Agreed. Self defense needs to make a yuge comeback in our society. None of this nannying bullshit on how you get to defend your life and property. A well armed society is a polite society.
Yeah that's fair, I was interpreting "property," as "my home," in which case, the last one, in a legal sense, is worded in a way that you could legally defend your home under the justification that the person was "likely to use unlawful force," while "committing a felony against someone in their home," -- the wording removes the necessity of having to be fearful for your life (as "unlawful force," isn't clearly defined and fairly ambiguous, and they're committing a felony against you in pretty much any reasonable circumstance you'd use your firearm against someone in defending your home) -- but even still, at least here, it's pretty widely known that "I was in fear for my life," are the magic words, and if someone is in your home/on your property or trying to get in, you can claim "self-defense," or "fearing for my life," in pretty much any circumstance in which you'd reasonably use a firearm against someone
edit: I should also add, the "if a person is likely to use unlawful force while committing a burglary," covers pretty much every other instance in regard to defending property -- a lot have argued the laws here are actually too loose, as people can essentially "get away with murder," because all there really needs to be as justification is a "perceived threat."
Another edit - I actually have a friend/former co-worker who killed a kid here in self-defense. He is actually in prison now, but they couldn't get him for killing the kid. It was essentially a small drug deal gone wrong. A kid from out of state (where they have incredibly strict gun laws, but incredibly lax pot laws... opposite of here) came up here to meet my friend. He brought a couple other friends with him. They had staged to rob him (my friend was trying to buy pot off the kid), and my friend was armed. Long story short, he was being strangled from behind (in a car), and his "friend" was in the front passenger seat punching him in the face. He managed to get his firearm out and shoot the kid, get out of the car, run away, and turn himself in.
He was initially let off on self-defense easily. The kids family was super wealthy and wasn't having it. They managed to get the case reopened, and he was put away on some bullshit drug offense, getting the maximum (7 years) on a felony possession charge (despite not having anything on him but the cash they were trying to steal from him). It's a really sad situation, for both parties. I don't know the kid who was killed, but he probably didn't deserve to die (even with beating the shit out of my friend and trying to rob him), and my friend is a good dude who definitely doesn't deserve to be in prison, even if he killed someone in self-defense, or tried to buy some pot
But you said burglar. That's different.
If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night your claim to self defense is that you were protecting your life, not your property. If you acknowledge that you were only afraid he was going to steal you're going to jail.
In Italy we had this fucking problem because people were shooting at burglars and left wing activist judges didn't recognize that they were defending their lives. Apparently according to SJW judges you had to have a knife in your chest before you could assume they were there to harm you.
It got so bad that the based government we had for a few months passed a law that forced judges to interpret any house invasion as a threat to the life of the occupants. That means now an Italian home owner can scream "mamma mia!" and blast the intruder.
So you really must understand how things work in your area.
Agreed. Self defense needs to make a yuge comeback in our society. None of this nannying bullshit on how you get to defend your life and property. A well armed society is a polite society.
Reminder to avoid pedes getting into trouble: lethal force is never justified to defend property.
(A theoretical exception only in Texas but there's so many tests that it practically doesn't exist)
Where I'm at, stand your ground/castle doctrine laws are pretty solid, and you can defend life and property in pretty much all expected scenarios:
That looks good, but what I said still stands. You can't use deadly force to defend property.
What you quoted means that if someone breaks into your house it's treated as a potential threat to your life, like I discussed in my other response.
But if you're in your house and someone is stealing your car outside, you can't go out shooting.
You can, however, go out to confront them and if they attack you then shoot (which is where stand your ground saves your ass)
Yeah that's fair, I was interpreting "property," as "my home," in which case, the last one, in a legal sense, is worded in a way that you could legally defend your home under the justification that the person was "likely to use unlawful force," while "committing a felony against someone in their home," -- the wording removes the necessity of having to be fearful for your life (as "unlawful force," isn't clearly defined and fairly ambiguous, and they're committing a felony against you in pretty much any reasonable circumstance you'd use your firearm against someone in defending your home) -- but even still, at least here, it's pretty widely known that "I was in fear for my life," are the magic words, and if someone is in your home/on your property or trying to get in, you can claim "self-defense," or "fearing for my life," in pretty much any circumstance in which you'd reasonably use a firearm against someone
edit: I should also add, the "if a person is likely to use unlawful force while committing a burglary," covers pretty much every other instance in regard to defending property -- a lot have argued the laws here are actually too loose, as people can essentially "get away with murder," because all there really needs to be as justification is a "perceived threat."
Another edit - I actually have a friend/former co-worker who killed a kid here in self-defense. He is actually in prison now, but they couldn't get him for killing the kid. It was essentially a small drug deal gone wrong. A kid from out of state (where they have incredibly strict gun laws, but incredibly lax pot laws... opposite of here) came up here to meet my friend. He brought a couple other friends with him. They had staged to rob him (my friend was trying to buy pot off the kid), and my friend was armed. Long story short, he was being strangled from behind (in a car), and his "friend" was in the front passenger seat punching him in the face. He managed to get his firearm out and shoot the kid, get out of the car, run away, and turn himself in.
He was initially let off on self-defense easily. The kids family was super wealthy and wasn't having it. They managed to get the case reopened, and he was put away on some bullshit drug offense, getting the maximum (7 years) on a felony possession charge (despite not having anything on him but the cash they were trying to steal from him). It's a really sad situation, for both parties. I don't know the kid who was killed, but he probably didn't deserve to die (even with beating the shit out of my friend and trying to rob him), and my friend is a good dude who definitely doesn't deserve to be in prison, even if he killed someone in self-defense, or tried to buy some pot
Can you shoot the burglar in the leg?
Oh no, shooting in the leg is still deadly force.
But you said burglar. That's different. If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night your claim to self defense is that you were protecting your life, not your property. If you acknowledge that you were only afraid he was going to steal you're going to jail.
In Italy we had this fucking problem because people were shooting at burglars and left wing activist judges didn't recognize that they were defending their lives. Apparently according to SJW judges you had to have a knife in your chest before you could assume they were there to harm you.
It got so bad that the based government we had for a few months passed a law that forced judges to interpret any house invasion as a threat to the life of the occupants. That means now an Italian home owner can scream "mamma mia!" and blast the intruder.
So you really must understand how things work in your area.