There's been a lot of talk on the left that anyone that voted for Bernie would surely never vote for Trump. I'm here to dispel that myth.
I am someone that is very much pro-working class and pro-nation. I am concerned with corporate cronyism and exploitation of the middle class by the capitalist class. I believe we should solve our problems at home before we go intervening in the problems of the rest of the world. I would like to see a return to the days when a middle-class nuclear family could survive and thrive on one income. I want to end the corruption in Washington. For these reasons, I put my more conservative social leanings to the side and chose Bernie.
To simplify things, you could say I am fiscally left-leaning while socially right-leaning. Turns out this position is far more popular in Europe, but I assure you, we do exist in the US. In fact, I would argue that Donald Trump embodies much of these views...he nearly had my vote in 2016 for the same reasons. Now, with the recent influx of BLM and Antifa chaos, I have officially had enough of the left. I like that Trump has refused to back-down with these assholes, and I hope to see more of that. I want to know that if re-elected, Trump will put all of these fuckers back in their place. I want to know that I won't have to live in fear of losing my job because I have an actual understanding of statistics and refuse to subscribe to the narrative that "systemic racism" is the reason black people just can't get ahead (despite having EVERY opportunity handed to them in this country).
Most of all, I want to know that we truly can Make America Great Again (I won't say "Keep" because I don't think we're there yet). Tell me what I can do to help.
Edit: Okay everyone, I'm off for the evening.
I expected the occasional "commie" ribbing (though not the one guy that called me a nazi?), and that's fine. Most of you were welcoming enough and provided some interested sources of info for me to consider in light of my economic views. As I said lower in the thread, I am willing to consider evidence from all sides, and should new information come along that adequately refutes my beliefs, I will amend. For the moment, in these current times of insanity, we're on the same side where it counts.
We learn through discourse, and I'm glad many of you were willing to engage in such with me. Cheers.
Are you a commie?
I just want a strong middle-class. I want people who weren't born into multi-generational wealth to have access to education and actually be able to create a respectable life for themselves in this country. If that's your definition of communism, then we may be at odds.
Then you need to support school choice and denounce the school unions which basically guarantee shitty public education for all.
Taking money from the working poor and middle class and "redistributing" it to those who choose to get ridiculously overpriced college degrees, corrupt "charities", globalist causes, corrupt foreign aid, and those who refuse to work, while importing millions of legal and illegal immigrants to flood the labor market and drive down prices, and going into disastrous "free trade" deals that serves only to offshore human and environmental exploitation to line the pockets of corporations, while also fueling envy and hatred against anybody who has more, will never achieve what you want.
Trump has done more to help rebuild the middle class than anybody in 50 years. Bernie would have accelerated its decline.
I should have mentioned above, I am anti-globalist and also in favor of closing the border. Build the wall, absolutely. This is another reason why I've switched to Trump, I could never get onboard with the idea that open-borders was compatible with a thriving American middle-class. I still think we might disagree on your conceptions of education.
And in that case, I want to keep hearing more about it! Thank you.
Bernie would have given you globalism and open borders though.
A carpenter who grew up poor, started working at 15 and works six days a week to provide for his family -- sacrificing taking part in many of the best hours of his childrens' lives -- exactly how much of his labor do you believe a well off upper middle class kid is entitled to, in order to buy themselves a $60,000 gender studies degree from a name-brand college that will produce nothing of value to society except a brainwashed globalist liberal who believes that carpenter is the devil, an all-powerful deplorable who must be "resisted", crushed, and have his rights stripped from him and his children for the crime of having the incorrect education level, being the wrong race, or having a different opinion about things?
Do you think it is just and fair if that man were forced to work another day of the week for this?
The idea of education benefiting society does not work if education institutions have been filled with subversive globalists and America-haters in the pay of foreign communist parties, and whose institutions don't teach useful productive skills but rather more of their putrid hateful ideologies. If you fix that, then people would be much happier to see more of their tax dollars go to higher education.
See how you have to structure these things to create mutually beneficial incentives? Rather than use a gun to force them to do what is best for "the greater good"?
Non-capitalist countries do not generate what you say you want. Why is that?
We have access to the internet which is pretty much better than an education. I've learned far more off of youtube than I ever did in college. However people aren't used to it yet.
Also to get a strong middle class you need to control the supply of labor. If you allow mass immigration the value of labor goes down as workers become plentiful and jobs limited. If you restrict immigration then businesses cannot cause employees to fight over ever decreasing wages and instead have to raise wages to compete with other businesses poaching their employees.
Haha great answer. You’re polished. I think most people have access to education and a respectable life if they want it. Seems people are allowed to succeed and allowed to fail in this country and that strikes me as fair.