible for a state to leave the union peacefully.
I agree, but I also think the republic has the right to put down violent insurrection. There is a difference from a legal secession. Also, who asked antifa to speak for the rest of us.
That same highlighted portion is, to me, exactly why we could not allow secession over grounds of such blatant denial of individual liberties. There were Americans within those states which wished to secede whose rights would then be denied by the new government formed over them. Frankly, I believe you have made my argument for me.
I have made an argument that the few are better equipped to leave than many be made to suffer despotism. Just because you believe you own righteousness, you would become the despot.
Non-American demographics are going to overwhelm Real America. Secession (plus paleoconservative leaders, NO neocons/RINOs) plus demographic sanity is the only hope for conservative states. I say we encourage the faggy antifa LARPers to set a precedent for conservative states, and to weaken and divide Seattle (bonus points if they manage to loot or otherwise harm Amazon or Microsoft)
I would encourage Blue State Cities and Capitals to secede. Also Red Counties to relocate their State Capitals to Red Counties. Since we can't just live and let live, let's just part ways peacefully.
Narcissistic cities will quickly become aware that they are FAR more dependent on flyover country than they ever imagined.
I see the irony right off the bat. But they will somehow declare this situation is different through the strategic use of doublespeak.
ps If they're autonomous, then all water, sewer, electricity and gas should be shut off and border fences should be installed. We wouldn't want food smuggling.
At this point .... they have to use 4dspeak... but does it really matter?
While I agree with the CONCEPT, I ALSO don't want to set the precedent that seceding from the Union will ever be met with anything other than Military Action.
As a Texan, I have a different perspective of History about secession. I believe it was wrongly held that joining the Union was irrevocable rather than Voluntary. Thus, following the concept of the Declaration of Independence which states:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Since I can't highlight, this is what I would highlight:
-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-
This is why I am no fan of Lincoln. He turned a noble desire into a despotic and tyrannical obsession.
Hear, hear!
I also don't understand why the joining of the union is considered a one-way thing. If the population of a state can vote themselves into the union then they should be able to vote themselves out. Even if there were qualifiers or restrictions on the timing, it should be possible for a state to leave the union peacefully.
They are states after all, not provinces.
I agree, but I also think the republic has the right to put down violent insurrection. There is a difference from a legal secession. Also, who asked antifa to speak for the rest of us.
The biggest mistake the Confederates made was attacking Fort Sumter
And THAT makes all the difference.
Well said fellow Texan
That same highlighted portion is, to me, exactly why we could not allow secession over grounds of such blatant denial of individual liberties. There were Americans within those states which wished to secede whose rights would then be denied by the new government formed over them. Frankly, I believe you have made my argument for me.
I have made an argument that the few are better equipped to leave than many be made to suffer despotism. Just because you believe you own righteousness, you would become the despot.
Non-American demographics are going to overwhelm Real America. Secession (plus paleoconservative leaders, NO neocons/RINOs) plus demographic sanity is the only hope for conservative states. I say we encourage the faggy antifa LARPers to set a precedent for conservative states, and to weaken and divide Seattle (bonus points if they manage to loot or otherwise harm Amazon or Microsoft)
I would encourage Blue State Cities and Capitals to secede. Also Red Counties to relocate their State Capitals to Red Counties. Since we can't just live and let live, let's just part ways peacefully.
Narcissistic cities will quickly become aware that they are FAR more dependent on flyover country than they ever imagined.