Republicans complaining "I don't agree with Trump doing this and bowing to the left" can go fuck themselves. He has to do something and you're ignorant if you can't see that. If the executive order actually address real issues and ways to legitimately improve situations surrounding police, then this is great.
If the pseudo-problems BLM and the Left always bitch about are addressed instead, then yeah it's bullshit. Given Trump's record, this will be the former, not the latter.
The concern isn’t so much that he’s doing something, it’s that he’s doing this in response to the left’s looting, riots, murders, destruction, insurrection... the concern is it enables all of that criminality as a “legitimate” means of advocacy in what’s supposed to be a civil society.
He’s not doing it in response to the riots. He is doing it in response to George Floyd and all the other cases of police brutality. None of those losers out kneeling are even going to know that he signed this order because CNN and MANPC will never report on it.
Legitimate question for you, not rhetorical: What is the alternative?
I'm not super happy about doing it either, but if he doesn't try to implement some sort of actual change, it's way too easy for his "lack of action" to be weaponized to sway public opinion. I'm all for sending in the national guard and shutting these riots down with ABSOLUTE FORCE, but I don't see why him doing this Executive Order (as long as the details aren't catered to BLM/Leftists) won't make that even easier to do. One could easily argue he took action to reform policy but still felt the need to shut down the violence with force.
This is really the case and he knows it. Why not take the opportunity to move the pieces in your favor though? Its his move and not moving is going to be noted as a move as well. Just ignoring it will not do anything. Taking action that would benefit all will be a great move. The part about getting police better situated to handling mental health and moving it off their plate where possible alone is good for the country.
You're assuming his Executive Order addresses "systemic racism". It's just as likely to be intended to address policies that improve police training, community involvement, and other legitimate areas where improvements can be made.
I'm with you on this. BLM is a bullshit movement and the claims they make of systemic racism are both over-inflated and the fault of their Democrat masters. But any fool can see there are issues in the justice system at every level that need to be reformed: police training, making sure bad apples get fired, prosecutorial misconduct, bad judges, a broken penal system. All of those issues transcend race but they hit the black community hardest—mostly for reasons that are the fault of a damaged culture celebrating thugs and encouraging broken families, but still.
Although I don't like this being done without a simultaneous show of force against the violent Antifa losers, I do think it's otherwise a politically wise move. More than that, Trump has proven time and again that he actually cares greatly about all Americans and does not take minorities for granted, so I think he's mostly doing this simply because it's the right thing to do.
School vouchers would ba a great way to improve things. Get black kids out of black neighborhood schools and mixed in with more white people so they can learn at a young age that white people aren't all racist and they have a chance at getting a good education.
The communities don't trust them because they are constantly being fed B.S. about how the police are their enemies. That will never change as long as those driving forces exist. One bad act, by one cop in the country will set the whole country on fire again.
Compare the difference between Guilliani's broken window policing policy to the "Baltimore effect" Crime went down massively under Guilliani, and the biggest beneficiary was black neighborhoods. In Baltimore, crime has risen rapidly (and it was pretty bad to begin with).
Do you think any business or investment will move into a high crime area when police don't respond to shoplifting, loitering, and vandalism?
Does anyone think we don’t have the strength to take down CHAZ? Let it go, let it expand and collapse on its own. Red pill as many as possible. Don’t stop your enemy when he is doing something that harms himself.
But if the community in and around CHOP support the protestors then you are going to suffer miserably for sending in a crushing military force. I think you need to at least wait until the people in Seattle sue the mayor or show how unhappy they are some way. As it stands I would not be at all surprised for Seattle idiots to think CHOP is a wonderful display of democracy and freedom. I say let their city go to complete shit.
Republicans complaining "I don't agree with Trump doing this and bowing to the left" can go fuck themselves. He has to do something and you're ignorant if you can't see that. If the executive order actually address real issues and ways to legitimately improve situations surrounding police, then this is great.
