Dude, I see you condone violence and even rape on this site on a regular basis. All of your posts seem poorly written and in all caps. If you're actually a Trump supporter, you should probably think before you post.
I don't say he was murdered, I say he was needlessly killed.
Why?
The cops are WEAK like everyone else.
My proof?
Drunk dude overpowered 2 cops in a Wendy's parking lot. Those cops did the right thing, but they were fucking weak to have 2 of them overpowered by one guy.
I'm sorry, but if folks are weak and need to gain control they're gonna have to go far to restrain/control people. Maybe if Chauvin had more red meat and less soy in his diet, he could've held fentanyl floyd down without needing to sit on his neck for 8 minutes. THEN they would've had the paramedics bring narcan because Fentanyl Floyd was on the verge of ODing at the time.
My point is, a cop held to some sort of physical fitness standard would not have needed to use that hold as long or at all. The issue would disappear if we quit conceding to the left's bullshit and actually required people to be strong where it is necessary.
My dad is a retired cop. I used to use the gym to work out myself. Plenty of those cops were in there working out constantly to be strong. Why? So they would be more safe...
Such as... arresting a guy for DUI and having him make you and your buddy look weak and end up having to shoot him.
As folks here like to point out, drugs like PCP and shit give folks SUPER STRENGTH. If you're not preparing for the worst of your job, you're not being useful to your job.
The MPD manual was clear Chauvin applied the technique wrongly. The murder charge is fine, Chauvin acted rogue.
Video is also clear Floyd had stopped responding. So while applying the hold initially might have been the correct decision, keeping it applied long after the perp goes unresponsive was not.
The only retard here is you and the people pushing for higher charges than Murder in the 3rd degree. 3rd degree murder is easy to prove with the current body of evidence, and no extra footage can change that.
I don't get why anyone here feels the need to defend dirtybag cops that make all the good ones look bad. Chauvin was not a good cop.
Chauvin's basically doing an awkward knee version of hover-hand later on, probably trying not to look as if he's worried his knee caused any harm in the first place by re-positioning for the cameras. 4X a lethal dose of fentanyl and heart problems killed Floyd.
Chauvin did or said nothing cruel, "rogue", or racist, by the way. It's a black bystander that keeps scolding floyd "bruv, get up and get in the car right man. I told you you can't win. I saw the whole thing" while Chauvin's face is hidden. Gives everybody the mistaken impression Chauvin taunts Floyd sounding like a cruel horror movie redneck.
Who said racist ? You did. I didn't. This isn't a race thing, that's a MSM talking point.
Chauvin kept the hold after Floyd went unconscious, regs were clear that should not have happened. So yes Chauvin went rogue. He went off regs.
Anyway, lots of you pro-Chauvin anti-Trump shills are probably mad now that Trump has made the maneuver entirely illegal and your little bad cop buddies are out of a job today. Good cops will finally be able to take back the streets.
The neck hold was legit, however Chauvin did not apply it correctly, the MPD site regs (before as you say they voted to no longer use it and thus removed it) said to release the hold as soon as a perp was not actively resisting, which Chauvin failed to do.
This isn't hard. 2 things can be true at the same time.
Sure it would, since the cops had completely immobilized and restrained and cuffed Floyd. Then held him down with the force of 4 people for so long he passed out. Make those cops stronger, they still hold the position, Floyd still dies.
This isn't even a situation like the Wendy's in Atlanta, Chauvin and his goons had Floyd mastered and then just kept the pressure on for shits and giggles.
Atlanta cops were good guys attempting to do the right thing and the perp went all the way forcing their hands. Had they been stronger and fitter, they could have probably controlled him better. Chauvin and his band of merry men were idiots and people who defend them are also idiots.
He was cuffed the whole time that four cops couldn't keep him in the vehicle. There's no reason to call Chauvin a scumbag. He just had the bad luck to be there. He was well aware he wasn't doing anything with his knee to kill Floyd.
I don't think either examiner said they found any medical evidence that the knee contributed to the death, they basically said they assumed that possibility from the video alone. And if they probably weren't afraid of being attacked by rioters or fired or something they might be more critical of that idea. I think it's stupid to assume Chauvin had malice or incompetence enough to manage to choke Floyd just enough to kill him before the heart attack or OD got him, but also not look to me like he was even pressing or leave a bruise while staring into a camera.
I call bullshit. The complete coroner’s report is available on George Floyd. He had a toxic fentanyl level of 11 ng/mL Deaths have resulted from such low levels as 3 ng/mL.
The report also states that there are no bulbar or palpebral conjunctival petechiae. There are no facial, periorbital, or oral mucosal petechiae. Petechiae is seen in homicides caused by strangulation or suffocation and no petechiae were seen in George Floyd's autopsy.
