And this is why BLM hates the body cams they fought so hard for back in 2015. The concept backfired, but the left can never admit its mistakes, so time to cancel the police.
But I'm not sure that's true. The average BLM supporter doesn't hold the temperament to view video footage from a dispassionate prospective. You and I may see videos that show police acting legally, but all they see are uppity white pigs killing members of the magical, beautiful black race. Thats why these videos always make for excellent anti-police, anti-white propaganda.
Go watch those "Last Chance High" videos of black schools. The kids are allowed to do whatever they want. The poor teacher can't put hands on the kids, so they just sit there trying to teach the two or three kids who actually give a damn...
Meanwhile the other fifteen kids in the class are a bunch of shrieking howler monkeys constantly fighting, shouting, and threatening each other. Every now and then security drags one of them out but they'll be back the next day.
They're raised without parents who give a damn, so it's almost like an experiment in what humans would behave like if they were just turned out loose into the world with no rules.
These fucking cavemen grow up believing that only two things matter:
How much tougher and stronger you are than anyone else, because 'might makes right',
That the world exists solely to benefit them, and they can do whatever they want.
This asshole was probably one of them. The second someone tried to make him do something he didn't want to do (put cuffs on him), he turned into a neanderthal. All he was going to do was go to jail for the weekend, get a court date, pay a $1,000 fine and time served and lose his license for a month.
Instead he's fucking dead, because his primate brain could only comprehend two things:
I don't want to do this, so therefore I will make it not happen.
I will make it not happen by being tougher and stronger and hurting anyone until I get my way.
They never grew up experiencing consequences for their actions. They grow up with the intellectual development of a five year old throwing a violent tantrum until they get what they want.
The real victims of this are always the small handful of black children and students who actually are raised right and grow up having every opportunity crushed by the 'bucket of crabs' that is everyone else in their community.
Just had this conversation with my wife in the kitchen after showing her the video.
"why is he resisting? Dont fight back. The cop was very polite to him the whole time" "youre in trouble, face your mistakes"
You can’t fire a police officer for defending his own life against an armed individual, but she did, and her decision will be ruled as wrong in a court of law
Bottoms showed how terrible she was yesterday. A complete asshat incompetent that doesn’t live in the real world. The officer claimed he was hit with the taser as well in this video. That can’t be allowed to happen.
“Whitenesses day the victim wasn’t unarmed” knowing damn well that is false. But yea witnesses said it so it’s not lying. But it’s unethical as fuck to put that there without clarifying that it was false.
The officer states in the full video that he felt the taser hit him but it didn't catch or whatever so he didn't get shocked. That's my understanding from what he said.
When asked, he answers and looks to the place where he felt it hit him, checking for marks, which is the natural thing anyone would do in that situation I think. Like "Oh yeah, I should check that", after forgetting to check because of all the commotion and adrenaline and such.
I suppose the arguments will be that perhaps that taser model can only be fired once, and therefore the weapon would have been inert after the first shot.
Counter defense is probably that things happen in real time suuuper fast, and he made the decision to shoot quickly after seeing him turn and fire.
Did he HAVE to shoot him? Maybe not. But I personally don't fault him for the split second decision.
I'm just wondering about the legality of all this. At first it seemed open and shut case of justified shooting. As I look more closely it doesn't seem so clear.
He KNEW he had been hit by the tazer, meaning the tazer had been fired, and that the perp wasn't holding a gun. Are there models of tazer that can fire more than once? I thought the thing was a useless mess after firing, with leads hanging all over the place until you put it back together.
If he made the decision to shoot the perp AFTER being hit by the tazer, that looks pretty questionable. Shooting an unarmed man. And I think this was the cop that had the tazer pulled out of his hand, pretty quickly and easily? The case
could be made he had been humiliated, and this was now an ego trip.
If it's legal to kill a fleeing suspect that has proven he's dangerous, like to protect the community? That would be justification.
There were 2 officers. The one closest to the guy running away is the one that got hit with the tazer, and the other officer farther away is the one who shot his gun 3 times quickly, as far as I understand from the video.
I think you're thinking that it was one cop and he shot the guy after getting shot at with the tazer, and I don't think that's the case here.
No there were definitely two cops. If there was only one it's harder to fault the cop for shooting. I'm not sure if the cop who shot is the one who had his tazer taken from him?
That might become a significant issue. I would think the cop who had his tazer taken knew the perp had his tazer. The other cop probably knew too, but maybe not?
Legally, shooter cop might not be charged because he fired so soon after the tazer was fired. I think he shouldn't have pulled the trigger and it may be that everyone agrees, but reaction time is only so fast and adrenaline does funny things. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes to make a decision on this.
Mayor is ridiculous making a snap decision. Police chief quit. Glad I'm not in a city, wishing I was farther away from any city!
You can shoot a criminal for pointing a revolver at you after firing 6 shots. No idea why this would be different. Bigger question is can the police department bill his estate for the spent tazer?
Thank you for this! The audio of people getting upset at the cops is disturbing. The one guy saying "This dude was not being aggressive" like Oh really, did you miss the part where he struggled and stole the tazer and ran, and then attempted to shoot a cop with a tazer?
A tazed cop is a cop who's gonna lose his gun, and probably his life. Threatening to taze a cop is no joke
That is exactly whst cops most extensive training is about...being better in the heat of the moment than the rest of us. Being able to have the temperament to judge use if lethal force in split seconds.