If the pseudo-problems BLM and the Left always bitch about are addressed instead, then yeah it's bullshit. Given Trump's record, this will be the former, not the latter.
The concern isn’t so much that he’s doing something, it’s that he’s doing this in response to the left’s looting, riots, murders, destruction, insurrection... the concern is it enables all of that criminality as a “legitimate” means of advocacy in what’s supposed to be a civil society.
He’s not doing it in response to the riots. He is doing it in response to George Floyd and all the other cases of police brutality. None of those losers out kneeling are even going to know that he signed this order because CNN and MANPC will never report on it.
You're being narrow. We can understand what he's doing and still disagree ffs
Legitimate question for you, not rhetorical: What is the alternative?
I'm not super happy about doing it either, but if he doesn't try to implement some sort of actual change, it's way too easy for his "lack of action" to be weaponized to sway public opinion. I'm all for sending in the national guard and shutting these riots down with ABSOLUTE FORCE, but I don't see why him doing this Executive Order (as long as the details aren't catered to BLM/Leftists) won't make that even easier to do. One could easily argue he took action to reform policy but still felt the need to shut down the violence with force.
He should have been fired immediately upon saying that.
I don't even know what's in it yet. But we arent a hivemind
He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Trump cannot win, period. No matter what he does, it will never be good enough.
This is really the case and he knows it. Why not take the opportunity to move the pieces in your favor though? Its his move and not moving is going to be noted as a move as well. Just ignoring it will not do anything. Taking action that would benefit all will be a great move. The part about getting police better situated to handling mental health and moving it off their plate where possible alone is good for the country.
You're assuming his Executive Order addresses "systemic racism". It's just as likely to be intended to address policies that improve police training, community involvement, and other legitimate areas where improvements can be made.
I'm with you on this. BLM is a bullshit movement and the claims they make of systemic racism are both over-inflated and the fault of their Democrat masters. But any fool can see there are issues in the justice system at every level that need to be reformed: police training, making sure bad apples get fired, prosecutorial misconduct, bad judges, a broken penal system. All of those issues transcend race but they hit the black community hardest—mostly for reasons that are the fault of a damaged culture celebrating thugs and encouraging broken families, but still.
Although I don't like this being done without a simultaneous show of force against the violent Antifa losers, I do think it's otherwise a politically wise move. More than that, Trump has proven time and again that he actually cares greatly about all Americans and does not take minorities for granted, so I think he's mostly doing this simply because it's the right thing to do.
School vouchers would ba a great way to improve things. Get black kids out of black neighborhood schools and mixed in with more white people so they can learn at a young age that white people aren't all racist and they have a chance at getting a good education.
The communities don't trust them because they are constantly being fed B.S. about how the police are their enemies. That will never change as long as those driving forces exist. One bad act, by one cop in the country will set the whole country on fire again.
Compare the difference between Guilliani's broken window policing policy to the "Baltimore effect" Crime went down massively under Guilliani, and the biggest beneficiary was black neighborhoods. In Baltimore, crime has risen rapidly (and it was pretty bad to begin with).
Do you think any business or investment will move into a high crime area when police don't respond to shoplifting, loitering, and vandalism?
This is such horseshit
Taking back 6 blocks of a shithole city does nothing for him or for us. I want long term thinking.
Does anyone think we don’t have the strength to take down CHAZ? Let it go, let it expand and collapse on its own. Red pill as many as possible. Don’t stop your enemy when he is doing something that harms himself.
You do realise this is bad for conservatives in the end right?
And if Biden gets elected, then what? You are not at all thinking long term.
Look at all the deleted comments
But if the community in and around CHOP support the protestors then you are going to suffer miserably for sending in a crushing military force. I think you need to at least wait until the people in Seattle sue the mayor or show how unhappy they are some way. As it stands I would not be at all surprised for Seattle idiots to think CHOP is a wonderful display of democracy and freedom. I say let their city go to complete shit.