There's been a lot of talk on the left that anyone that voted for Bernie would surely never vote for Trump. I'm here to dispel that myth.
I am someone that is very much pro-working class and pro-nation. I am concerned with corporate cronyism and exploitation of the middle class by the capitalist class. I believe we should solve our problems at home before we go intervening in the problems of the rest of the world. I would like to see a return to the days when a middle-class nuclear family could survive and thrive on one income. I want to end the corruption in Washington. For these reasons, I put my more conservative social leanings to the side and chose Bernie.
To simplify things, you could say I am fiscally left-leaning while socially right-leaning. Turns out this position is far more popular in Europe, but I assure you, we do exist in the US. In fact, I would argue that Donald Trump embodies much of these views...he nearly had my vote in 2016 for the same reasons. Now, with the recent influx of BLM and Antifa chaos, I have officially had enough of the left. I like that Trump has refused to back-down with these assholes, and I hope to see more of that. I want to know that if re-elected, Trump will put all of these fuckers back in their place. I want to know that I won't have to live in fear of losing my job because I have an actual understanding of statistics and refuse to subscribe to the narrative that "systemic racism" is the reason black people just can't get ahead (despite having EVERY opportunity handed to them in this country).
Most of all, I want to know that we truly can Make America Great Again (I won't say "Keep" because I don't think we're there yet). Tell me what I can do to help.
Edit: Okay everyone, I'm off for the evening.
I expected the occasional "commie" ribbing (though not the one guy that called me a nazi?), and that's fine. Most of you were welcoming enough and provided some interested sources of info for me to consider in light of my economic views. As I said lower in the thread, I am willing to consider evidence from all sides, and should new information come along that adequately refutes my beliefs, I will amend. For the moment, in these current times of insanity, we're on the same side where it counts.
We learn through discourse, and I'm glad many of you were willing to engage in such with me. Cheers.
Grab a coat. We don't have to agree on everything, except that the left has lost their fucking minds. We can get back to normal after we correct the crazy.
The left is eating itself; as they always do.
Power to the people is definitely something we can ALL agree on.This is the most reassuring response I've seen yet. So glad to see people thinking this way in the Trump camp! Thank you.
I couldn't agree more.
Biden is a neoliberal who will make no meaningful changes to the economic system; he'll just be a return to the old ruling class. He won't stand up for worker's rights in terms of trade agreements as Trump has, and he has shown a complete willingness to be cucked by BLM. Even if someone were to tell me that Trump would also make no meaningful economic changes in the way I'd like, I'd still choose him over Biden if it means combating the SJW narrative.
u/Count_Zero is a commie. He thinks he is entitled to other peoples property so he wants to take it through legal means. Edit: which he is free to be ... and i'm free to disagree.
The man is without question, the most honest politician in Washington (you can't dispute the man's voting record or adherence to principles), thus I truly believed he would do everything he said. That means something to me.
For the rest of my explanation, see my response to u/Eu-is-socialist which lays out my fiscal/economic views, all of which Bernie supports.
Bernie is a cuck and a sellout. He has three houses and makes a combined income over $200,000 (before his multi million dollar book deals), and paid 13% tax on that while preaching at hard working middle class people strugging to get by and save to buy just one house while trying to take care of their families that they are selfish bigots shirking their social responsibilities for not paying more. He's a nasty hateful divisive racist who then told them that they didn't know what it was like to be poor if they were white.
He fleeced his greedy gullible supporters out of millions of dollars in donations in a Nigerian-prince scam where he kept promising them vast amounts of free riches (courtesy of the billionaihs) if they would only just give him a little more money. Then he turned around in the middle of the campaign (in 2016) in took that money and used it to charter a massive jet airliner spewing out tons of CO2 to take his extended family on a vacation to Europe instead of doing his morally bound democratic duty to call in to question the many very real problems that his opponent had, which would ultimately sink her bid for presidency.