Training each and every street cop to the standards of a marine, where will the money come from? Sure as hell not the public, no, they want to defund the police. So how will these cops be trained in martial arts, combat and tactical analysis without money? Are they going to do it for free? Are you asking them to spend more time out of what is already a 12 hour shift to train and study for free?
Actually a 2 shot weapon. 2 people can be tased and incapacitated at the same time if he hits both.
In a 1v1 situation if the guy gets the officer's Taser it's for sure a lethal force situation since if you get Tased you are completely incapacitated and are at risk of having your face stomped without being able to fight back or having your gun or other weapons taken.
It's a 2v1 situation though so it does change the dynamics.
Everyone stop replying to this retard. The user name is a poor attempt to hide the name "Bash the Fash" aka this guy is an AntiFa troll. We see you loser.
I noticed that but in the chaos and confusion, in the moment, I'd still side with the cops.
They're human beings and the guy they were arresting didn't have to spaz out like that.
The cops at the time don't have the luxury of frame by frame playback before deciding to pull the trigger. It's something to learn from but you're holding cops to an impossible standard. If you're going to do that then you might as well abolish them since it's impossible.
You think you have special powers of telepathy that you know exactly what someone knew or didn't now in a given situation and what they were thinking or weren't thinking.
In situations of self defence the aggressors life is in forfeit. If in any doubt you don't take the risk. If you need to stop them you use maximum force and you don't take the risk that lower force will be insufficient.
I'm tired of people reading into self defence and siding with thugs and attackers.
In this case his only mistake was shooting a few seconds too late. At that point he had no idea for sure if his friend had been hit, what the assailant was going to do and probably wasn't even sure of what the assailant had on his person.
That brief window of time is a few seconds in which you can only possibly act on instinct but I bet you've been thinking this over and watching that scene for several minutes on end.
You could argue it was technically a mistake but it was an unavoidable one and it was the perp that put himself wilfully in that position. No one forced him to become combative. He choose it and anyone who chooses that has to know that they might die as a result, by taking those actions they've signed their own waiver and consented to being on the receiving end of lethal force if that's deemed necessary.
We need to be getting tough on criminals and hard on crime, not soft. It's being soft that's led to this situation with the exception of when cops are authorised to go hard on crime it's some democrat political bullshit like arresting people for fucking making jokes in youtube videos.
It's time for zero tolerance of criminals, violent thugs or those who side with them. The man was a violent thug. Why not hold him to some standards and scrutinise what it is that he did?
He goes into a violent maniac rage and you're giving us flak over the police officer's temperament? Give me a break mate.
In situations like that where officers have to make the call and risk getting it wrong is part of the job description. They're probably already beating themselves up over it every time they have to pull the trigger and don't need your help.
And at the end, After giving his report to the higher ups, the cop who shot him asks his boss if there’s been any update on the condition of Brooks. Found that interesting.
I noticed that too. The supervisor asked if the officer had contacted his wife/family and if he needed anything. What was the officer's primary concern at that point, the man shot. And he didn't refer to him as thug, criminal, or that fucking dude that just shot me with a taser. No, he still treated the man with basic human decently by referring to him as Mr. Brooks.
We’ll see how this plays out - if anything it should start a conversation around the need to balanced police - the danger police are in and looking at things from their perspective.
Most of the body cam footage of cops I have seen shows them as being super respectful and professional in difficult situations that are often on the edge of going terribly wrong - just like this one. It's amazing what they do on a daily basis. That being said, how much danger was this cop in when the guy was going in the opposite direction and shooting with a taser from a good distance away? It seems likely to me the cop reacted as if it was a gun, which justified deadly force. I think it's likely they have a policy about how to consider and treat the threat of a suspect getting control of an officer's taser - this officer was probably within that policy, but armchair quarter-backing will find him in violation because of the distance.
I am rarely comfortable with cops shooting at someone who is running away from them. But I have never been the one that people shot at, then ran away from, then ran back and shot at again, so I can get past my discomfort.
Spez:
Officer Tatum breaks down the legality, police department policy is probably in this officer's favor. And I would like to add that I will always give the benefit of the doubt to those who literally risk their lives to protect our society/civilization/culture/country.
https://thedonald.win/p/FzBEPCR2/cops-in-atlanta-were-justified/c/
When the assailant took the cops gun do you think he knew it was just a taser? In the heat of the moment and while high/drunk he could easily have thought it was a normal gun he took from the cops, you don't have time to look down in a scuffle just grab the gun and pop some rounds off.
Some people have heart conditions, so the verbal warning is probably in police policy to allow the 'target' to identify they have a condition. If they continue to struggle, they essentially consent to being tazed.
Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. My sympathies go out to all of our brave friends in blue. It's a nearly impossible task to preserve law and order when it changes to suit the will of the mob. We should be standing with the police who stand with us against the forces of chaos.
This shooting is completely justified. The gentleman was intoxicated putting himself and others in danger by choosing to drive. He was caught and should have just paided a very small price of losing his license and a fine compared to losing his life. People will argue he only had a taser, but I'm sure he would haved grabbed the cops gun also but just happened to grab the taser. When you resist and steal the cops taser things are going to possibly spiral out of control. Just simply give up and pay the price for making a mistake. There are some cops shootings that can't be justified but the vast majority have one thing in common the suspect is almost always resisting.
Oh my... Concern trolling in this thread is crazy.
