They don't go in an out if using hollow points. That shit fragments and shreds those insides. FMJ can kill your back-splash. Very irresponsible to use FMJ when defending yourself.
Not as irresponsible as the person trying to murder you. I understand your point and I agree with you but if all I can grab are fmjs I’m defending with fmjs. Hollow points are 100% more responsible though.
I've always hunted with hollowpoints and Ive never had a round not pass through. I guess if you using some really underpowered rounds at a far distance it could happen but in 20 years Ive not experienced it.
I know a lot of heavily independent, Trump supporting guys who would never fuck around with the hunting/gaming/fishing commission.
Hunting outside of season or with an illegal to hunt with weapon can get your gun confiscated and a major fine and a multi year / lifetime hunting ban.
The rules are usually around wildlife protection and safety of others. For example, in most states you can’t hunt with 223 or 556 because it is too small a caliber to kill an animal or prevent it running away if hit, to die later of internal injury.
I actually don't think I've ever even bought soft points for any of my deer or hog rifles, and I've never heard of restrictions on hunting with hollow points, its nothing more than an expanding bullet. In 30-30 and 30-06 on whitetail I haven't had a round come apart even when passing through thick bone, they just fold out real nice and punch through everything. For hog I use ballistic tips in .270 with great results.
Strictly speaking, unless the person was absolutely determined to kill you and/or was under the influence, they're going to stop after being shot with either FMJ or a hollow point.
This is simply not true at all. Plenty of attacks occur where an attacker is shot multiple times, and they are still fighting or succeed in killing their target.
You need a physiological stop, not a mental one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_FwUfFhFHs
Check out this crazy story. This stuff happens. Its not even that rare. Pistol cals are really shitty at stopping threats actually.
two people get in a gun fight, both shot multiple times in vital areas. The guy that made the final kill, a cop, was shot in the face with a .45ACP, he finally killed the guy by doing close contact shots to the side of the head.
Actual data shows that psychological stops are fairly common. Out of the studied cases (around 1700 or so over 10 years), 36% of assailants gave up after being shot a single time, regardless of where they were shot or what they were shot with.
In these cases with ANTIFA and similar people, they aren't expecting people to pull a gun out and shoot them. In the case you linked, the man was clearly determined to kill the cop, which is a group of people I made obvious reference to in my previous post.
No one's suggesting that you try to go for a psychological stop first.
I know psychological stops are common. Didn't say they weren't. Doesn't change the fact someone can still kill you after they have been shot....even in the face. You want to physically incapacitate the threat as soon as possible. By not having incapacitation as the #1 goal you open yourself up to harm. Its wishful thinking to bank on a psychological stop and dangerous to yourself and anyone else you may be defending.
They don't go in an out if using hollow points. That shit fragments and shreds those insides. FMJ can kill your back-splash. Very irresponsible to use FMJ when defending yourself.
Not as irresponsible as the person trying to murder you. I understand your point and I agree with you but if all I can grab are fmjs I’m defending with fmjs. Hollow points are 100% more responsible though.
FMJ is actually the more appropriate choice in the smaller calibers like 32 ACP
It’s only clear gel testing but https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/pocket-pistol-caliber-gel-test-results/
I've always hunted with hollowpoints and Ive never had a round not pass through. I guess if you using some really underpowered rounds at a far distance it could happen but in 20 years Ive not experienced it.
Your state let’s you hunt with hollow points?
“State” “Lets” “You”
Maybe he just doesn’t ask permission
I know a lot of heavily independent, Trump supporting guys who would never fuck around with the hunting/gaming/fishing commission.
Hunting outside of season or with an illegal to hunt with weapon can get your gun confiscated and a major fine and a multi year / lifetime hunting ban.
The rules are usually around wildlife protection and safety of others. For example, in most states you can’t hunt with 223 or 556 because it is too small a caliber to kill an animal or prevent it running away if hit, to die later of internal injury.
Hunting with hollow points?
I actually don't think I've ever even bought soft points for any of my deer or hog rifles, and I've never heard of restrictions on hunting with hollow points, its nothing more than an expanding bullet. In 30-30 and 30-06 on whitetail I haven't had a round come apart even when passing through thick bone, they just fold out real nice and punch through everything. For hog I use ballistic tips in .270 with great results.
Strictly speaking, unless the person was absolutely determined to kill you and/or was under the influence, they're going to stop after being shot with either FMJ or a hollow point.
This is simply not true at all. Plenty of attacks occur where an attacker is shot multiple times, and they are still fighting or succeed in killing their target.
You need a physiological stop, not a mental one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_FwUfFhFHs Check out this crazy story. This stuff happens. Its not even that rare. Pistol cals are really shitty at stopping threats actually.
two people get in a gun fight, both shot multiple times in vital areas. The guy that made the final kill, a cop, was shot in the face with a .45ACP, he finally killed the guy by doing close contact shots to the side of the head.
Definitely give it a listen.
Pistols suck at stopping threats.
Actual data shows that psychological stops are fairly common. Out of the studied cases (around 1700 or so over 10 years), 36% of assailants gave up after being shot a single time, regardless of where they were shot or what they were shot with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nycYxb-zNwc
In these cases with ANTIFA and similar people, they aren't expecting people to pull a gun out and shoot them. In the case you linked, the man was clearly determined to kill the cop, which is a group of people I made obvious reference to in my previous post.
No one's suggesting that you try to go for a psychological stop first.
I know psychological stops are common. Didn't say they weren't. Doesn't change the fact someone can still kill you after they have been shot....even in the face. You want to physically incapacitate the threat as soon as possible. By not having incapacitation as the #1 goal you open yourself up to harm. Its wishful thinking to bank on a psychological stop and dangerous to yourself and anyone else you may be defending.