Just give him a list of everything that Republican presidents promised to do that didn't. Then give him the list of all those that Trump promised and did. Then tell him wasn't these the reasons you always voted republican. Get over it dad.
Yeah I’ll do my best. He’s pretty brainwashed. He especially didn’t like the comment trump made about John McCain being captured which most agree he just used a poor choice of words but knew what message he was getting across.
John McCain's doomed flight is literally taught to pilots in pilot training about what NOT to do. McCain ratted out his fellow american prisoners of war to get released and his daddy came to the rescue to facilitate that. He was not a talented aviator, he was an idiot.
I really don't know, my dad served with a man who later became a POW alongside with McCain. He died a POW. This is just the story my dad always told of McCain and my dad is an honorable guy who wouldn't lie about something like that. He has 12 DFC's and managed to be shot at more than McCain and not get captured.
Thank you. I will send him this and watch it myself. Thanks for actually giving me something to work with. He is still pretty stubborn about the lying but fucking Biden has lied countless times!
That’s not a compelling argument though. I agree with you wholeheartedly but there needs to be specifics we can use to show the left they are full of shit. When people focus on all the bad things Trump has done in his past and the lying they show on YouTube that takes away their inability to want to vote for the guy. We need to focus on what it is that compels these people to the left because it’s not the whole picture they are seeing. Whether it matters or not to us that is a voter we have lost.
I don’t think we can convince others, even with facts and logic on our side...
“Time makes more converts than reason.”
I think you can drop facts here and there, but ultimately you have to act out what you believe to be right, and that will make those who disagree more likely to listen to what you have to say.
They make 2 claims and only provide a source for half.
Anyway, if he's still considering the Russian narrative you have a lot more work on your plate than dismissing this alleged lie. If they asked you the question, they're basically saying they buy into the whole Russian puppet narrative & trying to bread crumb you into the conspiracy delusion
Well I think my dad now knows Russia was bullshit but he was wondering why he would lie about Putin. And I think a lot of nevertrumpers question it too. I’ve been put forth this question multiple times and I can’t defend things he says sometimes. I still 100% support the guy but when a democrat voter comes to me and tells me he is on video saying two different things I can’t dispute it. Maybe it’s edited idk but I’m looking to defend that stance.
I hear you. You'd have to hear what he actually said to make a rebuttal. Like I pointed out, they didn't source the alleged later denial. That's a strong indication they're manipulating something.
Possibly could be some exaggeration in the front end. Back end might've been talking about in official capacity as a politician (couldn't hurt to watch a longer clip).
You have to ask yourself, though, when it comes to focusing on minutia: what's your point? Allow them to treat it as a fact. If Trump lied about talking with someone, for almost any reason, your alternative option is a group of people endorsing, financing, and participating in razing our cities, banning gun ownership, banning castle doctrine, and banning police.
America was in the cold war because USSR was communist. The left is demonizing Russia for abandoning communism. It's really that simple
say, "you're right dad, I'm going to vote for the senile guy that finger blasted a staffer, touches and sniffs kids and sold his public office to the highest bidder so his son could blow coke off stripper tits."
I would personally work on a meta narrative, you're never going to convince brainwashed libs that Trump isint racist, and even if you could, that wouldn't win them over because of the myriad of other baseless accusations.
Trump is not a Russian agent. I would start there. The intelligence community conspired to frame him and the information is available.
Once you begin to see that the establishment is trying to skirt democracy by removing and or "poisoning" the Trump brand, and that he just happens to be the guy at the end of their wrath and that it's not actually about his character, then you can begin to analyze the landscape.
My dad barely knows how to use a computer. I think it’s a problem a lot of us face with our parents. They only know how to watch the left wing media like YouTube and Netflix recommendations.
Just give him a list of everything that Republican presidents promised to do that didn't. Then give him the list of all those that Trump promised and did. Then tell him wasn't these the reasons you always voted republican. Get over it dad.
This. And ask your dad if he needs a nice guy role model type of President or a bad ass mofo who gets things done. Appearances vs effectiveness.
Yeah I’ll do my best. He’s pretty brainwashed. He especially didn’t like the comment trump made about John McCain being captured which most agree he just used a poor choice of words but knew what message he was getting across.
John McCain's doomed flight is literally taught to pilots in pilot training about what NOT to do. McCain ratted out his fellow american prisoners of war to get released and his daddy came to the rescue to facilitate that. He was not a talented aviator, he was an idiot.
I was told he didn’t tell them who he was in the prison to save his fellow prisoners. Do you have sources I can show people?