A drunk guy resists arrest, stalls taser, attempts to tase police officer, and gets himself shot. It's obvious what happened here. Wendy's is obviously at fault which is why it had to be burned to the ground.
My sympathy towards the criminal community is at an all time low.
This was a stupid criminal that put a cop into a situation where he feared for his own life. The fact that he was black is irrelevant - a white person would have been shot too.
These guys were super professional and courteous. A shame this guy couldn’t take responsibility for blowing .1 +. Falling asleep in the drive thru means you are in no condition to drive.
We have a whole class of people in this country that seem to not understand what a Law Enforcement Officer is. The key word being Enforcement. They have been give an Official position, hence the word Officer, to use Force, AKA violence to ensure the law is followed.
Just stop fucking fighting with them. I don't understand what is so hard. If they fucked up and violated your rights, get your day in court, sue the shit out of the department and head to the bank. These people have been given carte blanche to beat your ass and shoot you if they feel its justified. Whether you agree with it or not, the right thing to do when confronted with police is to obey their commands. Very fucking simple.
So when do we get to see the Body Cam footage of the George Floyd incident? Instead of a third party capturing a moment out of context? Do we know that Floyd didn't resist arrest and was "murdered" by the officers? We know he suffered a heart attack while in cuffs and being restrained, but that's it. We don't know what led UP to him being pinned to the ground for 8 minutes.
Genuine question here and probably going to be unpopular but I am curious. My understanding is that in some states a homeowner can use deadly force to defend themselves but in some states ( did not research this) if the threat is retreating deadly force is no longer legally justified. This means that if a homeowner shoots someone that is running away and they kill him then they themselves can be charged. Please correct my understanding of this if its incorrect. But if that is largely true, why would that not apply equally to law enforcement? Once he got loose and took off why the need for gunfire? They have him ID'ed. They have his car. He was just a dumbass that was DUI at that point. If they had let him run off could he have been picked up later with additional charges and perhaps without the need of deadly force? I back the blue and have relatives in the force but scenes like this make me uneasy.
The officer in pursuit has his taser out and drops it in favor of his gun only once the suspect turns and fires the taser at the officer. The officer wanted to use less than lethal, but the situation changed, necessitating an escalation of force.
It looks like the other officer fired his tazer already. This is one of the huge problems with tazers where you get ONE shot. If you fire and it's not effective, then it's only usage requires direct contact.
Even in those states, if the guy running still makes you feel threatened you can be justified. You won’t get away without an investigation as you might if they weren’t running, but if they had a gun pointed at you while running... yeah you’ll come out justified after investigation.
They could just be fleeing to better ground. If you feel threatened is a separate justification than them being on your property. They make this very clear in CCDW
You will lose benefit of the doubt, but you may still have a case if you have a reason to still be threatened.
You cannot shoot someone who is no longer a threat. If a person is running away and still has a weapon you are generally justified in shooting him in the back. This is because when a person has a weapon and they are running they could just be running for cover and not simply escaping. That’s why if you shoot a guy that’s running away from you but deeper into the house, you can shoot, while if they exit your door and you shoot then outside the house it’s very different things even if they are both shot in the back while running away from your position. In this case the man had just fired a weapon at an officer while running, meaning That he wasn’t escaping, he was still escalating the use of force.
Why are we downvoting a fellow pede for asking a reasonable question? C'mon fellas.
I thought the same thing, "never shoot someone running away", but this guy turned around, faced the officer closest to him, pointed the tazer at him AND fired it at him before getting shot by the other officer. So the whole running away thing in this case isn't really applicable.
As far as letting him go and picking him up later, that's a really slippery slope.
Let's say they let him get away. Now he's all amped up, intoxicated, has no car... What if he steals a car trying to get home (thinking why not, if they catch me after all that shit I just did, what's a stolen car charge matter at this point?) I mean let's face it, he was willing to shoot at police to get away, so stealing a car to get away is nothing... and then he drives and drunkenly kills a family.
Then what? How could the officers live with themselves, knowing that they could have done something to stop it? Would they be liable in court for "not doing their job" leading to the deaths?
Or, what if he was a serious felon wanted on all kinds of charges, and that's why he wanted to get away so badly? Could be in another state and the cops can't see it right away in their limited car systems? I dunno.
Just saying, letting people get away after they steal your tazer and shoot you with it is a bad look for the police and public safety.
This is definitely trickier than people are making it out to be. Are tazers considered deadly weapons? Seems weird to feel in fear of your life because someone shot a non lethal weapon at you while fleeing. Not sure about this one.am Maybe they didn't want to pursue because close proximity had already turned out bad for them once? What if he got their gun in the middle of the next struggle? Hard to say.
Did you not see that he had two officers trying to detain him? And yet he was still able to take one of the officers weapons? So, if he had the chance to tase the one officer, that would leave two officers vulnerable and he could have easily gotten one of their guns. This puts both officers in danger of their lives, as well as all of the innocent bystanders. The cops were absolutely justified in this case. Don’t tell me a taser is not lethal, especially when watching how easily he overtook TWO officers.
I'm going to make this one simple for you. You don't get to shoot anything at the police. Period. A taser is a potentially lethal weapon. If the officer was struck and disabled, now his 100 percent lethal side arm is uncontrolled and accessible by a fleeing felon. We have fleeing felon laws for a reason.
