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HTTP_404 6 points ago +6 / -0

Just mentioning, book quoted is by Jonah Goldberg;

“Jonah Jacob Goldberg (born March 21, 1969) .., He has been a consistent critic of Donald J. Trump since before the election of 2016 and during Trump's presidency.[13]...

is an American conservative syndicated columnist,[1] author, political analyst, and commentator. From 1998 until May 2019, he was an editor at National Review[2] (his syndicated opinion pieces continuing to appear there). Goldberg writes a weekly column about politics and culture for the Los Angeles Times[3][4] and holds a fellowship at the National Review Institute. In October 2019, Goldberg became founding editor of the online opinion and news publication The Dispatch.[5][6][7][8] Goldberg is the author of Liberal Fascism, which became a #1 New York Times bestseller shortly after its release in January 2008;[9] The Tyranny of Cliches: How Liberals Cheat in the War of Ideas, released in 2012;[10] and Suicide of the West, which was published in April 2018 and also became a New York Times bestseller, reaching #5 on the list the following month.[11][12] He has been a consistent critic of Donald J. Trump since before the election of 2016 and during Trump's presidency.[13]

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LinconChurchill 4 points ago +4 / -0

Every. Single. Time.

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misterLahey 11 points ago +11 / -0

Oh shit. Was Dugan right about things?

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misterLahey 1 point ago +2 / -1

I can, but I won't. Those who upvoted know.

I'll go as far as saying I'm not sure if he's gone totally insane or if he's the one voice in a generation who clearly sees the clockworks behind the face. Or if he's both. Or neither. Or a total figment and a physical manifestation of memes, tons of memes.

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Jackno8d 3 points ago +3 / -0

Who is Dugan?

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misterLahey 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes.

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MarquisBoniface 1 point ago +1 / -0

True

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Jackno8d 1 point ago +1 / -0

Is this a John Galt situation?

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misterLahey 1 point ago +1 / -0

Eskimo

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Jackno8d 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sloppy?

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gaijin_ronin 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm all for creating a pike wall.

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WeinerLapTop 8 points ago +8 / -0

We were always at war with East Asia.

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TwoIfBySea 7 points ago +7 / -0

This is WW3. This is what war looks like today. Many parties but the lines are drawn. Its global and only one side will come out the other side as a coherent force.

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misterLahey 1 point ago +1 / -0

4GW

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JeremiahKassin 4 points ago +4 / -0

That is about the dumbest thing China could do. If they managed to convert us into a Marxist state, who would buy all of their goods? What, do they figure now that America is wising up to their games, they're just going to take us down with them?

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JeremiahKassin 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, but what kind of world would it be? I mean, China realized they had to incorporate capitalism into their system, or they'd fail catastrophically. We're the largest buyer of their goods, and they want us to adopt the system that nearly destroyed them forever? What, exactly, do they think that would do to their own country? I can't imagine the cognitive dissonance required on their part to think this is a good idea. What good does it do to win a trade war if it plunges the entire world, starting with their own country, into a dark age?

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RallyinStJohnsWood 1 point ago +1 / -0

They want the same thing mohammedanists want: to eliminate, replace us and take our land

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noxousx 4 points ago +4 / -0

Mandatory viewing from a former Soviet KGB agent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdDmeyMJls

It's obvious there is foreign influence. I know this video is an hour long but I can't stress enough how eye-opening it is.

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Varangian 2 points ago +2 / -0

If only we could convince FBI they’re white supremacists....

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Thingthing22 1 point ago +1 / -0

China made 9-11 happen to draw us into a war with them in order to take out two of its mortal enemies without ever getting its hands dirty.

Change my fuckin' mind.

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murderhornet 0 points ago +1 / -1

Trump has already pinned it on the Dancing "Muslims".

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MarquisBoniface 1 point ago +1 / -0

Actual maoist groups are usually anti government ever since Deng reversed the cultural revolution policy

Soros funded a guy there in the 80s

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MarquisBoniface 3 points ago +3 / -0

There was a regime change attempt in the late 80s, Zhao Zinying was the Juan Guaidó of China.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/zhao-ziyang-487131.html

Zhao Ziyang was the Gorbachev that China never had, a symbol of the turn that China never took towards creating a democratic, pluralistic state.

The MSM of the day tried to co opt right wing sentiments in true neocon fashion by portraying the protestors as "nationalists resisting socialism", despite the protestors considering themselves the "true socialists", much like Guaidó does today.

Zhao was not right wing, he was a woke left neomarxist

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/06/tiananmen-square-worker-organization-socialist-democracy

Augusto Pinochet actually praised Deng for reversing the maoist idiocy

This might be a controversial reference, but Chilean dictator (who came to power out of a hatred towards communist radicals, terrorism, and violence in Chile) made this observation on post-cultural-revolution China

http://archive.is/z0FH1

... Curiously, Pinochet’s popularity extends to the People’s Republic of China, which he has visited twice. China is a major client for Chile’s copper exports, and Pinochet has nurtured his relationship with Beijing. “They are very fond of me,” he says. “Because I saw that Chinese Communism was patriotic Communism, not the Communism of Mao. I opened up the doors to Chinese commerce, letting them hold an exposition here, in which they brought everything they had—and they sold everything they brought.” On both his trips to China, Pinochet says, the Chinese treated him with great respect. “The first time they put me in a house, but the last time it was a palace. And I became good friends with General Chen, a warrior who fought in Korea, in Vietnam, and who doesn’t like the Americans very much.” Pinochet shot me a sidelong glance and grinned.

