It's really amazing courts have completely thrown out the belief that a business owner has any rights when it comes to hiring and firing. More proof we are much more socialist than free. It's only going to get worse I fear.
Actually yes. Because by your admission such a business would never survive. If management did that to any of my coworkers I would quit in solidarity and encourage people not to patronize that business.
That is not how this decision will be used and you know it. If you can't win on merit just force it via government. Great plan, dude. Businesses should be able to fire people for any reason. Period.
In point of fact, businesses operating in the jim crow era would likely also have chosen to not discriminate against a growing customer segment.
Laws are enacted to constrain the freely chosen behaviors of men. If Business owners were so racist that they didn't want black folk eating at their lunch counter or riding at the front of the bus then those restrictions would have been policies and not mandated by law.
The fact that those laws had to be enacted in the first place is arguably evidence that businesses generally do not want to discriminate, even at the high water mark of widespread racism.
I think a business owner has inherent rights the same as any employee and if he or she only wants to hire people that they want working for them, honestly, they should be able to. Would I only hire white people or only straight? Nope and have hired many minoriites and gay folks over the years.
Most companies if not all nowadays are at will employment, and employers can fire someone whenever they want for any reason they want. Would I respect a company that was that overtly racist, of course not. And with social media today, a company that was discovered doing that would last about 2 seconds.
So, no I'm not "cool" with owners firing someone because of their skin color, I just think the true freedoms of association that we like to espouse doesn't trickle down to business owners in this day and age.
Sad times that people don't get that this mindset would apply to them too. It's the same reason right wingers get deplatformed. But they don't realize how stupid they sound when you say "MUH GAY CAKE!" Like, you can deny business to everyone or no one, there's no case for any in-between. So, everyone in America should be able to be served or else we go full tribalism.
It's really amazing courts have completely thrown out the belief that a business owner has any rights when it comes to hiring and firing. More proof we are much more socialist than free. It's only going to get worse I fear.
Actually yes. Because by your admission such a business would never survive. If management did that to any of my coworkers I would quit in solidarity and encourage people not to patronize that business.
Freedom, how does it work?
That is not how this decision will be used and you know it. If you can't win on merit just force it via government. Great plan, dude. Businesses should be able to fire people for any reason. Period.
In point of fact, businesses operating in the jim crow era would likely also have chosen to not discriminate against a growing customer segment.
Laws are enacted to constrain the freely chosen behaviors of men. If Business owners were so racist that they didn't want black folk eating at their lunch counter or riding at the front of the bus then those restrictions would have been policies and not mandated by law.
The fact that those laws had to be enacted in the first place is arguably evidence that businesses generally do not want to discriminate, even at the high water mark of widespread racism.
Jim Crow laws were Jim Crow LAWS. People don't write laws, legislators do.
I think a business owner has inherent rights the same as any employee and if he or she only wants to hire people that they want working for them, honestly, they should be able to. Would I only hire white people or only straight? Nope and have hired many minoriites and gay folks over the years.
Most companies if not all nowadays are at will employment, and employers can fire someone whenever they want for any reason they want. Would I respect a company that was that overtly racist, of course not. And with social media today, a company that was discovered doing that would last about 2 seconds.
So, no I'm not "cool" with owners firing someone because of their skin color, I just think the true freedoms of association that we like to espouse doesn't trickle down to business owners in this day and age.
Sad times that people don't get that this mindset would apply to them too. It's the same reason right wingers get deplatformed. But they don't realize how stupid they sound when you say "MUH GAY CAKE!" Like, you can deny business to everyone or no one, there's no case for any in-between. So, everyone in America should be able to be served or else we go full tribalism.
Freedom is not supposed to be a one way thing. It shouldn’t be freedom for the customers but not for the owners.