Just give me an awesome shield to hide behind. If the door is blasted, then start firing back. If the man answers, great. If he hides, then maybe break the door after being very loud.
Don't go attacking people in the middle of the night like a bunch of criminals. Stop killing innocent people.
If a soldier whines and cries about how he has to take the risks that are part of his job, nobody would respect him, but that's exactly what the cops who like this are doing.
They can learn your schedule and pick you up elsewhere--when you or your relatives are being woken up in the middle of the night, reacting to your door getting kicked in by people who've created a needlessly dangerous situation where they're on edg, anyone might get violent under those conditions. Instead of doing actual police work, they'd rather murder someone's children.
Alright, ANTIFA, calm your tits. Cops aren’t just going around slaughtering people. There are statistically insignificant amounts of tragedies that happen.
That’s 100% bullshit that cops And soldiers are “whining And crying” about doing their jobs.
“Instead of doing actual police work, they’d rather murder someone else’s children...”
Even if it is a no knock warrant, it is not uncommon for police to announce their presence before entering.
They leave police vulnerable when someone can say 'I fired my weapon because I didn't know it was the police; I thought someone was breaking into my house'. Then of course the police fire back and people end up dead.
From wiki-
'From 2010 through 2016, at least 81 civilians and 13 officers died during SWAT raids, including 31 civilians and 8 officers during execution of no-knock warrants.'
Raids in general are dangerous. Judging by these numbers one could make the argument that no-knock warrants are the more dangerous for law enforcement.
Also, there are plenty of known dangerous criminals out there that commit heinous crimes every day. As civilians were sheltered from their depravity.
I don’t know where the fallacy comes in. Are you saying just leave them alone and let them continue being violent criminals until someone dies at their hands?
I wouldn’t knock for cops. I don’t want cops busting down doors in the middle of the night either. People are innocent until proven guilty and their home is their castle. Make your case to me. I’m intrigued
Seems like you wrote a wall of text to mask the fact that you got butthurt.
Your solution works in television shows, not in the real world except for a small handful of situations.
If you have a violent criminal that is holed up somewhere that you know has one way in and out, your way would be fine, but any more points of egress, and then you just have a bunch of people standing around for an indeterminate amount of time.
But hey, keep calling me anything you like. I’ve never met you, so your opinion of me means nothing. Apparently you’re just a kid looking for a fight, and you won’t eat what you want here.
If I was an officer I'd knock, declare myself. The solution is always the constitution. Look to that. Have a warrant then show it. Someone breaks down your door in the middle of night so you draw your gun and shoot them. Now you've killed a cop in self defense. What's your argument for that? Do you prosecute the person defending their home in the middle of the night? What if it's the wrong address? What if all day long. It's simple. Knock, show the warrant. Catch them when they leave, etc. It puts everyone at more risk to do no knock raids. The officers and people. What did we do before no knock raids?
And you’d be shot through the door by the violent criminal you came to apprehend because they don’t give a care about you or the law at all.
No knock warrants don’t just happen because cops are lazy, and YES there are a few instances of it going HORRIFICALLY wrong, but the alternative is even more dead police.
I'm very much against no-knock warrants because I think they violate constitutional laws. NO ONE should be able to come into my house unannounced. You come in and I have every right to defend me, my family, and my property. I don't know what the solution is per say, but violating rights in favor of laziness or bad policing is not cool
No-Knock warrants get people killed for no reason. I know we're back on a cop-loving trip after the riots, but seriously, a lot of cops are abusive freaks who don't see the public as human. The fact that the average police department gets 20% of its budget from asset forfeiture is proof of that, and they've generally gotten more violent as changes in society have led to less crime.
Your average police department gets a fifth of its funding through robbery, and they've gotten more violent as changes in payment methods and how people get drugs has led to less crime. This is what happens when you've dehumanized people on the large scale.
It's not a matter of being an Antifa shill-- why would I have posted so many things against what they represent for months on end just to trick everybody?