Young Cop Old Cop syndrome.. The officers spent way to much time with this man. The Young cop should have never let him move his car. When backup came they should have placed him in custody.
Don’t pull the trigger unless there is imminent threat of death. A tazer isn’t going to kill you. And there’s two of you (armed) vs dude running away (with a non-lethal weapon).
Police, fucking stop shooting people! God damnit, what’s wrong with you?!? So the guy gets away? So what! He wasn’t gonna harm anyone.
Police have got a hard job. I have tremendous respect for them. But stop shooting people
EDIT: He fired 3 shots. It absurd to argue he didn’t have time to recognize the weapon as a tazer before finishing off the all 3 trigger pulls. Fact is cops are trained to kill if ever threatened. That is bullshit and needs to change/stop being protected by the courts/their buddy cops.
EDIT #2: LifeProTip on how to survive a police pulling a gun on you: repeatedly tell them “I’m a cop. I’m a cop!”. No way in hell they’ll pull the trigger then
Life pro tip on how to not get shot by a police officer: don’t resist arrest, and don’t take a cops weapon. Matter of fact: how about don’t go drinking and driving and get involved with the police in the first place.
I'm all for supporting cops but in the video you linked the cop shouting orders was clearly power-tripping. A normal citizen is not going to understand all the nuances being barked at him like that. I think that shooting was unjustified.
Say what? If this dude had not have been drinking and passed out in the car at a Drive-Thru the cops will never have been called. If this dude had not resisted and assaulted the cops there would not have been a shooting. It's against the law to drink and drive. It's against the law to assault a police officer. It's against the law to resist arrest. Yet this person broke the law. So if someone aims at you you're not going to defend yourself?
True, but a drunk man stole a police tazer and was running away. He could’ve used that tazer to carjack someone and then drive away drunk possibly injuring more people. Its a tough call in the situation but yeah, it would be better if he wasnt shot.
That's not how it works when you pass out in public with your keys in the ignition. Maybe in Mayberry they do that. But not in large cities like that where you're fucked up and driving a 2000lb death machine while blackout drunk.
Dwi. If you want to coulda shoulda woulda the situation, the guy should not have been hammered in his car, he should not have been fighting with the cops, he should have listened to their orders, he should have not resisted, he should not have grabbed the taser and pointed it and he should not have pulled the trigger. But fuck it right, the cops are wrong cause they should have let him go home.
One more thing, he was not a threat till the cops were arresting him. He escalated the situation.
No, he was driving drunk, endangering everyone else. We have laws and we must abide by them or face the consequences (in his case, a dwi and a little jail time).
And this is why BLM hates the body cams they fought so hard for back in 2015. The concept backfired, but the left can never admit its mistakes, so time to cancel the police.
And this is exactly why Ellison is not releasing the body can footage of Floyd's arrest.
And now we will get to see bodycam footage of BLM and Antifa members getting arrested.
But I'm not sure that's true. The average BLM supporter doesn't hold the temperament to view video footage from a dispassionate prospective. You and I may see videos that show police acting legally, but all they see are uppity white pigs killing members of the magical, beautiful black race. Thats why these videos always make for excellent anti-police, anti-white propaganda.
MLK: I dream one day, a person will be judged not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character.
BLM: Force cops roll wear cameras so they think 2x before killing innocent, harmless black men.
Both have backfired.
For people so terrified of cops they sure do like to argue and fight back. ... when I get pulled over it’s yes sir / nor sir .
Good point. Racist. /s
Go watch those "Last Chance High" videos of black schools. The kids are allowed to do whatever they want. The poor teacher can't put hands on the kids, so they just sit there trying to teach the two or three kids who actually give a damn...
Meanwhile the other fifteen kids in the class are a bunch of shrieking howler monkeys constantly fighting, shouting, and threatening each other. Every now and then security drags one of them out but they'll be back the next day.
They're raised without parents who give a damn, so it's almost like an experiment in what humans would behave like if they were just turned out loose into the world with no rules.
These fucking cavemen grow up believing that only two things matter:
How much tougher and stronger you are than anyone else, because 'might makes right',
That the world exists solely to benefit them, and they can do whatever they want.
This asshole was probably one of them. The second someone tried to make him do something he didn't want to do (put cuffs on him), he turned into a neanderthal. All he was going to do was go to jail for the weekend, get a court date, pay a $1,000 fine and time served and lose his license for a month.
Instead he's fucking dead, because his primate brain could only comprehend two things:
I don't want to do this, so therefore I will make it not happen.
I will make it not happen by being tougher and stronger and hurting anyone until I get my way.
They never grew up experiencing consequences for their actions. They grow up with the intellectual development of a five year old throwing a violent tantrum until they get what they want.
The real victims of this are always the small handful of black children and students who actually are raised right and grow up having every opportunity crushed by the 'bucket of crabs' that is everyone else in their community.
🎶🎵 been spending most our lives, living in a gangsta's paradise 🎶🎵
Eh nobody deserves to die imo
"You got a pencil? Take a pencil"
Just had this conversation with my wife in the kitchen after showing her the video. "why is he resisting? Dont fight back. The cop was very polite to him the whole time" "youre in trouble, face your mistakes"
Absolutely insane standard to have the police held too. Particular in cities where they deal with gang bangers who mean them harm.
Atlanta Mayor needs to stop throwing cops under the bus!!!