He's a greedy, lazy, worthless hack. He's done nothing except suckle on the teat of the taxpayer and achieve nothing. In his thirties, he was actually kicked out of a hippie commune for being too lazy. I'm not making this up, kicked out of a hippie commune for being too lazy. At this point he had literally never had a real job in his life -- look at his resume, it looks like something a middle schooler would come up with and claimed he had jobs but it contained no references, no company names, just more lies. It would be another ten years before he got a "real" job, which was the beginning of his long and worthless career as a professional politician. Sucking money from the working people and using it to buy himself property.
In short, he's a typical socialist. Like his followers, none of whom have ever had the slightest thought of helping others. No socialist ever believes they will be worse off under socialism. If they actually wanted to help others, they don't need to wait until the state forces them to redistribute their property and income to those who need it more, they can go out right now and do that themselves. Not a single one of them ever does.
You must henceforth renounce self-hate, failure, cuckoldry, socialism, racism, islamophilia, warmongering, open borders, censorship and attacks on rights and freedom, and all the infernal tools of the globalist. The Power of Kek compels you.
Thank you for saying this.
Yassss!
^^^Absolutely!
Rand Paul is pretty clean too.
Oh hey, theres a lot like you around here. The first thing you can do to help, is watch the President speak. What he says and what gets reported are almost two entirely different things, then talk to those on the fence; encourage them to actually listen to what is being said.
Ive had more than a few people join the side of America by just encouraging them to listen directly to him. The Whitehouse has a youtube channel where you can check out a lot of the events he speaks at that the news ignores. Both Pres Trump and VP Pence have had some really moving, positive speeches dont miss out.
Welcome to the team and please help us red pill others
I hope you're not letting some of the blind ideologues get to you here. Regardless of where your political affiliations are, or even if you're not a Trump supporter you're welcome here. Similar to you I want a strong middle class, but I could never get on board with the progressive movement. A lot of the racial justice BS really turned me away from the left. The color of my skin never held me back in life. Here in Austin I ran into three Trump supporters. Every single one of us were all over the place politically. I think the reason why the tent is so large on the right is because we all agree that the left has officially lost their damn minds. In other words the left left us.
I have pretty thick skin, fortunately. I knew what I'd be in for here. I mostly came to talk to the folks that are willing to be objective and definitely to see how many others like myself there may be. Thanks for this!
Very similar to where I was in 2016. Welcome! ...and see you’re given a coat if you need one.
Thanks, friend!
Welcome aboard.
How can you help?
Combat the echo chambers online, including this one, by pointing out any bs when you see it.
How bad do you want a refund?
I never donated more than I could afford to give as I'm a responsible adult. Anyone who did otherwise will have to deal with the consequences. I don't require a refund.
Are you a commie?
I just want a strong middle-class. I want people who weren't born into multi-generational wealth to have access to education and actually be able to create a respectable life for themselves in this country. If that's your definition of communism, then we may be at odds.
Then you need to support school choice and denounce the school unions which basically guarantee shitty public education for all.
Taking money from the working poor and middle class and "redistributing" it to those who choose to get ridiculously overpriced college degrees, corrupt "charities", globalist causes, corrupt foreign aid, and those who refuse to work, while importing millions of legal and illegal immigrants to flood the labor market and drive down prices, and going into disastrous "free trade" deals that serves only to offshore human and environmental exploitation to line the pockets of corporations, while also fueling envy and hatred against anybody who has more, will never achieve what you want.
Trump has done more to help rebuild the middle class than anybody in 50 years. Bernie would have accelerated its decline.
I should have mentioned above, I am anti-globalist and also in favor of closing the border. Build the wall, absolutely. This is another reason why I've switched to Trump, I could never get onboard with the idea that open-borders was compatible with a thriving American middle-class. I still think we might disagree on your conceptions of education.
And in that case, I want to keep hearing more about it! Thank you.
Bernie would have given you globalism and open borders though.
A carpenter who grew up poor, started working at 15 and works six days a week to provide for his family -- sacrificing taking part in many of the best hours of his childrens' lives -- exactly how much of his labor do you believe a well off upper middle class kid is entitled to, in order to buy themselves a $60,000 gender studies degree from a name-brand college that will produce nothing of value to society except a brainwashed globalist liberal who believes that carpenter is the devil, an all-powerful deplorable who must be "resisted", crushed, and have his rights stripped from him and his children for the crime of having the incorrect education level, being the wrong race, or having a different opinion about things?