There's a big problem with bad behavior on the part of the police, and a freedom-loving guy is taking commonsense steps to deal with that issue. Just because some idiots are taking things too far doesn't mean you have to go too far in the opposite direction.
Yeah, I'm the one that is just throwing out that "a lot of cops are abusive freaks who don't see the public as human" and then backtracking and trying to convince people that they are just a "freedom loving guy".
All I've learned with this post is that many Libertarians are tough talking cowards that want Police to do something they would NEVER do in a million years.
Funny how when asked if they'd be the volunteer knockers, they just dismiss it or say "Just give me a shield, I'll be fine"...
I see this is unpopular with our Libertarian brothers and sisters on here to them I ask:
What are your solutions then? Take away no knock raids, and you will either see cops flat out refuse to attempt to apprehend known violent criminals, or more cops dying because they knocked and tried to be nice to known violent criminals.
I get it, there are mistakes made, but how else are they supposed to deal with the worst of the worst? Would any of you volunteer to be the guy that knocks?
Spez: I see downvotes, but no solutions... if you’re angry about this, surely you have a solution that would work just as well.
Just because we disagree doesn’t make either one of us any less of a Trump supporter or any less of a patriot.
No, I’ve never been a cop, so there goes that argument.
Now if you’d like to give a solution instead of attacking me personally because you have no other argument except for “COPS R TYRANTS IF THEY DON’T DO WHAT I WANT”, then we can have a conversation.
If not, I’ll just stop replying to your rants, and you can have a nice day.
No, they aren’t abused. Mistakes happen, but they happen with anything else too.
FISA are separate and COMPLETELY unconstitutional.
No knock warrants are reserved for known dangerous criminals. Would you rather cops knock and just get shot through a door?
Spez: Downvote all you like, it doesn’t change the fact that no knock raids don’t just happen because a cop thinks someone did something.
Again, what is your solution? Would you volunteer to knock before they go in?
Spez: Funny how none of you would volunteer to knock for the cops...
I'll volunteer to knock.
Just give me an awesome shield to hide behind. If the door is blasted, then start firing back. If the man answers, great. If he hides, then maybe break the door after being very loud.
Don't go attacking people in the middle of the night like a bunch of criminals. Stop killing innocent people.
If a soldier whines and cries about how he has to take the risks that are part of his job, nobody would respect him, but that's exactly what the cops who like this are doing.
They can learn your schedule and pick you up elsewhere--when you or your relatives are being woken up in the middle of the night, reacting to your door getting kicked in by people who've created a needlessly dangerous situation where they're on edg, anyone might get violent under those conditions. Instead of doing actual police work, they'd rather murder someone's children.
Alright, ANTIFA, calm your tits. Cops aren’t just going around slaughtering people. There are statistically insignificant amounts of tragedies that happen.
That’s 100% bullshit that cops And soldiers are “whining And crying” about doing their jobs.
“Instead of doing actual police work, they’d rather murder someone else’s children...”
Even if it is a no knock warrant, it is not uncommon for police to announce their presence before entering.
They leave police vulnerable when someone can say 'I fired my weapon because I didn't know it was the police; I thought someone was breaking into my house'. Then of course the police fire back and people end up dead.
From wiki- 'From 2010 through 2016, at least 81 civilians and 13 officers died during SWAT raids, including 31 civilians and 8 officers during execution of no-knock warrants.' Raids in general are dangerous. Judging by these numbers one could make the argument that no-knock warrants are the more dangerous for law enforcement.
Also, there are plenty of known dangerous criminals out there that commit heinous crimes every day. As civilians were sheltered from their depravity.
I don’t know where the fallacy comes in. Are you saying just leave them alone and let them continue being violent criminals until someone dies at their hands?
I mean, if you want to go to extremes to make your point, sure. Going to extremes is why people are burning down the larger cities right now.
You seem to have some deep seeded fear of police.
