That is why they need to go. And with how much these 4 judges are fucking with our country- by any means necessary. Bye bye ruth. Bye bye diversity hire sonto. You didnt bat an eye when Scalia was murdered- taste your medicine
Literally came here to say this. That it was this close is even more unsettling, they are the Supreme Court of the United States for the people of the United States, not the world! And if I stole another citizens identity I wouldn’t be able to bring it before the Supreme Court!
I feel like everybody else is taking fucking crazy pills!
I honestly assumed it was because they aren’t US citizens and aren’t accountable to our laws, which would be a dumb reason, but a reason.. who knows either way it’s stupid
There was a catch-22 in favor of illegal immigrants regarding falsification of tax and ID documents.
Basically it was wrong to submit false docs, but not a chargeable offense as the law did not specify it as chargeable.
States attempted to charge and enforce and using this infraction as proof the illegal forged documents, but the law had a catch-22 preventing such.
SCOTUS deliberated on how to apply the circular Law logic and (in March) ruled it how to read the law in a way to charge individuals with forgery and falsification.
The dissenting votes had to do with the reasonable expectation of privacy and the 5th amendment for the core tax document (w-4?) being eligible as proof.
Lord I hope so. I'm praying for Amy Coney Barrett and I want Roe V. Wade to be overturned along with Marbury V. Madison, which, as we know, gave our Supreme Court the power of judicial review. Thomas Jefferson and Robert Yeates were right.
As for Ruth Bader Ginsberg, no one knows the time of his or her own release from this mortal coil, but I refuse believe she does not understand her value to the Democrats.
She is probably biding her time and not retiring until the opportune moment, which would have been Hillary 2016. Even if she loses that gamble come November, she will have prolonged her replacement, which I pray is Amy Coney Barrett.
How was this not already a crime? Stealing isn't a crime? Identity theft isn't a crime? These (I want to use bad words but won't) -- people in congress for DECADES, like pelosi, schumer, biden, fienstein, et all -- why haven't they fixed this already? It makes me so angry and so sick. And look how evil those SC judges are, the dem appointments, that one AGAIN chose illegals over Americans. We need to make everybody in the country aware of this crap.
After seeing a bunch of posts concerned about the 4 dissenting justices. I too was interested in the "How the FUCK could you be against this?" position, so I have researched it. I'm not a lawyer, but here is what I gather.
The landmark case happened in Kansas where 3 Illegals used a SS# that wasn't theirs in order to get paychecks. Defense attorneys were trying to say "you can't use information on a federal form for state laws. This information is on the I-9." Pretty clever lawyering, it's a defense attorney's job to try to wiggle out for their client.
As far as I can tell, Kansas courts were like "Yeah, nah these guys are guilty" but the interesting question about whose form the I-9 is, and info on it, went to the KANSAS Supreme Court who said, "The I-9 is a federal form, that's not us" - basically those justices said we don't prosecute federal crimes, we are Kansas. Not totally unreasonable, states do state law and feds do federal law. Kansas supreme court also said "besides, we can always charge these guys on the W-4 and K-4 info, which is our documentation and has the same data, and we will. But in this case, your client can be let go because they DID use the I-9 which messes up evidence and the trial is done."
In summary, the dissent is saying ONLY the Feds have rights to police fraud for federal work authorization which isn't unreasonable. The majority are saying, look, if someone fills out the I-9 fraudulently, it is a federal crime but the state can use that information.
HOW THE F COULD IT BE ILLEGAL TO CHARGE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN FOR ID THEFT? What was the minority argument on this one? How did they argue that it would be illegal to charge an illegal alien with ID theft?
Does anyone know a channel or blog where legal fans go through and talk about decisions like this? Mike Cenovich used to blog about stuff a bit, but I want more. Normally when I see headlines like this, and I dig into it, it turns out either there's more to it, or the legal question that was decided on wasn't really the top level question in the headlines at all.
That this even was even a question.
I shouldn't be shocked that it was even such a split decision since at this point it seems like they all really just want to fuck us all over
Yeah and how the fuck did 4 judges for against it. Absolute insanity
"Well, what if the person who broke the law had already broken another law?"
"That would change everything! Not guilty!"
-left-wing judges
Two Wrongs Fuck the Right.
That is why they need to go. And with how much these 4 judges are fucking with our country- by any means necessary. Bye bye ruth. Bye bye diversity hire sonto. You didnt bat an eye when Scalia was murdered- taste your medicine
Literally came here to say this. That it was this close is even more unsettling, they are the Supreme Court of the United States for the people of the United States, not the world! And if I stole another citizens identity I wouldn’t be able to bring it before the Supreme Court!
I feel like everybody else is taking fucking crazy pills!
They should be getting the fucking death penalty for stealing IDs from Americans. Or, hell, for being here illegally in the first place.
That'd stop illegals real fuckin fast.
Why dont illegal aliens have a bounty? After quarentine- im starting to look like Dog.
Trump should find 4 right leaning illegal aliens, give them fake IDs as the four dissenting justices and replace them.
Why is RBG 5'10", have a mustache and speaking Spanish? Don't be racist!
Don't deadname Justice Ginsbergriguez! He can speak any language he wants! He's just telling his truth!
Which has, and will continue, to confuse me.
People thinking internet points mean anything at all.
I’m glad it was finally posted as I had no idea.
Why tf do 4 members of our Supreme Court think we shouldn’t be prosecuting criminals?
Truth. Speaking of life long, anyone personally checked RBG’s pulse lately?
Given how evil she is I'd be surprised if she ever had one.
Lol
She's doing fine, as her recent appearance at the Supreme Court shows.