You can’t fire a police officer for defending his own life against an armed individual, but she did, and her decision will be ruled as wrong in a court of law
Bottoms showed how terrible she was yesterday. A complete asshat incompetent that doesn’t live in the real world. The officer claimed he was hit with the taser as well in this video. That can’t be allowed to happen.
Mayor needs to stop being a mayor...
3:19
the peaceful protest turns violent.
he successfully breaks free of the cuff attempt
hey wrestles the tazer from the officer; throwing punches
he threatens the officers with the tazer while fleeing [in front of witnesses]
I MEAN... im surprised officers held out as long as they did.
XiNN Headline: Black patron out for dinner MURDERED by police.
Edit: Peacefully sleeping African- American shot and killed by racist White police officer.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen the Huffpo article yet, but they said pretty much exactly that. Ridiculous!
https://thedonald.win/p/FzBFX2et/huffpost-literally-lying-about-w/c/
They edited their headline but left in the
“Whitenesses day the victim wasn’t unarmed” knowing damn well that is false. But yea witnesses said it so it’s not lying. But it’s unethical as fuck to put that there without clarifying that it was false.
my sides!
At first I thought "well, but he was running away, you don't shoot people in the back..."
But I looked again, and at the end the suspect turned around and fired the taser at the officer closest to him.
Fully justified.
you only run when you know you are gulity of something else and will get put away
for much much longer.
and it turns out this guy is a child abuser convict.
clown world
Wait. What if he fired the taser and missed before any shots were fired? Still a justified shooting?
The officer states in the full video that he felt the taser hit him but it didn't catch or whatever so he didn't get shocked. That's my understanding from what he said.
When asked, he answers and looks to the place where he felt it hit him, checking for marks, which is the natural thing anyone would do in that situation I think. Like "Oh yeah, I should check that", after forgetting to check because of all the commotion and adrenaline and such.
I suppose the arguments will be that perhaps that taser model can only be fired once, and therefore the weapon would have been inert after the first shot.
Counter defense is probably that things happen in real time suuuper fast, and he made the decision to shoot quickly after seeing him turn and fire.
Did he HAVE to shoot him? Maybe not. But I personally don't fault him for the split second decision.
I'm just wondering about the legality of all this. At first it seemed open and shut case of justified shooting. As I look more closely it doesn't seem so clear.
He KNEW he had been hit by the tazer, meaning the tazer had been fired, and that the perp wasn't holding a gun. Are there models of tazer that can fire more than once? I thought the thing was a useless mess after firing, with leads hanging all over the place until you put it back together.
If he made the decision to shoot the perp AFTER being hit by the tazer, that looks pretty questionable. Shooting an unarmed man. And I think this was the cop that had the tazer pulled out of his hand, pretty quickly and easily? The case could be made he had been humiliated, and this was now an ego trip.
If it's legal to kill a fleeing suspect that has proven he's dangerous, like to protect the community? That would be justification.
There were 2 officers. The one closest to the guy running away is the one that got hit with the tazer, and the other officer farther away is the one who shot his gun 3 times quickly, as far as I understand from the video.
I think you're thinking that it was one cop and he shot the guy after getting shot at with the tazer, and I don't think that's the case here.
No there were definitely two cops. If there was only one it's harder to fault the cop for shooting. I'm not sure if the cop who shot is the one who had his tazer taken from him?
That might become a significant issue. I would think the cop who had his tazer taken knew the perp had his tazer. The other cop probably knew too, but maybe not?
Legally, shooter cop might not be charged because he fired so soon after the tazer was fired. I think he shouldn't have pulled the trigger and it may be that everyone agrees, but reaction time is only so fast and adrenaline does funny things. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes to make a decision on this.
Mayor is ridiculous making a snap decision. Police chief quit. Glad I'm not in a city, wishing I was farther away from any city!
You can shoot a criminal for pointing a revolver at you after firing 6 shots. No idea why this would be different. Bigger question is can the police department bill his estate for the spent tazer?
Thank you for this! The audio of people getting upset at the cops is disturbing. The one guy saying "This dude was not being aggressive" like Oh really, did you miss the part where he struggled and stole the tazer and ran, and then attempted to shoot a cop with a tazer?
A tazed cop is a cop who's gonna lose his gun, and probably his life. Threatening to taze a cop is no joke
That tazer could have been a gun. 2.5 seconds pass from when he turns around, points and shoots the taser, then gets shot himself.
2.5 seconds.
They don't have the luxury of analyzing the footage like we do. If they hesitate, they die. As far as that cop knows, hes pulling a gun on him.
JUST LISTEN TO THE COPS AND DONT FUCKING RESIST. Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.
Yes, he had time to think of all of that in 2.5 seconds.
Its life or death man.
People are so naive and ignorant to not factor in heat of the moment.
Training each and every street cop to the standards of a marine, where will the money come from? Sure as hell not the public, no, they want to defund the police. So how will these cops be trained in martial arts, combat and tactical analysis without money? Are they going to do it for free? Are you asking them to spend more time out of what is already a 12 hour shift to train and study for free?
Fuck him...Shoot him... Bury him....Do what law enforcement tells you...
Actually a 2 shot weapon. 2 people can be tased and incapacitated at the same time if he hits both.
In a 1v1 situation if the guy gets the officer's Taser it's for sure a lethal force situation since if you get Tased you are completely incapacitated and are at risk of having your face stomped without being able to fight back or having your gun or other weapons taken.
It's a 2v1 situation though so it does change the dynamics.
