They trapped us in our houses for months with nothing to do but learn to cook. And now they are pissing us off with bullshit like this. Not good business strategy.
I bet at least 1/5 of all real pizza lovers have learnt to make a good pizza, or at least top a supermarket pizza with top grade cheese and stuff enough to taste way better than Papa John.
You should use dbl zero flour for the crust and san marzano tomatoes for the sauce. Make your sauce at least a day ahead. Make your dough a day ahead of pizza day and let it ferment in the fridge overnight. Top shelf cheeses of choice and fresh herbs. Preferably a brick oven or at least a pizza stone. Highest heat setting on your oven.
(seriously, take this fellas advice. I come from an italian family of incredible cooks and pizza-makers, and from a state with some of the best pizza, and this is it. The 00 flour and fermenting in the fridge overnight are the two most important aspects. The san marzano recommendations I can get behind, I'm personally a fan, but you can make a good sauce with or without san marzano. They just have a very specific soil that gives the tomatos a slightly different [less acidic] taste that some prefer, some don't. I typically make my sauce by using 1 giant can of crushed tomatoes, 1 medium can of sauce, and one tiny can of paste. I'll usually use san marzano for either the crushed tomato or the sauce, and the rest just regular tomato-based. But it's all about experimenting and finding what you like!)
Doesn't have a brick oven, but it's only the recent months that I look through the bakery supply shops and found legit places that sorts their flour on protein content. There were so many people I queued 20 minutes just to get in.
A good portion of people that was bored in Spring'20 will stop being sheeple; already evidenced by multiple Hollywood celeb backlashes when they put up their cringe virtue signalling videos.
King Arthur has always been cucked (they're local, have stores all over my school and general area, etc. I've been using bob's red mill now for flour w/ good results, and, at least as far as I know, they aren' a political company in any way [someone please correct me if I'm wrong])
Both these businesses are losing on both ends for not having conviction. Starbucks stood up for gun owners and simple said "we will follow the local laws" which did include open carry. Pissing off large liberal clientele. Then they caved and ban open carry all stores pissing off the other half. Papa john made some statements on a conference call costing him the nfl collaboration, pissing off half his customers, now this pissing off the other half
The beans are also of such inferior quality that they have to overroast and burn the bad flavor profile out of them all, call it a "dark roast," and promote it as "strong" coffee to the moronic masses. Pro-tip: "dark-roast," was a marketing ploy as a way to use up and sell inferior beans. It was initially a way peasants in france and italy were able to afford coffee, but America has found a way to actually convince people that real coffee-lovers like "strong" coffee, which can only be a "dark roast." I even used to think this until I began roasting my own coffee. Medium to medium-dark is the most flavorful, and highlights the most notes. Dark isn't even preferred for espresso (another myth). Once the bean becomes shiny and almost black, it's burnt and lost nearly all its flavor. The more it's roasted, the less caffeine, too. And if you want "strong," coffee (as in flavor), that just comes down to your brew time, ground size/courseness, and grounds to water ratio.
It was initially a way peasants in france and italy were able to afford coffee, but America has found a way to actually convince people that real coffee-lovers like "strong" coffee, which can only be a "dark roast."
Yet another sheeple-consumer ploy. :/
Reminded me vaguely of a Tom Sawyer chapter - His Aunt made him paint their fence but he doesn't want to, so he managed to convinced a dozen of other boys that painting the fence (whitewash) is fun, and ended up somehow convincing that BOYS SHOULD PAY HIM TO BE ALLOWED TO PAINT THE FENCE.
(Based Mark Twain, no wonder the school system try to smear the work as Racist and stop children from reading it and not becoming the sheeples big corp wants them to become!)
Ha, great reference! I know the bit from Tom Sawyer, though I've actually never read the book. Have read Huck Finn quite a few times, so I really should do myself a favor and read Tom Sawyer. Love Mark Twain!
Pizza dough recipe: Two cups flour, 2 tbsp yeast, 2 tbsp sugar, one cup water. Mix, kneed for minute or two, let rise, add your favorite herbs, salt, toppings and bake. Easy, peezy, cheesy.
Double the recipe, freeze half. When you want to use the other half, just thaw
and let rise.