Do you think it is just and fair if that man were forced to work another day of the week for this?
The idea of education benefiting society does not work if education institutions have been filled with subversive globalists and America-haters in the pay of foreign communist parties, and whose institutions don't teach useful productive skills but rather more of their putrid hateful ideologies. If you fix that, then people would be much happier to see more of their tax dollars go to higher education.
See how you have to structure these things to create mutually beneficial incentives? Rather than use a gun to force them to do what is best for "the greater good"?
Non-capitalist countries do not generate what you say you want. Why is that?
We have access to the internet which is pretty much better than an education. I've learned far more off of youtube than I ever did in college. However people aren't used to it yet.
Also to get a strong middle class you need to control the supply of labor. If you allow mass immigration the value of labor goes down as workers become plentiful and jobs limited. If you restrict immigration then businesses cannot cause employees to fight over ever decreasing wages and instead have to raise wages to compete with other businesses poaching their employees.
Haha great answer. You’re polished. I think most people have access to education and a respectable life if they want it. Seems people are allowed to succeed and allowed to fail in this country and that strikes me as fair.
I was a dedicated Bernie Bro, S4P, phone calls, door knocks, sign waving,etc.And then he lost, or was pushed, and I watched everything he had ever said ( I went to the rallies and watched them Online) turn into the DNC talking points he had railed against. And after watching msm tearing him down and lying about everything he had said or done, I started to wonder if they might be doing the same against the Republican....and I did some research. Check out #walkaway. You will find similar stories from those on the left or casual democrats, opening their eyes to what the left really is.
I'm not much for twitter, but I'll definitely check it out.Thanks for the tip.
It’s mainly on YouTube, as it is video testimonials of people like me, ex Berners, ex Hillary, ex Dems, and what happened and why. Brandon Straka’s initial video sets it up.
I too was once of a 'we should try socialism' mindset'. The year was 2007, 0blahblah was on the scene, and I had learned about Captain and Congressman, Dr. Ron Paul from a doc named 'Zeitgeist'. So, essentially the same: Fiscally left, and socially right. Allowed my mind to entertain other ideas, in conjunction with 'the love of money is the root of all evil', and poof, I dove down the rabbit hole. Here we are. 8)
Welcome, former Bernie Bro. Be prepared to discover how many Trump supporters in these forums were in the exact same camp as you.
Same here, bro. I really wanted Bernie in 2016 and was all up in the info about Clinton and how corrupt she was. When he lost to her, I knew I could not trust the democrat party, especially with the emails that came out.
I had watched a lot of Trump on Jimmy Kimmel before this point, and from what I could tell, he wasn't a bad candidate. That was of course when they were still trying to paint him in a good light when he was the "pied piper candidate," with them thinking he was too radical to be accepted by a wide range of people. But he was real. Definitely not perfect, but I believed he wanted to do right for America in his own way.
Bernie had every opportunity to reveal the corruption of democrat party and really rally against the system, but he chose to endorse the corruption in spite of his opponent. I lost ALL respect for him at that moment. If he could not speak up against what was done to him, especially while he had so many people on his side, and so much information, there is no way that he could make it on his own as president. He would have to fight his own deep state, take care of the country, and deal with other countries and active threats. People would just walk right over him, more so than the democrat party did in 2016.
I don't agree with everything Trump does, but I think he is the right man for the job, and I believe he has the best for this country in mind. We will Make America Great Again!
No President is perfect, but this one keeps his promises and is doung his best. That's why we hired him and that's why he is the greatest President of my middle Boomer lifetime.
At this point, how could anyone vote for a Democrat? They seem to have gone completely insane. Even if you personally hate President Trump, you’d have to be a madman to vote for whichever Dem is on the ticket.
The Democrats have joined the Chinese in population social control. Voting for them isn't in anyone's long term interest.
What do you see as the overlap in policy ideas shared between Bernie and Trump? Bernie has gone after Trump rather hard in the past with the same tired cliches of racism, homophobia, Islamaphobia, sexism, bigotry, etc... what do you make of that now that you want to MAGA?
