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posted ago by Count_Zero ago by Count_Zero +887 / -0

There's been a lot of talk on the left that anyone that voted for Bernie would surely never vote for Trump. I'm here to dispel that myth.

I am someone that is very much pro-working class and pro-nation. I am concerned with corporate cronyism and exploitation of the middle class by the capitalist class. I believe we should solve our problems at home before we go intervening in the problems of the rest of the world. I would like to see a return to the days when a middle-class nuclear family could survive and thrive on one income. I want to end the corruption in Washington. For these reasons, I put my more conservative social leanings to the side and chose Bernie.

To simplify things, you could say I am fiscally left-leaning while socially right-leaning. Turns out this position is far more popular in Europe, but I assure you, we do exist in the US. In fact, I would argue that Donald Trump embodies much of these views...he nearly had my vote in 2016 for the same reasons. Now, with the recent influx of BLM and Antifa chaos, I have officially had enough of the left. I like that Trump has refused to back-down with these assholes, and I hope to see more of that. I want to know that if re-elected, Trump will put all of these fuckers back in their place. I want to know that I won't have to live in fear of losing my job because I have an actual understanding of statistics and refuse to subscribe to the narrative that "systemic racism" is the reason black people just can't get ahead (despite having EVERY opportunity handed to them in this country).

Most of all, I want to know that we truly can Make America Great Again (I won't say "Keep" because I don't think we're there yet). Tell me what I can do to help.

Edit: Okay everyone, I'm off for the evening.

I expected the occasional "commie" ribbing (though not the one guy that called me a nazi?), and that's fine. Most of you were welcoming enough and provided some interested sources of info for me to consider in light of my economic views. As I said lower in the thread, I am willing to consider evidence from all sides, and should new information come along that adequately refutes my beliefs, I will amend. For the moment, in these current times of insanity, we're on the same side where it counts.

We learn through discourse, and I'm glad many of you were willing to engage in such with me. Cheers.

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Eu-is-socialist 0 points ago +1 / -1

It's not that they don't have the right to have children, just that the government shouldn't be in the business of incentivizing those who already can't afford to have children to have them.

If they are paying just the food of the child then i don't see the incentive.

In my view, welfare should be a helping hand to get you to a place where you can become a more productive member of society...THEN you can consider having children. Not the other way around.

I'm sorry ... i confused you for a commie ... no actually you are a strange nazi relative . That sees the government as some human farm owner. That needs to find ways to maximize the productivity of it's farm. Like i said that is some 3rd reich level evil shit.

Humans have to be as productive as they want to be . If they can't they can't , if they don't want to they should get food and that is it. That doesn't mean i have to feel sorry for you or your child for being poor.

Welfare has nothing to do with children ... welfare is for people who can't compete . That's who should get welfare. You should get absolutely fucking nothing for making children.

Additionally, if you actually care about children, then you should know that children born in the low income ghettos correlates perfectly with crime. When we make birth control and abortion accessible in these areas, crime drops.

And mars has 0 crime. What a moronic statement. What is your point? Maybe we should all kill ourselves then there will be no crime at all. =))) Oh did you realise that if (don't do it ) you were to kill yourself , you would have reduced the chance of someone committing a crime ? Damn right ... the less you have to loose the bigger the payout of crime is.

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Count_Zero [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

I am not ashamed to say that I am in favor of a society that is directed toward maximizing the potential of the human condition, but I wholly disagree with your characterization of my views.

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Eu-is-socialist 0 points ago +1 / -1

By taking from the poor and the rich at the same time and giving to those that you see fit ? Those that go to college yet are STILL so stupid that they are unable to pay their student dept ? Maximizing the potential of the human condition my ass .

Why not let us set everyone on an equal playing field (or at least to a certain baseline where something like a college education is achievable outside a lifetime of debt), and let the individual's own merits determine their destiny?

And you have the nerve to bitch about equal playing field?

Disgusting.