And get the 'best for bread' flour. It has added gluten. Plus, once it 'proofs' let it set in the fridge (covered) overnight. The yeast does extra stuff beyond the initial growth phase.
If you think gluten is bad for you, what you actually have is more likely an allergy to wheat or some type of contaminant in it.
Every town/city/neighborhood across this great country has a friggin pizza shop. For God's sake people start supporting your local pizzeria. Why is this so hard??
I thought when I moved out of state, I wouldn't be able to get my favorite pizza anymore. Found the best pizza I've ever had from a local-regional chain.
My morning coffee comes from the local gas station. Just as good as Starbucks and 75¢ to refill my insulated mug. Of course the Barista (me) is butt ugly so there is that.
Read in the past that over-roasting was because they picked the beans with (low grade?) machine instead of good old hand picking.
Human pickers only chooses ripe beans. The machine doesn't tell and cuts away everything, including some very unripe green beans, which processing plants are forced to "chuck" somewhere into those cheap & very over-roasted blends.
Starbucks uses sub-par blends with lots of green beans and they burnt it to extract what little flavour raw beans had and try to pass off their burnt taste as smoky.
yup, dark roast is just burning the beans, and a way to get rid of the bad flavor-profile of inferior beans (I just commented this elsewhere in the thread if you want more info, but it started as a marketing plot to get rid of beans that would otherwise be trash).
As for a good recommendation of coffee: I recommend an Ethiopian Yirgacheffe, roasted medium to medium-dark (I roast my own). If roasted correctly, you'll get some chocolate and buttery overtones (which is what I aim for, but other roasts will bring out more fruity notes)
Papa Johns is simply the worst pizza I've ever eaten. It's like you take processed food and process it again. It's like what Pizza would taste like if it came out of a can. It feels completely devoid of any nutritional value. i don't get how they are still in business.
I have a problem boycotting, not because I'm foreign but because I don't usually put overpriced brand junk into my mouth to begin with. (And I also save over 1/4 of my take home pay. Guess the international conglomerates can go hate me all they want.)
Came here to post this. Those limpdicks on the PJ board tossed Papa because- wait for it- MUH RACISSIM.
Fortune.com: “ The decision comes in the wake of Schnatter’s resignation as company chairman following his use of the N-word during a media-training conference call in May. Schnatter also described in graphic detail the lynching of African Americans in his home state of Indiana, albeit in the context of making a point about not being racist.”
Pete’s coffee is very good quality - great price, although here I’m sure BRC is popular. Pizza is easy and very cheap to make at home - fuck the pizza stone and fancy shit, just an oven safe pan for pan pizza. Make the dough ahead of time - freeze it in zip-lock bags - it’s a one dish meal.
If we're talking "Peet's" coffee, I think it is everywhere by now. I'm on the eastcoast, and it's in every grocery store, my school's little coffee shop uses it, etc. It's pretty good. Also, I highly recommend everyone that's really into coffee just learn to roast their own. It can be done in a $20 popcorn popper, but you can also get an actual coffee roaster for like $150. That, a good grinder, and a hario v60 (or any pour over) and you've got the best coffee you'll ever experience. (roasted) Coffee beans go stale in 2 weeks (and grounds start going stale after about 20 minutes of being ground), so even the best coffee bought at the store is going to be stale (unless you're buying at a local coffee shop that roasts themselves)
I was just commenting in regards to Peet's, I understand now after you clarifying, but OP made it seem like Peet's coffee (not the stores, just the coffee) wasn't all over the U.S., so was just noting how it's everywhere where I live in the east coast. But yea, I've never seen a physical "Peet's Coffee," shop, just their coffee sold everywhere, and a ton of coffeeshops that only brew/sell Peet's. But yeah, at least where I live, there are a ton of local coffee shops that roast their own coffee, tons of local roasters, etc, which is nice and makes avoiding starbucks easy -- I used to work at one of them for a time and was kind of where I learned how to roast coffee myself and find what brew methods I preferred. Plus, as you were noting, they always support local artists and musicians, sell art/local merch, have open mics and various events, etc. Owner where I used to work (roaster/coffee shop just off campus) was conservative, and it took about a year before the two of us realized we held similar views. I think we both just assumed, with everyone in the area being so progressive/left, that the other was likely a lefty as well, so it was awesome when we finally realized we could find a quiet corner to talk politics. I no longer work here, but he still hooks me up and remains my go-to source for unroasted beans (he travels to source his beans, and still sells them to me close to cost, around $3/lb [unless we're talking jamacain blue mountain or something)