Upon exam of the neck the report reads: Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature. The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are intact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid is symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change. The tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries. The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.
It is evident that his death was caused by drug overdose not the police. There is video of him dropping a bag of dope behind him (unseen by the police) when the police sat him down. It is a high probability he swallowed some fentanyl when he seen the police coming up to his vehicle.
Would be interesting but don’t fool yourself into thinking it matters. Good luck finding an excuse for kneeling on someone for almost 9 minutes straight. Easily could have gotten off of him 4-5 minutes earlier if not sooner.
The only reason to get off him was for optics. And they have plenty of excuses to put optics last. The knee didn't do jack shit to Floyd except confuse people as to how he died.
That's a reason they could reposition him, but not a reason they should. Chauvin probably didn't want to make it look as if the knee hold actually hurt him like the onlookers thought. What's he going to do? Even the EMT's couldn't reverse his drug abuse and heart attack. I suppose they could have boxed him up and become dancing pallbearers?
No, the reason to get off him is that the regs the MPD issued on choke holds is to release as soon as the perp stops actively resisting. Good cops follow regs. Stop making excuses for bad cops.
There's a big difference between choking someone and having their knee against his neck. Floyd didn't choke to death, and Chauvin wan't "holding" a choke.
Having anything against someone's neck is what we refer to as a choke hold, even if you don't apply enough pressure or don't apply pressure to the proper part of the neck to choke someone out.
That's why the holds are dangerous. That's why Trump has now banned them nationwide.
Why do you go against Trump this much on his biggest fan site ? That's my question.
Trumps doing the right thing politically, where fee-fees and misinterpretations matter. Doesn't matter here. Just like Wuhan Flu the choke holds are not as dangerous as we're led to believe. That's why they've put up a fight so long keeping politically incorrect chokeholds around. They say seeing statues is dangerous too. The fact of the situation is that Chauvin didn't contribute to Floyd's death other than Floyd perhaps overexerting himself into a heart attack resisting four cops?
So what if he didn't jump back 6 feet to display his knee was no longer "choking" Floyd (which it basically never was in this case, because Chauvin was careful). His failure to telegraph the effective end of the "choke hold" to the public like a mime doesn't alter the reality that his knee didn't contribute to Floyds death. We don't have to wring hands over unpopular facts here. And winge that Chauvin didn't give an obvious appearance that he was obeying regulations.
Perhaps to appease the mob and prevent more riots...There is a history, perhaps some words were exchanged that would indicate, the incident was not racist at all and that a non-related issue was in-play. Jury selection will be insane, but eventually this video will come out.
It will come out that Floyd said, hey man I know chauvin, call him, and officers requested chauvin on scene and chauvin was empathetic towards Floyd saying whats going on man, what are you doing, I still have to take you in, floyd still resisted and start freaking out and chauvin actually let him back out of the car to sit outside to be more comfortable and floyd was still freaking out and chauvin can be heard saying, what are you on man.
Chauvin's car arrived on scene just a couple minutes later. He was already responding before they knew Floyd's identity, and Floyd had already complained of "feeling claustrophobic" and had fallen once before Chauvin arrived. He may have been a dead man walking no matter what the police did.
The knee itself was stated as a dangerous maneuver in the MPD guidelines. There's also no denying that he didn't properly assess the state of the perp while performing the maneuver.
Chauvin was unfriendly. Having your knee on someone after they passed out and refusing to change the position of that someone is not friendly at all.
Why aren't there more pictures of Chauvin out there? The mugshots and smirking knee ones don't convince me it's the same guy, at all.
Funny we've heard practically nothing of his history. Evidently he was never on social media
https://i.imgur.com/SFfcZRc.jpg
Does Floyd lose his hair during the arrest?!
Look at his ears in the mugshot. It's the same guy with a different focal length.
Not even close on the ears, or the hairline based on those pics.
Dude, I see you condone violence and even rape on this site on a regular basis. All of your posts seem poorly written and in all caps. If you're actually a Trump supporter, you should probably think before you post.
Oh please, your anti-Trump shilling is showing.
I'm looking at it, seeing a lot of going against Trump.
I don't say he was murdered, I say he was needlessly killed.
Why?
The cops are WEAK like everyone else.
My proof?
Drunk dude overpowered 2 cops in a Wendy's parking lot. Those cops did the right thing, but they were fucking weak to have 2 of them overpowered by one guy.
I'm sorry, but if folks are weak and need to gain control they're gonna have to go far to restrain/control people. Maybe if Chauvin had more red meat and less soy in his diet, he could've held fentanyl floyd down without needing to sit on his neck for 8 minutes. THEN they would've had the paramedics bring narcan because Fentanyl Floyd was on the verge of ODing at the time.
It'd definitely a scam.
My point is, a cop held to some sort of physical fitness standard would not have needed to use that hold as long or at all. The issue would disappear if we quit conceding to the left's bullshit and actually required people to be strong where it is necessary.
