The body cam audio shows that the cops knew he was freaking out, and they were just trying to hold him down and steady. One cop asked if, because of that "should we turn him on his side", and officer Chauvin said "no, that's why we are keeping him on his stomach". His actions, right or wrong, were not intended to kill George Floyd, but to actually help him...... unless, he's so diabolical that he just said those things on his body cam, so that he could murder Floyd in broad daylight, with people watching and filming him?
unless, he's so diabolical that he just said those things on his body cam, so that he could murder Floyd in broad daylight, with people watching and filming him?
I know. It defies common sense to think otherwise. But people do, even here on TD.
Ultimately, you can blame the mayor and police chief for training their officers this way. MPD trained their officers to do prone neck restraints for subjects they believed were experiencing excited delirium. Here is an excerpt from a very informative article about the facts of the case, and MPD's training. Link to actual article at the end.
As noted earlier, the government complaint against Chauvin states that the officers suspected excited delirium:
Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.”
This excerpt is of twofold importance. First, it demonstrates that two officers suspected excited delirium. Second, it demonstrates that Chauvin was restraining Floyd in this position because he suspected excited delirium (“that’s why we have him on his stomach”). Restraining an individual on his stomach is common in ExDS encounters. This is called “prone restraint”. In fact, it is often the recommended form of restraint until the officers can safely put the suspect in a different position:
As mentioned before, people experiencing EXD are highly agitated, violent, and show signs of unexpected strength so it is not surprising that most require physical restraint. The prone maximal restraint position (PMRP, also known as “hobble” or “hogtie”), where the person’s ankles and wrists are bound together behind their back, has been used extensively by field personnel. In far fewer cases, persons have been tied to a hospital gurney or manually held prone with knee pressure on the back or neck.
Two years ago, the 8th circuit ruled on a case involving both prone restraint and ExDS, writing that officers are entitled to qualified immunity in cases involving prone restraint, specifically denying 4th amendment privilege against excessive force:
Officers determined that keeping Layton in a prone position was best given his continued resistance, and Baker pressed Layton’s shoulders to the ground while Groby held Layton’s thighs […] this court has not deemed prone restraint unconstitutional in and of itself the few times we have addressed the issue […] Under these cases, there is no clearly established right against the use of prone restraints for a suspect that has been resisting.
Floyd was claustrophobic and the officers forced him into the back of the police car. Guess what happens when you are claustrophobic and go into a confined space? Oh yeah, panic attack and the feeling of being unable to breathe. When Chauvin saw him going into a panic attack he took him out of the car and placed him on the ground. Why? Because when people go into a state of delirium they could get themselves hurt by flinching around, hitting their head, falling over and so on. IT IS DEPARTMENT POLICY TO DO THIS!
This narrative is confirmed by what the other officers were talking about.
That's because Floyd can't breathe before he's on the ground. That paints a very different story.
The body cam audio shows that the cops knew he was freaking out, and they were just trying to hold him down and steady. One cop asked if, because of that "should we turn him on his side", and officer Chauvin said "no, that's why we are keeping him on his stomach". His actions, right or wrong, were not intended to kill George Floyd, but to actually help him...... unless, he's so diabolical that he just said those things on his body cam, so that he could murder Floyd in broad daylight, with people watching and filming him?
I know. It defies common sense to think otherwise. But people do, even here on TD.
He overdosed.
Ultimately, you can blame the mayor and police chief for training their officers this way. MPD trained their officers to do prone neck restraints for subjects they believed were experiencing excited delirium. Here is an excerpt from a very informative article about the facts of the case, and MPD's training. Link to actual article at the end.
As noted earlier, the government complaint against Chauvin states that the officers suspected excited delirium:
Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.”
This excerpt is of twofold importance. First, it demonstrates that two officers suspected excited delirium. Second, it demonstrates that Chauvin was restraining Floyd in this position because he suspected excited delirium (“that’s why we have him on his stomach”). Restraining an individual on his stomach is common in ExDS encounters. This is called “prone restraint”. In fact, it is often the recommended form of restraint until the officers can safely put the suspect in a different position:
As mentioned before, people experiencing EXD are highly agitated, violent, and show signs of unexpected strength so it is not surprising that most require physical restraint. The prone maximal restraint position (PMRP, also known as “hobble” or “hogtie”), where the person’s ankles and wrists are bound together behind their back, has been used extensively by field personnel. In far fewer cases, persons have been tied to a hospital gurney or manually held prone with knee pressure on the back or neck.
Two years ago, the 8th circuit ruled on a case involving both prone restraint and ExDS, writing that officers are entitled to qualified immunity in cases involving prone restraint, specifically denying 4th amendment privilege against excessive force:
Officers determined that keeping Layton in a prone position was best given his continued resistance, and Baker pressed Layton’s shoulders to the ground while Groby held Layton’s thighs […] this court has not deemed prone restraint unconstitutional in and of itself the few times we have addressed the issue […] Under these cases, there is no clearly established right against the use of prone restraints for a suspect that has been resisting.
Article here: https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911
Floyd was claustrophobic and the officers forced him into the back of the police car. Guess what happens when you are claustrophobic and go into a confined space? Oh yeah, panic attack and the feeling of being unable to breathe. When Chauvin saw him going into a panic attack he took him out of the car and placed him on the ground. Why? Because when people go into a state of delirium they could get themselves hurt by flinching around, hitting their head, falling over and so on. IT IS DEPARTMENT POLICY TO DO THIS!
This narrative is confirmed by what the other officers were talking about.