And on your first sentence, funny you bring that up (or coincidental, anyway) -- my absolute favorite coffee as of late is a Brazilian Adrano (Ardrano ?) bean that has a very distinct flavor from being grown in volcanic soil. I'm a kind of coffee snob in the sense that I enjoy a good cup and roasting and brewing coffee has just become a relaxing hobby to me that also just happens to lead to me drinking better coffee, but I also don't turn my nose up to regular or "bad," coffee. I actually really enjoy the "bad," coffee at a lot of diners (as long as it's not watered down, there's something enjoyable about diner coffee to me for some reason), and I actually like (for cheap coffee) chock full of nuts (not sure which roast, but it's what my mom keeps around so I always drink that from a regular Mr Coffee when I visit). All that said, I've always hated Starbucks, even when I was less "snobby," with coffee and really didn't care all that much where it was from (a time when I'd drink coffee from anywhere except starbucks, and it had nothing to do w/ politics, their "vibe," or anything. It just tasted like piss battery acid to me lol). just always tasted genuinely bad to me, and I'd rather drink 99 cent cumberland farms (local east coast gas station/convenient store to those unfamiliar) coffee than starbucks.
I have a fairly expensive espresso machine and grinder - I drink coffee everyday and it’s paid for itself many times over. I’ve tried everything and always come back to Pete’s Major Dicks beans.
Papa Murphy's, if you are fortunate to have one in your area (take and bake pizza, fresh ingredients). Support your local coffee vendor. Either a local barista, or Dunkin'. I haven't bought Heathen Coffee since they promised to hire 100,000 illegals.
To tell you the truth I don’t eat out anymore because I don’t trust strangers cooking my food. so I’m done with that . If I’m that hungry I’ll go to the store get a loaf of bread and a package of bologna and boom
Pan pan! Back in the college days, 2 giant square pizzas were fantastic, until the next morning. Crazy 8...8 toppings...good stuff when you are 18 and dont any better.
I learned I can buy green coffee beans from Amazon for only two cents more an ounce than pre-ground and roasted Folgers, which has already gone stale by the time you buy it. Green beans stay fresh for years, you roast them in your oven, and they last a good six weeks.
I don't go to Starbucks, but they don't advertise on Tucker Carlson. They never have that I can find. Boycott them because they are a cuck, left-wing company.
Does anyone actually like starbucks coffee? I mean the coffee itself, not after they turn it into an ice cream shake. I normally drink coffee black and starbucks just tastes burnt and stale.
They trapped us in our houses for months with nothing to do but learn to cook. And now they are pissing us off with bullshit like this. Not good business strategy.
I bet at least 1/5 of all real pizza lovers have learnt to make a good pizza, or at least top a supermarket pizza with top grade cheese and stuff enough to taste way better than Papa John.
You should use dbl zero flour for the crust and san marzano tomatoes for the sauce. Make your sauce at least a day ahead. Make your dough a day ahead of pizza day and let it ferment in the fridge overnight. Top shelf cheeses of choice and fresh herbs. Preferably a brick oven or at least a pizza stone. Highest heat setting on your oven.
This guy pizza's!!!
(seriously, take this fellas advice. I come from an italian family of incredible cooks and pizza-makers, and from a state with some of the best pizza, and this is it. The 00 flour and fermenting in the fridge overnight are the two most important aspects. The san marzano recommendations I can get behind, I'm personally a fan, but you can make a good sauce with or without san marzano. They just have a very specific soil that gives the tomatos a slightly different [less acidic] taste that some prefer, some don't. I typically make my sauce by using 1 giant can of crushed tomatoes, 1 medium can of sauce, and one tiny can of paste. I'll usually use san marzano for either the crushed tomato or the sauce, and the rest just regular tomato-based. But it's all about experimenting and finding what you like!)
Saved your instructions lol.