In other words, if the "color revolutionaries" had their way then China would have devolved back into the anarchistic chaos and destruction of the cultural revolution era. The current international trading status quo leaders don't want Chinese competition.

Soros (who actually does fund Antifa) still gets in public fights with them over currency manipulation

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/1906325/how-beijing-and-hong-kong-sent-billionaire-george-soros-packing

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/soros-flags-xi-as-biggest-threat-to-free-society

A more modern parallel would be what the Greyzone called out neocon Jacobin for:

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/

Tianamen Square diplomat talk via wikileaks cables:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/163872-china-tiananmen-square-june4/

To be clear since this involves the infamous oligarch George Soros, he is not that important by himself because he does not exist in isolation nor is he even original. He's better through of as a secretary for a lot of Western elite goals. So observing him allows one to extrapolate what other corrupt oligarchs do.

Washingtonpost article from 1989, including Open Society defense of the group and "denial of Cia involvement":

http://archive.is/PJkV0

FUND'S REPRESENTATIVES ARRESTED IN CHINA

By Marianne Yen August 8, 1989

The Chinese government has arrested and interrogated Chinese representatives of a private American organization in Beijing in what some knowledgeable exiled Chinese sources say is an effort to link ousted General Secretary Zhao Ziyang to "foreign subversive forces." New York financier and philanthropist George Soros, who founded the Fund for the Reform and Opening of China (China Fund) in Beijing, said the Public Security Ministry has detained and interrogated his personal representative, Liang Congjie. Others connected to the fund have been charged with counter-revolutionary activities, he said. Zhao supporters in exile have expressed concern that the government is attempting to link the China Fund to the Central Intelligence Agency in an effort to stage a "secret show trial" showing that Zhao and his deputy, Bao Tong, colluded with foreign elements to mount a counter-revolutionary movement. If found guilty, Zhao and Bao could be executed. In a telephone interview, Soros denied CIA involvement in the China Fund...

All of his "defenses" of that group in retrospect are objectively false. In early 2019 the man directly referenced a lot of this, explicitly citing it as having the goal of subversion:

https://archive.is/4NlT5

...My first effort in China looked rather promising. It involved an exchange of visits between Hungarian economists who were greatly admired in the Communist world, and a team from a newly established Chinese think tank which was eager to learn from the Hungarians.

Based on that initial success, I proposed to Chen Yizi, the leader of the think tank, to replicate the Hungarian model in China. Chen obtained the support of Premier Zhao Ziyang and his reform-minded policy secretary Bao Tong.

A joint venture called the China Fund was inaugurated in October 1986. It was an institution unlike any other in China. On paper, it had complete autonomy.

Bao Tong was its champion. But the opponents of radical reforms, who were numerous, banded together to attack him. They claimed that I was a CIA agent and asked the internal security agency to investigate. To protect himself, Zhao Ziyang replaced Chen Yizi with a high-ranking official in the external security police... Eventually, a Chinese grantee visited me in New York and told me, at considerable risk to himself. Soon thereafter, Zhao Ziyang was removed from power and I used that excuse to close the foundation. This happened just before the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 and it left a “black spot” on the record of the people associated with the foundation.

The thing is, Soros wrote a book on what the "Hungarian model" was, despite his defense of his activity as benevolent:

... The foundation in Hungary worked like a charm. It was exempt from all the pitfalls that beset normal foundations because civil society adopted it as its own. We relied on a simple precept I derived from Karl Popper’s concept of open society: the state dogma, promoted by the ruling Communists, was false; by providing any alternative to the ideological monopoly of the one-party state, we could expose its falsehood to the public. Accordingly, the foundation supported every cultural initiative that was not an expression of official dogma—from zither clubs to farmers’ cooperatives. The amounts awarded were very small because most of the initiatives used facilities provided by the state and the people engaged in them drew salaries from the state. We used the state’s own resources to undermine it.

-In defense of open society, page 49

The "Hungarian model" as he himself explains it, was subverting the state no matter what using any/every chaotic group available while promoting fanatical, unconditional, unproductive hatred of political targets, rather than supporting a clear (and accountable to public scrutiny) opposition platform.

This is the same sort of model used by intelligence agencies when they support groups like the "moderate Syrian rebels" (ie ISIS), as any anti statist group gets unconditional support.

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Muttsbitetoo 1 point ago +1 / -0

Duh.

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murderhornet 1 point ago +2 / -1

Find a lawyer with a subscription to Pacer (digital repsitory of all legal filings) and you'll see there are currently 180,000 sealed indictments created since Trump was elected 3.5 years ago. Usually, there are about 3,000 a year.