Everyone stop replying to this retard. The user name is a poor attempt to hide the name "Bash the Fash" aka this guy is an AntiFa troll. We see you loser.
Mods pls deport this idiot.
I noticed that but in the chaos and confusion, in the moment, I'd still side with the cops.
They're human beings and the guy they were arresting didn't have to spaz out like that.
The cops at the time don't have the luxury of frame by frame playback before deciding to pull the trigger. It's something to learn from but you're holding cops to an impossible standard. If you're going to do that then you might as well abolish them since it's impossible.
You think you have special powers of telepathy that you know exactly what someone knew or didn't now in a given situation and what they were thinking or weren't thinking.
In situations of self defence the aggressors life is in forfeit. If in any doubt you don't take the risk. If you need to stop them you use maximum force and you don't take the risk that lower force will be insufficient.
I'm tired of people reading into self defence and siding with thugs and attackers.
In this case his only mistake was shooting a few seconds too late. At that point he had no idea for sure if his friend had been hit, what the assailant was going to do and probably wasn't even sure of what the assailant had on his person.
That brief window of time is a few seconds in which you can only possibly act on instinct but I bet you've been thinking this over and watching that scene for several minutes on end.
You could argue it was technically a mistake but it was an unavoidable one and it was the perp that put himself wilfully in that position. No one forced him to become combative. He choose it and anyone who chooses that has to know that they might die as a result, by taking those actions they've signed their own waiver and consented to being on the receiving end of lethal force if that's deemed necessary.
We need to be getting tough on criminals and hard on crime, not soft. It's being soft that's led to this situation with the exception of when cops are authorised to go hard on crime it's some democrat political bullshit like arresting people for fucking making jokes in youtube videos.
It's time for zero tolerance of criminals, violent thugs or those who side with them. The man was a violent thug. Why not hold him to some standards and scrutinise what it is that he did?
He goes into a violent maniac rage and you're giving us flak over the police officer's temperament? Give me a break mate.
In situations like that where officers have to make the call and risk getting it wrong is part of the job description. They're probably already beating themselves up over it every time they have to pull the trigger and don't need your help.
I would have put 2 in him a lot sooner....
Interesting how fast the footage was released. Also, this Wendy's appears to have more surveillance than Las Vegas
The video there was very high quality.
It's because Keith Ellison isn't AG of Atlanta.
And at the end, After giving his report to the higher ups, the cop who shot him asks his boss if there’s been any update on the condition of Brooks. Found that interesting.
I noticed that too. The supervisor asked if the officer had contacted his wife/family and if he needed anything. What was the officer's primary concern at that point, the man shot. And he didn't refer to him as thug, criminal, or that fucking dude that just shot me with a taser. No, he still treated the man with basic human decently by referring to him as Mr. Brooks.
This exactly was noticable to me as well. Shows professionalism and humanity through and through
It could be out of compassion, good chance I think, but it also could be out of fear for his life and his family's lives if Brooks doesn't make it.
Officers rarely are not upset they had to seriously shoot someone- the fear of living with the person's death at your hands is real....
We’ll see how this plays out - if anything it should start a conversation around the need to balanced police - the danger police are in and looking at things from their perspective.
Most of the body cam footage of cops I have seen shows them as being super respectful and professional in difficult situations that are often on the edge of going terribly wrong - just like this one. It's amazing what they do on a daily basis. That being said, how much danger was this cop in when the guy was going in the opposite direction and shooting with a taser from a good distance away? It seems likely to me the cop reacted as if it was a gun, which justified deadly force. I think it's likely they have a policy about how to consider and treat the threat of a suspect getting control of an officer's taser - this officer was probably within that policy, but armchair quarter-backing will find him in violation because of the distance.
I am rarely comfortable with cops shooting at someone who is running away from them. But I have never been the one that people shot at, then ran away from, then ran back and shot at again, so I can get past my discomfort.
Spez: Officer Tatum breaks down the legality, police department policy is probably in this officer's favor. And I would like to add that I will always give the benefit of the doubt to those who literally risk their lives to protect our society/civilization/culture/country. https://thedonald.win/p/FzBEPCR2/cops-in-atlanta-were-justified/c/
How about people don't steal police officers weapons? Attack the police, get shot.
When the assailant took the cops gun do you think he knew it was just a taser? In the heat of the moment and while high/drunk he could easily have thought it was a normal gun he took from the cops, you don't have time to look down in a scuffle just grab the gun and pop some rounds off.
Get out of here Antifa bootlicker. Mods ban this troll
No man, let him have his opinion. If we silence him we are no better than the leftists that we criticize.
Fair enough he has the right to be a giant dumbass :)
Some people have heart conditions, so the verbal warning is probably in police policy to allow the 'target' to identify they have a condition. If they continue to struggle, they essentially consent to being tazed.
Why haven't we seen the bodycam footage of the arrest of Saint George Floyd?
It does not exist anymore...
Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. My sympathies go out to all of our brave friends in blue. It's a nearly impossible task to preserve law and order when it changes to suit the will of the mob. We should be standing with the police who stand with us against the forces of chaos.
Lmao is this the new George Floyd now???
I dont think this one matters especially now because of this footage.
Previously wrongthink
Good shoot. Fuck the left
Did this police officer really get fired already?! Wtf?!
"we want bodycams so the police are held accountable!"