I think it has to do with a technical definition of what information is able to be used from one form or another due to privacy.
I honestly assumed it was because they aren’t US citizens and aren’t accountable to our laws, which would be a dumb reason, but a reason.. who knows either way it’s stupid
You’d think it would be about the “THEFT” part.
This just means we have 4 dangerous idiots on the Supreme Court.
why the fuck couldn't we?
Jfc
... why did that even need to go to the Supreme Court? Since when have states being able to enforce their laws been a question?
“In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court rules that states can charge illegal aliens for crimes that they commit.“
HONK HONK
Just literally "illegal immigrants should be legally allowed to work".
It's treason but you can bet every corporation in the world is your friend if you support this.
Illegals are illegal
5 to 4?
why wasn't this 9-0? crazy
Let me guess who the 4 opposing votes were.
Why was this even a thing? Why did 4 judges vote you cant? Can I be charged for ID theft?
I mean seriously WTF?
We need a GEOTUS tweet about this
Yeah....missing it as well. I don't think its legal for ANYONE to engage in ID theft.....what the hell is this?
There was a catch-22 in favor of illegal immigrants regarding falsification of tax and ID documents.
Basically it was wrong to submit false docs, but not a chargeable offense as the law did not specify it as chargeable.
States attempted to charge and enforce and using this infraction as proof the illegal forged documents, but the law had a catch-22 preventing such.
SCOTUS deliberated on how to apply the circular Law logic and (in March) ruled it how to read the law in a way to charge individuals with forgery and falsification.
The dissenting votes had to do with the reasonable expectation of privacy and the 5th amendment for the core tax document (w-4?) being eligible as proof.
This having to go to before the Supreme court is BS.
They are so scared of Trump replacing Ginsberg as well. It is going to happen.
Lord I hope so. I'm praying for Amy Coney Barrett and I want Roe V. Wade to be overturned along with Marbury V. Madison, which, as we know, gave our Supreme Court the power of judicial review. Thomas Jefferson and Robert Yeates were right.
As for Ruth Bader Ginsberg, no one knows the time of his or her own release from this mortal coil, but I refuse believe she does not understand her value to the Democrats.
She is probably biding her time and not retiring until the opportune moment, which would have been Hillary 2016. Even if she loses that gamble come November, she will have prolonged her replacement, which I pray is Amy Coney Barrett.
How was this a close decision? WTF
I needed some good news!
As usual five justices can read, 3 can't and one is a robot
It should be 9-0. Democrats are traitors.
Why is this a split decision?? How?
How was this not already a crime? Stealing isn't a crime? Identity theft isn't a crime? These (I want to use bad words but won't) -- people in congress for DECADES, like pelosi, schumer, biden, fienstein, et all -- why haven't they fixed this already? It makes me so angry and so sick. And look how evil those SC judges are, the dem appointments, that one AGAIN chose illegals over Americans. We need to make everybody in the country aware of this crap.
Duh
They wont even charge rioters and looters and you think that this law will be applied? How cute.
That sounds reassuring until you realize Roberts literally decides by a coin toss every time.
Sad that they couldn't.
Well that’s just common sense.
Why is this even 5-4....Make the Supreme Court Great Again
who votes against this??
5 = Americans 4 = Communists
The only surprising thing is that Spaghetti Spine Roberts didn't side with the Dems....
After seeing a bunch of posts concerned about the 4 dissenting justices. I too was interested in the "How the FUCK could you be against this?" position, so I have researched it. I'm not a lawyer, but here is what I gather.
The landmark case happened in Kansas where 3 Illegals used a SS# that wasn't theirs in order to get paychecks. Defense attorneys were trying to say "you can't use information on a federal form for state laws. This information is on the I-9." Pretty clever lawyering, it's a defense attorney's job to try to wiggle out for their client.
As far as I can tell, Kansas courts were like "Yeah, nah these guys are guilty" but the interesting question about whose form the I-9 is, and info on it, went to the KANSAS Supreme Court who said, "The I-9 is a federal form, that's not us" - basically those justices said we don't prosecute federal crimes, we are Kansas. Not totally unreasonable, states do state law and feds do federal law. Kansas supreme court also said "besides, we can always charge these guys on the W-4 and K-4 info, which is our documentation and has the same data, and we will. But in this case, your client can be let go because they DID use the I-9 which messes up evidence and the trial is done."
In summary, the dissent is saying ONLY the Feds have rights to police fraud for federal work authorization which isn't unreasonable. The majority are saying, look, if someone fills out the I-9 fraudulently, it is a federal crime but the state can use that information.
But will they?
How the fuck was it that close??
Goode decision, but can't believe that four Justices opposed it.
Wait what? Roberts let a reasonable decision through?
Why was this even an issue? It is illegal for anyone to do so? Why do illegal aliens enjoy special considerations above and beyond citizens?
I've already not been watching at all for 3 seasons. I was a fantasy football nerd too. Loved the NFL.
HOW THE F COULD IT BE ILLEGAL TO CHARGE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN FOR ID THEFT? What was the minority argument on this one? How did they argue that it would be illegal to charge an illegal alien with ID theft?
Are you fucking kidding me?!?!? It took the highest court in the land to answer this, and it was close???
Does anyone know a channel or blog where legal fans go through and talk about decisions like this? Mike Cenovich used to blog about stuff a bit, but I want more. Normally when I see headlines like this, and I dig into it, it turns out either there's more to it, or the legal question that was decided on wasn't really the top level question in the headlines at all.
What's it matter when states refuse to prosecute immigrants for literally anything anyway?