I see overlap in terms of foreign policy, both could be considered isolationist (stay the hell out of unnecessary conflicts and solve the problems at HOME first). Both have economic protectionist views and look to penalize major corporations for offshoring US jobs. Both have an interest in restoring the dignity of the middle-class family in this light.
As for the SJW attacks against Trump. I don't agree with any of that, never did. It's come to such a fever pitch now, that I decided to stop by here and have a chat with you folks. That's how much all that bullshit has alienated me from the left.
I have a Bernie bro friend who voted for Trump in 2016. I know that there are other similarly minded folks who did last time, and I am sure some will this time. It isn't unheard of. Anyhow, it's nice to have you on thedonald.win.
Thanks, buddeh... Welcome aboard.
bernie is not pro working class or pro nation
but welcome nontheless lol. check out HA Goodman on youtube. he was also a bernie supporter turned trump supporter
OK, I have a simple question. Why did you previously support a self-avowed socialist despite the abundant failures of socialism?
The government destroys damn near every industry it tries to take control of. It destroyed healthcare with Obamacare (premiums shot through the roof, deductibles went through the roof, certain areas had no plans in the Obamacare network, and the website cost more than Trump's estimates for the border wall), and other nations with socialist healthcare have longer wait times and worse treatment. Canada's system is worse than ours. Mick Jagger infamously received a major surgery here in America instead of using the UK's socialist system.
When the government can't even run the DMV correctly in several states, why allow them to take control of any industry at all?
Good for you OP. I was a Bernie volunteer in 16 and voted for him in the general as well... I supported Andrew Yang this time around and up until about 2/3 weeks ago I was planning on voting 3rd party or maybe for Yang again, not anymore tho... The Social Justice Ideologues have completely gone insane and they have seized far more power and control than is healthy for our country... I've literally never voted Republican in my life and in addition to Trump I'll probably be voting for McSally this November too.
I voted for Bernie too. Trump 2020 baby.
There is no “capitalist class”. There are only makers (contributors) and takers (leaches). Takers can be your stereotypical welfare recipient, corrupt politician or a corporate crony.
Welcome to the team man, we're glad to have you. A couple things.
First, you're WAY more in line with us here than you were with them there. I'm always amazed by the number of people who line up with us on what I feel at 99 Very Important Points, but are with them on One or Two Minor Points (which ironically would solve themselves if the 99 VIPs were sorted out,) so they vote Blue and accidentally perpetuate that which they admit is a problem.
Second, there actually IS Systemic Racism holding Black People down in every location where these riots are occurring; which are places where the Democrats have been in charge for literal decades, some times up to a CENTURY. If the Left IS the System in these places, and the people say there's Systemic Racism, how do they not notice that connection? Because the Left loves ignorant people, as they're so much easier to rule over. If I wanted to ensure my eternal authority in a system that used democratic elections, I would create a system that perpetually gave people just enough to survive, which would give them the image that I am trying to help them, but that act of giving would take from the very level of self-sufficiency that would allow them to get out of the system, widening the gap between them and freedom from my scam. We would have the Welfare Trap where working harder and making more money would actually result in someone having LESS to feed their children and keep a roof over their heads. Which is what we have now. Incentives to be a single mother and keep having kids, instead of getting married and building for the future, would ensure generations of virtual Vote-Slaves.
Anecdotal Evidence isn't a true meterstick for these things, but I was hired for a job at Walmart alongside a young Black Woman who was trying to build a life for her baby, having been left by the child's irresponsible piece of shit father. However, as she told me, she would not qualify for housing assistance unless she worked Two Jobs. One FULL TIME Job where she had more stability and made more money was not good enough. So she had a choice; continue at Walmart and find a friend she trusted to live with or be homeless, or leave Walmart and get two OTHER jobs that pay less and have fewer benefits and opportunities. (Every other job in town Walmart considers a Competitor, as there are only major grocery stores and a Target,) She went for the other two jobs, as having a baby and being homeless was simply not an option. Again, this is just one story, but I hope it illustrates the sinister trap that the Welfare System currently IS, regardless of the intentions of those who built and maintain it (I believe it was made this way intentionally, but will allow for the possibility that Compassion and Stupidity collided at high speeds.)