Everyone: we agree
Liberal left: "the bodycams are making us look bad by showing what really happened, REEEE"
We told you this would happen
This shooting is completely justified. The gentleman was intoxicated putting himself and others in danger by choosing to drive. He was caught and should have just paided a very small price of losing his license and a fine compared to losing his life. People will argue he only had a taser, but I'm sure he would haved grabbed the cops gun also but just happened to grab the taser. When you resist and steal the cops taser things are going to possibly spiral out of control. Just simply give up and pay the price for making a mistake. There are some cops shootings that can't be justified but the vast majority have one thing in common the suspect is almost always resisting.
He wouldn't have lost just his license. He was released from prison on parole for China virus. He would have went straight back to prison.
George Floyd body cam would clear up things
Oh my... Concern trolling in this thread is crazy.
A drunk guy resists arrest, stalls taser, attempts to tase police officer, and gets himself shot. It's obvious what happened here. Wendy's is obviously at fault which is why it had to be burned to the ground.
My sympathy towards the criminal community is at an all time low.
All he needed to do was cooperate.
This was not racism.
This was a stupid criminal that put a cop into a situation where he feared for his own life. The fact that he was black is irrelevant - a white person would have been shot too.
looks at those blood thirsty cops clearly out to murder a black man that night and asking if they got the kill at the very end /s
It's a damn shame. That guy would be alive today if he'd just cooperated.
you all saw it the cops walked up the car with that man sleeping in and began shooting into the window
He’s clearly a fucking criminal.
These guys were super professional and courteous. A shame this guy couldn’t take responsibility for blowing .1 +. Falling asleep in the drive thru means you are in no condition to drive.
We have a whole class of people in this country that seem to not understand what a Law Enforcement Officer is. The key word being Enforcement. They have been give an Official position, hence the word Officer, to use Force, AKA violence to ensure the law is followed.
Just stop fucking fighting with them. I don't understand what is so hard. If they fucked up and violated your rights, get your day in court, sue the shit out of the department and head to the bank. These people have been given carte blanche to beat your ass and shoot you if they feel its justified. Whether you agree with it or not, the right thing to do when confronted with police is to obey their commands. Very fucking simple.
So when do we get to see the Body Cam footage of the George Floyd incident? Instead of a third party capturing a moment out of context? Do we know that Floyd didn't resist arrest and was "murdered" by the officers? We know he suffered a heart attack while in cuffs and being restrained, but that's it. We don't know what led UP to him being pinned to the ground for 8 minutes.
Genuine question here and probably going to be unpopular but I am curious. My understanding is that in some states a homeowner can use deadly force to defend themselves but in some states ( did not research this) if the threat is retreating deadly force is no longer legally justified. This means that if a homeowner shoots someone that is running away and they kill him then they themselves can be charged. Please correct my understanding of this if its incorrect. But if that is largely true, why would that not apply equally to law enforcement? Once he got loose and took off why the need for gunfire? They have him ID'ed. They have his car. He was just a dumbass that was DUI at that point. If they had let him run off could he have been picked up later with additional charges and perhaps without the need of deadly force? I back the blue and have relatives in the force but scenes like this make me uneasy.
Previously wrongthink
The officer in pursuit has his taser out and drops it in favor of his gun only once the suspect turns and fires the taser at the officer. The officer wanted to use less than lethal, but the situation changed, necessitating an escalation of force.
It looks like the other officer fired his tazer already. This is one of the huge problems with tazers where you get ONE shot. If you fire and it's not effective, then it's only usage requires direct contact.
Also it's a long distance for a tazer I think.
Even in those states, if the guy running still makes you feel threatened you can be justified. You won’t get away without an investigation as you might if they weren’t running, but if they had a gun pointed at you while running... yeah you’ll come out justified after investigation.
Sounds like a bullshit law to me.
They could just be fleeing to better ground. If you feel threatened is a separate justification than them being on your property. They make this very clear in CCDW
You will lose benefit of the doubt, but you may still have a case if you have a reason to still be threatened.
You cannot shoot someone who is no longer a threat. If a person is running away and still has a weapon you are generally justified in shooting him in the back. This is because when a person has a weapon and they are running they could just be running for cover and not simply escaping. That’s why if you shoot a guy that’s running away from you but deeper into the house, you can shoot, while if they exit your door and you shoot then outside the house it’s very different things even if they are both shot in the back while running away from your position. In this case the man had just fired a weapon at an officer while running, meaning That he wasn’t escaping, he was still escalating the use of force.
Why are we downvoting a fellow pede for asking a reasonable question? C'mon fellas.
I thought the same thing, "never shoot someone running away", but this guy turned around, faced the officer closest to him, pointed the tazer at him AND fired it at him before getting shot by the other officer. So the whole running away thing in this case isn't really applicable.
As far as letting him go and picking him up later, that's a really slippery slope.
Let's say they let him get away. Now he's all amped up, intoxicated, has no car... What if he steals a car trying to get home (thinking why not, if they catch me after all that shit I just did, what's a stolen car charge matter at this point?) I mean let's face it, he was willing to shoot at police to get away, so stealing a car to get away is nothing... and then he drives and drunkenly kills a family.
Then what? How could the officers live with themselves, knowing that they could have done something to stop it? Would they be liable in court for "not doing their job" leading to the deaths?
Or, what if he was a serious felon wanted on all kinds of charges, and that's why he wanted to get away so badly? Could be in another state and the cops can't see it right away in their limited car systems? I dunno.