I won’t change your mind; and you aren’t any closer to changing mine.
Have a good day.
As I’ve asked others, what is your solution?
Would you volunteer to knock for them?
I wouldn’t knock for cops. I don’t want cops busting down doors in the middle of the night either. People are innocent until proven guilty and their home is their castle. Make your case to me. I’m intrigued
I mean, if you watch a lot of CSI or Batman, sure.
Very convincing argument! Thank you for your insight! I look forward to future interactions with you!
Now if you’d like to have a conversation and not get butthurt when someone tells you that your idea isn’t great, let’s continue.
Seems like you wrote a wall of text to mask the fact that you got butthurt.
Your solution works in television shows, not in the real world except for a small handful of situations.
If you have a violent criminal that is holed up somewhere that you know has one way in and out, your way would be fine, but any more points of egress, and then you just have a bunch of people standing around for an indeterminate amount of time.
But hey, keep calling me anything you like. I’ve never met you, so your opinion of me means nothing. Apparently you’re just a kid looking for a fight, and you won’t eat what you want here.
Sorry Civic bruh, no knock warrants are shit. The case that prompted his bill was 100% a case of a man defending his own home legally.
As I’ve asked others, should police from now on announce themselves to known violent criminals then?
There’s no easy answer here, but banning them outright is as shortsighted as you can get.
Might as well just ban arresting violent thugs, because police aren’t going to even try.
Spez: funny, none of you guys want to volunteer to be the guy that knocks... telling.
Yes police should announce themselves. They are the law and should act as such.
You want police to be at risk by law abiding homeowners who believe they’re protecting their home?
This no-knock didn’t stop gun fire. In fact, it caused it.
Rand paul is right.
So what is the solution? As I’ve asked others, Would you volunteer to knock for them?
If I was an officer I'd knock, declare myself. The solution is always the constitution. Look to that. Have a warrant then show it. Someone breaks down your door in the middle of night so you draw your gun and shoot them. Now you've killed a cop in self defense. What's your argument for that? Do you prosecute the person defending their home in the middle of the night? What if it's the wrong address? What if all day long. It's simple. Knock, show the warrant. Catch them when they leave, etc. It puts everyone at more risk to do no knock raids. The officers and people. What did we do before no knock raids?
And you’d be shot through the door by the violent criminal you came to apprehend because they don’t give a care about you or the law at all.
No knock warrants don’t just happen because cops are lazy, and YES there are a few instances of it going HORRIFICALLY wrong, but the alternative is even more dead police.
Also, I didn’t ask if you were an officer, I asked if you’d volunteer to knock for them.
I mean, you’ve got nothing to worry about, right?
I support ending no knock warrants, it's government overreach. A typical warrant is more than enough.
24 hour rule in effect.
Hard to call it fake, he’s the one that introduced it.
Even his home state newspapers are reporting it.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/11/breonna-taylor-shooting-rand-paul-files-bill-ban-no-knock-warrants/5345478002/
Sorry, I'll clarify. I'm not saying he didn't introduce it or that anything about it isn't authentic.
Just that I'm going to wait 24 hours before I think it's a shady move. He seems to wind up on POTUS' side more often than not IMHO.
You’re joking right? Rand grandstands every chance he gets and flat out goes against Republicans and America just because he doesn’t like something.
I am not joking.
Grandstanding can have its place.
I agree 100%
Rand Paul is right.
So what is the other option? Would you like to volunteer to knock for them?
Spez: Downvote all you like, NOT ONE of you would volunteer to knock. That says everything about how you really feel.
Are you saying there are no cops who would knock or there is no way to capture someone without a no knock? This is an interesting thread
I'm very much against no-knock warrants because I think they violate constitutional laws. NO ONE should be able to come into my house unannounced. You come in and I have every right to defend me, my family, and my property. I don't know what the solution is per say, but violating rights in favor of laziness or bad policing is not cool
That's a good thing, submitter.