I really don't know, my dad served with a man who later became a POW alongside with McCain. He died a POW. This is just the story my dad always told of McCain and my dad is an honorable guy who wouldn't lie about something like that. He has 12 DFC's and managed to be shot at more than McCain and not get captured.
I choose to believe you but we can’t win arguments with the left with anecdotal evidence. Otherwise we are no better than them.
You might just be SOL If your dad only cares about what the NYT says and dosnt care to follow policies.
That’s what I am thinking. My dad is a good guy he’s just kind of stupid.
I’d show his this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C2zUkLBXKPs
And ask why were people asking him to run? And the same people who wanted him to, now conveniently hate him?
He’s consistent in his message since day 1
Thank you. I will send him this and watch it myself. Thanks for actually giving me something to work with. He is still pretty stubborn about the lying but fucking Biden has lied countless times!
It’s all about perspective.
Biden was VP for 8 years, and has been in office for more than 30 years, and yet Trump is to blame for what’s wrong in the USA?
That’s not a compelling argument though. I agree with you wholeheartedly but there needs to be specifics we can use to show the left they are full of shit. When people focus on all the bad things Trump has done in his past and the lying they show on YouTube that takes away their inability to want to vote for the guy. We need to focus on what it is that compels these people to the left because it’s not the whole picture they are seeing. Whether it matters or not to us that is a voter we have lost.
I don’t think we can convince others, even with facts and logic on our side...
“Time makes more converts than reason.”
I think you can drop facts here and there, but ultimately you have to act out what you believe to be right, and that will make those who disagree more likely to listen to what you have to say.
You'd have to first source the claim, I've never heard that. He's probably misremembering the general Flynn ordeal
I bet my dad watched this: https://youtu.be/LyeRC08UkeY
Here’s the claim at the end of the Times video: https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5582741/donald-trump-never-met-doesnt-know/%3famp=true
They make 2 claims and only provide a source for half.
Anyway, if he's still considering the Russian narrative you have a lot more work on your plate than dismissing this alleged lie. If they asked you the question, they're basically saying they buy into the whole Russian puppet narrative & trying to bread crumb you into the conspiracy delusion
Well I think my dad now knows Russia was bullshit but he was wondering why he would lie about Putin. And I think a lot of nevertrumpers question it too. I’ve been put forth this question multiple times and I can’t defend things he says sometimes. I still 100% support the guy but when a democrat voter comes to me and tells me he is on video saying two different things I can’t dispute it. Maybe it’s edited idk but I’m looking to defend that stance.
I hear you. You'd have to hear what he actually said to make a rebuttal. Like I pointed out, they didn't source the alleged later denial. That's a strong indication they're manipulating something.
https://youtu.be/H9HY7Aw_jdU
Here’s him saying it. They talk about Russia investigation but skip to his interviews.
Possibly could be some exaggeration in the front end. Back end might've been talking about in official capacity as a politician (couldn't hurt to watch a longer clip).
You have to ask yourself, though, when it comes to focusing on minutia: what's your point? Allow them to treat it as a fact. If Trump lied about talking with someone, for almost any reason, your alternative option is a group of people endorsing, financing, and participating in razing our cities, banning gun ownership, banning castle doctrine, and banning police.
America was in the cold war because USSR was communist. The left is demonizing Russia for abandoning communism. It's really that simple
Yeah Biden lies too. What’s their point. https://youtu.be/lSUPfnYdXFU
Can you direct me to those articles please?
Good stuff. Thanks
https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/06/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/
Thank you
I thought this was good as well.
https://thedonald.win/p/FzBCAKXO/from-my-fatherinlaw/
say, "you're right dad, I'm going to vote for the senile guy that finger blasted a staffer, touches and sniffs kids and sold his public office to the highest bidder so his son could blow coke off stripper tits."
The results say all anyone should need..
Irregardless Biden is a liar: https://youtu.be/lSUPfnYdXFU
I would personally work on a meta narrative, you're never going to convince brainwashed libs that Trump isint racist, and even if you could, that wouldn't win them over because of the myriad of other baseless accusations.
Trump is not a Russian agent. I would start there. The intelligence community conspired to frame him and the information is available.
Once you begin to see that the establishment is trying to skirt democracy by removing and or "poisoning" the Trump brand, and that he just happens to be the guy at the end of their wrath and that it's not actually about his character, then you can begin to analyze the landscape.
Can someone else help me convince people about Trump spending the most on our countries national debt?
My dad barely knows how to use a computer. I think it’s a problem a lot of us face with our parents. They only know how to watch the left wing media like YouTube and Netflix recommendations.