And third, and most importantly, I hope you realize now that everyone on the left is just a huge fucking Scam. The Democrat Party throws out all these different guys who supposedly have different principles and goals and all, but then when the Party (not the people) decide who their candidate is, all these different people immediately lock step and echo the Chosen One. They have no outsiders, just different bait on a different hook, leading to the same Socialist Boat.
So long as you realize what this entails. It entails functionally abolishing women's rights, and deporting 20-25 million people. Doubling the workforce by adding women is the primary cause of wage stagnation in the last six decades. And immigration has only added to these woes.
I am against globalism, pro-wall, and anti-immigration. I think third-wave feminism has brought nothing but social ills.
Bring it on.
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't say it to try and discourage you, or to shit test you or any of that nonsense.
But a lot of people, particularly among the former Bernouts, aren't so much proper right wing nationalists as they are disaffected with the left. You appear to be the other variety, to your credit.
Do you acknowledge that Bernie is a socialist/communist and do you agree or disagree that socialism doesn't work in the US? Do you believe Bernie was a pawn for the DNC just to help them raise cash they desperately need and he was never a serious contender in his own mind?
Bernie is what would be called a "Social Democrat" in Europe. The closest we've ever come to that in the US would have been FDR—no one called him a communist.
That's not true.
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/presidents-fdr-denies-communist-agenda-video
Well, how about, "no one today would call him a communist."
I would. I do. "Racist" too, but that just ices the turDemocrat cake...
You're welcome in the milleu. Just know that forced sharing has no bottom limit to its coveteous well. "Left" is a shorthand for lockstep and collective and hive - for solidarity. In distinction, we'll be pushing you to well-measured liberty; if ya wanna (it's what all the free kids are doing!)
Which is hilarious. You'll find a ton of 2016 Bernie voters here who were redpilled by watching the DNC fuck him over.
Yup! Lots of former Bernie voters here.
I’m sorry that I missed the chance to welcome you but would like to extend an invitation to ask us questions too. We aren’t an Exclusive echo chamber here and I’d say most of us encourage an exchange of ideas.
I also leaned Bernie long, long ago. But then I realized things that sound good on paper don’t always work out in the real world.
Fan of William Gibson?
Absolutely!
MAGA comes in all shapes and sizes.
was Count Zero your favorite of his books?
Yes, and Neuromancer of course, hah.
heh. of course. btw, he wrote neuromancer on a typewriter, ironic.
Don't let anyone shame you away from stating facts.. tell everyone reality... use your free speech and try to get people who will listen to follow reality too.
Could you please expand on this ?
Sure.
I am in-favor of increasing taxes on the wealthy, perhaps not back to level of the FDR era, but certainly making them pay more of their fair-share than they are now. The rich make the majority of their money on capital gains, something that is taxed LESS than what most people in the middle-class are paying.
I am favor of social programs that benefit the middle-class. Increased funding for education, daycares, etc. Let's use the money from properly taxing capital gains etc to fund these things!
I would rather see nationalization of certain utilities (e.g. broadband infrastructure) than exploitative monopolies at the hands of groups like comcast. I am pro-union and also in favor of worker co-ops (i.e. true democracy in the workplace) rather than the more prevalent arrangement.
I too used to buy into the whole idea that the rich weren't paying their fair share, but then I looked at the numbers for myself.
For starters, 44% of the country doesn't pay anything in tax, and who knows how many get refunds (which I'll never quite understand, I mean how can you earn 0 and pay 0 in federal tax, yet because you've got some kids you get a refund?).
The more you make, the more effective tax rate you pay.
Yes, they do have resources that allows them to limit their tax burden, but guess what, that's what we should all be doing - not handing over our money to the government so they can mismanage it. I don't know about you, but I take advantage of every possible deduction.
https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2018-update/
Once upon a time (circa Ron Paul days), I was in favor of the FAIR tax, what's your opinion on that?