Just saying, letting people get away after they steal your tazer and shoot you with it is a bad look for the police and public safety.
This is definitely trickier than people are making it out to be. Are tazers considered deadly weapons? Seems weird to feel in fear of your life because someone shot a non lethal weapon at you while fleeing. Not sure about this one.am Maybe they didn't want to pursue because close proximity had already turned out bad for them once? What if he got their gun in the middle of the next struggle? Hard to say.
If he gets tazed, he goes down, his gun is available for the taking!
People have died after being tased. Other people can shrug it off and keep coming. It seems inconsistent.
Did you not see that he had two officers trying to detain him? And yet he was still able to take one of the officers weapons? So, if he had the chance to tase the one officer, that would leave two officers vulnerable and he could have easily gotten one of their guns. This puts both officers in danger of their lives, as well as all of the innocent bystanders. The cops were absolutely justified in this case. Don’t tell me a taser is not lethal, especially when watching how easily he overtook TWO officers.
I'm going to make this one simple for you. You don't get to shoot anything at the police. Period. A taser is a potentially lethal weapon. If the officer was struck and disabled, now his 100 percent lethal side arm is uncontrolled and accessible by a fleeing felon. We have fleeing felon laws for a reason.
He was just sleep walking! --HuffPo, probably
Tragic.
These Officers were documenting an OUI and did not know this man would rather die than get arrested and go back to Prison.
Watch the entire video....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881N_PEE1EE&feature=youtu.be before it disappears
Young Cop Old Cop syndrome.. The officers spent way to much time with this man. The Young cop should have never let him move his car. When backup came they should have placed him in custody.
Watching was tense - Police risk themselves every day!
Why would the police chief resign immediately when anything happens?
At 55s when the cop says "Do I want to deal the with this dude right now?" you can just hear the demoralizing effect of weak elected officials.
The officer knows that he will not be supported if anything goes wrong.
Get absolutely fucked.
Even there, two cops overpowered by the sheer size of that guy, only a firearm makes someone equal.
Cum OHN, mayne!
Don’t pull the trigger unless there is imminent threat of death. A tazer isn’t going to kill you. And there’s two of you (armed) vs dude running away (with a non-lethal weapon).
Police, fucking stop shooting people! God damnit, what’s wrong with you?!? So the guy gets away? So what! He wasn’t gonna harm anyone.
Police have got a hard job. I have tremendous respect for them. But stop shooting people
EDIT: He fired 3 shots. It absurd to argue he didn’t have time to recognize the weapon as a tazer before finishing off the all 3 trigger pulls. Fact is cops are trained to kill if ever threatened. That is bullshit and needs to change/stop being protected by the courts/their buddy cops.
EDIT #2: LifeProTip on how to survive a police pulling a gun on you: repeatedly tell them “I’m a cop. I’m a cop!”. No way in hell they’ll pull the trigger then
Life pro tip on how to not get shot by a police officer: don’t resist arrest, and don’t take a cops weapon. Matter of fact: how about don’t go drinking and driving and get involved with the police in the first place.
Lol, tell that to this guy
https://youtu.be/7Ooa7wOKHhg
NSFL: Full video[https://youtu.be/OflGwyWcft8]
Yeah, that was totally fucked up. Not sure about the crawling on the ground. Should have had him roll over and put his hands behind his back.
Probably should put a NSFL tag on that. Can’t unremember the horror that guy went through
I'm all for supporting cops but in the video you linked the cop shouting orders was clearly power-tripping. A normal citizen is not going to understand all the nuances being barked at him like that. I think that shooting was unjustified.
Say what? If this dude had not have been drinking and passed out in the car at a Drive-Thru the cops will never have been called. If this dude had not resisted and assaulted the cops there would not have been a shooting. It's against the law to drink and drive. It's against the law to assault a police officer. It's against the law to resist arrest. Yet this person broke the law. So if someone aims at you you're not going to defend yourself?
True, but a drunk man stole a police tazer and was running away. He could’ve used that tazer to carjack someone and then drive away drunk possibly injuring more people. Its a tough call in the situation but yeah, it would be better if he wasnt shot.
The guy is drunk and dumb enough to attack cops, what makes you think he's not a harm to others?
That's not how dui works for anyone else my friend.
That's not how it works when you pass out in public with your keys in the ignition. Maybe in Mayberry they do that. But not in large cities like that where you're fucked up and driving a 2000lb death machine while blackout drunk.
So should failed bank robbery attempts be let go because they didn't actually steal any money?
Dude was passed the fuck out behind the wheel, and blew a 108 almost an hour after he fell asleep. He was operating a two ton death machine.
Take your DUI like a man and fight in court like a member of a civilized society requures, not in the streets like a barbarian.
Dwi. If you want to coulda shoulda woulda the situation, the guy should not have been hammered in his car, he should not have been fighting with the cops, he should have listened to their orders, he should have not resisted, he should not have grabbed the taser and pointed it and he should not have pulled the trigger. But fuck it right, the cops are wrong cause they should have let him go home.
One more thing, he was not a threat till the cops were arresting him. He escalated the situation.
He was a threat as soon as he got behind the wheel of his car. He could have killed someone and this would be a completely different story.
No, he was driving drunk, endangering everyone else. We have laws and we must abide by them or face the consequences (in his case, a dwi and a little jail time).
"Muh social contract"