My dad is a retired cop. I used to use the gym to work out myself. Plenty of those cops were in there working out constantly to be strong. Why? So they would be more safe...
Such as... arresting a guy for DUI and having him make you and your buddy look weak and end up having to shoot him.
As folks here like to point out, drugs like PCP and shit give folks SUPER STRENGTH. If you're not preparing for the worst of your job, you're not being useful to your job.
"Those cops did the right thing, but they were fucking weak to have 2 of them overpowered by one guy."
Now tell us Fentanyl Floyd's height and weight.
that's not relevant to my point.
Then make your point clearer.
Cops weak, like everyone else.
Weak cops have to use tools sooner than stronger cops.
Be stronger, you won't need to do this stuff as such.
Strong asshole see weak cop? Think he can fight weak cop.
Strong asshole see strong cop? He think twice.
Did you see chauvin's biceps?
My 6 month old nephew has more muscle mass.
The MPD manual was clear Chauvin applied the technique wrongly. The murder charge is fine, Chauvin acted rogue.
Video is also clear Floyd had stopped responding. So while applying the hold initially might have been the correct decision, keeping it applied long after the perp goes unresponsive was not.
The only retard here is you and the people pushing for higher charges than Murder in the 3rd degree. 3rd degree murder is easy to prove with the current body of evidence, and no extra footage can change that.
I don't get why anyone here feels the need to defend dirtybag cops that make all the good ones look bad. Chauvin was not a good cop.
Chauvin's basically doing an awkward knee version of hover-hand later on, probably trying not to look as if he's worried his knee caused any harm in the first place by re-positioning for the cameras. 4X a lethal dose of fentanyl and heart problems killed Floyd.
Chauvin did or said nothing cruel, "rogue", or racist, by the way. It's a black bystander that keeps scolding floyd "bruv, get up and get in the car right man. I told you you can't win. I saw the whole thing" while Chauvin's face is hidden. Gives everybody the mistaken impression Chauvin taunts Floyd sounding like a cruel horror movie redneck.
Who said racist ? You did. I didn't. This isn't a race thing, that's a MSM talking point.
Chauvin kept the hold after Floyd went unconscious, regs were clear that should not have happened. So yes Chauvin went rogue. He went off regs.
Anyway, lots of you pro-Chauvin anti-Trump shills are probably mad now that Trump has made the maneuver entirely illegal and your little bad cop buddies are out of a job today. Good cops will finally be able to take back the streets.
Right. So right, even Trump agrees. Stop being an anti-Trump shill.
If Floyd didn't have problems the footage would have leaked before the story did
I thought they already admitted the neck hold was legit and had already voted it to no longer be used?
I swear that was a news cycle already.
The neck hold was legit, however Chauvin did not apply it correctly, the MPD site regs (before as you say they voted to no longer use it and thus removed it) said to release the hold as soon as a perp was not actively resisting, which Chauvin failed to do.
This isn't hard. 2 things can be true at the same time.
I'm not disagreeing at all. I'm saying if the cops were held to fitness standards it wouldn't have played out that way
Sure it would, since the cops had completely immobilized and restrained and cuffed Floyd. Then held him down with the force of 4 people for so long he passed out. Make those cops stronger, they still hold the position, Floyd still dies.
This isn't even a situation like the Wendy's in Atlanta, Chauvin and his goons had Floyd mastered and then just kept the pressure on for shits and giggles.
Atlanta cops were good guys attempting to do the right thing and the perp went all the way forcing their hands. Had they been stronger and fitter, they could have probably controlled him better. Chauvin and his band of merry men were idiots and people who defend them are also idiots.
Floyd was cuffed. He could have been repositionned, his vitals assessed.
Dunno why you guys defend a scumbag liberal like Chauvin. Lots of anti-trump shills here.
He was cuffed the whole time that four cops couldn't keep him in the vehicle. There's no reason to call Chauvin a scumbag. He just had the bad luck to be there. He was well aware he wasn't doing anything with his knee to kill Floyd.
Trump calls Chauvin a scumbag because what he did was a scumbag move. Broke regs, endangered a man, and contributed to his death.
Stop being anti-Trump dude.
Medical examiner is clear : Knee did contribute. Or do you believe the lib paid examiner that said otherwise in his paid autopsy for MSDNC ?
Go shill elsewhere.
I don't think either examiner said they found any medical evidence that the knee contributed to the death, they basically said they assumed that possibility from the video alone. And if they probably weren't afraid of being attacked by rioters or fired or something they might be more critical of that idea. I think it's stupid to assume Chauvin had malice or incompetence enough to manage to choke Floyd just enough to kill him before the heart attack or OD got him, but also not look to me like he was even pressing or leave a bruise while staring into a camera.