Anyway, I gradually shifted to the left's narrative on this one. I'll have a read of your link and if I think it credibility refutes my views, I'll reconsider.
To be honest I don't know enough about the FAIR tax to have much of an opinion, however a quick search appears as though it eliminates all other taxes except sales tax. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
I guess it depends on what you think about taxes in general I suppose. The libertarian in me knows that tax is theft, however the liberal in me understands that services must be provided.
Thing is, most of those services provided are at the state level (at least for most citizens), and it would probably make most sense to keep that bulk of tax revenue local (as apposed to sending it to the IRS so they can divvy it up, and send portions back to the states. Here its use could be held more accountable.
I just wish it were actually fair. Those who benefit from the services provided most, should pay most. This of course would apply to business owners requiring the use of our roads and bridges, police that keep them safe, etc.
The more kids you have, the more tax you pay. The more cars you own/drive, the more tax you should pay. The relative cost of your property should impact how much tax you pay. Interstate travel should cost based on usage.
Idealistic, I know, but what we have now makes my blood boil when I think about it.
When I earn wages, the IRS takes a slice. When I spend money, I pay sales tax. When I buy a car, they tax it when I buy it, and every year I use it, plus the fuel I use to run in. I gotta pay property tax on my home, just to own it. Like it's my house, I already pay for it. Tax the bank for my payments if you want, but damn.
We pay tax for way too many things as it is, and if the gov could come up with a different way to tax us, you can bet your ass they'd do it.
We don't have a tax problem. We have a spending, theft, fraud, and mismanagement problem.
The FAIR tax is a consumption tax that, you're correct, completely eliminates our current tax code. What it does is increase the sales tax on goods well above what it is now, with the idea being that those who can afford to spend more on luxuries etc, naturally wind up paying more of their fair share of taxes. It does provide for a certain amount of tax "rebate" to those making under a certain amount of money so as to keep things manageable at the lowest rungs of society.
The big takeaway is that a consumption tax of this sort has a number of benefits, it removes problematic loopholes that are used by the wealthy to hide their income, and perhaps most importantly, it brings in tax revenue that we are currently losing to the black market. Drug dealers and criminal don't pay taxes on their income, but they do buy goods and services.
Yea I don't know about that. Seems like that it would disproportionately affect middle income and low income as the larger portion of our earnings goes right back into the economy.
Top earners aren't consuming the lions share of their earnings. What would stop them from buying those luxury items overseas? I guess the answer would be they'd try and tax it when you bring it into the country, but that could easily be abused. ("hey, it was a gift from my great aunt!")
There was a pretty high luxury tax imposed on high dollar items, like boats. I think one of the Bushs did it. Anyway, it wiped out the boating construction industry in New England and the wealthy started getting their boats from other countries. It cost thousands of jobs, harmed the local economies, and so on. Unintended consequences. What seemed like a good idea, wasn't. That tax was repealed after much damage.
Capital gains are taxed at a very high rate compared to income.
I will have a read of MMT as, I'll admit, that's the first time I've come across the term.
Do I think 29% is high enough? This country was at its greatest directly following WWII. I'm sure you know what the tax rate was then. Didn't seem to hurt, only to help things.
Did you think the champagne socialist who owns three houses and until he became a millionaire used to attack millionaihs and billionaihs (afterward millionaihs weren't the problem any more only billionaihs), paid an effective rate of 13% on a combined income of over $200,000 and told people that if they wanted to get rich they should write a successful book, was actually going to redistribute money from the rich and give it to the poor and thus make a utopia?
Have you ever read a history book? Do you actually have an understanding of why socialism fails by design, or do you think it's just some crazy coincidence that the greatest political and economic system ever developed always fails in much the same way but surely next time it'll work?
Yuck! A true commie ! Doesn't matter as long as you vote for Trump!
Could you please share your itemized objections to my fiscal views? It will help me understand your side of the narrative as well. That's how we make progress. Discourse.
Simple. I think I , and therefore everybody else , should be entitled ONLY TO THE THINGS that i work for or that I am GIVEN by either my parents or whoever I convince to do business with me.