Doesn't have a brick oven, but it's only the recent months that I look through the bakery supply shops and found legit places that sorts their flour on protein content. There were so many people I queued 20 minutes just to get in.
A good portion of people that was bored in Spring'20 will stop being sheeple; already evidenced by multiple Hollywood celeb backlashes when they put up their cringe virtue signalling videos.
You sir definitely know Your pizza, that is exactly how I make mine down to the double zero flour.
Pizza stones rock. And if you are hard core making your own dough, stop using King Arthur flour. They too have cucked out to BLM.
King Arthur has always been cucked (they're local, have stores all over my school and general area, etc. I've been using bob's red mill now for flour w/ good results, and, at least as far as I know, they aren' a political company in any way [someone please correct me if I'm wrong])
Both these businesses are losing on both ends for not having conviction. Starbucks stood up for gun owners and simple said "we will follow the local laws" which did include open carry. Pissing off large liberal clientele. Then they caved and ban open carry all stores pissing off the other half. Papa john made some statements on a conference call costing him the nfl collaboration, pissing off half his customers, now this pissing off the other half
Yes.
Im so fucking sick of the left using this on us and getting us fired from our jobs.
Fucking stop watching the NFL, NBA, papa johns and shitty starbicks.
Stop giving these commies money.
WE have the money in this country, WE have the power.
Stop being pussies
Aren't Starbucks coffee beans harvested by literal slaves?
Yes. BLACK slaves. Good thing they are so "woke"..
The beans are also of such inferior quality that they have to overroast and burn the bad flavor profile out of them all, call it a "dark roast," and promote it as "strong" coffee to the moronic masses. Pro-tip: "dark-roast," was a marketing ploy as a way to use up and sell inferior beans. It was initially a way peasants in france and italy were able to afford coffee, but America has found a way to actually convince people that real coffee-lovers like "strong" coffee, which can only be a "dark roast." I even used to think this until I began roasting my own coffee. Medium to medium-dark is the most flavorful, and highlights the most notes. Dark isn't even preferred for espresso (another myth). Once the bean becomes shiny and almost black, it's burnt and lost nearly all its flavor. The more it's roasted, the less caffeine, too. And if you want "strong," coffee (as in flavor), that just comes down to your brew time, ground size/courseness, and grounds to water ratio.
(Thanks for the coffee info up there too!)
Yet another sheeple-consumer ploy. :/ Reminded me vaguely of a Tom Sawyer chapter - His Aunt made him paint their fence but he doesn't want to, so he managed to convinced a dozen of other boys that painting the fence (whitewash) is fun, and ended up somehow convincing that BOYS SHOULD PAY HIM TO BE ALLOWED TO PAINT THE FENCE.
(Based Mark Twain, no wonder the school system try to smear the work as Racist and stop children from reading it and not becoming the sheeples big corp wants them to become!)
Ha, great reference! I know the bit from Tom Sawyer, though I've actually never read the book. Have read Huck Finn quite a few times, so I really should do myself a favor and read Tom Sawyer. Love Mark Twain!
Pizza dough recipe: Two cups flour, 2 tbsp yeast, 2 tbsp sugar, one cup water. Mix, kneed for minute or two, let rise, add your favorite herbs, salt, toppings and bake. Easy, peezy, cheesy.
Double the recipe, freeze half. When you want to use the other half, just thaw and let rise.
Fuck Papa John.
Sounds delicious! Thanks!
add a little salt to your dough recipe
And get the 'best for bread' flour. It has added gluten. Plus, once it 'proofs' let it set in the fridge (covered) overnight. The yeast does extra stuff beyond the initial growth phase.
If you think gluten is bad for you, what you actually have is more likely an allergy to wheat or some type of contaminant in it.
I prefer honey over sugar in the dough.
Either or but when making pizza dough it is very important to add the fuck you Papa John. It makes it taste better.
Every town/city/neighborhood across this great country has a friggin pizza shop. For God's sake people start supporting your local pizzeria. Why is this so hard??
I thought when I moved out of state, I wouldn't be able to get my favorite pizza anymore. Found the best pizza I've ever had from a local-regional chain.
Yes!
My morning coffee comes from the local gas station. Just as good as Starbucks and 75¢ to refill my insulated mug. Of course the Barista (me) is butt ugly so there is that.