No-Knock warrants get people killed for no reason. I know we're back on a cop-loving trip after the riots, but seriously, a lot of cops are abusive freaks who don't see the public as human. The fact that the average police department gets 20% of its budget from asset forfeiture is proof of that, and they've generally gotten more violent as changes in society have led to less crime.
I see we have an ANTIFA shill here.
How am I incorrect?
Re-read your idiotic posts, ANTIFA shill.
When you say dumb shit like "a lot of cops are abusive freaks who don't see the public as human", you out yourself.
MAYBE 1/2 of 1% of cops are pieces of shit that have nothing but contempt for the people and neighborhoods they serve.
But you go on ahead and live your statistically inaccurate, CNN driven life.
Your average police department gets a fifth of its funding through robbery, and they've gotten more violent as changes in payment methods and how people get drugs has led to less crime. This is what happens when you've dehumanized people on the large scale.
It's not a matter of being an Antifa shill-- why would I have posted so many things against what they represent for months on end just to trick everybody?
Shareblue/ANTIFA/ActBlue.... take your pick.
You all want America to burn because, you know "REEEEEEEEEEEEE! EVIL COPS!"
Dude, I think you're the shill, if anyone is.
There's a big problem with bad behavior on the part of the police, and a freedom-loving guy is taking commonsense steps to deal with that issue. Just because some idiots are taking things too far doesn't mean you have to go too far in the opposite direction.
LMAO!
Yeah, I'm the one that is just throwing out that "a lot of cops are abusive freaks who don't see the public as human" and then backtracking and trying to convince people that they are just a "freedom loving guy".
Every whiny anarchist sounds EXACTLY like you.
All I've learned with this post is that many Libertarians are tough talking cowards that want Police to do something they would NEVER do in a million years.
Funny how when asked if they'd be the volunteer knockers, they just dismiss it or say "Just give me a shield, I'll be fine"...
I see this is unpopular with our Libertarian brothers and sisters on here to them I ask:
What are your solutions then? Take away no knock raids, and you will either see cops flat out refuse to attempt to apprehend known violent criminals, or more cops dying because they knocked and tried to be nice to known violent criminals.
I get it, there are mistakes made, but how else are they supposed to deal with the worst of the worst? Would any of you volunteer to be the guy that knocks?
Spez: I see downvotes, but no solutions... if you’re angry about this, surely you have a solution that would work just as well.
For those wondering, no knock warrants are reserved for the worst of the worst of shitbags. They don’t just happen.
And someone who owns a 30 round magazine.
FUCK OFF. NO KNOCK RAIDS ARE TYRANNY
Yeah, because they aren’t reserved for the worst of the worst, and not just anyone right?
I mean, fuck the police, they should announce themselves to dangerous armed criminals, right?
The problem is they keep breaking into the wrong houses.
"BAM BAM BAM POLICE FREEZE FREEZE YOURE UNDER ARREST FOR WHITENESS CRIME 129-B!!!!!!! THE WORST OF THE WORST!!!!!"
Yep. Just go to extremes. That makes everything alright right?
Didn't roger stone get raided with a no knock warrant
Well by the lefts definition he is "the worst of the worst" and that validates it according to a few here tonight...
So you’re saying that police should announce themselves to known violent criminals from now on?
Libertarians sure hate police.
“Device to virtue signal”, “Dem’s Soul”?
Just because we disagree doesn’t make either one of us any less of a Trump supporter or any less of a patriot.
No, I’ve never been a cop, so there goes that argument.
Now if you’d like to give a solution instead of attacking me personally because you have no other argument except for “COPS R TYRANTS IF THEY DON’T DO WHAT I WANT”, then we can have a conversation.
If not, I’ll just stop replying to your rants, and you can have a nice day.
Very rare, reserved for suspects with a known history of extreme violence.
Judging by the replies it would appear that there are those on here that think cops just go around kicking in random people’s doors.
So you mean like Rand Paul then?