I believe the children of the responsible shouldn't pay for the education of the irresponsible. I believe the children of the responsible shouldn't pay for the upbringing of the children of irresponsible. I believe there HAVE TO BE CONSEQUENCES for your actions.
I believe the current shitshow in many cities is exactly the result of lack of real consequences for the lack of responsibility of the parents.
True equality is like this. I can't beat Usain Bolt at running therefore if i compete with him. He SHOULD ALWAYS WIN. Therefore if life would be a running contest he should be rich and i should be poor. Fortunately life ain't a running contest .
That being said. those capital gains that you keep talking about ... are generated by the same mechanism ... LACK OF CONSEQUENCES ... Bailouts , and stimulus . But that is a long discussion . because everyone cheers when they see the numbers go up.
See, this is informative. I actually agree with you on a lot of what you said. Mostly the notion of responsibility to the responsible.
I hate the idea, for instance, that people on welfare are allowed to run around having yet MORE children, and are actually rewarded for doing so. That's not the way things should be, nor would they in my vision. Personally, I think women on welfare should be required to have IUD implants; and I think they should be kicked out of the program for failure to adhere to such measures.
That said, it's simply a fact, that the cost of education in this country has grown exponentially, while middle-classes wages have not kept pace with inflation. We are creating generations of debt-slaves who even if they do manage to graduate, are unable to contribute to the economy in any meaningful manner (e.g. buying a new car or house), because they're now shouldering with the massive weight of 50k in student loans etc.
I think it's great that the wealthy can provide education etc for their families. I also think that those without the financial means should not be in the business of popping out children that they can't afford. What I take issue with, however, is penalizing people who, through no fault of their own, were born into economic circumstances that are exceedingly unfavorable for their development into a productive citizen. Your views seem to endorse a sort of multi-generational karmic retribution (which leads to a caste system as in India). Why not let us set everyone on an equal playing field (or at least to a certain baseline where something like a college education is achievable outside a lifetime of debt), and let the individual's own merits determine their destiny?
Holly shit ... now that is 3rd reich level shit . Capitalism yes ... but i wouldn't go that far.
So here is what is actually happening ... some irresponsible (no wealth) guy and gal made a child ... that child instead of actually working the ladder up , saving money , and eventually sending his child to college ... thought that if he gets a loan ... he would be smart ... instead he IS JUST AS STUPID as before ... ONLY now ... AL THE children MUST PAY MORE ... because EVERY IDIOT IS GOING TO HIGHER EDUCATION . And now ... virtually everybody is licenced in something. THAT IS INFLATION OF DIPLOMAS ... virtually making your education worth less .
You are the guy that is small and frail and cries that he can't beat Bolt at running. YOU SHOULDN'T WIN ... YOU HAVE TO LOOSE.
Funny ... didn't you say you wanted the rich to finance your requests? I don't want to impose shit. The smart children will figure what to do ... and won't get into dept ... ESPECIALLY in fields that you can get a job even without a degree.
The ground is more than equal ... What the fuck is with this thinking that everyone who wishes should have a college degree ? Apart from a few fields there shouldn't even be a COLLEGE degree. There are plenty of good paying jobs out there that you don't need college. But you don't want them ... THAT'S EXACTLY why some of the rich were importing more and more foreigners .
Why not?
There is a lot to unpack with your fiscal views, so not going to address everything. Most of us are for smaller government because we believe the free market is much much more efficient. There are of course essential services such as the police and firefighters that shouldn't be privatized, but SpaceX's recent launch is just one example of good privatization. Another example would be school choice. Simply, more government programs mean higher taxpayer to government worker ratio, which can become unsustainable (we already arent). The govt debt is the number one problem we will face in the future if the left doesnt destroy us sooner.
Unions were helpful when they first started but now they just bully both employers and employees. It removes the right of the worker to negotiate his own salary to be more competitive. Also, while unions keep asking for raises, those raises mean nothing since they are one of the very drivers of inflation. Unions have become political too with many spending their mandatory dues on political candidates and lobbying despite some of their workers beliefs.