Do you tip yourself? 🤪 Sorry, I couldn't resist.
If you tip yourself then you can tip $20 and get $20 to spend somewhere! - Socialist thinking
Read in the past that over-roasting was because they picked the beans with (low grade?) machine instead of good old hand picking.
Human pickers only chooses ripe beans. The machine doesn't tell and cuts away everything, including some very unripe green beans, which processing plants are forced to "chuck" somewhere into those cheap & very over-roasted blends.
Starbucks uses sub-par blends with lots of green beans and they burnt it to extract what little flavour raw beans had and try to pass off their burnt taste as smoky.
yup, dark roast is just burning the beans, and a way to get rid of the bad flavor-profile of inferior beans (I just commented this elsewhere in the thread if you want more info, but it started as a marketing plot to get rid of beans that would otherwise be trash).
As for a good recommendation of coffee: I recommend an Ethiopian Yirgacheffe, roasted medium to medium-dark (I roast my own). If roasted correctly, you'll get some chocolate and buttery overtones (which is what I aim for, but other roasts will bring out more fruity notes)
Papa Johns is simply the worst pizza I've ever eaten. It's like you take processed food and process it again. It's like what Pizza would taste like if it came out of a can. It feels completely devoid of any nutritional value. i don't get how they are still in business.
That's an insult to frozen boxed pizzas from the supermarket which are totally better!
I have a problem boycotting, not because I'm foreign but because I don't usually put overpriced brand junk into my mouth to begin with. (And I also save over 1/4 of my take home pay. Guess the international conglomerates can go hate me all they want.)
Starbucks advertised on Tucker?
Honestly that's surprising in itself.
Starbucks was always cucked and Papa John's kicked out their based founder.
Absolutely no reason to do business with either of these companies unless you really like their products.
Came here to post this. Those limpdicks on the PJ board tossed Papa because- wait for it- MUH RACISSIM.
Fortune.com: “ The decision comes in the wake of Schnatter’s resignation as company chairman following his use of the N-word during a media-training conference call in May. Schnatter also described in graphic detail the lynching of African Americans in his home state of Indiana, albeit in the context of making a point about not being racist.”
Pete’s coffee is very good quality - great price, although here I’m sure BRC is popular. Pizza is easy and very cheap to make at home - fuck the pizza stone and fancy shit, just an oven safe pan for pan pizza. Make the dough ahead of time - freeze it in zip-lock bags - it’s a one dish meal.
I fell in love with Pete's when I lived in SF. Great coffee, literally shit city.
If we're talking "Peet's" coffee, I think it is everywhere by now. I'm on the eastcoast, and it's in every grocery store, my school's little coffee shop uses it, etc. It's pretty good. Also, I highly recommend everyone that's really into coffee just learn to roast their own. It can be done in a $20 popcorn popper, but you can also get an actual coffee roaster for like $150. That, a good grinder, and a hario v60 (or any pour over) and you've got the best coffee you'll ever experience. (roasted) Coffee beans go stale in 2 weeks (and grounds start going stale after about 20 minutes of being ground), so even the best coffee bought at the store is going to be stale (unless you're buying at a local coffee shop that roasts themselves)
I was just commenting in regards to Peet's, I understand now after you clarifying, but OP made it seem like Peet's coffee (not the stores, just the coffee) wasn't all over the U.S., so was just noting how it's everywhere where I live in the east coast. But yea, I've never seen a physical "Peet's Coffee," shop, just their coffee sold everywhere, and a ton of coffeeshops that only brew/sell Peet's. But yeah, at least where I live, there are a ton of local coffee shops that roast their own coffee, tons of local roasters, etc, which is nice and makes avoiding starbucks easy -- I used to work at one of them for a time and was kind of where I learned how to roast coffee myself and find what brew methods I preferred. Plus, as you were noting, they always support local artists and musicians, sell art/local merch, have open mics and various events, etc. Owner where I used to work (roaster/coffee shop just off campus) was conservative, and it took about a year before the two of us realized we held similar views. I think we both just assumed, with everyone in the area being so progressive/left, that the other was likely a lefty as well, so it was awesome when we finally realized we could find a quiet corner to talk politics. I no longer work here, but he still hooks me up and remains my go-to source for unroasted beans (he travels to source his beans, and still sells them to me close to cost, around $3/lb [unless we're talking jamacain blue mountain or something)