Then you didn't read the actual examiner's report. The 2nd autopsy was a paid psyops.
I call bullshit. The complete coroner’s report is available on George Floyd. He had a toxic fentanyl level of 11 ng/mL Deaths have resulted from such low levels as 3 ng/mL.
The report also states that there are no bulbar or palpebral conjunctival petechiae. There are no facial, periorbital, or oral mucosal petechiae. Petechiae is seen in homicides caused by strangulation or suffocation and no petechiae were seen in George Floyd's autopsy.
Upon exam of the neck the report reads: Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature. The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are intact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid is symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change. The tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries. The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.
It is evident that his death was caused by drug overdose not the police. There is video of him dropping a bag of dope behind him (unseen by the police) when the police sat him down. It is a high probability he swallowed some fentanyl when he seen the police coming up to his vehicle.
Autopsy is at: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf
Literally contradicts the report and examiner. The stress from restraint on top of his heart condition caused his death, from the report you linked.
That's why charges are pressed.
You even link the report and fail to read it. WTF dude.
Fentanyl Floyd died from a Fentanyl O.D.
It'll be used in the trial where Chauvin will be acquitted of the killing and then another batch of riots will ensue.
(Leaked)? Transcript ? https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/7070-exhibit-final07072020/4b81216735f2203a08cb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
Would be interesting but don’t fool yourself into thinking it matters. Good luck finding an excuse for kneeling on someone for almost 9 minutes straight. Easily could have gotten off of him 4-5 minutes earlier if not sooner.
The only reason to get off him was for optics. And they have plenty of excuses to put optics last. The knee didn't do jack shit to Floyd except confuse people as to how he died.
Nah it would have been because the original purpose of doing it was done.
That's a reason they could reposition him, but not a reason they should. Chauvin probably didn't want to make it look as if the knee hold actually hurt him like the onlookers thought. What's he going to do? Even the EMT's couldn't reverse his drug abuse and heart attack. I suppose they could have boxed him up and become dancing pallbearers?
No, the reason to get off him is that the regs the MPD issued on choke holds is to release as soon as the perp stops actively resisting. Good cops follow regs. Stop making excuses for bad cops.
There's a big difference between choking someone and having their knee against his neck. Floyd didn't choke to death, and Chauvin wan't "holding" a choke.
Having anything against someone's neck is what we refer to as a choke hold, even if you don't apply enough pressure or don't apply pressure to the proper part of the neck to choke someone out.
That's why the holds are dangerous. That's why Trump has now banned them nationwide.
Why do you go against Trump this much on his biggest fan site ? That's my question.
Trumps doing the right thing politically, where fee-fees and misinterpretations matter. Doesn't matter here. Just like Wuhan Flu the choke holds are not as dangerous as we're led to believe. That's why they've put up a fight so long keeping politically incorrect chokeholds around. They say seeing statues is dangerous too. The fact of the situation is that Chauvin didn't contribute to Floyd's death other than Floyd perhaps overexerting himself into a heart attack resisting four cops?
So what if he didn't jump back 6 feet to display his knee was no longer "choking" Floyd (which it basically never was in this case, because Chauvin was careful). His failure to telegraph the effective end of the "choke hold" to the public like a mime doesn't alter the reality that his knee didn't contribute to Floyds death. We don't have to wring hands over unpopular facts here. And winge that Chauvin didn't give an obvious appearance that he was obeying regulations.
Trump's doing the right thing period. If you don't agree, you don't belong on this site.
Perhaps Floyd admits he knows Chauvin and spills some very touchy beans about a counterfeit money operation...?
Perhaps to appease the mob and prevent more riots...There is a history, perhaps some words were exchanged that would indicate, the incident was not racist at all and that a non-related issue was in-play. Jury selection will be insane, but eventually this video will come out.
It will come out that Floyd said, hey man I know chauvin, call him, and officers requested chauvin on scene and chauvin was empathetic towards Floyd saying whats going on man, what are you doing, I still have to take you in, floyd still resisted and start freaking out and chauvin actually let him back out of the car to sit outside to be more comfortable and floyd was still freaking out and chauvin can be heard saying, what are you on man.
Chauvin's car arrived on scene just a couple minutes later. He was already responding before they knew Floyd's identity, and Floyd had already complained of "feeling claustrophobic" and had fallen once before Chauvin arrived. He may have been a dead man walking no matter what the police did.
Chauvin was asked by his partners to let go of Floyd and he refused. So no, it's quite the opposite. Chauvin was not trying to be friendly here.
The knee itself was stated as a dangerous maneuver in the MPD guidelines. There's also no denying that he didn't properly assess the state of the perp while performing the maneuver.
Chauvin was unfriendly. Having your knee on someone after they passed out and refusing to change the position of that someone is not friendly at all.