As for healthcare, research is incredibly expensive and one of the reasons the US drives 90% of medical innovations globally is the opportunity to profit on those innovations. Our quality of care would decrease substantially with increased wait times like in Canada or UK, and decreased medical research output.
Lastly, taxing the rich does nothing as they can just move their money to countries with less taxes who will gladly take them.
That would solve the problem in the short-term, but don't you think that would eventually just bring us right back full circle when those smaller companies begin to congeal into the big giants again? Cut out the middle-man, no half-measures etc.
Friedman thinks monopolies arent natural in a true free market and the result of govt intervention
https://youtu.be/tdLBzfFGFQU
Thanks for this, I'm learning new things here and I truly appreciate it. I am not married to my views; I'm a scientist in terms of my career, and I apply those principles to my life; that is to say, when and If new evidence refutes my view of the world, I will consider it and admit my mistake.
Edit: interesting to note that Friedman's solution isn't necessarily in line with Trumps economic protectionist policies.
My problem with this is that the government has proven over and over again to NOT know how to run things very well and their track record is really bad. As they are bureaucrats and not entrepreneurs, they don’t know how to build things. Easy to screw up when it’s other people’s money and you don’t care.
People with experience running businesses would do a much better job and actually get things DONE (like Trump is doing as President)
Until government agencies are filled with people like that, I would never be in favor of nationalizing anything.
I do agree with you though that corporate monopolies like Comcast are shitty and end up becoming as bloated as incapable as the government.
But I believe that the free market will correct this. Eventually people will get sick of Comcast and go to Netflix or Hulu or whatever and Comcast falls or shrinks. The free market always picks the winners and the cream rises to the top and customers win, providing the market isn’t interfered with.
Glad the Bernie Bros aren't all Obamabots! Welcome!
What made you think that if you voted for a communist grifter, the nuclear family would survive? Also welcome to the sane side.
Question why not vote for joe? Why trump.
I love trump always have.
I suppose you ignore the economic data on how the last 100 years is the greatest period of wealth production in human history in which collectively EVERY human, primarily in the west, got wealthier. The idea that it was only the “ruling class” is absolute Pavlovian-style Marxist programming designed to make someone blame someone else for their lack of station and agency, which again, is completely contrived off of lies and false economic data.
Re: Thomas sowell and basic economics to know more. Just because you broke through the first layer of demoralization and information bombardment doesn’t mean you are done.
“A dangerous ambition lurks behind those with a specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people, than for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will show that the former, rather than the latter, is the surest road to despotism.”
why did you think it was ok for working class people to pay for college degrees?
Wow, that is not even close to an accurate depiction of what we wanted; that is, unless in your world view "working class" somehow magically includes people who make the majority of their income through capital gains and contribute nothing of worth to society other than gambling in the world's largest casino.
Lol, why do you think you deserve their capital gains? What did you contribute to them?
It comes down to what sort of society you want to live in. Do you want to live in a place where everyone is educated and thriving, or do you want to live somewhere that is riddled with crime and poverty?
The small percentage we planned to take from the ultra wealthy would not have adversely impacted them, but it would have unquestionably improved the lives of millions.
You can call me a commie for that if you want. I'd just call you callous.
You call over 90% a small percentage? You guys were lied to by a communist, read the fucking retarded manifesto, after each plank you think is so reasonable and amazing ask: what do we do with the people that disagree
Come back to me after you do
No one is talking about a 90%, go read the policies, the numbers are there. You're deluded if you think anyone actually was asking for that.
Why are you so willing to defend 1% of the population that couldn't give a damn about you?
We differ, clearly. I said that in my introduction. We agree on social issues, which is why I'm voting trump. I'm not going to justify the rest to you, because it doesn't matter to me if you agree or not. I just want to see this SJW bullshit shut down and I want to close the border. Let's work together on that.
You lie even now you commie pinko, you think you would get the money of the rich... What a fucking moron.. you can't get it now, but somehow if you tried to take more you would get it... I am not defending the 1%, it is called having principles you leftard, you just can't claim that someone's property isn't his because it is more than yours
Go hang with your Lefty freaks in the Chaz extorting businesses like they do... You deserve nothing but what you personally earn get that through your mushy Lefty skull