And on your first sentence, funny you bring that up (or coincidental, anyway) -- my absolute favorite coffee as of late is a Brazilian Adrano (Ardrano ?) bean that has a very distinct flavor from being grown in volcanic soil. I'm a kind of coffee snob in the sense that I enjoy a good cup and roasting and brewing coffee has just become a relaxing hobby to me that also just happens to lead to me drinking better coffee, but I also don't turn my nose up to regular or "bad," coffee. I actually really enjoy the "bad," coffee at a lot of diners (as long as it's not watered down, there's something enjoyable about diner coffee to me for some reason), and I actually like (for cheap coffee) chock full of nuts (not sure which roast, but it's what my mom keeps around so I always drink that from a regular Mr Coffee when I visit). All that said, I've always hated Starbucks, even when I was less "snobby," with coffee and really didn't care all that much where it was from (a time when I'd drink coffee from anywhere except starbucks, and it had nothing to do w/ politics, their "vibe," or anything. It just tasted like piss battery acid to me lol). just always tasted genuinely bad to me, and I'd rather drink 99 cent cumberland farms (local east coast gas station/convenient store to those unfamiliar) coffee than starbucks.
I have a fairly expensive espresso machine and grinder - I drink coffee everyday and it’s paid for itself many times over. I’ve tried everything and always come back to Pete’s Major Dicks beans.
Have always hated Starbucks and Papa John's for a long time, so no problem on my side.
Can't boycott what you never bought.
Seriously, you can make better coffee than Starfucks with a $40 bean to cup machine from Aldi and a $3 pack of beans.
Make your coffee at home. It’s cheaper and better.
Papa Murphy's, if you are fortunate to have one in your area (take and bake pizza, fresh ingredients). Support your local coffee vendor. Either a local barista, or Dunkin'. I haven't bought Heathen Coffee since they promised to hire 100,000 illegals.
To tell you the truth I don’t eat out anymore because I don’t trust strangers cooking my food. so I’m done with that . If I’m that hungry I’ll go to the store get a loaf of bread and a package of bologna and boom
Papa Johns uses soybean oil in their dough. They want you to be a good soy boi 🤪
Done! Grab some freshly roasted local coffee and a pizza stone and your quality of life will improve 200% WHILE saving money
Havent had nasty starbucks swill in 12 years, and ive never had papa johns.
They literally burn their beans to get a consistent flavor since no once place can supply their needs. It is horrid coffee.
Starbucks has roasts that smell like actual trash.
IF you ever thought Papa Johns was quality, you are an idiot.
Edit: Maybe you just don't know good pizza. If you are ordered John's you might as well order Little Caesar's.
Pan pan! Back in the college days, 2 giant square pizzas were fantastic, until the next morning. Crazy 8...8 toppings...good stuff when you are 18 and dont any better.
I read a Vanity Fair article years ago where some coffee snob dismisses Starbucks: 'they don't sell coffee, they sell milk.'
Black Rifle Coffee is on our side. And it is good.
I'm tired of all these boycotts happening.
Because I never buy any of those products to begin with.... I wish I could participate.
Thanks for the heads up, but I shed those two companies from my life, years ago.
I learned I can buy green coffee beans from Amazon for only two cents more an ounce than pre-ground and roasted Folgers, which has already gone stale by the time you buy it. Green beans stay fresh for years, you roast them in your oven, and they last a good six weeks.
That is good information. Thanks!
I don't go to Starbucks, but they don't advertise on Tucker Carlson. They never have that I can find. Boycott them because they are a cuck, left-wing company.
Does anyone actually like starbucks coffee? I mean the coffee itself, not after they turn it into an ice cream shake. I normally drink coffee black and starbucks just tastes burnt and stale.
So glad I have Dutch bros 💙
I've been boycotting Starbucks for years due to their tax avoidance schemes.
I didn't know this and ordered pj last night... whelp - it's pizza and it tastes good but it's not worth the $35. Last one for me. fk em.